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    Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1815 Registered: 07-2005 |
Thanks Andrew It partly answers my question but I'll keep searching. Cheers | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 807 Registered: 04-2013 |
Corey, Tat_tvam_asi (Bill), Regarding your assemblance of important information, specifically: == Parental – Foetus Relations / Mother Greatly Influences Basic Character Traits== While the embryo is in the mother’s womb - “it’s duration of life, its kind of death, also its knowledge, what it will occupy or preoccupy itself with, it’s character, it’s intelligence, and it’s mode of life” is predetermined (OM 32:07)” This was witnessed firsthand. When our first baby was in the womb, my wife and I would play various recordings of classical music to include Wolfgang Mozart; Pyotr Tchaikovsky; Ludwig Beethoven; Johannes Brahms and others. He was born a male; later on, Christopher treasured music and subsequently played beautiful classical compositions by way of the violin. Sincerely Kenneth | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 806 Registered: 07-2000 |
Dear all I would like to draw your attention regarding == The Gender Selection ==. The answer provided by Billy during a Q & A session mentioned some different information: July 02, 2006 Hi Billy Thanks for your answer in explaining the delayed activation of the chromosome inside of the embryo. I would like to ask which one is the major factor in determining the gender of a new born baby:- 1. the personality that enters the embryo or 2. the chromosome? To what extend in percentage will this major factor in control? Thanks Savio Answer As far as Billy knows the chromosomes are the determining factor. --- Hence, what would be the best answer for this issue? Salome Savio http://billybooks.org | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 727 Registered: 04-2011 |
Further Q&A details re. "Gender Selection" … On searching again through all the Q & A listed on MH web site: ---Savio’s Q&A of July 2, 2006 is not listed in MH’s Q & A - File ---But it lists another question (most likely from Savio, too) a few weeks later (22 July, 2006) which seems to re-enforces that genetics decide a gender: Question: Thanks for your answer that the chromosomes are the determining factor for the gender of a new born baby. Supposing, there is a person, before he dies, he has a strong will and every reason of becoming a man again in his next life. My question is: Is there any chance that this spirit will engage with an embryo with XX (female) chromosome? What would happen then? Answer: Contrary to knowledge, wish factors (Wunschfaktoren) are not (cannot be) transferred into a next life. After the end of one’s life the personality is dissolved before an entirely new one is built up. The gender is determined by genetics alone. ----------------------------------------------- So it appears more likely that the gender is determined by genetics. Still – it would be interesting to find out what influence the “new personality” has ... This may have been the reasoning behind a much later Q&A relating to “gender selection”: Question / April 26, 2015: Grüezi mittenand Billy and Christian, Could you please explain how the gender of a child is determined? I remember reading that it is formed when the consciousness block and the personality block are formed at the time the spirit form enters the fetus at 21 days gestation but earth science tells us that it is determined by the sperm from the male at conception by contributing either X or Y chromosome. Is this because we are speaking of more than one aspect when it comes to gender? Answer: Billy does not know when exactly the gender of a child is determined. It’s a process in the early development. However, the consciousness-block has no influence. ------------------------------------------------ How then should we understand the indicative statement re. “gender selection by personality” as per Q&A of June 25, 2005 ? Has it any significance or should we ignore it? Savio is right - we should clarify this question. Salome, Bill | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 728 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Savio, Below *) the Q & A that my summary is based on. It points to the fact that initially all embryos are female. But the production of a larger amount of the testosterone hormone may create a change from the female to the male. So perhaps a more "male" personality would produce more testosterones and thus create a male embryo? Salome, Bill -------------------------------------- *) Hello Billy, In your small brochure «Ein Wort zu Mann und Frau …» you write that «Basically speaking, we are to notice that firstly are all embryos of female type. A transformation to male ones – when it becomes male – follows first from the eight to tenth week of pregnancy, namely through development of larger amount of hormone, e.g. Testosteron.» «Grundlegend ist dabei beachten, dass erstlich alle Embryos weiblicher Natur sind. Eine Wandlung zum Männlichen – wenn es ein Junge wird – erfolgt erst während der achten bis zehnten Schwangerschaftswoche, und zwar duch die Entwicklung einer grösseren Menge Hormone, wie z.B. Testosteron.» Answer The gender is not determined immediately after impregnation, but by the personality that enters the embryo (together with the spirit form) on the 21st day of pregnancy. It is the new personality that has been created by the comprehensive consciousness block (Gesamtbewusstseinblock) that „steers/directs“ the developing embryo in order to remain a female body or to become a male body. This process is made possible by the spirit’s force/power. The spirit form is responsible for the necessary impulses for this process, but the spirit form itself does NOT decide about the gender. It’s the new personality and its aspects/goals/etc. that determine the gender of the developing baby/human being. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 856 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Savio, This query and the answers Billy gave always brought on a chuckle. The creation of a human-Being, from embryo to incarnation/reincarnation to fetus to final form, is a chain reaction based on the law of cause & effect. In other words, there are several components and their effects that bring about the final product (physical-form). (In allegory) The parents are responsible for the forming of the embryo. The power of the spiritform is the igniting spark and flame while the consciousness-block is the driving force ...all of which affect the chromosomes which are the determining factor of the final product (physical-form). This is how I have come to understand Billy's various answers. It is a chain-reaction of several factors. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 729 Registered: 04-2011 |
Add-on to previous mail: The mentioned Q & A is from June 28, 2005 – about a year before the Q&A that Savio stated. It seems to be indicative, expressing a fact. The answer given in July 2006 is more subjective (“as far as Billy knows …”). But then again the Q asked in July 2006 particularly asks what has a greater influence - the personality or the chromosomes? So it truly is a little confusing. It maybe best to ask CF/Billly to clarify what role the personality plays in determining the gender. Salome, Bill | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 730 Registered: 04-2011 |
Gender selection may well depend on both - the programming the "new personality" and genetics A possible explanation (my own thinking): The programming of the “new personality” may well mean to a) scan the OCB to find what the major deficiencies in past incarnations were that need to be corrected b) to develop a very individual “specific" personality = a specific swinging wave that is best suited for the spirit form's evolutionary path The resulting swinging wave is attached to the embryo on day 21. If it is a “more male” swinging wave it will attach to an embryo where the father’s sperm contributed a “Y” chromosome – if it is a “more female swinging wave” it will attach to an embryo where the father’s sperm contributed a “X” chromosome. Conclusion: When a spirit form re-incarnates it receives a "new personality" which is a rough outline of its evolutionary path in life. The envisaged "life-missions to complete" may determine the gender (as one or the other gender would be best suited to complete the envisaged tasks) Thus we may say that gender selection is a part of programming the “new personality”. But the thus determined swinging wave ("new personality") can only attach to an embryo whose genetics allow for either the male (XY-chromosomes) or female (XX chromosomes) gender. That is - a human’s gender selection would as well include the most fitting environment – esp. “parent” selection. Part of the "parent" selection would be to find a family environment that is most suited for the spirit forms evolution. But the other "conditio sine qua no" *) would be that the chromosome the male parent contributed befits the "newly programmed personality/swinging wave". Thus both - "the new personality" and the chromosomes the male contributed - would determine the gender. Salome, Bill *) a condition without which it (gender selection) could not be | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 857 Registered: 08-2010 |
The word "gender" may be the cause of some confusion. Especially its use in the questions to Billy. Which may explain some of the answers and the resulting 'confusions' that many experience. Gender is something defined by society and/or culture, so therefore not necessarily biologically. For example our sense of identity; our deeply held, internal sense of self as male, female, a blend of both or neither - who we internally know ourselves to be. Strictly speaking of the biological male/female form and how Creation creates the human being is one thing. Gender is another thing altogether. So perhaps it can be safely said that the reincarnation of the spiritform and the incarnation of the consciousness-block do not have a direct effect on the gender (per say), but rather the personality, the thinking, the developing character and society and social constructs, the psyche, emotions and the genes through swinging-waves... not to mention that projected by others. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Hoota_thunk Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 07-2017 |
Yeah but, Bill, only 2 posts back (728) you shared that "The gender is not determined immediately after impregnation, but by the personality that enters the embryo (together with the spirit form) on the 21st day of pregnancy. It is the new personality that has been created by the comprehensive consciousness block (Gesamtbewusstseinblock) that „steers/directs“ the developing embryo in order to remain a female body or to become a male body. This process is made possible by the spirit’s force/power. The spirit form is responsible for the necessary impulses for this process, but the spirit form itself does NOT decide about the gender. It’s the new personality and its aspects/goals/etc. that determine the gender of the developing baby/human being." So would it not be as simple as the personality determines the gender and the spirit-form provides the necessary power for the personality to steer/direct the genetics to stay female or to change into a male, regardless of chromosomes? Andrew Grimshaw - The Silent Revolution Of Truth - | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 807 Registered: 07-2000 |
Dear all Thanks for all your valuable responses  There is another issue to consider:- it is that our existing technology successfully allows choosing the gender of a baby by filtering only the desirable kind of sperms. That is to say that we can determine it is a baby boy or a baby girl by technology, hence it would be difficult for the incarnating personality to take any effect. It matches what Billy said that the chromosomes are the determining factor. Salome Savio http://billybooks.org | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 731 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Andrew, Yes, Billy said so. But he said in Savio's post (and later posts) that the chromosomes play a decisive part, too. So it would make sense to add genetics to the "personality driven" gender selection: That they may be both important - that is what post 730 wants to tell. Yes, the male chromosome joining the female chromosome - well this happens (normally) at impregnation. But this does not need to contradict a personality driven gender selection if it is a second condition "sine qua no": The point I make is, that the causal universal laws (not the spirit form), that select the "best parent" for a given "new personality", are not only aware what gender befits the "new personality" - they take this knowledge into account when selecting the most fitting parent. Thus, it would select "the most fitting parent" only among those parents whose chromosome-pairs match the gender selection that corresponds with the impulses (male/female swinging waves) coming from the "new personality". This explanation would make sense in view of all answers given re. gender selection. As mentioned - this is (not Billy's but) my own thinking. Salome, Bill | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 808 Registered: 04-2013 |
In "The Future Of Mankind", it all appears to be a learning process as it states; "The basic personality is based on what the Spiritform needs to learn, which means that certain experiences are required to gain a certain knowledge. The gender of the new body is not selected in a conscious manner or by decision in the previous life, it is a natural process invoked by the whole of Spiritual evolution, and what kind of knowledge needs to be gained and which gender is most fit, male (positive) or female (negative)." http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Death,_Afterlife_and_Rebirth - - - - - - - - - - - Then there is this, based on "clear thoughts" during the current embodiment: According to Billy Meier, this is creational law: Pertaining to your next incarnation (reincarnation), if a person makes a decision with clear thinking during his/her current embodiment to reincarnate as a male, that is what will happen; same as with female. Reincarnation cannot be stopped, it will continue to eons. In science an eon is about a billion years. In other words, if a person (spirit-form) is a female in physical embodiment (current life) today and they want to come back as a female in their next embodiment, with clear thinking this person must think that they want to be a female and it will be registered in the persons personal spirit memory block; it’s a form of programming. A persons thoughts are very powerful which most humans have not figured out yet. If a person is confused and does not know if they want to be female or male, they will reincarnate as a homosexual. Psychological counseling can help a person (spirit-form) to correct this, so that in their next incarnation this spirit-form can be either male or female depending on their clear thoughts. If a person stays undetermined as to being a female or male, they will again incarnate as a homosexual. Reference: Billy Meier Contact Notes 154/158 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7BLJKiK6U8 Kenneth | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 859 Registered: 12-2011 |
Hi all.What causes the problems associated with all the imperfections with chilldren born.Should tests be done before couples planning for a child. joe | ||
Hoota_thunk Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 07-2017 |
OK, I too can now see the poor choice of words that I made in my 12th post above. Instead of ending with, "regardless of chromosomes?", it should read, "by steering/directing the chromosomes?" Andrew Grimshaw - The Silent Revolution Of Truth - | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 732 Registered: 04-2011 |
=== The universe “lives” to make the universe “grow” === Gender Selection – Some further thoughts: The re-incarnation files state environment selections depend on swinging waves. So I get this impression: All human beings “pulsate” with a very characteristic swinging wave which creates a very specific, matching environment. This is well valid for the swinging-wave we call “new personality”: The “programming of the new personality” is a natural event, done to bring the sum-total of a spirit form’s past incarnations into a “perfect balance with the universal, creational swinging wave”. It results in a very specific “start-off/basic” swinging wave that wants to attach itself to the most befitting environment, i.e. a mother-with embryo-swinging wave: A mother carrying an XX embryo has, of course, a somewhat different swinging wave than a mother with an XY embryo - thus a varied selection takes place, depending on the personality's dominant drive. If we see life in the universe with a universal eye: When the same wisdom that the universe holds is learned by many the universe can grow *). Thus the “Bluetooth-like pairing” of the two swinging waves (their finding/coming together) is a very natural, cause and effect-based event. As are, indeed, all the many events in our universe. They all happen “in tune with achieving the overall objective”: To establish a universal balance. A oneness with "universal life". These are my impressions. Salome, Bill *) Engels formulated the law of "transformation of quantity into quality": We can see this law in action in many areas. Engels mentioned Napoleon’s observations in Egypt: When fighting the Mamelukes he found that individually the Mamelukes were stronger – 2 Mamelukes would kill 3 French soldiers. But when 1000 French soldiers met 1000 Mamelukes the French would win because their fighting was more accustomed to fight dynamically, in team work. Thus "Boney" made sure that the French would always attack in large nos. Another example of this law may be the change in health when negatives considerably outweigh the positives: E.g. all humans have some cancer cells, carry some toxins. But they only become dangerous and result in a disease or even death if they become abundant. These are but a few samples telling us that a change in quantity does bring about a change in quality. As all things in our universe reflect each other we can apply any of the laws for the micro-level as well for the macro-level. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 376 Registered: 10-2016 |
Kenneth and all, Regarding the information contained in your post #808. You would enjoy an article in Wissenswertes Heft #04 regarding change of gender in incarnation that further validates what you posted, penned by Meier in the 70's. This article is found translated at Meiersaken.info (a direct link is not allowed). To find the article, go to: Meiersaken.info, click on "Rebirth" found on the left side, and scroll down until you reach "Change of gender by incarnation". All the articles found under the "Rebirth" section are good, as they are all from Wissenswertes Heft 04 found in the Swiss book shop, all penned by Meier in the 70's, but the original German is not provided at Meiersaken.info, one can order the booklet from Switzerland to have the German. Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural): ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen." 27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under." | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 564 Registered: 07-2006 |
the following is based on my understanding of the creational laws and recommendations: 1) no special parents become sought out (chosen) for the reincarnation of the spirit-form and incarnation of the consciousness-block (consciousness and personality) - a rebirth and a birth occur indiscriminately and completely neutral, in accordance with the causal foreordination. Otherwise one spirit-form as well as a consciousness with its personality would be favored and others in turn would be disadvantaged, which is not Creation-law-based possible, because the Creation exists in pure fairness and cannot act against it. Therefore no ideal and no selection occurs in regard to specific parents, because the contrary corresponds to a breach of creational law-principle and an unfairness, whereby the neutral behavior and the equality-for-all would be harmed and would be contrary to the Creation, and its laws and recommendations. 2) the spirit-form and consciousness-block will only reincarnate/incarnate, respectively, in to a new body in accordance with their respective evolutionary levels. No spirit-form will reincarnate and no consciousness-block (consciousness and personality) will incarnate into a body (Wesen) which is not in accordance with its evolutionary level otherwise a stagnation of the spirit-form's evolution and of the consciousness-block's development would occur. This is contrary to creational law. An example: When Malona's inhabitants blew up their planet their spirit-forms were added to our planet's pool of spirit-forms in waiting for a new human embryo which would be in accordance with their spirit-form's and consciousness-block's evolutionary level (some may still be waiting?). 3) the determination of gender/sex occurs during the conception process (procreation/fertilization) based on the biological father's sperm-cell chromosomes and the biological mother's egg-cell chromosomes. Also gene-based personality characteristics are passed on from the parents. The embryo is driven, for the first 21 days, by an ur-instinct pre-given ur-drive by which the embryo develops to the point of providing a Wesen capable of hosting a reincarnating spirit-form and associated incarnating consciousness-block on the 21st day after conception. At the point of the reincarnation and incarnation on the 21st day after conception the reincarnating spirit-form enlivens (animates/gives life to) the former embryo, now fetus. This is when the consciousness development begins (as well as the self-determining of sexual-orientation) with the processing of stored subconscious memory impulses from all past-personalities (from the overall-consciousness-block), impulses from the storage banks and swinging-waves from external sources through the subconsciousness and this all continues for approximately eight and a half months before the fetus is actually born. After the birth the external influences begin playing a stronger role in the consciousness processing. When the genetic makeup of the human being is considered then causal foreordination must be taking into account. The combination of the genes with the procreation is subject to a causal foreordination as is also the pattern of the genetic personality inherited from both parents through their genetic makeup. This genetic personality along with the distinct personality in its fundamental form through the overall-consciousness-block are the distinct causes of an ongoing causal foreordination which in turn results in a distinct effect in regard to the personality development. The individual information is both imparted through the overall-consciousness-block and also inherited through the genes of the parents. Also included in the parental inheritance is the resulting effect on personality development through the upbringing education. The human being thus takes forward from his/her parents inheritances and forges his/her own life and destiny. In doing this he/she creates his/her own causes, sequences of events, causal foreordinations through which entirely distinct results, i.e., effects arise. Thus the human being can consciously directly influence and direct his/her own genetically conditioned destiny and therewith also the causal foreordination factors and in turn the self-determined effects come forth. See also 'Reincarnation/Incarnation Process' at: https://creationaltruth.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=0biaVJREz9M%3d&tabid=305&portalid=0 Hope this helps Salome PatM | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 423 Registered: 02-2010 |
Does anyone know whether our current "DNA-Deoxyribonucleic acid" is the same throughout our former and future personalities? There is a lot of interest in "DNA" such as determining our trace of origin, "restoring our DNA", etc. Because if the "DNA" is dissolved such as our personalities at death, knowing our trace of origin, or attempting to restore our DNA is not necessary? MsMichelle | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 808 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Bill I would agree with your theory that perhaps "Matching and Attraction" are the keys for the gender selection. Where, male inclining consciousness-block tends to match and incarnate in an XY embryo, and, female inclining consciousness-block tends to match and incarnate in an XX embryo. Just some thoughts Salome Savio http://billybooks.org | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 565 Registered: 07-2006 |
Msmichelle, There is no connection between the physical bodies of any former or current personalities. The DNA is only useful in determining genealogy not however a spirit-form's lineage. Hope this helps PatM | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 809 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi PatM I refer to the 'Reincarnation/Incarnation Process' at: https://creationaltruth.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=0biaVJREz9M%3d&tabid=305&portalid=0 In the center of the diagram where impulses are transferring from OCB Storage Banks to the Spirit-form The explanation being ¡§All Consciousness-form impulses also transferred to the Spirit-form¡¨ It is my understanding that the Spirit-form only accept ¡§logical and/or high-values of knowledge,essence of wisdom ¡K etc¡¨ Would it be more accurate to indicate something like ¡§Only high values of all Consciousness-form impulses also transferred to the Spirit-form¡¨? Just some thoughts. Salome Savio http://billybooks.org | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 568 Registered: 07-2006 |
Regarding gender determination: from questions to Billy-Answered - Archive July 2, 2005 http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/5446.html?1120329344#POST15132 Question: Hello Billy, In your small brochure «Ein Wort zu Mann und Frau …» you write that «Basically speaking, we are to notice that firstly are all embryos of female type. A transformation to male ones – when it becomes male – follows first from the eight to tenth week of pregnancy, namely through development of larger amount of hormone, e.g. Testosteron.» «Grundlegend ist dabei beachten, dass erstlich alle Embryos weiblicher Natur sind. Eine Wandlung zum Männlichen – wenn es ein Junge wird – erfolgt erst während der achten bis zehnten Schwangerschaftswoche, und zwar duch die Entwicklung einer grösseren Menge Hormone, wie z.B. Testosteron.» The question is: How can be the gender of a person “in development” for such a long time, 8-10 weeks of pregnancy, when the gender, on chromosomen level XX/XY, is determinated after impregnation? Answer: The gender is not determined immediately after impregnation, but by the personality that enters the embryo (together with the spirit form) on the 21st day of pregnancy. It is the new personality that has been created by the comprehensive (now overall) consciousness block (Gesamtbewusstseinblock) that „steers/directs“ the developing embryo in order to remain a female body or to become a male body. This process is made possible by the spirit’s force/power. The spirit form is responsible for the necessary impulses for this process, but the spirit form itself does NOT decide about the gender. It’s the new personality and its aspects/goals/etc. that determine the gender of the developing baby/human being. Hope this helps Salome PatM |
