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    Indi Moderator Post Number: 538 Registered: 06-2006 |
Copy of Post #249 by Phaethonsfire Posted on Monday, June 21, 2004 - 05:26 am: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/3555.html#POST12850 True Trust and True Love When people are in a relationship most of the times their feelings for each other are based on a affective love, which means their feelings are based on sexual issues, physical, economical, mental or psychological factors. It is often so that in relationships, and mostly during the 'butterfly-in-love' stage that the loved one can't do anything wrong, he / she is seen through pink glasses and for every negative thing he / she thinks or does there is a good and denying explanation. After a while this stage of 'butterfly-in-love' feelings will calm down and then the negative aspects of the loved one come surfacing, which can be hurtful, because often it is realized that the loved-one is not as 'perfect' as thought. Basically, the butterfly-feelings 'being-in-love' or having a crush on a person is very often self-delusional, and based on wishes and unreal thinking. True Trust Real Trust, like real and effective Love is based on knowledge and facts, it means that a person needs to objectively observe and analyze another person to know if the other person is trustworthy or not, when the other person is trustworthy, then it should be based on the facts about this person. In this situation it will be possible to have a sense of trust for the other and it will be based on facts and knowledge, in this situation, you know that the other person in your life won't deceive you or give you major problems. When there is a trust connection between two people based on knowledge (and never on mindless believes) then there can be no room for jealousy or any other negative feeling. Of course, in this day and age True Trust and True Trustworthiness are still faraway since people are full of materialistic thinking and cult-religious believes. A person becomes truly trustworthy when his/her life is aimed and geared towards the real truth about Creation and its Laws, when logic become the dictating force in a persons life then he/she will never do things consciously against logic or the Truth. For people to have a mutual trust connection, both need to have both trust and trustworthiness in themselves in order to form a trust-bond, which is usually the direct precursor of a true love form. When a true trust connection is made, it is indestructible and solid for life, in such a connection, jealousy, envy, mistrust, etc, etc can’t exist. True Love Actual effective Love, regardless on the form of love, is based on an absolute knowledge, Truth and Trust In the form of a binding-love between a man and a woman it's the absolute certainty that both are one in an indivisible union, in balance of positive and negative. This means that feeling a union with your spouse/partner, etc it also means that you are honest and address any positive and negative issue in an equal and balanced basis. This means that you correct a negative action of your partner for the reason to help your partner to evolve and learn from his/her mistake. When you feel / sense a true love for a person, based on trust and out of mutual evolution, this bond will be unbreakable for all times, in life and in death. Whenever you are thousands of miles apart, you always will feel him or her close to you since the love bond is always there. So, create true love on the balance of positive and negative, be honest to yourself, and towards the other, and know, feel and trust that the love bond with the other is for all time to come. The book 'Law of Love' - 'Gesetz der Liebe' page 10 Liebe ist absolute Gewissheit dessen, selbst in allem mitzuleben und mitzuexistieren, so in allem existenten: In Fauna und Flora, im Mitmenschen, in jeglicher materiellen und geistigen Lebensform gleich welcher Art, und im Bestehen des gesamten Universums und darüber hinaus. Translation: Love is the absolute certainty to live and exist yourself in all existence: In the fauna and Flora, with your fellow human, with every material and spiritual lifeform regardless which form they belong to, and in existence of the whole Universe and above.Jakobjn | ||
Indi Moderator Post Number: 539 Registered: 06-2006 |
Copy of excerpt from Post #354 by Phaethonsfire in the Spiritual Terminology subtopic: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/4224.html?1162333621 Love, The Law of: Love is a creational law. Love is absolute certainty of oneself living and existing in everything that exists: In fauna and flora, in the fellow-human being, in each material and spiritual life form of any kind, and in the existence of the entire universe and beyond it. Love in its essential definition means this: To feel absolute certainty that one lives in all existent in absolute certainty and absolute feeling that the existence of the others is a part-existence of ones own existence, regardless if its a plant, spiritform, an animal, a planet, a rock or a fellow human being. Love is the absolute certainty and the absolute knowledge and the absolute feeling and the absolute grasping, that ALL life is a part of ones own life, while everything is a whole-us-collective (Gesamt-wir-form) in ur-alltime BEING of all existence and only can exist in knowing and sensing of Love als whole-existence. Love is the absolute knowledge and feeling, the absolute sensing and joint living in unity in ur-identical form with all existent life in all whole-universal form and beyond that, in the absolute wisdom, that ones own existence is a part-existence of all other existent lifeforms, which are on their turn a part of ones own existence, and that all whole-universal lifeforms just exist because of this reason. Love contains/holds within a logicality (Folgerichtigkeit), in other words: logicality lies in love, because love has a cause and an effect. Love is created from causal factors, from what logicality results (depending on the love form and love?s intensity). Besides love, that which is spiritual and consciousness-related also has a certain logical development = logicality. Logic brings a certain effect from a cause, and this effect is cause for the next effect, etc. Love is a creational and "empfindungsgeprägtes" element. Logic is founded in creational laws (Gesetzmässigkeiten). Logic includes causality (cause and effect) and growing and passing away (Werden und Vergehen). Every principle of the Creation, the universe and all its lifeforms are founded in the The Law of Love. Love is the founding principle of ALL principles. Every other principle is classified under the principles of Time, Space and Spirit. So love can only be existent in the principles of Time, Space and Spirit, which are the foundations for Love. This means that love, spirit, time and space cant be seen apart form each other and form a indivisable unity. There are 4 (four) main loveforms, although love knows many variants: 1. Bindinglove (Love in a marriage, monogamic and polygamic union) 2. Platoniclove (love between people without sex, friendshiplove) 3. Universallove (love for everything, regardless material or spiritual) 4. Brotherly/Sisterly love (love for a 'stranger' to help without any personal gain and without any judging) | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 367 Registered: 10-2004 |
Interesting how love is found when looking with absolute objectivity. Allowance of anything to be true allows the absolute truth to be true, and the absolute truth is love, the amaranthine creation. Love is always the way | ||
Marbar Member Post Number: 152 Registered: 12-2009 |
Is universallove and bindinglove a good thing for a good marriage? | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1364 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** For Creation so loved It's creation, That it placed the seeds of Love With all that walk as OMEDAM, That as each does pass along the Way The Seeds do blossom and bloom For all of life, the song of Love to play In Peace this day *** ~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 369 Registered: 10-2004 |
IMHO, Marriage is complicated circumstance because it is a single word for many things. Marriage is in part an identity, and at its outset, a redefinition of one's identity. Marriage is social contract, a joining together of families, which in turn forms the foundation of a cohesive society. 'Bindinglove', as it is defined here, usually forms the basis of a modern Western marriage. 'Universallove' does not directly impact the charter of marriage so much as it brings peace to whatever circumstance upon which it is applied. 'Universallove' is, to me, just 'love', and everything other 'form of love' is simply something else which incorporates love into its construct. Love is always the way | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 373 Registered: 10-2004 |
Love is the way Love is always the way Love is the way to a greater connection to the more than Love is the escape from the confines of ourselves Love is the way to the only living reality, consensuality, actuality we call 'life' Love is the way to the duality of awareness, and to presentation, expression, giving of ourselves as well Beyond even self Love is always the way Love is it love Love is always the way | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 273 Registered: 07-2009 |
Sitkaa, no offence but you seem obsessed with Love. Isn't it supposed to be a good balance of things? Love is not always the way. | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 376 Registered: 10-2004 |
Darren: What is the 'Love' to which you refer? Love is always the way | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 274 Registered: 07-2009 |
The Love you always end with. There are other laws besides the Law of Love, so therefore, Love cannot always be the way. That is what I was referring to. | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 275 Registered: 07-2009 |
btw, if there was a discussion as to why you end your posts with that comment, then I missed it. | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 379 Registered: 10-2004 |
Love is... In context of diverging perspectives, each encompassing the other, love finds the commonality between them, and through this generates another perspective. Love is the process of creation. In context of relativistic reality, love fearlessly springs into the non-existent void, from whence potentiality out of nothingness sings. Love is the underlying vibe of creation. In context of the mirrors of identity, each emulating their own expectations of righteousness, each defining and fulfilling their proper roles, love is a breath of fresh air freely given. Love is the freedom of creation's expressions, growing and learning and living. Love is found in beauty, love is found in soft bliss. Love is found here. Love is always the way | ||
Und New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 09-2010 |
bondage is not love you do understand that creation can do absolutely anything it wants with its structures - can build them any way it wants? | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1897 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Und.... Welcome to the FIGU Board. Well, (The) Creation is also in compliance of her own Creational Laws and thus, she is governed by her main principle of: Consequence(s) - Cause and Effect. Just as ALL within her. Thus, she too, as ALL within, are dependent in/on the - Out Come - of this principle Law of Logic(al) "Action Reaction", if you will(; in simple terms....). Pleasant Studying.... Edward. | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 386 Registered: 10-2004 |
Bondage is not love, but love may be found in bondage. Such is probably not the most direct path for expressing it, though, since love expressed most easily in freedom. Love is always the way | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 333 Registered: 07-2009 |
Hi Sitka, Are you a...Pisces? If not, would you like to be one? I can help! | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 392 Registered: 10-2004 |
What is the difference between Creation and Love? My own understanding of what I call 'love' is intrinsic. I don't have the same understanding of the word 'creation'. However, in reading Semjase's discourses, her depiction of Creation sounds very similar to my understanding of love. Again: how do you think it is best to distinguish between the use of the terms/concepts 'love' and 'creation'? BTW: I don't really know anything about the whole astrology thing. Lieben und Leben : ) | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 453 Registered: 03-2004 |
Sitkaa to me: Creation is ALL that exists and Love is the UNITY of all things salome | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 477 Registered: 06-2009 |
Sitkaa, If one-liners have to be picked: Creation is ALL that exists and is omnipresent. Love is the highest principle of Creation, and through it, everything exists in absolute logic.  For a clearer understanding, there is now enough English language material that can be referred. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Creation#The_Creation http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Understanding_The_Term_%E2%80%9CCreation%E2%80%9D http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Creation%27s_Love and read the TJ and GoT. Salome. Suv | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 478 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hi Sitkaa, Did not previously saw your earlier post "Bondage is not love, but love may be found in bondage." Without going into - if that is right or wrong, bondage IMO is an inappropriate term when describing love. Blind affinity and support to something or somebody restrict spiritual progress of all the actors involved. That applies to even binding love. For e.g. there is this husband and wife living in your neighbourhood. They are apparently very much in love with each other. Due to some reason, the husband commits a heinous crime and the wife comes to know of it. The husband is hiding in the attic and the police have come knocking at the door enquiring about the husband. What would the wife do if there is prominence of bondage in her and what would the wife do if there is true love between them? Think about it. BTW, the above is a bad example, I know, but could not think of any better example. Salome. Suv | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 393 Registered: 10-2004 |
These answers, to me, illustrate the one problem with being taught spiritual truths. Compassion needs know no reason. This is not to say that reasons cannot be applied, but rather that love is creative, is life, just because. Lieben und Leben : ) | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 394 Registered: 10-2004 |
My apologies if I come across too quickly. I found your responses thoughtful, and thought provoking. Thanks for providing them. To address my own question, 'what is the difference between creation and love?', I think this question has multiple answers, depending upon the perspective one is adopting at the moment. For instance: 1. There is no difference between creation and love. 2. Creation is the manifestation of love 3. Creation is of love. 4. Love is an aspect of the creative process. 5. Love is a wonderful emotion which connects all living things, whereas creation is the physical framework within everything occurs. All of these perspectives are true. Some are merely more encompassing than others. None is more true than any other. Ce la vie. But then, what does i know? Only love. Lieben und Leben : ) | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 482 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hi Sitkaa, "Compassion needs know no reason. This is not to say that reasons cannot be applied..." - could not understand what you mean and how it relate to any problem with spiritual truth. Salome. Suv |
