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    Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 199 Registered: 08-2007 |
JPM, Sorry, but I can see no imaginable Way through which you could have spiritually descended from JHWH Pelegon, since all of the highly evolved Lyrans who were once upon Earth left this Planet for their Homeworlds thousands of Years ago. Those lyran Spirit Forms remaining upon Earth belong to the Orders of 1) the 144,207 (=666) Criminals who bred with the Sons and Daughters of Earthen Men, 2) those very few Teachers who are here with a Mission and demonstrate tremendous Superiority to others in Conduct upon Consciousness, and 3) those Lyrans who are of a lesser Evolutionary Step and cannot return to the lyran Homeworlds due to their deep Inferiority in Consciousness and EM Vibration to their Relatives. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2008 |
Matthew ,your avoidance of my questions answers it perfectly : you made it up . You have AGENDA written all over your postings . MISINFORMATION . The dissemination of wrong "facts" and concepts , disguised within the recognized material . Not brilliant , from the usual suspect . Matthew , read every book ever written and get back to me when you have finished . MC | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 430 Registered: 07-2004 |
Matthew, Why complicate your idea. Big fancy uncommon words are your undoing if someone has misunderstood your posted meaning. You may feel inclined to respond in that manner, but it's counter productive trying to impress the audience if they have misunderstood your original meaning. Your reply to Kaare serves no one. Clarification requires clarity. Sounds simple huh. You state: "but to restore true Religion" What's obviously awkward is, 'true Religion'. These two words together are an oxymoron. "Religions are not just the Mind-Control and Venom put in them by the Bafath, but are also the Living Organism of Culture and Belief that emerges naturally in different Appearances around the World" Religion doesn't emerge naturally. What you refer to here shouldn't be assigned to religion. The beliefs that emerge in isolated cultures can't be associated with religion that was formed through the Bafath. Beliefs in the context you attempt to articulate would seem to be more on the side of traditions, or lore. Relegeon, understood from this forum, IMO, would be to look back at the truths that were originally taught, and re-align the logic found there into Creational knowledge, discarding the alterations that formed beliefs and led mankind in its delusions. I guess you were saying this in some convoluted method. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 03-2003 |
D’eagle, I am not impressed. That is all just theoretical nonsense you spew out to try and impress your audience. You are swinging around with some fancy expressions, not in use in daily life, just to make it look you that you have more IQ than others here, and think people in that way will listen up. How about this : Get rid of all religions and sects and implement the true teaching of creation as given by by Billy Meier and the Plejarans. Have a good day Regards Kaare | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 01-2008 |
Kaare, You're demonstrating some real idiocy of late. I feel fit to inform you that were Matthew spending so many hours of his life wrapped up in study of language and the refinement of English, only to be able to use 'fancy', archaic, or otherwise uncommon words in an effort to appear special, smart, or to gain an audience (when, let's be frank, Matthew's genuine audience actually excludes most of the people on this forum) -- all of his time and study would amount to nothing but a huge waste. As it is, the only thing he's really trying to do is a service to all English-speaking people everywhere, and especially, ultimately, to Billy's cause. As Billy himself states, modern English has become so bastardized that it is no longer capable of conveying the entire meaning of the German originals, thus they must accompany all translations. Only through refining the language could we hope to reach a point where English is capable of matching the German meanings. Beyond that, however, there are so many culturally-influenced dialects of English on this planet that those who speak just one can't communicate effectively with those who speak another. Face it, most whites in the US can't even understand the dialect of the majority of blacks who live in the states. There are differences in how the language is used in the South, to the East Coast, the Midwest, the West Coast -- then we have the English speaking populations of Britain, the UK, Australia, India, etc. Already it is the case that unless one studies the culture of the place in addition to the language, they have no hope of understanding the colloquialisms and slang of the region, and so very little hope of communicating effectively. An eraser in the states is an eraser. In the UK it's a rubber, but a rubber in the states is a condom. So it's really quite a service Matthew is performing, although obviously unpopular at this point in time. People seem quite reticent to admit that the language they speak could ever have possibly degenerated, as though that is some direct reflection upon their individual character. Indeed, in the US especially, one encounters among the vast, vast majority of people such a thorough laziness that they never bother to learn their mother-tongue correctly, let alone a foreign language -- so we can hardly expect that, even if such a language were handed to them tomorrow, the majority of people would ever bother to learn even a High version of English. - - To Michael: With regard to conjecture over who may or may not have been a past incarnation of Billy's spirit-form, it should be recognized that although it may not be important to Billy's immediate Mission for us to know these things -- if Billy were someone such as Eliphas Levi (or even Nostradamus) it would at least be useful knowledge for Billy's true and serious students because such men have left behind a great number of written documents which contain useful, even important and relevant, information they could study. - Gaia | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 01-2008 |
Markcampbell, Matthew answered your question, he just didn't spell it out to you. If you wish to know these things, then study them. In addition to the fact you missed his obvious answer, your accusations that he has some kind of an 'agenda' or is deliberately spreading misinformation further indicate your stupidity. You're final comment is so ludicrous it is simply icing on the cake. Peace, - Gaia | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1571 Registered: 12-1999 |
Let us get back to the topic! | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 03-2003 |
Gaiawingz, Re my real idiocy of late as you term it. There are many ways to look at the translation issue : I see it this way: It is most important that the information reach out to everybody. For the information to reach out to everybody, the English has to be written in a way and form that people use and speak in Daily life. Meaning phrases has to be used that people can easy visualize in their mind. Because People are just not going to sit with a English dictionary and check the meaning of every fifth word they are reading. I am strongly for the “And still they fly” type of English. That is a book that in my opinion is excellently translated. Easy to read, even for new beginners.. I realize that with material in books like OM and Kelch der Wahrheit, word and phrases will have to be more advanced, but also here every attempt has to be made to make them readable. One have to remember that Billy and all his contacts from the Plejaran federation has done and enormous job to bring this massive amount of material together over several decades. And have not done so to satisfy a tiny segment of Earth humankind, but ultimately the whole of Earth humankind, and translation should be viewed on this basis. I am a realist and understand this takes time. Houndred of years. But at this point in time the fundament is laid and the material prepared . As with the books , so too should the English be written in this forum – for everybody. Keep in mind also, there are people on this forum that not even live in an English speaking country who try to decipher and catch the meaning of what people write here Regards Kaare | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 10-2008 |
Gaia , are you his agent ? I think you are one in the same person , which indicates an agenda . For one thing , anyone who uses the rarest form of words consistently , is not communicating , he is condescending . Instead of passing me off as some kind of fledgeling , you will have to contend with me , if they will post my messages . I acknowledge other gaping holes, weaknesses in his game , which I will leave unmentioned for the time being , because they tell a story to anyone who notices them . As for studying Matthew's messages , what , are you crazy ? I have no time for either of your personalities . COMMENT DELETED Mark, Please dont resort to personal attacks, voicing an opinion should be enough to get a point across. No more posts will be approved related to this issue, this forum is about Billy, everyone had a chance to voice his opinion so lets move on and let the readers make up their own mind. Badr - Moderator | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 10-2008 |
Dear Gaia and all, the following is not in response to the present discussion of this thread, but it is realted to relgion so I assume this is the right board for it. I fear that some of us are suffering from a blight in our logic that shall result in a longterm barrier to further enlightenment if it is not brought into the open light of understanding. I realize that much, if not all, of the world's historical and present day affliction arises from its relationship with religion and the darkness that ignorance of truth brings to the spirit. But I see that some of us here are still being buried in that darkness even as they struggle to climb free of it. They see religion as being such a blight that they now see it in every aspect of human thought and every revelation of truth, so much so that they are turning their eyes away from the light when it appears as though the brightness hurts their unadjusted eyes. The religion that the prophet has warned the world about is not the religion of truth my friends, it is the religion of darkness. Do not turn away from the religion of truth because you want to deem it with the definition of religion because it sounds familiar to or appeares to resemble what you define religion to be. that is simply crawling back into the darkness with it. What is the sense in crawling out of the hole of religious darkness, simply to crawl over the lip into another hole of darkness. The prophet brings us the truth, and speaks in the same manner as he did thousands of years ago, because the truth he brings has not changed and remains the same eternally. That truth has been manipulated and corrupted by the world and we call it religion. And yet when the truth comes to us again years later, by the same prophet, we refuse to hear it because it has the familiar ring of religion to it. we must try very hard not to allow this to happen. we are not condemning the familiarity aspect of religion or anything that sounds like religion, we are condemning the corruption and misinterpretation of it. we are not here to condemn Billy for using terminology that sounds much like the terminology used by those religious false teachers. Of course it sounds familiar. They are using his teachings and corrupting them to meet their agendas. we are here to sort the truth from them and bring the words of the prophet out of their twisted versions. to shine light on the darkness that has prevailed because of their effort to cover over the truth. If you shy away from that light because it is bright, and if you lean away from the sound of it because it sounds like religion of old, and you miss the truth that is revealed, than you are as much in the dark with your back turned away from it as you are with your face toward it. an ostrich with its head burried in the sand believing that no one else can see it. let us not be afraid to hear the truth because we are trying to avoid its religious sounding undertones. religion began with the truth of the prophets' words, and it will sound religious as long as those words are spoken in the same ways. Let us be brave and profess those truths the way they were meant to be professed and put to rest the corruption of religion. let's not make the task more difficult by refusing to speak the words because they may sound religious. That refusal to speak out is every bit as ignorance of the truth as if you were teaching falsely. Without countering the falsehood with its true version, the falshood remains. Will you let it remain just because you do not want to sound religious in your teaching? I have said that "I am Creation", and some are dismayed by that statement and cry out aboput its religious undertones. And in doing so they do not see the truth. they let their fear of religion blind them to a truth that comes out from it. hear what Semjase says on the matter: "A human full of creative-spiritual wisdom, full of knowledge, truth, love and cognition, knows that from the truth everything originated, originates and will originate for all eternity. Therefore, he identifies himself with each and everything. In his spiritual consciousness, he will always be-in his innermost part-one with each and everything. In his interior, in his spiritual consciousness, he will identify himself with everything in the universe...He has just become one with the essence in everything...The human is one with everything within Creation, in truth, wisdom and love, in the kingdom of the spirit....A human full of creative-spiritual wisdom, full of knowledge, truth, love and cognition, knows that from the truth everything originated, originates and will originate for all eternity. Therefore, he identifies himself with each and everything.." UNQUOTE Much of this sounds very much like the religious teaching of being one with god and being created in his image. it scares those who have a fear of religion into deliberately not wanting to hear and understand these words. It disables them from being able to know the power of their spirit. But semjases words are the same as the Prophets, that we are one with Creation and should identify ourselves in this manner. Within every human spirit is the entire power of creation and the enlightened human will learn this and learn to call on that power as he evolves. Again semjase sates that: "The human is enlightened and fully freed only if he-in his thoughts-incessantly and constantly dwells in the endless creative-spiritual reality. The spiritual intelligence is enlightened by lawful spiritual principles, and directed towards the creative being, the perfection and the power of what is creative itself. This in contrast to the human intelligence, because the human consciousness generally only deals with single things of the material world. As a consequence, the human is restricted and handicapped in every direction;" UNQUOTE Let us not be blinded to spiritual principles and truths because we will not look at anything that we deem to be religious by our definitions of religion. Let us instead divide the truth from false religion and true teaching. why handicap oursleves? Semjase says: "The way of experiencing the spirit will be accelerated through the unfolding of conscious searching and the gathering of true knowledge, and this unfolding leads to the true and all-encompassing, cosmic wisdom and love, based on the cognition that Creation is present within everything...The human is one with everything within Creation.."UNQUOTE When I say that I am Creation and when i claim that I am one with creation, do not cry our religious intolerance and refuase to see the truth in those staements. But take those words and apply what you are being shown in the words of the Prophet and the Plejaren and see if they are also spoken by them. You can check their writings to find these passages that I am clipping in here, or you can say to yourself,' this looks like the quotations of bible students and I will not take part in it'. Everything that is included in the universe is included within me! When some people hear you say things like this they immediately put up a wall to its truth anbd try to convince you that you are being religious or that you are taking the teachuing too literally. And yet semjase teaches : "That's why the terrestrial philosophers of old spoke about the human as a microcosm within a macrocosm because everything that is included within the universe is included within the human. The inner dimensions of the human are endless. The image of Creation, the spirit within him-the existence that is without dimension-it bears all dimensions within itself and, at the same time, transcends all dimensions." UNQUOTE If you are going to be afraid to take these teachings and learn from them because you have such a desire to rebel against religion, than why have you come here seeking after truth in the first place? The Plejarens bring you truth and you shy away from it whenever it sounds religious. from where your head is buried in the sand you are not going to learn much here my friends, because the Plejaren teach us to open our eyes and our minds to the incomprehensible truths of creation. That just might require a shaking off of the sand. let's not battle corrupt religious teaching by calling everything religious, but instead lets battle false religion by wringing the lies out of it. Edward "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hello Pathfinder and All, Edward in response to your most recent post, did you notice Semjase referring to how a Human is this and a human knows that? I recently read about the time in our future near the time that we will be visited face to face by ET's, and there was a description of the Journey we are on spiritually leading up to that time that we can all look forward to with hope and encouragement it was worded like this, and I am writing in recall, "and then men will begin to become truly Human". In the past I think that the word Human has been used as easy as the word love but when put into the context of all the Human's within our Galaxy the measure of definition takes on a new meaning for us as we now have to compare ourselves to the most advanced beings. Many times the things that we try to stamp out and focus on as bad become the center piece and keeps getting noticed more that the truth that will ultimately prevail over time but gets pushed aside. You all here have nothing to fear from religion as far as yourself and your evolution are concerned. Once you know the truth as you certainly do ,you could no more fall for their mind dumbing idiocy and deception than could the Plejaren. I believe Billy was lead to study all the religions for the purpose of knowledge. Life itself is founded on positive and negative, good and bad, truth or lies. Every minute of our day, every thought and notion has to be weighed and measured to see of what quality or meaning that any truth or lie has or doesn't have. I speak from personal knowledge with regard to the christian type of religion and yes at first when you are brand new to the Meier material it is very difficult to tolerate the cultic message when you are exposed to it, but as the true humans that we strive to become we do not walk in fear of it, but with wisdom and discretion as to who is seeking truth and who isn't. Personal responsibility requires us to work on ourselves and evaluate the source of our fear in light of the truth and own our current condition, whatever that is, in order to better it. Peace to You, Matthew | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 10-2008 |
Tis true redbeard, As humans us terrans have allowed religion to mould our civiliations and philosophies in such a way that we are very different from humans throughout the universes. I would dare say that to be human certainly would not pertain to our present depiction of what a human is. What you say is well spoken. religion is not what we need to fear but the corruption of it and the reason for that corruption. And the fact that we humans are so easily misled in the first place. religion should be defined more in terms of today and originally. Today we know it is a deceit and corrupted message, but when it was brought to us first it was simply a message of truth. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 01-2008 |
Pathfinder; Since you're continuing to miss the point of my posts, this is it for a while: being one with Creation is not the same as being Creation. Equating a human being (any human being) with Creation is Satanic, not religious. Modern Christianity, therefore, adheres to Satanic philosophies, at least in this regard. As to some of your other commentary: yes, the body is a physical/material, fleeting thing and when it has long since been left to rot and return to the Earth, the spirit which has enlivened it will still be in existence. However, at this current stage of evolution, without the body the spirit cannot accomplish anything in the way of furthering its evolution. The body is more than just a cardboard box or an empty husk, it is the very vessel by which the spirit-form incarnates, lives, gleans knowledge, etc. Peace, - Gaia | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 10-2008 |
Why would you say that being one with creation is not the same as being creation? why do you need to even speak of this? Why do you feel a need to tell me this? maybe if you can tell me what is wrong with what I have said then I could understand your rebuke. I equate the human being with creation in the same that the prophet and the Plejaren have done so. Did you read my quotes? why don't you tell me how semjase is wrong in her equating the human being with creation? That would be more constructive then telling me how satanic I am being without any note of particulars. By the tone of your post and your constant reference to satan you sound more religious than you say I do. I will acknowledge that the spirit at our level of evolution requires the body to accomplish its task of evolving, I have never said it didn't, but you are the one who said that the body is as important as the spirit, a comment you made in response to posts I made saying how we should at all times be spiritual. Semjase is the one teaching that the body is not as important as the spirit, I am just reiterating her teachings. I am really not sure why you have a problem with any of the things you do, I only hear you saying I am wrong to say them. Somebody please take me aside if I am arguing with someone who has a problem with the Plejaren that I am not aware of. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 394 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** PathFinder, ["...some of us are suffering from a blight in our logic..."]. Friend Pathfinder Edward, You know that when You point Your Finger, You find Three pointing back at Yourself. Please Read and consider these short Quotes...: ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ [22. But always remember, the majority of your fellowmen are incapable of thinking and acting in a spiritual manner because they have never learned how to do that and they are still too much entangled in the web of purely human urges, wishes and hopes, among other things.] [34. those would-be contactees are implying that we are on a mission for God and the Christian religion; a malicious lie without a trace of truth.] -Semjase From: http:///www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_002 ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ From Ptaah: ["Billy..You alone made it possible to promulgate this subject matter worldwide and induce the controversy to the extent that not only religious and pseudo-esoteric sectarians, fanatics, gullible individuals, madmen, etc., preoccupy themselves with the subject."] (Emphasis added). From: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_001 ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ["Today mankind stands at a threshold where a clear mind and common sense is especially needed and necessary. It also raises the question with regard to terrorism which absolutely cannot be tolerated in any way and, in fact, it makes no difference whether terror is carried out by organized groups or in acts of revenge by states. Therefore man must think about ethical and moral values and decide how he wants to live and shape his future. Religion has lost its power to a large extent because the reality of world events today reveals a totally different picture than the church and its sweet talk would have us believe regarding love, peace and freedom. In actuality, it cannot be that belief is a means to heal anything and everything in this world and brings love, peace and freedom when people who believe fervently in religion become insanely addicted to destroy, call for "holy" wars or in hateful, revengeful and retaliatory actions, make war and kill innocent people in vast numbers, destroying their land and possessions. Love, peace and freedom are not inherent values in the human being to be used for killing and murdering each other or to follow the false pronouncement: "If you don't want to be my brother, I'll bash your head in." And all of this can happen just because one, single, insane person—a human being without reason, mind and responsibility—craves to satisfy his power or operates with confused political or erroneous religious thoughts, feelings, and desires, etc."] -Billy From: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_038 ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ["Religion is only a primitive machination by Man to command, suppress and exploit others, to which only life forms that are weak in their consciousness succumb." ["When Man indulges in his religions, i.e. malevolent, erroneous doctrines, his consciousness wastes away more and more and ultimately leads to a bottomless abyss."] -Billy ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ Then go on into these Contacts and Bulletins more thoroughly. After Absorbing and Understanding as MUCH of what is taught on the Corrupting Influences from ALL religions, THEN begin to apply some Logical Thinking of Your own. As Redbeard has well Expressed: ["Personal responsibility requires us to work on ourselves and evaluate the source of our fear in light of the truth and own our current condition, whatever that is, in order to better it."] Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 267 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Ed you wrote: religion should be defined more in terms of today and originally. Today we know it is a deceit and corrupted message, but when it was brought to us first it was simply a message of truth. I don't have time in this post to go into detail or provide the link, which I will when I am able, however, what you are discussing here is really what Billy's teachings refer to as RELEGEON versus RELIGION. Understanding the difference and/or the meaning of these, makes it unnecessary to go to the lengths of discussion trying to 'fit' the teachings into a Religion. I will say though that 'Truth' and 'Religion' are not synonymous. This is clearly explained in the teachings, which you cannot as yet have had time to find let alone read. You may find experpts here and there but maybe a caution for you, not to try and fit the teachings of the spirit into the old model of Religion -- it just can't be done and I will explain later. Religion, in modern and ancient terms, is really referring to a belief in a Divine power that in some way has control of our destiny. There is a discussion of this in one of the texts I have, so will consult it and then post again. in peace Robjna | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 01-2008 |
Pathfinder; Do you really not get it? Semjase, Billy, the Plejaren in general -- NEVER equate ANY human being with Creation. Being one with Creation does not entail BEING Creation. I am one with humanity, but I am not humanity. All my blood cells are one with me, but take any single one of them and you do not have me -- only a tiny, tiny part. Do you get it now? Peace, - Gaia | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 10-2008 |
dear Jrod, i use the term US meaning humanity of which I am a part, hense the word us, meaning all of us. I am talking in terms of the race. You are making my point with your posts here. I assume that you then agree with me on this subject. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2008 |
It seems as though the teaching of the spirit will continue to be lost to some as long as they insist on defining religion in their own terms and refuse to accept any teaching that sounds religious to them. This is a problem that will slow down the evolution of the human race as a result. Arguing over what religion means to them will not enhance their spirits when they stop learning from truths that sound religious to them. It is about time that they stop squabbling over the definition of religion and start hearing the truth around it. Stop trying to make it sound as though I am promoting false religious teaching, as I have clearly showed this is not true. you do so while the evidence to the contrary is posted directly above your comments. I must assume that you are only reading certain portions of my posts. If you read the entire post you will see the truth, if you cut out sections to use to misquote me out of context, than you are doing exactly what religion has done to the Prophet's words. So than I would have to assume that you are being religious, by your own definitions. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hello Indi, as I continue to say, I am not trying to create a new form of religion. the people who are suggesting this are the ones who I am trying to reach out because I fear that because of their fear of religion they are missing the teachings of the Plejaren. THAT is the reason for this discussion and not any attempt at starting a new religion. I am aware of the problem iwth world religions and have clearly stated that in my posts. And I have never stated that turth and religion are synonymous. What has happened is that certain members see a religious aspect to my writing when I discuss the spiritual aspects and qute Semjase. They have said it sounds too religious to them and they end up getting nothing from the discussion. What I am saying is that these teachings have a religious sound to them simply because religion took the teachings in their root form whcih was truth, and then corrupted tem. So their corrupted form became world religion and the truth remains its eternal fact. However the two teachings are rooted in the same heralding and thus will sound alike, the actual truth having to be sorted out from them. Billy has also discussed that phenomena in one of his writings. This is not rocket science, but some still insist on labeling me as religious and calling me satanic if I say something like ' we are one with creation.' Let me extract a few cuts from the TJ and show you what I mean. "Blessed are those who are rich in spirit and recognize the truth, for life is theirs." TJ 5:3 Now if I was to say that myself in a statement talking about the need to be spiritual, some here would only see the words 'blessed are those' and they would balk at it as sounding religious and not even read the context. It sounds like something right out of the Bible and it should because what we know as the bible was created from writings like these. Does that mean that we should now disregard the TJ as being religion? If these people think I sound religious, what the heck do they think when they read the TJ? My guess is that they shy away from it for that reason. And when and if they do, than they miss out on great opportunities to evolve. I am trying to help some of those who I have seen reveal this tendency here. Billy has addressed it as well. I do not want to start a new religion, and I am not religious or satanic. However I will not refrain from teaching the need to be spiritual just because some people define everything that sounds like it comes from biblical time prophesying as religion because it certainly is not. The prophets of old carried the same truth and it sounds the same today because the truth does not change and has been carried by the same messenger. There seems to be a huge wall here that blocks this understanding though. here is what Jim deardorff has to say on the matter: "In the Talmud of Jmmanuel (TJ), Jmmanuel often talks about, and teaches of, the individual human spirit. This occurred in places that may be familiar to the reader who's aware of the Gospel of Matthew, since that gospel's writer usually did not alter the TJ's geographical context or its order of events, and only lightly edited its healing events. He only altered what was heretical for him and the early church, or was otherwise unacceptable to a Jewish scribe converted to Christianity in the early 2nd century. Most of Jmmanuel's teachings do fall in this category, however."UNQUOTE Jmmanuel gives us the message through his desciple, which was altered by false teachers. Today we have the same message through the same spirit speaking similarly as it did in the days the TJ were written, and some are wondering why it sounds religious? Yikes! we do have our hands full here do we not? Edward "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 10-2008 |
Gaia, and yet any of those tiny little cells you say are not you, can deveolp into you exactly as you are. i would say that those cells are you. i would also say that you were one of those cells the day you were created, you just have alot more of them now. Do YOU understand that? "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 10-2007 |
pathfinder, when they are ready, they will find the teachings on their own. Corey | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 397 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello All Just a little spice for the Soup, here. Pathfinder Edward, ["You are making my point with your posts here. I assume that you then agree with me on this subject."] You are Correct sir, I essentially DO find much Value in Your Perspective. However, as Robjna has expressed: ["...is really what Billy's teachings refer to as RELEGEON versus RELIGION. ["Understanding the difference and/or the meaning of these, makes it unnecessary to go to the lengths of discussion trying to 'fit' the teachings into a Religion. ["I will say though that 'Truth' and 'Religion' are not synonymous."] In Particular, We have much NEW WINE of the the Spirit, given for ALL the Human Beings on Earth. This is something New for all the People on Earth There is common Sense that this NEW WINE should NOT be Put into OLD BOTTLES. Nor should we drink ourselves silly with this new Wine. The Essence and Spirit of these NEW TEACHINGS must be savored, appreciated for the Clarity within. As You can Imagine, these metaphors could stretch on into the next page. I toss the Ball back to You. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 |
