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Frondaltar
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Posted on Wednesday, April 16, 2003 - 02:19 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi! Christian,
this is my firts time I send a post and I suppose to do it on this topic area. This is my question.Does the sex have something to do with the evoluction of the spirtit and the creation, or in other words,not to spill the semen, but sublimate sexual energy with the couple help to reactive the Chakras how the old doctrine of Lao tsé, the ¨TAO¨, says and nowadays philosophies as Gnosis express. is this true? have you heard about that before?
thanks, Veronica
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Christian
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Posted on Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Veronica,

According to Quetzal those Chakras are really an illusion only, i.e. they are not real.

Yes, sex has something to do with evolution. The more evolved a person is, the more absent is sexual degeneration, like e.g. sodomy (= sex with animals), sado-masochism, pedophilia, , etc. etc.
To sublimate sexual energy is basically an unhealthy thing, because sex (intercourse and also masturbation/onanism) is a natural means to relax and soothe the psyche. This has absolutely nothing to to with sin and a low evolutionary level.

What do you mean with "Not to spill the semen"? Each and every man (even the Pope) does spill his semen, even when he doesn't execute sexual satisfaction. Since semen are constantly produced by the male organism there must be a way to make fresh space for the newcomers. This can be done by certain actions, or simply by waiting.

I hope that this is what you wanted to hear or read.

Christian
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Truthseeker
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Posted on Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 01:39 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greetings Christian and Veronica,

I do seem to remember a conversation with Billy and the plejarans in regards to the plejarans use of natural forms of birth control, then no further details were giving from that point on. But perhaps the best information you seek can be found from Taoist "Mantak Chia" who gives techniques on how men can achieve multi-orgasm experieces without ejaculation and loss of energy. Male ejaculation he says causes a depletion in physical energy and the bodies nutrients such as amino-acids in men. Furthermore the Taoist teachings don't give mention of chakras such as what originated as misleading information from "Gopi Krishna's" Tantra Yoga, but rather through the taoist science of acupuncture & Chi-Kung, it's mentioned that the hormone balance of the bodies 7 glands by means of these sexual practices is what keeps the bodies vitality and good health going, along with natural birth control. Women also have their own practices. Unfortunately many people and gurus like Gopi Krishna, will falsely attribute to the existence of chakras for these 7 glands of the body, all of which produce hormones.

These 7 glands being:

The Pineal gland
The Pituitary gland
The Thyroid gland
The Thymus gland
The Pancreas gland
The Adrenals gland
The Sexual organ gland

Peace in knowing,
James the truthseeker

Moderator: I've posted this same post again do to spell corrections.
Please delete former post. Thanks!
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Jplagasse
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Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 08:35 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi all..
Among the things that my Reiki background taught me... is that the so-called chakra points do NOT coincide with what is felt on the reiki table.
As far as my perceptions are concerned, the chakra points do not all exist as we were taught.
It would be WONDERFUL to have the instrumentation to measure this stuff, eh? :-)
JP
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Torrent
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Posted on Friday, April 25, 2003 - 01:15 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello, everyone.
I would love to add one more question from a different perspective to this forum, which has been hovering around my head quite a long time, but I couldn’t finally answer clearly to.
‘Is the universe really cruel, selfish, and irresponsible?”

We already know, if you have read and learned materials here, why universe has created so many spirit forms in itself and how it purports to evolve by re-uniting with highly evolved spirits with much wisdom and knowledge in the long run.
The question is why did it make its own SELFISH decision to create those souls destined to suffer, with no doubt, numerous terrible and painful experiences (you can’t avoid making millions of mistakes resulting in pains in the process of evolution) through billions’ reincarnations?
Why did it have to do that for its own revolution without caring about those individual souls who can’t avoid extreme pains which last until you get a certain level of wisdom and knowledge, which might take almost forever?

I once thought the universe was entitled to that right of decision because we, all the spirit forms, are also part of the whole being, the creation or universe. In other words, what we are experiencing is what it is experiencing.(Just like a water drop from the sea contains the essence of the ocean, but maintain its own identity itself at the same time).
But let’s focus on that tiny water drop. The question arises that each water drop has feelings. It can feel happiness or pains. That is what matters. . Individual spirit form living in the material world can’t avoid so many different kinds of pains and torments until it reaches a certain high spiritual level or even the whole society or world does so.
Of course, compared with an unimaginably long time span which during spirit forms repeat reincarnations, those evitable painful periods of time might seem short, but it is not short at all for individuals actually experiencing.
How could you ignore those excruciating pains and nightmares just because it is just a process we have to go though for a spiritual evolution or they just don’t last forever?

One more dilemma I have faced learning here is that how could the creation be love itself when it gives us, or interweave itself with, both positive and negative things?
Billy says our life is neutral because it is filled with both. I find this very illogical, because the mathematical equation, 1-1=0, makes sense, but it can’t apply to our life.
Let’s say somebody slaps on your face and immediately kisses on it. Is it 1-1=0?
Of course not. 0 can’t be translated into neutral or, in real life term, “nothing has changed” because we remember both of them happened and they can’t counteract against each other to make the whole thing neural or non-existent.
If the purpose of the universe was to make our life neural, why didn’t it choose to make it totally neural, by not creating the spirit forms?
My bottom line is, even when we understand we can evolve only through both positive and negative things, how could the universe be love when it gives us both of them? Isn’t it supposed to give us only positive things or more simply just nothing, if it is love?
How could you say you love somebody and also give him both slaps and kiss? Doesn’t it sound weird?
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Edward
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Posted on Friday, April 25, 2003 - 01:16 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi JP...

Yes, it would be very very "Wonderful" and Interesting to have the Instrumentation to measure.

I was wondering; I was watching, on the televison, the "Chi" of a Buddhist Monk that was Awakening His Chi in his daily pratise..and I would think we could indeed Measure it and maybe even See it...with "Infra-Red" or maybe even with "Thermo-grafic" Scanners that can measure and See the Heat sources. This
would be a way to Verify it's existance....and it be proven.

Many many years back some friends of mine went to a Martial Arts presentation and one of their teachers spent many years in a Shoalin Temple and did manage to use his Chi to defend himself just by Concentratin and Awakening it(in a Trance-like State); then some 4-5 men were to try and walk to him, but at a distance...they could Not go any further because of the Strong Chi-Field he put around himself.
And as far as I know...it was Not Faked. I happen to have seen this same teacher do this on the television years later.
It is known...that the Monks(some) could do this for centuries.


Edward.
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Markc
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Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 02:14 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Torrent ;

I was looking for a word in your post and I found it - "torment" .I can only assume the name you have chosen is in some reference to this word , which I find somewhat revealing . It indicates a bit of psychology , which we as humans are responsible for solving the dilemmas surrounding our own psyches and personalities . To blame someone or something other than yourself is irresponsible and a waste of time . It puts the Creation itself in the position of a parent , somehow being blamed for not raising the 'child' (human being) in a proper format , and indicates that the teaching about said Creation is somehow incorrect or distorted .

An internet discussion forum is really insufficient to transfer a complete concept , and the truth about your question must inevitably be discovered by yourself . One can only postulate and describe ideas , but not download understanding to another . Your hypothetical "kiss and slap" example is understandable - however it would insinuate a little mental illness and imbalance on the part of the authority , in this case , as you put it , the Creation . The "slap" would be a painful reaction from an obvious action or choice .It would be too black and white , or too cut and dry to just say that everyone reaps what they sow , becasue the next question would be " why is a child born into misery and need ?" , which would indicate no choice by the newborn , and no past for it to have made any choices . And yet there always is a past and choices on the part of the spirit form of the child , who lived before as an adult , many times over , and it's experiences are distinctly tailored by the mirror -like ability of the Creation to place a person in situations which require the person to learn from .

I will refer to the torment that you refer to . I beleive this is a form of insanity in which a confused person will deny any responsibilty for his circumstances and perpetually place himself as a victim , and even cleverly surround himself with people who support his erring mindset. The millions of lifetimes would be required by anyone who is trying to evolve from the standpoint of the typical level of earth human development , which is somewhat primitive and , in a state of disrepair .
The pains experienced are part of life itself and of course unavoidable . Even the religions cannot offer a painless existence , but some kind of
"safe zone" for those who want to drop out of the required effort that is the struggle called life .

I can only suggest that you be patient and research this site as much as possible , and I can suggest reading all the topic areas at some point , until you come across some concepts that make sense to you . Many people come to this site impatiently , and they have already made up their mind that this Spiritual Teaching can't help - a "self fulfilling prophecy" . Ironic !

Yes, love can take the form of a slap , if one refuses to wake up on his own , and therefore it is just a loving gesture , if one can recognize it , and not be further cast into confusion by it.

I salute your interest .You have come to the right place .

Mark
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Norm
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Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Torrent, I guess if everything were Perfect from the start it would be awfully boring. There would be no point in it!
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Frondaltar
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Posted on Monday, April 28, 2003 - 03:00 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Although I know and I agree that almost religions in the world were created with the intention of keeping the power, or maybe the primaray essence of doctrines were became to another thing, do you consider some forms of buddhism how the nearest thrue?
And what can you tell me about other secret groups like the Esenios ( I don't know the traduction to English, but this is a reference: They lived at the East of the Death Sea). thanks for your time.

Veronica
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Mhurley
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"Canst thou bind the sweet influences of the Pleiadies or loose the chains of Orion" - Book of Job 37:31 - The Bible

Has Billy ever past comment on this passage?

Matt
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Norm
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Mhurley, Not that I know of. Good question for you to ask at the next round of questions.
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Howard
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When billy asked Semjase about stigmata, best known person of stigmata is problably Francis of Assisi. They get wounds the same places as Jesus did. Meier and Semjase said, or I would rather call it presuming, that it had to do with "strong false belief". How can that be true, since they never ask for it, or focus energy on creating the same wounds as Jesus? The spirit has to be extremely strong to do such an extraordinary manifestation. Furthermore, how can the wounds be at exactly the same places as Jesus had (or Immanuel if you want to call it that)?
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Howard
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Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 10:06 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi people on this board,
I just saw a television show on the national channel here in Norway called "TV2". There was a discussion about a person called Svein Magne and his organization "jesus heals". He has been praying for over 40000 thousands people in Norway and abroad each year. Nearly everyone gets instantly or over a period of weeks or months (or maybe a year) healed for everything from cancer to AIDS.
He gets messages by telephone or the internet, and is just saying simple prayers for them. How could this be? The spiritual teachings dont count here, nobody on earth could be able to do this without EXTREMELY spiritual powers. I recon healing just by believing it dont count either, most people does it without expecting anything, and no matter what, nobody can cure themselves for AIDS. Any suggestions? Any spiritual explanation on this?
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Pureharmony
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Posted on Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 02:37 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is possible that the spirit is healing itself. I think that alot of people might believe in someone else's abilities, instead of giving credit or credence to their own spirit. Since we all have a spirit, it is something in which we are all capable of. 90% of the world are followers, and tend to look to others for the answers.
I do think it is possible to increase the charge of your spirit and energy field while connecting with others. (Anyone ever read the Celestine Prophecy here?) You can increase your spirit's charge with nature's creation (plants, animals) itself, according to the research written of in Celestine Prophecy book. Also it is possible to drain charge of others through negative interaction.
*pureharmony*
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Claes
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Posted on Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 04:38 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree with you Pureharmony that it is our spirit (and consciousness) that heal ourselves. People often don’t want to take responsibility for them selves and their situation and they blame the bad on the devil and the good on god or the holy spirit, a healer, saint , guru etc.
I remember reading that Petale transmitted to Billy that “this is the time for self healing”
I interpret that as by trying to heal other people we are taking away the possibility for them to learn from their experience.
I would rather help others to heal themselves through explaining things of logic and encourage them to take responsibility for themselves.
Often their ailment would have been caused by their own thinking, acting, emotions, believing etc

I think that when we take drugs every time we get sick we suppress the symptoms that could lead us to realizations of why we are sick.
Of course for emergencies and severe illnesses we may need drugs sometimes.

I also think that we influence each other all the time and that we heal or hurt each other without thinking about it.

Salome,
//Claes
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Scott
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Hi Claes,

The idea that man must learn to heal himself is mentioned a number of times in the beginning of the Decalouge.

It seems this idea is a requirement that each persons obligation to himself and Creation is that he learns to develop his consciousness to the point that he is able to utilize and activate his own spiritual forces. This in turn helps the evolution of the person and in turn he can instruct others to follow the correct path of evolution.

There is a statement in the Decalouge which reads: "The New Time requires of you that you think for yourself and also that you guide your fellowman to independent thinking" This to me sums up many of the problems of today, in which so many people follow the dictates of what is seen on TV or read in the daily news and take what they are given as truth without questioning it.

It seems nowadays it is getting hard and harder to challenge the mass thinking. Its almost like we are going backwards with all of this war talk and militaristic thinking that seems to be so pervasive these days. More and more you see look alike military vehicles on the roads and many TV channels have stories related to the history of wars and the developments of new and sophisticated war type weapons. Maybe mankind has to bury itself in ignorance before it can start to search for truth and light.

Salome
Scott
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Edward
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Hi Shannon...

Very interesting question there!

I would agree what Scott posted. I had read something...the same in Billy's
materials...once.

Did you know, that Nicola Tesla...did not want to Shake Hands with the people
he meant? He was in a way very Obsessed, in the good sense of the word, of
Loosing his Energies from his body and Spirit! Him also constantly doing
researcher in all sorts of energy-forms..., he seemed to have understood how
it's whole Processing seemed to have worded; even the human bodily
energy-forms.

So, here we have very good proof, from a well known and Authentic inventor
and researcher; that One's own body energy-forces indeed has very much value
to it's owner. Thus Nicola, was very conscious of not wanting to lose his
"Bodily-Spiritual-Energy Fluids".

I would surely agree with Nicola not shaking hands, because, through the
hands, is the most efficient way, and quick, to pass-over, or take-over
(absorb) energy-forms from another human being. I have also read in the past,
that there are even very very sensitive people, who do Not want to sit in a
room with much people. Why, because it seems that these very sensitive
people, can feel their own Life-force, or Spiritual-force, be sucked away
from their body. And be as weak as can be because of lack of Energy-force...
that was absorbed from them by people who may have done with unconsciously, not even knowing, they had such an ability to do such things.

It seemed, what I once read, that the Vampire myth, also had a part in this.
That in the old Folk-lore, it was not the Blood that a Vampire sucked out of
a human body, but the Life-force or Spiritual-force.

We know from the Kirlian Aura Photo Technique, that it is possible to witness
and see at first hand how Energy-Auras manifest. Thus, this technique, can
also show energie-forms pass-over to another life-form. Thus even witness,
just by looking at a plant or even just One's hand, the Aural Spirit-Energy
force shoting away from it. And through the study of the Kirlian Technique,
man can also learn to "Control" One's Own Bodily-Spiritual energies. Just
like great meditative Monks and Indian wisemen, and others, have done for
thousands and thousands of years.


Edward.
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Pureharmony
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Edward, this is fascinating about Nicola Tesla, thank you for that information. He really had a deep understanding of the workings of energy, indeed. I do believe he is correct in his thinking.
Claes mentioned "I think that when we take drugs every time we get sick we suppress the symptoms that could lead us to realizations of why we are sick. "

I have to agree with Claes here, even though i also agree with sometimes medications are necessary.
I have a personal example to share about my brother, concerning depression. The doctors had him on these anti-depressants. Eventually, he was on 7 different anti-depressant medications. He could not feel better, even with these medications. I never experienced what he had, so i could not relate. One time he came over, and when he was leaving, he gave me a really big hug. I thought nothing of it. Then i felt really depressed after he left. For 3 whole days, i felt entirely hopeless! I never feel like that. I realized i was feeling this way and what could have caused such a sinking, depressing feeling in me. Then i realized that Shawn had hugged me, and after that was when the feeling became present and very strong! I was amazed that this could occur. Finally after 3 whole days, the feeling dissipated, and i felt myself / normal & balanced again, with emotional stability. Strangely enough, my brother felt 'normal and undepressed' for about 3 days.
Was his depression an energy illness? Hmmmmmm.
I think there is definitely something to what Tesla was saying.


*pureharmony*
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Edward
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Hi Shannon...


Yes, I would also Agree with you and as Claes has mentioned.

Prescription drugs are Never really the Solution, in most cases. I have known
people who were in the same situation your dear brother was. And very
true...they only seem to "Sink" deeper into their depression...alas. The
medications, in many cases..only Strengthens the addiction...alas; is what I
have noticed. And than...they are even Further From Home...so to speak.

It would be like: if One was happy and drinks a bier...One would enjoy the
bier and the environment One is present at, but, if One is depressed and
drinks a bier...One would only become even More...depressive and may even get
negative ideas...with negative consequences...alas.

Like all addictions...it be doctor's prescription or even what Nature has to
offer us and so on, One has to Kick The Habit...by One's self. No one else
can do this for you but your self. It would be "Mind Over Matter". So when a
doctor gives a Battery of Multiple prescriptions, my own opinion would be
that he is acting irresponsible.

Surely you may have been very sensitive and Felt his Way Of Being...and he
absorbed some of your energies; Loved ones always pick-up vibrations from one
and other very easy.


Edward.
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George
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HI ALL - I also met so called Energy Vampire. I fell sick w/cold&cough after meeting him for more then 2 months. My friends who used to go to that New Age meeting have experienced the same and one of them could even pin point the person who was doing it.

Regards
George
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Scott
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Hello Everyone,

Considering the many aspects of spiritual development, I have wondered what role does fear play?

Is it something to be avoided....is it something needed in order for one to grow closer to one's own spirit? Jmmanuel experienced a very strong and fearful experience, which as I understand was needed to achieve some type of insight.

What is fear.....the combination of scary thoughts and feelings one experiences, but what is the basis for it? fear of death, fear of the unknown, fear of losing control etc....

In physical terms it is meant I believe as a warning system that the survival of the organism is at stake. But, what about irrational fears, which in reality are nothing but inappropriate responses to a perceived danger. Is this beneficial to the person...does it lead him to greater understanding of the self? Do beings with much greater spiritual development have the same fears as beings with less evolution? Possibly beings with much higher evolution have some recognition of the existence of the spirit, and therefore don't fear death as lesser-evolved beings might.

Is fear something to be mastered, how can one master one’s own fears? Does facing fear allow one to understand the true nature of it and then become greater in ones own understanding?

Any comments or opinions?

Salome
Scott
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Markc
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Hi Scott ;

I think fear ,being a loathsome state , is kind of an answer to it's own mystery . The only thing to fear is fear , or even better , fear isn't worth feeling , because it completely takes the point out of life , to live it being afraid . It seems that fear is something to arrange away from one's thoughts in a kind of weights and measures manner . In other words , to evaluate when possible , the usefullnes of fear . Staying out of a battle that your'e sure to lose would be a useful context .

A degeneration of fear , for example , dreading an upcoming activity , would be obsessive and self defeating . It would put the person in a state that harms him more than any speculated occurance could , due to the inhibition of evolution from forward thinking and feeling .

Salome , Mark
Mark Campbell
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Anonymous
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Hello Scott

You’ve put forward some excellent pointers. I’m going to give my answer to each of them separately. Hopefully it will be consistent, though not necessarily coherent.

”Is fear something to be avoided?”
It seems to me that there are two kinds of fear: that which is instinctual and that which is psychological. The former type of fear can’t be avoided, since it is something that is innate, an inbuilt indicator warning us of nearby danger. It is a fear with which we are born, and that is pro-life, in the sense that it contributes to our survival. It is not the kind of fear that causes us to avoid the unknown or anticipate death with horror. It is a fear that responds to our more natural and immediate circumstances, such as death, though only when we are actually experiencing it. Instinctual fear lacks foresight. Unlike psychological fear, which thrives through our ability to foresee, or rather anticipate, future events. This type of fear I believe can be avoided, and to a great extent, should be avoided. But in order for us to be successful in this it is necessary to change the way we think and live our lives, particularly in the field of parenting and religion, as it is these areas of our lives that affect us mostly, psychologically speaking. Unless we are strong in consciousness as children, the limitations that hinder our parents will almost certainly hinder us in later life, and cause us to acquire the same fears. It is probable that, even if we are strong in consciousness, we will still find ourselves constricted, due to our being unreservedly receptive to both negative and positive behaviour, and will just have to deal with it in later life. This type of fear often becomes ingrained, which is why it should be avoided if possible. It is a fear that has its origin in education, albeit the wrong kind, and is nurtured through our experiences with our parents and those who are constantly imposing their personality on us.

“Is fear needed in order for one to grow closer to one's own spirit? Jmmanuel experienced a very strong and fearful experience, which as I understand was needed to achieve some type of insight.”
Relating to my own experiences, I can say that having overcome a particular fear I had gained an insight that affected me at a deep level and became a turning point in my life. Had it not been for this fear I doubt that I would have gained the insight I had gained, since it was relating directly to the fear and the affect it had on my life. Yet I wouldn’t say that fear is needed for one to develop spiritually. I have always seen fear as an obstacle. The insight I had gained taught me just that. It made me aware consciously of the futility of fear. Now I could easily have had this thought prior to gaining an insight, but it never embraced my whole being as it had done when I did gain an insight. This in affect suggests that fear can be valuable in our development. But again I wouldn’t say it is needed. Anyone who lives his life free of fear is doing well. It was valuable in my case because my life was on hold because of it.

Regarding Jmmanuel’s experience, I don’t know that the insight he gained was due to his fear. I think it was due to his experience of being tortured and crucified at the hands of the Romans and the Pharisees. Of course his experience was extremely fearful. But it was not from his fear that he learned but rather from his experience. I don’t see that fear in itself can teach you anything other than the futility of fear. Experience, however, is much more versatile in educating us. This is how I see it. Here is an excerpt taken from the TJ, chapter 27, verse 2: “But Jmmanuel was angry and said, "Don't you know that the law says: 'You shall not kill out of degeneration', and don't you know what I prophesied to you, that I shall be crucified in order to gain a special insight?”

“What is fear.... the combination of scary thoughts and feelings one experiences.... what is the basis for it.... fear of death, fear of the unknown, fear of losing control etc....?”
As explained above, there appears to be two kinds of fears. The fear that stems from our psychology has got to be the worst kind of fear, seeing as it is more abstract and less grounded. When an infant is born it seems logical to assume that it has no psychology; that its mind is uncluttered and unknowing. As it ages and experiences life a psychological state of mind is cultivated. I think this is a natural process of existence. Though I do wonder if it is necessary, as it is my opinion that a psychological state of mind is a mind that has been ‘sullied’ by experience, and so therefore it is something that can be ‘wiped clean’. If this is correct, and I believe it is, then fear has its basis in childhood, not in death or the unknown, or in any other phobia. A fear of death in itself does not constitute a condition, merely an aspect of one’s condition. The basis for it, then, lies beneath a labyrinth of intellectual and psychological paraphernalia, which is more than likely to relate to our parents; though it could also relate to some incident.

”In physical terms it is meant as a warning system that the survival of the organism is at stake. But what about irrational fears, which in reality are nothing but inappropriate responses to a perceived danger. Is this beneficial to the person... does it lead him to greater understanding of the self?”
I think, provided a person is aware of his actions, his thoughts and his feelings, all negative responses contribute towards a greater understanding of oneself. If a person is not aware, then such responses can be more harmful than helpful. What is important here is that one considers one’s actions, feelings and thoughts so that one can learn from them. To behave irrationally is to a degree to be human. But to act, feel and think without subjective observation is, I am quite sure, to be like an animal.

“Do beings with much greater spiritual development have the same fears as beings with less evolution? Possibly beings with much higher evolution have some recognition of the existence of the spirit, and therefore don't fear death as lesser-evolved beings might.”
I would say that humans whose spiritual evolution is still in its early stages are hindered by a great deal of psychology, while humans whose spiritual evolution has proceeded beyond the early stages have little or no psychology. By this interpretation I mean to put forward that those who have psychology fear more than those who don’t. Of course, in our world of relentless ideology it is very difficult for anyone to avoid being impressed by someone’s views. But whereas someone who is weak in consciousness will succumb to an imposing personality, someone who is strong in consciousness will struggle against it until it has no influence over him, thereby granting him a greater capacity to think and possibly see things more clearly. A human being, therefore, with a much greater spiritual development is not likely to be subjected to fear stemming from a psychological state of mind, merely to fear stemming from instinct. In regards to Jmmanuel’s experience, I believe that his fear was instinctual rather than psychological.

”Is fear something to be mastered, how can one master one’s own fears? Does facing fear allow one to understand the true nature of it and then become greater in ones own understanding?”
As the 20th century was nearing its end I had an overwhelming fear that the world would also end. This of course did not happen, so there was no way for me to have faced my fear. Yet because of the weight of it on my consciousness I found myself feeling disappointed that nothing happened, for if something did happen at least then my fearing so tremendously would have been justified. But it had not been justified, even if something had happened, because my fear prevented me from living my life fully. This I realized during the early months of 2000. I can remember thinking to myself that from this day on I will embrace all people, all cultures and all lifestyles as an expression of the life within me. I had gained a valuable insight through this experience, and had consequently become greater in my own understanding. But I did not face my fear in the world. Neither did I master it. I don’t see how that can be done, and of what use it would be.
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I think I read somewhere that the FIGU-people must recon that they were probably going into another fetus early in the 21th century. Is this right? It is doubtful that I am to, I know. I wonder why creation sends you so fast into the physical world, when one has been aware that ones actions obviously should be peacefull and tolerant, and that it is helping creation and so on. There are a lot of people that doesnt understand this, is following blindly warmongers etc etc, and I think it is logical for the spirit to experience what it already has been ignorant to. So I think it is illogical, that creation will torment a new body of the spirit, making it meaningless for it to suffer when it has already learned, gained wisdom on the subject.
Any sugestions?
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An open word.

Hello everybody,

I want to post rather different post then usual, things that have been on my mind of quite some time. Everything that I will state in this post is also applicable on myself entirely without restrictions or modifications.
I think all these topics in this post apply to virtually all people, except post D that is addressed to men in particular.

I will divide this post in several topics:

A. The past, the present and the future, predictions

Since I have know about FIGU and its members and the members of this forum, and people in general, a few things came apparent to me that all those people had in common about things of the past, present and future.
People seem to have a keen interest in knowing the future, up to a point that it comes an obsession, I always wondered why that was and why had that curiosity too.
After years of thinking about this I finally have come to a conclusion in which I think I have found the truth.
Most people want to know the future because of two main reasons.

1. Fear for the future, subconsciously to a more or less extend people know that how they are living their lives in not according to the Laws of Creation.

2. Power, and selfishness, people with advanced knowledge of the future tend very strongly to use this to their own selfish advantage, to make them feel better then others or to use this knowledge to an tactical advantage, in any way possible.

The desire of people wanting to know the future is also the illogical desire of people not wanting to live in the current Earth situation, people have a believe that the future is beautiful OR horrible.
A lot of people these days want to get stunned and numbed out in anyway possible not to deal with the current Earth situation, reality is too hard for them. The apex of ignorance that I have found in these things is expressed in this idiotic saying: "Ignorance is bliss"

Then how should we deal with the future and predictions (prophetical) then?
Predictions how they are given are WARNINGS, if we follow this route it will end up in devastation and horror for all mankind, predictions can be altered by doing the right things HERE AND NOW, that is by following the Laws of Creation, sowing the seeds of knowledge and provide people with the tools how to bring those seeds to blossom.
Creation is all-powerful, Time is next powerful to Creation, time is given and its limited in the material realm, so when you follow the Laws of Creation make sure that to best of your ability that every second counts, once gone, it will be gone forever.
Remember that every day death can come calling...
The future is shaped how you think and feel in the so-called PRESENT and if its according to the Natural Creative Laws or not.
If your thoughts, feelings and actions are according to the Natural Creative laws, then there is no worry about the future, because you will live in the knowledge that your future will be good.


B. Billy Meier and idolization.

Its a fact that Billy Meier is a remarkable person, no doubt about that, seen what he has done and still does.
Yet, I have seen a development around his person that needs clarification.
I have seen several posts and questions about the past incarnations of Billy's Spiritform over the last millennia and millions of years; there is a keen interest in that.
When I analyze this interest it becomes clear to me that many people are very close to idolizing him as a person and putting him on a place where doesn’t want to be, namely that of Guru, Master, etc.
Like everybody else in this whole Universe, Creation has created each and every Spiritform in the same loving manner, there is no difference between any Spiritform in the whole Universe, every evolutionary Spiritform is create equal and has the right to be respected.
Spiritforms who are wise are aiding us in our evolution in a manner that is compliant to the Natural Creative Laws and is done out of their own will and love.
Those Spiritforms should be a guiding beacon of Truth for us, and they show us, what will happen with you when you follow the Laws of Creation.
Remember that you need to learn from wiser people and follow their guidance and explore the handles they give to you in knowledge and wisdom.
Remember to learn for people with a lesser wisdom then yours, remind yourself to learn not to fall back in their mistakes, remember that as a knowledgeable person and knowing about the Truth it has become your duty to guide people with lesser knowledge without interfering with their own free will.
We must learn from Billy that his teachings are the things that count, not his person or spirit per se.
We know about his past incarnations and his origin and what do we need to learn? That over all those millions and billions of years he developed himself to high levels and that we need to do the same, the past is important because of the lessons learned from it, the past is not to be used as some kind of possession in order to impress other people in form an ego-boost.
Always remember that idolization is the seed of a cult-religion.

C. Truth and Knowledge.

What is given by the Spiritual Teachings is the seed of knowledge, nothing more and nothing less, it’s just that.
Seeds that aren’t used will not blossom and even rot away over time.
First, prepare your lands, clean out the garden, sow your seeds and cater them with the attention they need, constant care is necessary, most of all in the beginning when seeds being to blossom in little sprouts, enjoy its tender beauty, yet know its fragile and still vulnerable for wind, rain, cold and heat.
Those little sprouts need to be guarded and protected until they reach a maturity over time when they are tall trees, full of blossom and new seeds.
The same is with knowledge, first your knowledge, wisdom and intelligence will be little, vulnerable to false teachings, which at times appear they are true, in fact they are not, their are wolfs in sheep’s clothing.
The Truth is not hard, people are soft, and when the Truth doesn’t fit their bill, they ignore it, try to suppress it or falsify it.
None of those three actions will succeed because Truth is absolute and will surface any way or the other.

D. Men and Women


Over my short time in this life as a man I have come to a negative conclusion about men and how they think, feel and act towards women.
Its severe everywhere, with real horrifying results in so-called primitive areas like Africa, middle East and Far East.
Many men see women as second best to themselves for many reasons, because of their softness, their less physical strength and their lower position in 'civilization'
Many men on this forum or on the planet will think "he! I am not that type of guy!", I will ask you honestly, can you honestly say that you never ever thought in a demeaning way or manner about women?
Men and Women carry both the exactly same Spiritform, and remember that the future is shaped in the so-called present, so it better should be a future in which Men and Women are equal YET different.
Men and Women have their duties, abilities and tasks according to the Natural-Creative Laws, which compliment each other, and need each other.
Men need to remember that women are equipped with a different brain structure which enables them to be more sensitive to feelings of themselves and others, their thinking process is tailored accordingly, we (us men) need to learn from this, and take this into account when we express ourselves in anyway form or fashion, you wont be any less of a man, but in fact a real man.
Know that when you are in this life a Man that there will be a life when you will incarnate as a woman and that women will incarnate as a man, think by yourself, would you want to live as a women in a world where you are treated second best?..I don’t think so...



Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Truthseeker
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Greetings Jacob,

Thanks for bringing that all up for us, but let I also remind you that not everyone here is in praise of Billy Meier. In fact I kind of see the situation quite differently in that choosing to be a truth-seeker in these matters also for me requires a certain level of independent thinking which is one reason why I still struggle with the idea of actually becoming a FIGU passive member and as much as I may agree with who Billy is and what he say's. I for one choose also not to limit myself in just Billy Meier only material as much as his information may pertain to an absolute truth, and as it is also my understanding that Billy and his Plejaren's don't tell us everything. Billy to me is a person of wisdom, but not as some religious icon, but rather more like a real life character from an adventure movie or series of novels like in "Lord Of The Rings". As a truth-seeker, I've also noticed that there are a few people who limit themselves only to Billy's and the Plejaren's information, when for a long time I've always personally felt there was much more information to be found. Unfortunately it is true that many people see spirituality as a competition rather then something more autonomous and for that reason, many people may feel envious or even intimidated by Billy's wisdom and experiences which gives him an "authority role" when it comes to defining what is truth. I should point out however that I've seen more of this "authority role" in the Plejarens then in Billy, when a few times already the Plejarens later made some changes to some of their former factual statements regarding crop circles, UFO contactees, other ETs, etc. It may not be coming from a place of ego, but still there are always probabilities for error when strong stating actual truths. Unsuspecting individuals may wrongly take Billy and the Plejaran's hard factual approach as coming from a place ego rather then a place of truth regardless of who anyone was in former personality incarnations. Here's an example from say a common religious false Bible quote used by Christians:

"Jesus said unto him "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the father except through me"." (John 14:6)

Now the original may read something like this:

"Jmmanuel said unto him "My teachings are the way, and the truth, and the life. No one contacts my Plejaren father except through me"."

Now getting to the issues of man/woman, I think you also need to realize that yes woman have unfortunately become victims of men, but also realize that many men have also at some point in their lives also become victims of other men. In fewer cases women have become victims of other women and men have become victims of women. Now you know one of my reasons for wanting to leave this Earth on a UFO, since I really do not want to reincarnate back here.

Peace in wisdom,

James Truthseeker
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My dear knowledgeable Jacob

You can’t go round accusing every man of demeaning women just because so many men do. There are some men who do not demean women. There are some women who demean men. I demean women in my fantasies, because I get off on it. But I do not demean women in my behaviour towards them. This is because I am conscious a lot of the time of what I think, and I know what is right thinking and what is not. In this sense, I do not demean women but rather I demean myself, since it is I, in truth, whom I demoralize.

You have made a good point about the spirit within a man reincarnating as a woman. Looking at it this way, who wants to be a woman in this world who is a man? I certainly don’t. I’d sooner be a lesbian than have a relationship with a chauvinist. But men are changing in their attitude towards women (western men, that is). At least that’s what I think. I think the western woman is a woman who demands respect from her male counterpart. And these days especially, what with political correctness (which is a humbug, by the way), human rights and laws, they are asserting themselves with as much vigour as men. And men are having to bear the brunt, just as women used to. In my opinion I see this turnaround as something that men have brought upon themselves over the last two thousand years. Eventually, I like to think, a balance will be found between the sexes. But however long it will take it will never happen if we continue to think of ourselves as men and women. As different as we are, we have one common factor that identifies us as the same species: our being human. A woman who thinks of herself as a woman, and a man who thinks of himself as a man, think of themselves as half human. That is what I say. Because after all, being human means so much more than being just a man or a woman.

JEC
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Jacob

You seem to me to be too serious about life, which is just as bad as someone who worries about the future. I agree that one must endeavour to grow inwardly, to expand consciously and learn to live more creatively. But the meaning of our conscious lives is not simply to evolve, like an ascetic adhering to the laws of Creation for fear that he may have wasted his life. Evolution occurs naturally if we let it. There is no need to burden our consciousness with the passing of time, and with a perfectionist approach to living. As someone who frequently tries to do things to the best of his ability, I can tell you it is a complete headache. It is better to just do what needs to be done without thinking much of it. And if in the end you have done well, then that is enough. There is no urgency, as you seem to think there is. Though time is limited in the material realm that is only of concern to our lives, not to our spirits. Are we then to burden our consciousness with how we should live our lives for the sake of our spirits? I am sure this can become a hindrance. I would rather live imperfectly than try to live perfectly. But more than this, I would rather live according to my natural ability, and for that ability to be improved naturally, without concern for tomorrow, whatever it may bring.

I am a believer in the fulfilment of time; that evolution will fulfil itself at its own pace. Were I to speed up the process and then suddenly find myself dying, I should think myself a failure for not having succeeded. I find that it is better to let time take its course, yet to endeavour according to my natural ability. This, of course, can be more persevering than some, or it can be less persevering. But whichever it is, it is natural.

I don’t agree that one’s future will be good if one’s thoughts, feelings and actions are according to the natural creative laws. Nor do I agree that one will not worry about the future. Did Jmmanuel not fear the circumstances of his future when he knew the Pharisees would persecute him? Can this be said to be good, although he gained an insight from his experiences? The best one can do in regards to the future is not to think about it. By this, however, I do not say that one should deny it. A future such as the one we face needs to be addressed, but not so that we concern ourselves over it.

JEC
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Phaethonsfire
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I knew my posts would stirr up the waters and make people react, thats good!
I am the type of person who make other people react and think, but I respect the thoughts about this and I will think about them.

Dear Truthseeker,

Billy is an example for me, nothing more, nothing less, but then anything in Nature is an example for me how to live and to evolve, its shown every second of my life and beyond.
Creation is the ONLY thing that matters, and if a child would bring me the Truth, then I am finally able to say that I would accept it because its the Truth, and not because its brought by a child.

I cant adhere to your reason to flee from this Earth in a UFO, although I do understand its emotional motivations, I find it irresponsible behavior of any person who thinks this way because it's a mess on this planet, as a Spiritform in a human, you have the duty for yourself and for the whole of mankind and Creation to evolve and to help yourself and everyone else on this planet, even if it equals a little drop of water..a little drop of water does a little, but countless waterdrops will form a Tsunami (Tidal wave), and will wash away the rubble on this Earth and let it shine again.
You have to face the reality just as I do that we are Earth humans (regardless if your Spiritform is extraterrestial origine or not) and we need to turn this Earth and mankind towards the Truth and Wisdom.
We have this duty and we better fulfill it.
For clarity sake, I am not judgeing you, since I am guilty myself.
Dear Truthseeker, always keep thinking and asking questions, its a good thing, I admire that.
I am a seeker of the Truth and I found already portions of the Truth at the age of 12, believe it or not, so I was stunned when I found it confirmed in the Spiritual Teachings and in my own thinking and reasoning.
I sense a sadness in your words, but know that finding the Truth and establishing yourself in it will liberate you from all sadness.

Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Phaethonsfire
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Dear Anonymous,

When certain posts have a very direct Nature and address things directly, people who are affected by it react often with vigor, and dont read the post thoroughly and with an open mind.

You didnt read my post correctly, I said "many men" not "all men", this is a big difference, yet I am stating this information for those who need it, not for the good men who do treat women in Thoughts, Feelings and Actions with the proper respect, but unfortanully, it's a absolute fact that most men, a majority thinks and feels this way about women in a mild or upto a severe extend.
Dear Anonymous, so if you realize just as I do myself that you demean women in thoughts and feelings, is it then not your obligation to remove this from your personality just as it is my obligation to end this major personality flaw in myself?
I am against the political correctness, because of its unbalanced positive nature, I don't agree with the feminist movement since those women are making the exact mistakes like us men did and still do, men and women are created equal, yet different in tasks and obligations, therefor we need eachother in this world.

Demanding respect or anything else is against the Laws of Nature because it comes from a inbalance between two or more parties, respect is given freely and willingly without any negative or positive force, but it comes from a neutrality and knowledge that we all are One, and part of Creation and therefore Creation itself.
Respect comes from the knowledge that we all are One, and that there is no that requires more or less respect, because, how can it be different if we all are One?
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Anonymous,

What you see about me is just a tiny portion of my identity as a person, I enjoy music, the movies, light conversation with people aswel as humor, I as human as the next, in fact, BECAUSE I see life through other eyes then most people do I enjoy it better too, I see more things that remain hidden for others.
When I see around me, with the little knowledge I have, I understand a little more, and that alone gives me a lot of joy that is closed for many.

I dont agree with your statements:

About your statements:
Evolution only occurs naturally when its the case for the Flora and Fauna and microbic life of any form, since this life is not selfaware and unable to evolve in a consicouss manner, the Natural Creative Laws of Creation are responsible for this.
Humans however and all other non-human life with a Evolutionary Spiritform dont follow this path, for our Spiritforms it requires an consicouss effort all the time, as to the best of his or hers abilities.
This means that people need to evolve in a balanced way so they will still be able to live and survive in this world, its simply impossible to do otherwise, people need to address both material and spiritual needs in a way that will enable them to live and prosper in the material world AND to evolve Spiritually.
Never did I say or imply that people need to be perfectionists, I even stated in one of my posts that making mistakes is ESSENTIAL for evolution, so how could this be in accordance with a perfectionist behavior, perfection as people understand it, does not exist, only a relative kind of perfection, which mean that you have to strive for the best possible state of BEING(SEIN) in your life, and that is for everybody different because of the differences in Spiritual evolution.

On this planet we have wasted so much time with letting things go there way and "with due time" that its a big mess, just look around you.
We have very little time anymore.
You should know that everyday your thoughts should be aware of death, this does not mean that you need to be thinking of physical death, but that you try your best to complete to the best of your abilities what you start in life, so there wont be many 'open ends' of unfulfilled dreams and tasks.
Think by yourself, if death is knocking on your door, would you be happier knowing that you have done as much as you can, or that you know that there where many things still incompleted because you didnt do it or let it go in "due time"?

Jmmanual did fear the persecution and he knew because he knew his own future that he would find near death on the cross, this was for him the hardest lesson to learn, it was to overcome his psychological and physical limitations (fear is a natural defense mechanism of the Psyche for selfprotection), and to really know inside and out about the Truth of the Natural Creative Laws.
To overcome fear like this, you need to be highly developed person who is absolutely confident in the truth, and to my knowledge I know only one Spiritform on this planet who is able to do this.

Yes, we do need to concern about the future of this planet, because it is a mess, and it needs to be addressed properly and how it really is, we dont live on a highly developed planet in a human race that lives according to the Natural Laws, we live on Earth with all its false teachings and materialism.

Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Hello Jacob

Before I came upon FIGU, Billy and the spiritual teachings I experienced what I now believe to have been a “true inner palingenesis”. This occurred after thirteen years of self-analysis, reflection and meditation. During these years I did what was in me to do, which was to write about myself, about life, what I thought of it, the observations I made and the experiences I had, and to seek knowledge from books, religions, philosophies, Nature, children, people, life. I made no conscious effort that caused me to exceed myself. These endeavours came naturally to me, even though my writing skills were poor and never previously considered writing seriously. At school my writing was atrocious, my concentration was sorely lacking, and as for wanting to gain knowledge, I left with poor grades and understanding very little. Yet not long after I left school I started to write and sought to understand myself as though they were the most natural things for me to do. And they were. In this sense I evolved naturally, without effort. This is what I meant when I said that evolution occurs naturally. If it is in you to do something, or to be a certain way, then you will do it, and you will be that person. If it isn’t in you to do something, or to be a certain way, then you will not do it, and you will not be that person. For example, I have tried on several occasions to make a conscious effort to learn a second language, and each time I have failed because I don’t have it in me to see it through to the end. Perhaps it is a lack of discipline on my part. I certainly don’t believe that it is genetic, although it may have something to do with it. But as a human being it is my consciousness that ultimately determines who I become, and what I can do. And if I make the effort I have no doubt that I can become someone much better than I am now, and achieve more with my life. So I do agree that a conscious effort is necessary to evolve. But it seems to me that it is not entirely deliberate, but partly natural too. And for this reason I don’t believe that one should be made to feel as though one has to make an effort. Yes, the world needs immediate attention. And, yes, the only way we are going to change it is by changing ourselves. But since discovering FIGU, Billy and the spiritual teachings, I have come to embrace the broader view, which for me is the fulfilment of time. I don’t see a great hurry to get on with things. I believe eventually all justice will be fulfilled, no matter how terrible things are now. We just do what we can, and that is enough.

In answer to your question “If death is knocking on your door would you be happy knowing that you have done as much as you can if you know that there are many things still incomplete because you didn’t do it or let it go in "due time"?” Yes, I would be happy knowing I have done as much as I can. I have lived with the thought of death for years. I had feared dying to the extent that it became a hindrance to my life. But now I am free, and I can honestly say that were I to die tomorrow I would die content knowing that my life was not wasted, that I have become a greater, wiser and better human being. Of course, there is more I would like to do, that I could do. But there is always going to be more. And when you have done more, and the time of your death has come, will you be happy knowing that there are still many things to be done? Why do you hold on to your life so?

JEC
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Hi James T.,

I wholehearted agree being a truth seeker requires independent thinking. Personally, I think Billy is telling the truth; and he is sincere, and the message is the most powerful teaching available. I try to study it and apply it. But, like you, I also look for connections and further info outside the Meier world. For example, I think I have identified telepathic impulse contactees in popular rock n’ roll bands.

But I also agree that you are right that Billy and his aliens are not perfect, and do make mistakes like everybody else. This has been talked about here on this forum many times. I also see Billy and the aliens have taken the “authority role” and this was proper and necessary, and most of the time well executed from my perspective. However, I have also experienced this authority role used incorrectly, form time to time, from Figu members, not mastering the technique.

I consider myself a very happy, smiling, truth seeking, open-minded, friendly, Creational, competitive, and challenging human being. I have had many successes in my life, and seem to excel at anything I put my mind to.

In my youth I showed horses throughout the USA. I traveled to shows nearly every weekend during the various seasons, competing in numerous Western and English equitation, and halter classes, along with reigning and other events. During this time, I don’t even remember going to school much, and was very behind in book learning because I was focusing on my sport.

From the start I was beating my peers and over the years of my youth I dominated my age groups in two different breeds. I won hundreds of first place trophies, and thousands of lower placing ribbons, along with three international championship saddles. Throughout this time, most of my peers were jealous of my hard work and abilities, and found myself with very few childhood friends, except my animals. I let the losers call me names and things, and just distanced myself to focus on better perfecting my skills, and tuned them out.

As an adult I found myself in different jobs, from construction laborer, to auto mechanic, to janitor, to restaurant worker, to department store stocker, to collectible dealer, to economist/ investor, to sales person. For example, the last job I had was a very competitive sales position on a resort island. I was quickly advancing and obtained numerous records, and won many consecutive “sales person” of the month spiff awards. Not unlike other times throughout my life, many of my peers were jealous and often complained; and could not understand how I could be so successful, and made up stories about me. I just tuned them out and focused on my craft. This of course made me even more productive, but further agitated my peers. I finally left a very successful job to avoid this, and did not want to counter them on a personal level, and moved on like many times in my life. I see the same thing happening today in my current job, and am already looking for something new.

What does this have to do with independence, some might say? Others might be thinking, “here goes Dino_slice off on an ego trip, claiming how talented he is, put him into the Figu fire.”

The point: I have put the same type of concentration into learning about Billy Meier and the spiritual teachings as I have put into anything else in my life, maybe even more. I feel I have accomplished something and making good progress; and based on past experience, I probably even excelling beyond the majority interested. I am confident about this based on my observation. However, it often seems Figu authority figures love to point out that I am incorrect. Even when I stop to think about it again, to look at the other side to be sure. I have also seen this happen to other seemingly knowledgeable and sincere people, even some no longer here on this forum. The Kern message seems to be, learn German to understand the “complex” concepts, read the whole Figu library to grasp Billy, get Billy’s Spirit Lessons and newsletter to spiritually evolve, personally translate and publish Billy’s books, donate money to be a part of the mission, and so on and so on… I do not agree with this, and would rather not be a Figu member and contribute to their view of the material, yet I try to avoid religion and strive to understand and apply Creation based on my understanding of the material. The way I personally see it, Billy and his group can kiss my English speaking ass, yet I still love them and respect them, and try to think, and post neutral-positive about them. I feel independent to them yet connected in spiritual pursuit. This is why I visit this forum. Yet, I can understand why they don’t have more members; yet I think they are doing the best job they can nonetheless.

Best regards,
Anthony
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Michael
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Anthony,

Based on what you are saying in your last paragraph, you carry your previously established competitive/comparative attitudes to the realm of studying the Meier material and spiritual teachings. And you express some resentment for what has been pointed out to you by "Figu authority figures".

You also interpret what the "Kern message seems to be" then give a gratuitous insult towards "Billy and his group". I suggest you take your humble self over to Switzerland sometime and see if your perceptions and attitudes are based in fact and clear perception or perhaps just originate from your aptly self-described ego.
Michael Horn
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Phaethonsfire
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Dear JEC,

I still disagree on some of your statements, as you say that we do what we can, I suggest we have an gentlemans agreement on this topic that we disagree.
I would like however state that us humans as individuals, and as a group that we dont do what we can, because we dont know what we have to do (the majority of mankind), we have lost track long ago, and the mess we have made is so severe that we need to do our very best to get the damage at a minimum.
Dont expect a ship without a captian or a ship with a mutiny on its hands that it will find its right course, in both cases there is a captain and strong hands required to get things in order again.

I find this food for thought and another post.

Jacob

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Phaethonsfire
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Dear Anthony,

I read your post several times and I thought about what you said thoroughly before I would answer it.
You have made your post, this is my reaction.

I see three things in you what I want to address:

1. Dominant behavior
2. Egotistical behavior
3. Materialistic behavior

First of all you talk about a socalled 'authority' role of Billy and the 'aliens'??
Where did you get this idea?
Nor Billy, nor the Plejaren people are 'authorities' in the way you put it, they are just very clear with the Truth and how it is expressed, namely in a very direct and hard manner, this is the only way how Earth people can understand it, this because we are deaf to subtle words and tend to disregard them.
People with an very strong material way of thinking, material intellect are offended by it, people with a developing spiritual Intellect are not.
You place yourself consicously or subconsicously above other people because of the things that you have accomplished in your material life, you measure and accumilate the things you gained and you compare it to other people's possesions in material things and how far they have advanced on a social-economical level.
Your selfworth and size of your Ego is equal to the social status and your material goods that you accumilate.
All those things are finite and will get lost over due time, and what will you have then? or when you spend your time living in riches and wealth, what do you have inside of you, meaning of life, understanding? Knowledge, Wisdom? The true treasures of life?
Youre Ego is showing and shows in fact that you are very poor in true understanding and knowledge.
Every human is equal, regardless of social standing, wealth, material possesion, we are all essential the same.
Creation is the highest power in its Universe, absolutely without a single doubt Allmighty, but it never ever resorted to an authority role ever, so why would you think that any of us (all spiritforms in the Universe), would need to do the same?
Think of this, the shroud of a dead man has no pockets. It means that no matter what you have accomplished in the purely material realm you can bring with you in the Spiritual Realm, only Truth, Knowledge and Wisdom can.

Anthony, your mind is still working in a virtually strict material intellect, which doesnt allow you to grasp the truly essential values of the Spiritual teachings and what they really are, for this an at least an developing spiritual intellect is required, and based on your post, which you put here voluntary and out of your own free will, it will take long and hard times for you to grasp the concepts and truth within them.

What I can suggest you is to practice modesty, and put some very serious efforts in trying to learn the Truth without prejudice and to learn with very small steps the basic truths, if you will do that then in due time you will liberate yourself from your self conveiced material prison called your Ego.
The reason why you need to learn German is because the Spiritual Teachings have their full meaning in the German language and much meaning gets lost in translation which is uncoverable, there are more reasons for learning German (and not only the obvious ones, there is more to it)
From this post on I will remain silent towards you, since I dont see the need for any other explanations, then other those said here.

Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Dino_slice
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Hello Jacob,

You seem an authority on me? How could this be?

My ego is showing? I really don't know. But I was trying to make another point. Life is about competition. We see this in nature. I was only trying to display some examples in my life.

I place myself above other people? Maybe? I really don't know. I just try to focus myself on the task, and don't think about being better than anybody else. I just try to be better than myself each time, and then open my eyes and see were I stand. I'm sorry if I want to always beat the score on my computer game. It has nothing to do with placing myself above other people. It is a personal, inward, challenge.

Silent towards me? Why? What did I ever do to you? I enjoy reading your posts, and would be happy to engage you. I'm sorry if I'm poor in understanding and knowledge to you. I really do try my best.

Best regards,
Anthony

How is a carnation modest?
How is mountain peak modest?
How is a gushing river modest?
How is a peakcock modest?
I would really like to know.

Hello Everyone,

Please try and stick to the topic in which this section was created for. Thank you-Moderator
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Phaethonsfire
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Horalft, Arahat Athersata and Petale

Horalft:

The Plejaren High Counsil, named Horalft, are half-course material and half-fine material human beings with an extremely advanced spiritually evolutionary level.
Their 'lifespam' is measured in many thousands of Earth years, they are in knowledge very far above the Wisdom and Knowledge level of an JHWH.
The Horalft live on a fine-matter world in the Andromeda galaxy.

Over billions of years, with the ongoing of the Spiritual evolution, the Spiritform gains in Spiritual Power, Wisdom and Strength, this has its effects on the material body, Psyche and homeworld.
The first effects of a human evolving are ever increasing sensitivity to its surroundings on the physical, psychological and spiritual levels.
These humans use all their 7 senses and they have integrated in their consicousness, their reality of perception is far greater then of mainly material-intellectual humans who rely almost exclusively on their 5 material senses.
People with their 7 senses devoloped and working together have a far greater sense of reality and are able to unify the material/psychological and Spiritual realities together, its ONE reality for them.

Compare this roughly to for example a shark, which has fine electrical senses and is capable of detecting prey because of the electromagnetic field produced by their prey's bodies, even when they are hidden in the sand of the oceanfloor, this is a kind of perception almost completely unknow to humans.

Their Spiritual Intellect enables them to think in both realities (which are in fact ONE reality because they are united)
Increased spiritual and psychological senses are vulnerable for low, disharmonic and uncontrolled vibrations of humans with an evolutionary level compareable to that of Earth humans.
Earth humans are so very numb and insensitive to these kinds of vibrations (since their senses arent developed) that they dont realize this at all.

Compare this to deaf people in a room with loud music, they will be able to feel some low vibrations of the music, but not much else, would a hearing person walk into that room with that loud music, then he would be totally overwhelmed by this loud music.

The Spiritform has a basic vibration which increases in strength and frequency over time and by means of evolution. This vibration will become able to alter space/time and matter, in ways that it becomes less and less dense.
The humanbody of such a Spiritform will alter in its structure and become finer and finer over time, the Spiritform will become so powerfull that the ageing process slows down and the healing capabilities will be enhanced so much that their bodies will become less and less vulnerable for illnesses and diseases.
Its even so that a very high developed humanbeing has such a high Spirit vibration that time and space are slowed down and altered.
Those humans being to become similar again in their facial / body appearance, like primordeal humans with their NewSpiritforms billions of years ago.

When these Humans reach 100% of their Material Intellect and 100% of their Spiritual Intellect then they are by no means perfect in a evolutionary way that they can re-unite with Creation, they are capable of thinking in a 100% logical form, and when they are able to do this then they dont need the material realm anymore.
This evolutionary level is reached in one last life that spans thousands of years, a human is born by natural means, and changes during that very long lifespan from coarse matter to fine matter, until a point is reached that the humanbody is totally 'dissolved' and the Spiritform goes over in to the first level of Pure Spiritform, which is called ARAHAT ATHERSATA.
All people in this human-race are virtually on the same level and already have become an I-US (ICH-WIR) form so they will go over into the pure Spirit realm of Arahat Athersata all together, with this process, the whole planet will become fine-material and dissolve.


ARAHAT ATHERSATA "The valuable one, who observes time"

Arahat Athersata is the name for the first pure spiritlevel, its an universal spiritlevel which means that its existent in all space/time levels that are below it.
The Spiritforms of Arahat Athersata dont have any limits when it comes to penetrating lower Spiritual levels or Material realms, regardless in which dimension of space/time they exist.
Spiritforms in the realm of Arahat Athersata form a socalled ICH-WIR form, which means that all their actions, feelings(empfindungen), and thoughts are in complete syncronisation and harmony with eachother, there is no contradiction whatsoever.
There is only Wisdom, Love, Knowledge and Truth in BEING(SEIN)

Arahat Athersata is composed out of 7 (ICH-WIR) Spiritform collectives; they are:

1. Urjel - Guardian over all forces of Nature
2. Rufael - Guardian over all Human Spiritforms, animals, plants, and everything that lives.
3. Raguel - Guardian over all what lives against the Laws and commandments of Creation and its 7-fold laws.
4. Mjkel - Guardian over all what lives according the Laws and commandments of Creation and its 7-fold laws.
5. Sarakel - Guardian over all teachings and evolution of Human Spiritforms and over all evolution of what lives.
6. Gabrel - Guardian over all worlds of low and high development in all space/time dimensions and their boundries.
7. Kerubel - Guardian over all remaining life, whenever Spiritual or Material, all other forces and life in the Universe.

These names are for socalled Spiritform collective which have each their own tasks.

THEY ARE !!!NOT!!! IN ANYWAY OR ANY FORM EQUAL TO HELPING ANGELS, OR HELPER SPIRITS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEY DO NOT RELATE TO ANYTHING DESCRIBED IN CULT-RELIGION.

Spiritual evolution in the pure Spiritlevels occurs by creating of Truth, Knowledge and Wisdom in 100% Logic, pure Logic creates pure Logic without the need of making mistakes, making mistakes is exclusively a evolution factor for the Material Realm.
Only human races with the evolutionary level of Horalft are able to send and receive Spiritual telepathic impulses towards this level.

Its possible from humans to only receive Spiritual-telepathic impulses from this level, but it requires an control of spiritual telepathy way beyond anything found on Earth.
Spiritual Telepathy is a appears like symbols, shapes and colors in the material consicousness, those symbols, shapes and colors are of such a high concentration of information that the current human evolution is unable to understand it.

PETALE "Crown of Creation / Wheel of Time"

Petale is the human name for the very last Pure Spiritual level before becoming ONE with Creation itself, the Petale level is an ultra-high Spiritual level that is more powerful, more wise, more knowledgeable then any other Spiritual level or Spirifform collective except Creation itself, they have no boundries, can do everything and anything, except creation of NewSpiritform, this is only for Creation itself.
Spiritforms in the Petale Level are near perfect and on the edge on rejoining with Creation itself.


Petale is composed out of 4 (ICH-WIR) Spiritform collectives; they are:

1. Mjkael - The kind one and patient one
2. Rubael - The one who guards over all illnesses, hurt and wounds of all humans
3. Gabrjel - The one who guards over all forces.
4. Fanuel - The one who guard over all chance and over all hope of those who live according to the Natural Creative Laws

These names are for socalled Spiritform collective which have each their own tasks.

THEY ARE !!!NOT!!! IN ANYWAY OR ANY FORM EQUAL TO HELPING ANGELS, OR HELPER SPIRITS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEY DO NOT RELATE TO ANYTHING DESCRIBED IN CULT-RELIGION.
THEY ARE NOT TO BE PRAYED TO OR WORSHIPED IN ANY FORM.


Another difference between both pure Spiritlevels is that Petale is more 'unified' then Arahat Athersata, and each of their collectives have more tasks then those of Arahat Athersata.

Its very important to know that NEITHER of both pure Spiritlevels are in any way equal to Gods or helping Spirits, or Angels, or what ever mentioned in Cult-Religion.
Likewise that there are wise people like Spiritleaders, Prophets, Elo-JHWHs and JHWHs in the material realm, who teach and guide other people who need to be thought in a suggestive/free-will form, the levels of Arahat Athersata and Petale have similar tasks, amongst many others unknown to me, the main difference is that they are doing their tasks from a purely spiritual realm.

Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Michael_d
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Hello Jacob,

You said: "...there are more reasons for learning German (and not only the obvious ones, there is more to it)." Could you please elaborate?

I have wondered if learning German in this lifetime, even if not fully mastered, would be beneficial to finding and learning the spirit lessons in the next incarnation.
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Phaethonsfire
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Hi Michael,

The main reason about learning German is that you will be able to read the Spiritual Teachings in its native language (German), but also that you:
A. Are able to learn consicously from the text and can think and learn from the concepts, laws and directives in the texts.
B. There is an code interwoven in the German text only and when read, from start to finish, this will activate impulses from the Akasha chronicles which will start to work in you on a subconscious level and according to your Spiritual evolutionary level.

Learning German itself has not a benefit to _finding_ the Spirit lessons, but to learning the Spirit lessons, because they will be still in German.
If you keep on track with finding, Truth, Knowledge and Wisdom in this life and are really comitted in this lifespan, then you will have a very good chance to find your way back to the Spirit lessons in the next, because your next incarnation will be more in surroundings that are open to finding the Truth, its how ever your new personality, your upbringing in that life, the things going on in the world at that time and many influences more, that will determine if you will find your way back or not, but with learning the Spirit lessons in this life, your chances will be much much higher.
What you do in this life has a very strong influence on the next life.
By far most Spiritforms on this planet arent able to pre-determine their next life in detail because they havent reached the appropiate Spiritual evolution for that, and there are many factors which has a strong influence on the next incarnation, like the overwhelming overpopulation on this planet, which is responsible for letting Spiritforms incarnate too early or at the wrong place.
The benefit of learning German this life will be that eventhough you will need to learn German in the next life in order to consicously to understand the Spirit lessons, that it will be much easier in the next life, because you will trigger impulses from the Akasha chronicles on a subconsicous level that will aid you in understand German much faster then.
The reason for those impulses are that you have done the bulk of the work in this life, and that gets stored in the Akasha-chronicles, when you relearn German in the next, you will subconsicously use that what is learned about German in the next life.

I hope this helps
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Mhurley
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Following that, can anyone recommend any CDs/books on teach yourself German?

Does the FIGU do one:-)

Matt
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Pureharmony
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Hey Matt!
I found very useful this "Instant Immersion" German audio 8 CD set. It is nice getting used to hearing the words, you automatically absorb much of the information, pronunciation and sentence structures.
http://www.bassettandbrush.com/clients/topics_website/germanfullset.htm
Then i also bought a really good German grammar book "Langenscheidt's Pocket Grammar" , excellent.

~Pureharmony



*pureharmony*
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Der_beobachter
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Hello Matt and everyone,
LEARNING GERMAN AT YOUR HOME FOR FREE.

If you want to learn German using your computer this is a goof hint.Here is a nice link where you can learn German FOR FREE with free lessons and sounds.

Learning German for free

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Intermediate

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Business German


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Please enter here:
This is the link for Deutsche Welle (TV and Radio German Broadcasting Website)

http://www.dw-world.de/english/0,3367,2547-0-0-S,00.html

Saalome my friend and Enjoy the website
Der Beobachter Edelweiß
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Edward
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Hi Knowledgeable Jacob...


Welcome To the FIGU-board.

I have been Observing and Enjoying Your Tremendous Knowledge and
Wisdom. You add a "Dimension of Fresh Air" into this FIGU-board which was
Needed for some time now...is my opinion. I appreciate your presence here
very much..understanding that you have done a great study of the Teachings
of the Spirit and All that concerns this matter.
It is very good to know that there is Finally someone that is a Passive-
member that can Share their Knowledge and Wisdom with those here on this
board in search for Truth. But than...I mean Truly...The Truth...IN
DETAILS! You are a Great Contribution...to this Board.

Keep posting your Knowledge; you Confirm many Facts...that I have Known for
a long time throughout my Lifetime, and your supplements are also
worth-wild to absorb into my Spirit-Consciousness!

Ga zo door mijn goede vriend. Leer de mensen hier op dit Discussie-board de
Echte Feiten en Waarheid van de Leer van Het Geest...en Het Schepping.

Een Genieter van jouw Studie en Wijsheid!

Goede Gezondheid...

Edward.
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Mjjkael
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Hi Matt...There are many ways to get to the goal. What I've chosen to do is scan the German material that I'm interested in...for example, if you would be taking the Spirit Lessons. After correcting the scanning errors I copy and paste the German into a translation program called Global Link after which point I print out the rough translation in a numbered, sentence by sentence format (one sentence in German and then its English translation). I then read the German, compare it to the English, underline the words I'm not sure of, get out the best dictionary that I have found to date...the Unabridged Harper Collins German Dictionary with over 800,000 entries and translations and get to work deciphering the material. If I get stuck I question my German friends. This process is getting easier over time...but requires persistance, focus, time and a desire to find out. The reason I have chosen this method is that I can learn German and study the teachings at the same time. In addition I took grade 10 and 11 German class offered to adults at a local secondary high school. This gave me a basic grasp of some of the grammer as well as the correct pronunciation of the various letter combinations.

MU
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Phaethonsfire
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Thank you Edward, I honestly don't know what to say, other then that I will keep on posting to the best of my knowlegde.
I will do my best, thank you, I am glad its appriciated :-)

Je Nederlands is best goed, ben je Nederlander of heb je dat geleerd?

Good health to you and everybody else.

Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Lonnie
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Hi Jacob,

I, too, would like to take this opportunity to express my appreciation for your contributions to the forum. Obviously, you have been studying the teachings for many years.

Perhaps, some of us will see you at the Center, in the near future.

Regards,
Lonnie Morton

PS - Do you have a nickname, or any other name that you like to use besides Jacob?
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Phaethonsfire
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Dear Group,

I want to thank you all for the warm welcome I got here on the board.
However, I truly think that everybody needs to realize that I am just a student like everybody else, my knowledge has its limitations.
I find it extremely important for people to seriously consider following the Geisteslehrebriefen, even though they are in German, they are an opportunity to advance quite rapidly in this lifetime when studied seriously.
The Geisteslehre is a lifetime study that never ends.
I am happy though to be on this forum and to be able to inspire people into the Geisteslehre.
I encourage you all to always keep thinking, always keep seeking, and never believe anything on face-value alone.

Jacob

PS. When I chose the name Phaethonsfire I had chosen it because I got it from the Greek mythology, I really didnt know until recently that it was the same name for the destroyed planet Malona.
The only thing I still need to do is to buy Namensbucher since I dont know the meaning of my birthname Jacob (except for the religious meaning)

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Markc
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Hi Jacob ;

According to the namenbucher ,
Jakoobus means :
" De auf guten FUssen steht" The "U" is with an umlaut .

Jakoobjn means : " Der auf realem Boden steht".
These are the only two that match .


Salome , Mark
Mark Campbell
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Phaethonsfire
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Thanks Mark.

I think Jakoobjn is the original version of my name Jacob.
Its sounds good too.

Saalome,

Jakoobjn
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Marc
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Hi Mark and Jacob,

As I understand it from Billy's Book of Names, the double vowels only indicate an emphasis on that particular vowel or syllable, while the actual spelling would not necessarily be with the double vowel.

For instance, Jakoobjn would actually be written as "Jakobjn". The emphasis is on the "o", so phonetically we might write it as (yah-KOB-in) or (yah-KO-bin). I think if you look at that entry, you'll see the two forms of the name written next to each other (or on top of each other, I can't remember.)

I believe the same goes with "Salome" which is the actual spelling, yet many write it as "Saalome" showing the spoken emphasis on the "a". I'm pretty sure this is the case, but if anyone knows differently, please let me know.

Regards,
Marc
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Edward
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Hi All...

This is mentioned concerning The Peace Meditation:

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!

Peace be on Earth, and among all beings!


Concentrate solely on the sentence "Salome gam nan . . ." Should you catch
yourself concentrating on other thoughts, return to focusing on the
meditation sentence. A very important point for the success of the peace
meditation is based on the proper intonation and pronunciation of the
sentence to avoid emphasizing the wrong syllables.

The vowels in the following meditation sentence -

"Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!"

are pronounced in English phonetics as follows:

Saalome (aa = father) gum naan (aa = father) ben uurda (uu = crew, moo) gun
neeber asaala (aa = father) hesporona (o = tone, go).


Edward.
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Edward
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Hi Jacob...and All...

And concerning Jacob.

In our dictionary here: Jacob = Jakob; which is the grandson of Abraham..
thus IS Jacobus = Jakobus.

Jacob - Yacob - Yahcob - Iacob - Iahcob.
Jakob - Yakob - Yahkob - Iakob - Iahkob.

Thus...Jacobijn = Jakobijn = Jacobin =Jakobin. Which is a different
name...and meaning.

Jacobijn - Yacobijn - Yahcobijn - Iacobijn - Iahcobijn.
Jacobin - Yacobin - Yahcobin - Iacobin - Iahcobin.
Jakobin - Yakobin - Yahkobin - Iakobin - Iahkobin.


Thus, in "Billy's Book of Names" they both should Indeed have different
meanings...as Mark has mentioned. As I do not have the book, thus can not
confirm the results.

Hope this helps abit...


Edward.
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Phaethonsfire
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Thanks Marc, Markc, and Edward, I am concluding that my original name is Jakobjn, because its closest to Jacob.
I like its meaning :-)

Saalome.
Jakobjn
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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ANNOUNCEMENT:

Group,

I have created an closed(invitation-only) Yahoo group with an specific function of accumilating all Spiritual knowledge, Spiritual Wisdom and the Natural Creative Laws, this group is accesible for registrered members of the English, German and Italian FIGU forum ONLY, provided that they give their first name, emailaddress and FIGU forum username.
Nobody else will be accepted, no exceptions.

All members will be able to lookup all stored knowledge and to post additional knowledge, to enrich the accumilated database, everyone is totally equal and can say if information is incorrect or not.
If errors are found in the information provided, then the member(s) who find these error(s) most post this as an message for everyone to read in the messagelist.
After general consensus (agreement) that there needs to be an adjustment / revision of the faulty text then this will be done by me, the groupowner/moderator.
This group will not be used as an discussionsforum.

Storage will be in .rtf format which is accesible for Mac and Windows users alike and do not require additional software.
All files will be scanned by Norton Antivirus 9 or later in order to prevent virusses, althought the Groupowner uses a Macintosh, he will do anything in his power to prevent virusses from spreading.
Only the groupowner or moderator(s) may upload text files in the files section in order to prevent chaos.

Designated for discussion will be the English/German/Italian forums of www.figu.org

All messages will relate to newly added knowledge and wisdom and corrections of faulty knowledge.
So all members will have an active role in increasing the amount of knowledge and wisdom accumilated in this group, and everyone will have access to all data as long as they are member of the FIGU-forums (US/DE/IT)
This group is NOT a substitute for the FIGU-forums, but an addition.

Last I want to state that this group is brandnew at time of this writing (8/3/2004) so I have to upload a lot of information to it still.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/akasha-chronicles/

So you can see this new yahoo group (akasha-chronicles) as the collective memory and the FIGU forums (http://www.figu.org/cgi-local/forum/us/discus.cgi) as the active mind.

I hope people will help me with this initiave, thats the only way it will work.

Email me for access: j.smits@mac.com
Jakobjn

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Additonal info on my post of "Horalft, Arahat Athersata and Petale"

According to Billy in 'Leserfragen'
The seven (7) spiritform collectives:

1. Urjel - Guardian over all forces of Nature
2. Rufael - Guardian over all Human Spiritforms, animals, plants, and everything that lives.
3. Raguel - Guardian over all what lives against the Laws and commandments of Creation and its 7-fold laws.
4. Mjkel - Guardian over all what lives according the Laws and commandments of Creation and its 7-fold laws.
5. Sarakel - Guardian over all teachings and evolution of Human Spiritforms and over all evolution of what lives.
6. Gabrel - Guardian over all worlds of low and high development in all space/time dimensions and their boundries.
7. Kerubel - Guardian over all remaining life, whenever Spiritual or Material, all other forces and life in the Universe.

These 7 (seven) spiritform-collectives are not at the same level but each spiritform-collective is its own evolutionlevel.
All 7 seven spiritform-collectives form the pure-spiritform realm of Arahat Athersata.
So on each of those 7 (seven) levels has one (1) corresponding pure-spiritform-collective.
Each of those pure-spiritform-collective is an collective of countless pure-spiritforms working as a whole or individual.

Details about the sixth level of Spiritual Evolution:

6.1 Horralft
6.2 Arahat Athersata
6.2 unknown
6.3 unknown
6.4.unknown
6.5 unknown
6.6 Petale
6.7 unknown

These are the details I have found on the FIGU website (leserfragen)

I am constantly searching and improving my information, so it will be possible that I have to correct or enhance my posts.



Jakobjn

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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With this post I want to tell the importance about following the Spiritlessons and Spiritual Teachings, there is an enormous advantage to be gained by learning German and learning the Spirit teachings as good as possible.
Everybody should decide on their own, but I think that 0Semjase has an interesting thing to say about the spirit teachings.


Plejadisch-plejarische Kontaktberichte Block

It is written in contact 73 on page 424 in this book as follows:


Semjase : Jene, welche sich daher jetzt unter unserer Anleitung darum bemühen, erlangen dadurch einen unerhörten Vorteil und die Möglichkeit einer schnelleren Evolution die sie nach dem nächsten Leben um rund 124 Jahre in der Bewusstseins- und Geistentwicklung voranbringt, wodurch sie zu einer Elite werden, die sich in spateren Zeiten langsam als Geistfuhrung der Erde entwickelt, wonach dann durch sie die Geistfuhrung der Erde ausgeführt werden kann.

Semjase: Everyone at this time who is actively occupied with the (Spirit teachings), will gain an incredible advantage and the possibility for an faster evolution which will bring them after the next life about 124 years further in consicousness and spiritualdevelopment, to which they will develop as an elite, after which in later time the Spiritleaders of Earth will develop, after which they will execute the Spiritual leading of Earth.

Jakobjn

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Hello Jacob,

How much time do you estimate it would take for someone familiar with the German language to adequately learn the Spirit Lessons?

124 years of spiritual development in a lifetime might not seem like a lot for a person with a life-expectancy of 75-100 years. However, it is quite a bit considering that the Plejarans are a couple thousand years in advance of us in material development but a couple of million years in advance of us in spiritual development. By this it is clear that our spiritual development is quite retarded.
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Hello Michael

When you start the spirit lessons you will get 12 lessons in a year, divided 3 times per year in 4 lessons each, so for each lesson you have one month time.
With an good familiarity of the German language you will be able to follow it as indicated.
According to the 'average' Earth human evolution, 1 spirit lesson can be learned in 1 month when the student commits to 3 hours and 58 minutes per week of learning 1 spirit lesson in 1 month.
So 15 hours and 28 minutes per month for 1 spiritlesson is the guideline.

Michael, in a year you will receive spirit-lessons 1-4, 5-8 and 9-12, during a whole year, you can study German in such a way that after a whole year your German will be more then adequate to follow the spirit-lessons.
You can study this in tandem.

My note about the 124 evolution jump is actually very positive.
The knowledge contained in the Spirit-lessons and in the Spiritual teachings in the books and writings are an extraordinary opportunity to really evolve fast in this lifetime (every member of this forum who studies the spiritlessons will confirm this), you have to be aware that most average people who are not aware of the FIGU and the teachings will evolve very slowly due to religious beliefs or an materialistic attitude.
This doesn't mean however that people like you and me who have access to the teachings can sit down and relax, the spirit-lessons and Spiritual teachings require, searching, finding, thinking and a lot of patience.
Important is also that the spirit-lessons have to be processed in small steps, because your consciousness wont be able initially to grasp more, this will come over time.
Compare it to eating a juice stake, if you try to eat the whole thing at once, you will choke on it, besides the taste is less and you wont enjoy it.
Much better is to cut up the stake in small pieces and eat every piece one by one and chew them good, this how things go in Nature.
This may sound like an crude analogy, but my statement is clear, and also you can see that spiritual wisdom can be found everywhere, you just have to look.
This is the only way to gain knowledge, if you would read the spirit-lesson and would say 'amen' to them without thinking about its contents, then this is just one inch shy of believing.

People still think too much in terms of 'less' or 'more', it doesn't work that way in Spiritual evolution, terms apply more like 'less far' or 'far advanced', etc. like in a horizontal framework.
All spirit-forms are equal in their Creation, from New-Spirit to Petale, their difference is their age which expresses in their knowledge, wisdom and love, thats all.
People should forget the terms 'higher' and 'lower', because too much hierarchical thinking is involved here.
A human with more knowledge and wisdom develops in himself the altruistic universal love and mindset to aid less advanced humans in their evolution by reaching them the tools and abilities how to find the truth and knowledge out of themselves, so no dependancy is created from the less evolved person to the further evolved person.

The 124 years are 124 years and every step that brings me closer to home (Creation) is one.
The Earth humans are not retarded, we are just young, like many of us in the Universe, you can't see them because like us, they dont have developed space travel yet.
Jakobjn

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Hi Jakobjn,

I like to add that for those thinking to start studying the spirit lessons, should start as soon as they have an opportunity to do so, as this is a lifelong study. The first lesson was written in 1975 and by 2003 more than 300 of these lessons (lehrbriefe) were written , and more are continuously written . So for somebody starting today , receiving 12 lessons per year, it will take 25 years just to work through 300 lessons.

Regards
Kaare
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Hello Jakobjn,

I think that 124 years is a very big leap, and a positive achievement after just one lifetime.
Will it furthermore be correct to say that a person actively occupied with spirit lessons in this life time, will more that likely do so in the next lifetime as well and another leap will then take place.? So that the initial leap of 124 years after one lifetime, will over several lifetimes, grow to become a far bigger leap, subject that the person becomes actively occupied with the spirit lessons, in each of the subsequent future lifetimes?

Regards
Kaare
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Kaare,

People in this lifetime who obtain the spiritual teachings and study them thoroughly will build up an advantage of 124 years after the next life.
This means that people in this life who study the spiritual teachings closely will most likely find the the truth again in the next life, dependant on their personal attitude, surroundings and upbrining in that next life.
It's an constant effort.
The people who will follow the spiritual teachings in this life and in the next life, will slowely but certainly grow in to an 'elite' and initially enhance their advancement even further.
They will become the Spiritual leadership so to say of the Earth humanrace in the future.
In the distant future, the difference between this elite and the rest of the Earth humanrace will dissapear because the Natural Creative Laws of Love and Evolution require that the Earth humanrace will form an collective and in that collective, all humans, e.g. spiritforms will be more or less on the same evolutionary level.
Jakobjn

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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(sorry long post ahead) Hi, i haven't posted here yet. But seeing as i've been interested in meier for a year or so i figure its time to start. (im 21/m/uk by the way) there's two things i want to ask.

1.) What are you reading to know all this stuff. I'm wanting to purchase a book on billy's spirtual teaching to see what he says, however i don't even know if there is such a book also i only speak english. I understand alot of billy's writings are still in German, is this the case? What would you recommend me to buy to learn more about it. I am familiar with the whole contactee story, but not so deeply the spirtual teachings. any recommendations are greatly appreciated.

2.) i have read much on billy's thoughts on religion, pretty much all of it reflects my own thoughs on the subject. But never have i been able to find much on his views of buddhism (true buddhism) which really can't be classed as a religion in the modern sense of the word.

I only ask this as much of what billy teaches (and what i read here) is very much the same as buddhist schools of thought. More so i find his spiritual teachings to be lined solidly with the same structure of Toaism. in particular the fact that toaism also states a universal 'creation' they refer to it as the 'supreme Ultimate' they also stated the we were each idividual pieces of this universal creation and in turn, all part of the same thing. As mentioned in this thread they also gained all of there wisdom through observing the world and evolved like the buddha's through observing their material bodies and nature.
i.e. as we here know, the whole reason for the material universe, for US - to observe, learn and evolve from/ and go back to our origin. Buddhism calls this origin of everything - ''Nothing''- you/we know this as creation. basically they mean the same thing. creation creates everything in existance - so - in itself is nothing (might have to think about that). but basically what buddhists and toaist say is EXACTLY the same thing

I really have to sign off for the night (i'm not at all finished yet) but would love to hear you're thoughts on this and talk more tommorrow.

Something i also must ask. Toaism was formed thousands of years ago. It was introduced to certain sections of asian society by people decribed as the 'suns of reflected light' and 'sons of the seven stars'. these people were at the time, were described as very tall 7 feet on average (in Asia obviously, this is odd) and wore strange clothes that had never been seen before. No-one knows where they came from or where they went. But we know through old texts that this fact. they were also responsible for teaching unknown skills to so with making metal allow etc (as an example). Has billy ever given imformation on this topic before, out of interst. Damn out of time, have to dash. Will talk more on this tomorrow.

thanks for replies in advance

Olly.
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Phaethonsfire
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Dear Olly,

Most of the books about the Spiritual teachings of FIGU and Eduard Meier 'Billy' are still only available in German, except the Talmud Jmmanuel.

This book is my recommended reading for you, this book can be found here:

http://shop.figu.org/index.php?cPath=63_51_52

Also, if you have trouble ordering since this site is in German I would advice you to email to : info@figu.org

They will also answer emails in the English language.

Greetings
Jakobjn

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Hi Olly,
I seem to remember reading somewhere, perhaps the Contact Notes, that of all earth religions, the one closest to actuality is Hinayana (Theravada) Buddhism. I am not completey certain of this. Can anyone else clarify this?
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Hello Olly and welcome,

Here are some of my favorite spiritual texts from FIGU that are on this website:

- Introduction to the Spiritual Teachings (Semjase at the 10th contact) http://www.figu.org/us/spiritual_teaching/introduction.htm
- Life in Spiritual and Physical http://www.figu.org/us/spiritual_teaching/life_in_spiritual.htm

And the interviews with Billy are also really good with lots of interesting consciousness related information and I feel that they are good overviews aswell:

- An Interview - Spiritual Teachings http://www.figu.org/us/spiritual_teaching/interview.htm
- An Interview - The Mission http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/interview.htm
- The Truth About Billy Meier - ´UFO BILLY
http://www.figu.org/us/figu/billy_meier/interview.htm

These texts like so many others can be read over and over, and I often find some thing new every time that helps me to understand better and confirm things.

I sometimes use the search function (magnifying glass on the right lower side) to search for info on any subject which has often lead me to interesting texts.
And the discussionboard search engine is good to find different viewpoints.

There are also a few leaflets that are translated on different subjects that you can find on the new FIGU On-line shop (and in the FIGU pricelist page 45).
Here is the link to the On-line shop - leaflets:
http://shop.figu.org/index.php?cPath=63_51_53

My favorites there for spiritual info are:
- 49 Questions with Answers
- Occult forces

Enjoy.

Salome,
Claes

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Thanks everyone for your suggestions i'll certainly be looking at all those links.
As for David, indeed i was refering to Theravada Buddhism. This was the original/true/only version and as such un-warped by people's later insistance to convert it to fit in with their 'God' religions (many in the past have tried to combine them). This obviously being insane, as the theravada buddhism uses Logic and insight to reject such a primitive concept, as one of its realisations.

I hadn't realised billy has actually noted its similarity, which would certainly make sense. Its focus on evolving through insight and meditation (not faith) are so in fitting with his imformation.

As for my last question has he ever mentioned those 'figure's' that introduced Toaism all those years ago in ancient texts, just out of interest?
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Greetings Olly,

Just wondering if you're aware of the relationship and similarities between Theravada Buddhism and Tibetan Dzogchen. In fact one may say these are kind of one in the same but with different names.

Peace in being,

James Truthseeker
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Norm
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Ollyb, You can get the English versons of books some of the books from Steelmark.

http://www.steelmarkonline.com

http://www.theyfly.com


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Hi Olly...Welcome to the FIGU-board.

Some very very interesting information for you.

This is what was mentioned by Michael Hesemann during his reseach on
The Billy Meier Case.

"As a young man he(Billy) visited 42 countries, mostly as a hitchhiker. He arrived at the Ashoka-Ashram in Mehrauli near New Delhi to study Buddhism. The Ashoka Mission there, founded by King Ashoka in the 3rd Century B.C., is the oldest Buddhist school. Its leader today is the highly respected V.B. Dharmawara, who recently celebrated in California his 109th birthday in good health."

Pity is seems that Michael Hesemann's website is down?? He has very good information on Billy.


And from "An Interview with "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier"

question 17 - Where did you get your vast amount of knowledge?

"Prior to completing my official school years, Sfath occasionally brought me to the vicinity of Darjeeling, India, in the Himalayas. An old Buddhist monk lived there who also instructed me in many disciplines, as did several other monks when I had occasion to live in India. Yet, I always studied on my own initiative and did so even later in life, when a female extraterrestrial
named Asket came to Earth from our parallel universe, called the DAL Universe, to instruct me."


Edward.
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Hello Jacob,

I agree with your analysis of the Iraq situation and now have a better understanding of the difference between a "mistake" and "acting against better knowledge" (e.g. with fault).

You wrote previously about neutralizing mistakes and the consequence of not neutralizing them in the given lifetime (the mistakes are carried forward into the next incarnation). But what about acting with fault? If the proper reparations are not made, what are the consequences to the next incarnation? And in the Iraq situation, what about the thousands of lost lives? I don't see how that loss and suffering can be neutralized or repaired without heavy "karmic debt".

Thanks for your patience.
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Hallo

can somebody explain
if celibacy(no sex, no masturbation)
is of some use (spiritual)
or it is just another false teaching ???
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hallo

does anybody can explain
1- if through the reincarnations
a male is always a male or the spirit
can reincarnate as male or female?

2-do all the other living beings(plants, animals, etc) have an inmortal spirit???

thanks
and see you soon !!
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Jay
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Memo00,

A Person can reincarnate as male or female depending on what experience it wants to fulfill.

Nature and its enviroments, plants and animals are all part of a different type of creation for the evollution of the planet in which it is located. To help evolve the planet through their own evollution.
Saalome and BE WELL to ALL :-)
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Hello,

1. The human spirit is an evolutionary spiritform which collects knowledge and wisdom during countless incarnations over time, the human spirit consists of absoluteltly neutral energy (+/-) in perfect balance, yet for the evolutionsake both the positive principle (male) and the negative principle (female) need to be understood and that is done by incarnation as a woman and then as a man, it depends largely on this level of evolution and things you have to learn which determine your gender in the next life. So every man will be a woman in a following life ( not perse the next) and every woman will be a man in a next life, this until the time in evolution when a human body is not needed any more.

2. All animals with a brain have an instinct-impulse driven spiritform which have their own incarnation cycle, but doesnt evolve like a human-spiritform, some higher plant life (certain trees),have a spiritforms too, those are also instinct-impulse driven like the animal spiritform, its absolutely impossible that a human-spiritform can incarnate as a animal or plant, and no animal or plant spiritform can ever incarnate in a human. Microbic life (bacteria, virusses, amoeba, etc) are driven by cosmic-electromagnetic life-energy, much like the fertilized egg of a human until the 21st day.
Jakobjn

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Phaethonsfire
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Total celibacy is not normal since the human has NORMAL sexual urges, and masturbation helps to releave the human of his/hers normal urges.
Sexual relief by means of masturbation is actually good for psyche and body.
However showing restrained from sex during times of spirtual study is recommended, yet not mandatory.
Celibacy in the cult-religious way is totally non-sense since it denies people their natural sexual desires and make people think its abnormal, which is not (with exception of sexual abominations like sodomy, SM, etc)
Jakobjn

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Michael,

Solely positive and solely negative actions, thoughts and feelings are not logical, and depending on their nature and their scale can 'live on' a long time, even for hundreds of years, it works like throwing a boomerang, everything you do will come back to you sooner or later and will hit you, if you don't do anything to undertake proper action to neutralize its effects.
In case of the Iraq war, you can compare Bush actions like throwing a stone in the middle of a pond..the waves will first spread out and disrupt the tranquil surface, hit the edge of the pond, and resonate back right to the source hitting it hard.
The water-surface will be in turmoil for a long time and provided that not another stone is thrown in.
Everything and everyone in that pond is affected by the waves, and can cause their own ripples in the water.

I hope this is clear, feel free to ask.
Jakobjn

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Savio
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Hi Jacob

What are higher plant lives?

Can you name some of those please?

Do you mean that normal plants do not have a spirit or a collective spirit?

Thanks :-)

Savio


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Savio,

Higher Flora-life like the gaint-sequoia (Sequoia sempervirens), Larix tree, etc are complex and driven by a impulse-instinct spiritform.
Im nature you can see that several higher plants and trees have self-defense mechanisms which can cope with attacks from insects and animals, and have the ability to fight them off with secreting poisons on those specific places.
Damage is repaired by resins secreted by the damaged tissue.
This behavior is driven by a impulse-instinct driven spiritform.

I hope this clearifies
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Hello Jacob,

Is the failure to act in accordance with one's knowledge potentially as damaging as acting against one's knowledge? They appear one in the same.

In a hypothetical case, let us suppose that through a person's living and searching he becomes aware of the Billy Meier case, and through logic and reasoning he realizes the truth in the teachings. Additionally, this person reads Contact 251 and the Henoch prophecies and witnesses the exact events prophesized unfolding before his very own eyes. Of course a prophecy is not a prediction and is subject to change. However, by studying world events and trends and observing that all the requisite events are unfolding without challenge, the person concludes that WWIII will very likely commence in November 2006 as prophesized. Now, being that the person lives in a major metropolitan area in the country responsible for the circumstances that would cause the prophesized war, would it be a fault of this person not to act on his knowledge and create a plan to find a "safer" place to live before the prophecy becomes a prediction? Was not a similar thought process one of the reasons why Billy Meier bought and developed his farm?
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Savio
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Hi Jacob

Thanks for the explanation :-)

Another question pops up: As general/usual plants/vegetables do not have a impulse-instinct driven spiritform, what would be the mechanism behind the fact that music/good will can bring forth better growth?

Saalome

Savio
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Hello Jacob,

Is the failure to act in accordance with one's knowledge potentially as damaging as acting against one's knowledge? They appear one in the same.

In a hypothetical case, let us suppose that through a person's living and searching he becomes aware of the Billy Meier case, and through logic and reasoning he realizes the truth in the teachings. Additionally, this person reads Contact 251 and the Henoch prophecies and witnesses the exact events prophesized unfolding before his very own eyes. Of course a prophecy is not a prediction and is subject to change. However, by studying world events and trends and observing that all the requisite events are unfolding without challenge, the person concludes that WWIII will very likely commence in November 2006 as prophesized. Now, being that the person lives in a major metropolitan area in the country responsible for the circumstances that would cause the prophesized war, would it be a fault of this person not to act on his knowledge and create a plan to find a "safer" place to live before the prophecy becomes a prediction? Was not a similar thought process one of the reasons why Billy Meier bought and developed his farm?
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Dear Savio,

I honestly dont know much about this field, I do know that Hard Rock music has lots of low frequency sounds in the 100 hz range which have an negative effect on Plant growth and Classical music usually doesnt have lots of 100hz sounds in it.
Those low frequency vibrations seem to have an negative effect on the plant growth.


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Hi Jacob

Thanks all the same :-)

I remember it was mentioned some where that animals and plants have colletive spiritforms, I wonder if it applies to all or just some higher evolved ones only.

Saalome

Savio
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Let's talk about the act of Jealouy (being jealous)
Can any body say something about jealous and or similar misunderstanding between lovers, or partners that results into what we all know today as 'jealous'?

On the German speaking forum of the FIGU there are discussions on this subject, and these are my responses. I have been asked by honorable writer, Hans to post my writings on the english speaking forum of the FIGO because my i wrote in englsih language hence here they are... I hope and believe that irrespecive of language, we should all try to communicate, co operate and manage to understand us all no matter the language posted in german, english, or italian forum.

Hello People, There are no evidence that jealous has anything to do with the fear to loose one's partner, Any such thinking and or theorem has no foundation at all.it would fit to say that jealousy has more to do with love and or likeness to be with that person that fits in all respect of current environment. Of course if both partners agree to part or dissolve the friendship or relationship, then both parties must agree to it, but not that one partner goes to flirt and or have another affairs with another man or women when the current relationship is not yet finished, and expect the other party to be happy, such moves will naturally bring problems and confusions, wars and quarrels, this is where the so-called jealousy then comes into play. My opinion is that it may not be appropriate to have so many or several boyfriends or many girlfriends with sexual inputs in addition to having current relationship. Any one who does that will be inviting troubles. All parties must told or informed and mutual agreement must be made before such multi-relationship can stand any chance of success. e are all human beings still living on this planet and not in other planet like the Plajedes planet. We should be very careful when we advice and or inform people with any information dealing with human beings on this our earth. It would not be easy for earthly humans to practice what is obtainable in another planet. Be honest with your partner and all your partners to avoid negative characteristics that can be likened to the word jealousy. Monday Dakoru

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This article from Hans is a good one, especially the followings satz:

"..........Natürlich sollte der Mensch, wie Du schreibst zuerst eine
Partnerschaft mit einem Partner oder einer Partnerin oder aber eine
gleichgeschlechtliche Partnerschaft aufbauen, bzw. die Fdhigkeit zu
einer verantwortungsvollen Beziehung erlernen.
Gl|cklich und zufrieden zu leben sind aber dehnbare Begriffe. Es wird
immer zu gewissen Konflikten kommen und die Kunst der Beziehungspflege
ist es, eben jene Probleme und Schwierigkeiten zu überwinden. Hier
klaffen aber oft Theorie und Praxis weit auseinander - selbst in der
GL der FIGU. Das Wort ist das Eine, das Leben in der Praxis das
andere."

In any relationship, honesty and truth must be key word, partner should be able to tell his or her partner the truth, nothing but the whole truth in terms of having to bring in a new partner into an already existing relationship. In so doing, all elements and forms of jealous (eiversucht) may be avoided between such partners. Partners must learn to talk to each other often and be open, frank about "life". Yes, according to Hans, in practice it is very difficult than to say it. It is easy to say than to practice it because of our earthly up-bringings. The bottom line is one must try to be 100% honest and open to one's partner or partners (irrespective of whether it is a man-man, woman-woman or man-woman relationship). Let there be NO HANKY PANKY in a true relationship between partners of any kind. Marshallah and shalome. Monday Dakoru


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Greetings Monday ;

Thanks you for cross referencing the discussions from the German forum , a tremendous idea .

I think that it's obvious that terrestials should live in monogomous relationships , unless they are mutually agreed to have otherwise . Individuals that break the unspoken agreement are unrestrained , greedy and egotistical , and show a degree of inexperience in mutual romantic love .

As for jealousy itself , I know that individuals in a relatonship can become jealous by the partner's job success , wider social range , education , etc . These issues can sometimes equate or transfer to sexual jealousy if acted on in a retributional manner . An unbalanced response , certainly .

Generally I think it is possible to soften those lines by foresight and suavete' .The abilty to verbalize concepts and express sincere affection to a lover is an important attention . Otherwise , the practice of neutrality by knowledgeable couples is a big advantage .

It was great to meet you both at the center , Monday . I hope to see you there again .

Salome , Mark


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I would have to agree that jelousy has nothing to do with fear of losing ones partner. But I will say that jelousy leads to anger and depression. Which could lead to fear for loosing ones mate. I was married for eight years then divorced in 1998. There was premiscuousness from my mate at the time.But it was apparent to me that she wanted me to become jelouse.She said that by having an affair and letting me know to see if I would become jelouse, would confirm to her that I really do love her. I told her that life was to short to play such nonsense. So I asked for a divorce. But don't misunderstand me about this. There was much anger depression and jelousy in this relationship. It happened not once but numerouse times throughout our marriage. But she always managed to let me know about them. Why? I do not know, Nor do I think I ever will. But for me to allow this to happen many times was because I needed to harden the emotions I carried
To eventually become neutral with the relationship.So yes I was led by many emotions which inturn lead to jelousy. but as I adjusted my
logic and emotion it soon came to me that jelousy is nothing more than a stressful emotion that would deteriorate my health.
Todd-
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If you ask me, jealousy is not the fear of losing ones partner which is abandonment, it is actually a fear of betrayal and dishonesty which usually arises from a competition or a conflict of some sort, which can happen in any situation.
To over come it, one has to know their personal boundaries between themselves and others, so that in situations like relationships there is no hiding things about ourselves with each other. As we evolve and change in personality, so do our personal boundaries which are things right for ourselves.

So what ever is right for an individual concerning how they want to experience a relationship, everyone must always be clear with themselves and address this from the very beginning. Also falling in love with someone can be shattering when we later discover things about them we don't like or if they start resorting to unreasonable behaviour which can be unhealthy to the other partner.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

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hi to all

i hope you are doing fine

many negative emotions like jealousy and vengence are deeply related, unbalanced people
commonly and as part of his daily life fall prey to these and other negative emotions
without even noticing
many of these emotions are self created
and are result of an ignorant, superficial way of thinking and living

this is consecuence of the stupid education that we receive as childs (specially the women), and of living in a materialistic world where the spirit is of no importance and where there are people who don´t even know by themselves about it

we are also affected by the negative vibrations of the people around us, the movies and the tv,etc (you just have to take a walk in any big city to see how many sad, anxious, depressed, violent people are out there . . ., you just have to turn on the tv or to see how negative and superficial is our entertainment, and how violence, vengence, money etc are celebrated and are the main themes of the most popular movies)

it seems to me that it will take many time, for the earth women to accept poligamy as something natural

it will not happen until women have same rights, as all men and when they are no longer discriminated and mistreated

. . .

since i was a little child i noticed
how the relationships of grown up people were poisoned
how many people wasted their time in pure stupidities
discussing about superficial things . . .
instead of enjoying every day
enjoying themselves
instead of celebrating this infinite mystery we call life . . .

the more aware you are
the less you allow this negative things take control of your life

until now
i have decided to live a very lonely life
instead of being
part of those stupid games

to me love is something very simple, and pure
it is something so mysterious and profound
that it can´t be mixed with garbage and dirt

oooohhh . . .

how many time will it take

until we can return to an harmonious life

not too much of this and not too much of that

and then we will understand things that are very simple and that are always there

things like the wind kissing your face
and the singing of a bird soothing your mind

that give sense to our lifes . . .

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Hello Markc, Jukdo, Truthseeker and Memo00, i salut you all for your comments concerning the issue of jealousy currently a hot topic on the German forum of the Figu. I appreciate all of your comments of how you see the subject matter. I guess that everybody must have made own experience relating to jealousy in given relationship. The subjet is not an easy one to crack but is worth trying to anaylys. There are no definit answer or solution to it as long as we are all interaction with one another on this planet. As Lady Beli, on the german forum said: Creation gave man the penis, brain and enough blood to manage each at a time. This is not a problem, but the issue is how one manages these Creation's instrument given to man. Man should be able to manage it in such a way that it does not dislocate existing environmental harmony. As we are different, so also are our varous life experiences. As a life time student, i am happy to read and learn from all of your experiences and hope that such would advance the evolutionary process as we seek for the 'real truth' of the truth as nature had meant it to be. Once again i say thank you and more grease to your elbows in diseminating Creations law as it is embedded in real logic. The next topic that interest me is homosexuality. I would like to read from experts like you about this subject. keep fit and shalome, Monday
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Every feeling has its origin in thinking; every feeling reflects exactly the state of mind.
Jealousy is a result of material-intellectual thinking, it's a feeling caused by possessive thinking, it's false-ego based.
This feeling is not only related to relationships, but to many aspects in human life, whenever it’s about work, career, personal life, you name it.
Jealousy is always a negative feeling, and is never constructive.

- A person can be jealous about someone else's new job position.
- A person can be jealous when someone else gets more attention.
- A person can be jealous about someone else who is richer, is more beautiful, stronger, etc
- Jealousy occurs also when a man has a woman and she gets a lot of attention, then he can be jealous and insecure about her possible reaction to a lot of attention.

Jealousy always comes up when there is a situation when there is a 'more' or 'less', people think very much in possession, regardless if it concerns material or immaterial things and issues.
Jealousy is hardly a feeling that comes alone, envy, hatred, sadness are often close by and can drive a person to negative acts when left uncontrolled.
The average thinking of most people is so materialistic, that almost everything is ego orientated, possessed and quantified.
Jealousy and all its related feelings will disappear when humans lose their material-intellectual thinking and release themselves from their male and female false-ego.
Jakobjn

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one more thing about jealousy

everything in this life has his two poles and
its suppossed that in a poligamic union, people experience the opposite emotion to jealousy when for example one of the wives watches other two members of the union making love
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Polygamy is for the coming thousand years or more impossible as maritial union, men would misuse it to gain sexual advantage and most women would be too jealous to understand the underlying laws and benefits and most likely would claim polyandry (one woman - multiple man); which would be against the Natural Creative Laws and Commandments, since a woman can be fertilized by only one man, and not by several, while a man can fertilize multiple women.
Besides emotions are NOT feelings, there is a major difference between them.
Jakobjn

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True Trust and True Love


When people are in a relationship most of the times their feelings for each other are based on a affective love, which means their feelings are based on sexual issues, physical, economical, mental or psychological factors.
It is often so that in relationships, and mostly during the 'butterfly-in-love' stage that the loved one can't do anything wrong, he / she is seen through pink glasses and for every negative thing he / she thinks or does there is a good and denying explanation.
After a while this stage of 'butterfly-in-love' feelings will calm down and then the negative aspects of the loved one come surfacing, which can be hurtful, because often it is realized that the loved-one is not as 'perfect' as thought.
Basically, the butterfly-feelings 'being-in-love' or having a crush on a person is very often self-delusional, and based on wishes and unreal thinking.

True Trust

Real Trust, like real and effective Love is based on knowledge and facts, it means that a person needs to objectively observe and analyze another person to know if the other person is trustworthy or not, when the other person is trustworthy, then it should be based on the facts about this person.
In this situation it will be possible to have a sense of trust for the other and it will be based on facts and knowledge, in this situation, you know that the other person in your life won't deceive you or give you major problems.
When there is a trust connection between two people based on knowledge (and never on mindless believes) then there can be no room for jealousy or any other negative feeling.
Of course, in this day and age True Trust and True Trustworthiness are still faraway since people are full of materialistic thinking and cult-religious believes.
A person becomes truly trustworthy when his/her life is aimed and geared towards the real truth about Creation and its Laws, when logic become the dictating force in a persons life then he/she will never do things consciously against logic or the Truth.

For people to have a mutual trust connection, both need to have both trust and trustworthiness in themselves in order to form a trust-bond, which is usually the direct precursor of a true love form.

When a true trust connection is made, it is indestructible and solid for life, in such a connection, jealousy, envy, mistrust, etc, etc can’t exist.


True Love

Actual effective Love, regardless on the form of love, is based on an absolute knowledge, Truth and Trust
In the form of a binding-love between a man and a woman it's the absolute certainty that both are one in an indivisible union, in balance of positive and negative.
This means that feeling a union with your spouse/partner, etc it also means that you are honest and address any positive and negative issue in an equal and balanced basis.
This means that you correct a negative action of your partner for the reason to help your partner to evolve and learn from his/her mistake.
When you feel / sense a true love for a person, based on trust and out of mutual evolution, this bond will be unbreakable for all times, in life and in death.
Whenever you are thousands of miles apart, you always will feel him or her close to you since the love bond is always there.
So, create true love on the balance of positive and negative, be honest to yourself, and towards the other, and know, feel and trust that the love bond with the other is for all time to come.

The book 'Law of Love' - 'Gesetz der Liebe' page 10

Liebe ist absolute Gewissheit dessen, selbst in allem mitzuleben und mitzuexistieren, so in allem existenten: In Fauna und Flora, im Mitmenschen, in jeglicher materiellen und geistigen Lebensform gleich welcher Art, und im Bestehen des gesamten Universums und darüber hinaus.

Translation:

Love is the absolute certainty to live and exist yourself in all existence: In the fauna and Flora, with your fellow human, with every material and spiritual lifeform regardless which form they belong to, and in existence of the whole Universe and above.
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Homosexuality

These days homosexuality is a hot issue, especially in the western society, a lot of misconceptions, untruth, bias and hatred are very common.

Male Homosexuality:

In males, homosexuality and bisexuality can be divided roughly in a natural-unnatural and sodomistic variety.

1. Natural-unnatural homosexuality:

The Spirit bases this form of homosexuality on either a difference in genetical make-up and / or weaker gender self-determination.
When males a born with a difference in genetical make up which makes them think, feel and act homosexual, then this is a natural unnatural occurrence.
It's natural because the genes influence the behavior of such a man and that is driven by a natural cause, the genes.
It's unnatural at the same time because the homosexual male will perform fertilization acts with another male but this is unnatural because males can't carry any life at all.
The cause is natural (genetic); the effect is unnatural since it results in a fertilization act, which cannot bare fruit. (Children)
These kind of male homosexuals are in no way abnormal or against the laws of nature, they are the result of a different and natural caused genetical make up.
It is well known that chemicals, light, radioactivity and many other natural influences can activate dormant genes, deactivate active genes or alter the functionality of genes, so these are the natural causes.

Another important factor is caused by the massive overpopulation on this planet, spiritforms incarnate too soon, in unsuited places, in unsuited bodies.
The Spiritform didn't have the time to work through all the information and self-determination impulses from the past life. This results in a slightly undetermined gender preference which means that a Spiritform is reborn in a male body with latent bisexual / homosexual impulses.

2. Sodomistic homosexuality

False thinking and feeling in extreme negative and natural law violating form mainly cause this form of homosexuality. It means that male-homosexuality in this regard is geared towards perverse sexual ideas and even that of impregnation of other males or sodomy with animals.

More about male bisexuality in the next post
Jakobjn

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Salome Jakobjn,
Thank you so much for the educational posts you have been posting here. I really enjoy them.
Best regards,
Rita
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No thanks is required, I am just glad it seems to help people.

Salome,
Jakobjn

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Hello dear all, you must have noticed my long pondering before this my writings. I cannot understand that because it is wrtten in OM or in any other corner that homosexuality is an unnatural natural occurances and therefore it is ok for man to have sex with another man. This is to me like saying that when one has cancer, other ailments or say being a drug addict or any other form of sickness, diseases that can be genetic or otherwise, or any other externality that are naturally unnatural or unnaturally natural, there should be no need for us to find ways and means of curing such naturally unnatural occurances. Please guys think again and don't just read and believe every thing. Well, as a student, i am willing and able to learn more from experts like you on the subject matter, but so far i am not convinced that it is ok for man with penis to make love to another man with penis, no matter how naturally unnatural or unnaturally natural it occurs. I have discussions on this subject at the FIGU center (Switzerland)with honorable Hans and some other eminents experts, so far i am not yet convinced. In my opinion mankind should find ways and means of medically rectifying such systems dislocations and or disorder in us.Thank Creation that we are now making inroad advancement in medical technology, though not as advance as our out of space grand masters, but i think that if we call a spade a spade, or hit the nail at the head we may reach and or achieve a lot and not hide behind such gramatical idiomatic expressions like "natural unnatural or unnatural natural" so as to market such as good behavioural attitude.That males cannot produce or carry any life in such process is proof enough to convince us that homosexuality is 100% unnatural and if it is unnatural, it means therefore that is against the law of nature. We are studying natural law in this forum. At this juncture you can conclude my thinking as regards this subject. Having said that, every body has the right to do or enjoy life the way he or she finds fit or satistactory. Luckily for all of us it is a free and dynamic world. Some may say that my thinking on this subject is based on how i was raised up, this is my personal opinion that common sense based on natural law should guide us. Afterall we not at the same level like animals in the jungle. Human beings do have some form of higher sense of recorgnition and proper placement. keep smiling with Peace and Shalome. Monday
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Positive and Negative Jealousy - Envy.

Hi there All......

Yes, I would Truly Agree...with Jacob. He has explained it very Clear and with much Wisdom.

From my own Life Experience; I have always experienced a Negative and a Positive Jealousy. The Negative Experience/Process is very well described in what Jacob wrote and the Positive is more of a Balanced Jealousy or Envy..if you will...towards One's Fellow Human Being(s). Thus, more in a True Spiritual way/manner.

True Spiritual Jealousy or Envy...is a process that few people may experience as this is a process few True Spiritual Human Beings Can Generate. As we Know, the more One is True in Spirituality..the more One lets go of our Worldly Materialism; Thus, we let our True Spiritual "I"(Ego) within our Consciousness Express Love and Admire for the Talents ,or other Gifted acts, of another Human Being. Thus here, we can Express
...Our...True Positive Jealousy and Envy...toward our Fellow Human Being(s). And When One generates this Positive Energy/Force..; it can only be of Advantage for One's Evolution Process..which works for Both parties. Thus, Positive Jealousy is A Balance...in Relation to Both concerning.

From my own experience; I had never had problems in expressing my self with Positive Jealousy/Envy. If One has Great Talent(s) I would be More than grateful to express this to any person with a BIG SMILE....:-)...and say...."I am very Jealousy of your Talents"...and can see that I generate and send off Positive Energy to the Talented One...Which in feedback...
receive a BIG SMILE back...:-).

Well...as in Relationships; Negative Jealousy is mostly because One is very "Possessive"...in this bond of two. And of course as Jacob mentioned; The Material Aspect...and other factors.

Positive Jealousy or Envy in a Relationship...would be that One would except all the Movements and Deeds One's partner may take..that is in a Orderly Fashion. Not disturbing their Bond..not making their Relationship Unbalanced...which will indeed/may Generate and Create..Negative Jealousy. Thus Spoiling the True Positive Jealousy of True Envy...of Balance...within the Relationship.
Thus, One can Always look back at One's Relationship...with True Positive Jealousy and Envy...with Positive thoughts and Outcome.

Thus, Jealousy or Envy...can be Utilized in many ways. The Positive and Negative are just 2 examples of the Negative and Positive...coming to Balance...with each other. But alas...the Negative Jealousy is the most Common Form of Jealousy and Negative Envy in our Material environment.

Thus, Let us Not foreget...that there is Positive Jealousy and Envy.
And Show ...this to our Fellow Man.....

Edward.
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Hello friends,

it appears that my lastest posting on homosexuality is still on the waiting list/line. I hope that it can be published for my feed back to learn more about it. Thanks. Monday Dakoru

Hi Monday,

Sorry, just running a little behind today.-Moderator
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Phaethonsfire
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Monday,

You state that most people just read and believe everything said about the topic of homosexuality, while you dont completely understand the topic and it's underlying issues, it is maybe wise not to make those statements because other people with a different background could have grasped this issue already.
It's hard for people to adjust to a different kind of thinking when they are raised to think in totally different ways, people tend to hold on to old habits and information or things that they think are true, when they are in fact untrue.
The whole concept of evolving is to recheck and re-evualute your knowledge or what you think is knowledge, only after the test of time and relentless self-examination, true knowledge will filter out.
What you thought what would be knowledge or the truth could contain little parts of untruth and false assumptions.
This happens to everyone who needs to evolve, its a road we all must take in order to advance and become wiser.

In order to understand sexuality, you must understand the term 'sexuality' / sex.
Sexuality is the actual coming together of a male and female in order to create offspring, to procreate, this is well known to everybody.
The term sexuality actually does not apply to natural unnatural (this is not idiotic since we just lack a proper word, if you know a better one, please let me know Monday) male homosexuality.
Sexuality is the joining of two opposite poles who are capable of creating offspring, regardless if this coming together is done out of pleasure or for the reason to create offspring.

Two males who come together are both positive and positive, lacking the possibility and capability to procreate when coming together, so there is no actual sex act, just a act of mutual stimulation and a pseudo sex act, whereby the whole penetration act is mimiked.
By means of countless influences, ranging from chemicals, radiation, hormones, etc, etc. a genetic structure can be altered, and those influences are completely natural because they have a natural cause, so men who are 'homosexual' this way have this alternation and they behave that way because they are influenced that way by natural means and not by false-guided thinking.
It however does not mean that those men are obminations or freaks, they are just slighty different, thats all.
Those people should be given the possibility of genetic modification but that can't be enforced since every person has his/her right for self-determination and the Natural-Creative right to the integraty his or her body.

Monday, I am a colorblind person, a gene caused my eyes to have a inbalance in rods and cones, so I dont see colors very well, but I do see very good in the dark, does that make me a freak? or an abomination? I think I am a good human, or try to be...I am natural-unnatural as well...

I think that because of the past with homosexuals, male and female, we should be carefull because many people will grab for any reason to condemn people who are different.


Regarding female homosexuality and bisexuality it is so that women have the capability of autogenesis / autogamy, which means that by cause of psychological stimulation the ovaries of women can produce eggs with a full compliment of 46 chromosomes, which makes the egg fully capable of dividing and growing into a fully functional female human.
This capability comes into effect when for some reason the male population is infertile or dead my whatever cause and the survival of the species is prominent.
Women have all want it takes to carry offspring to completion and therefore they have this functionality
So women are by default bi-sexual which means that they have functionality of both sexes, male and female, although in normal cases the woman defaults to heterosexual behavior since the male is the preffered partner to conceive offspring.
Female-bisexuality is normal and natural and is a choice, lesbianism is not natural because the male is denied as natural partner.

Male-female conception guarentees genetic diversity, while female-female conception would cause a genetic stagnation and is only effective and warrented during extreme times when the importance of surival of the species outweighs its diversity.
Although a woman can stimulate another woman to pro-create, the other woman cant seed her mate with sperm; in short a woman would only stimulate another woman to autogenesis / autogamy.

The only male homosexuality which IS an abomination is the psyche / consciousness related one whereby males conceive abnormal thoughts for procreation with another male.
The full circle would be a genetic manipulation of one male so he could bare life after being seeded by another male.
That would be considered a sodomistic act.

My 2cts
Jakobjn

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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"Monday, I am a colorblind person, a gene caused my eyes to have a inbalance in rods and cones, so I dont see colors very well, but I do see very good in the dark, does that make me a freak? or an abomination? I think I am a good human, or try to be...I am natural-unnatural as well..."

I stated this remark that I am natural-unnatural also because I have a gene that causes the difference in my eyes.
This to clarify this remark.
Jakobjn

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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hi monday

everything in this world has two poles and homosexuality has too positive things, i will mention some

1-homosexual couples can´t have children, so at least we can say that they do not contribute to overpopulation (well, the women can, but it´s extremely rare)

2-if we learn to respect people who are so different from us and SEE that each and every living form is of the same value any other, i think that´s something thousand of millions can learn and that will be helpful

3-if in this moment of history we try to change homosexuality, soon all kinds of ignorant people specially those related with christianity would try to change many other things, and it would have many other negative effects like an incredible rising mass of intolerance which would be related to violence and horrible crimes, etc

i think its cool to give gay people the opportunity to change, but it is too soon, first we have to learn to live in peace, then we can develop the corresponding techniques to change this and many other things

and of course they have to take the final decision
beacause they have the same rigths as any of us,

would you like that someone tells you:

"ok man, you are completely wrong for this and this and this, you need to change, in fact, we are going to change you"
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10:19 27-6-2004

Hi All....

One small Correction on my post on the line:

Positive Jealousy or Envy in a Relationship...would be that One would
except all the Movements and Deeds One's partner may take..


The "except" was to be "accept".


I hope you will accept this correction...:-)


Edward.
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Sorry, guys, i meant to say 'idiomatic' expression and not 'idiotic' expression, please forgive me for such a mistyping errow in my last posting. Sorry for any inconviences this might have caused. Monday Dakoru
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Thank you all that contributed comments concerning my postings on homosexuality. I am ready to learn and i think i am making good progress in this regard. Once again sorry if i have offended anyone due to my typing errors especially when i used the term 'idiotic' instead of 'IDIOMATIC'. You moderators, please keep doing your good job of guiding and educating us. Thank you and keep smiling. Monday Dakoru
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Hi monday, what a big difference when one or two letters are missing, idiotic or idiomatic...big difference.
A honest mistake can happen to anyone, I think this is just a good example how easy words can be changed and the whole meaning changes as well.
Therefore it is so important that the truth is always accurately written down and told and translated, and although this is just a mistake, it also is a good learning lesson for us all.


Salome
Jakobjn

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Hi All,
I've just been going thru my copy of the OM and found a few historical names croping up so I thought I'd post those passages here:

Canon 20:95
Es waren gegeben den Menschengeschlechtern und Volkern der Erde Propheten von alters her, so also ward gesendet der Henoch und der Elja, der Jesaja und der Jeremja, und der Jmmanuel und der Mohammed in direkter Folge und steter Wiedergeburt, nebst dem Johannes und Eljas und dem Hjob und allem Heer der anderen Rechtschaffen und Gerechten, wie sie da auch waren der Buddha, der Zoroaster und der Babatschi und andere.

Canon 24:84
Und es spricht der JHWH: "Und wiederum sei gesaget, dass da gegeben ward die Schrift des Wortes der Wahrheit zur Effullung an die alten Propheten, die da waren in vorgehender Folge Mohammed, Jmmanuel und Buddha, und die da taten gemass der Schrift, zu tun Gutes, und zur Klarlegung aller Dinge, und so gegeben sei eine Leitung in Fuhrung der Schopfung fur die Menschen der Erde.

Notice how we have a few other names in there }}besides the usual list of 7 prophets...
Matt
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I see some interesting names in there, Matt. Can anyone render this excerpt in English?

Joseph
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Salome,
Here is a literal rough translation of Canon 20:95
"It was given to the human race and nations of the Earth prophets from age of old, therefore were sent Henoch and Elija, Isaia and Jeremiah, and Jmmanuel and Mohammed in direct lineage and rebirth, alongside John (the baptist?) and Elija and Job and all the armies of other upstanding and just, there also were Buddha, Zoroaster*, and Babatchi* and others."
(*=not in dictionary)
The other Canon can hopefully be translated by someone else ;)
Salome,
Rita
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Hello,

Here is a non-approved translation:

20:95
Prophets were given to the generations of men and the nations of Earth since times of old, as also were sent Henoch and Elja, Jesaja and Jeremja, and Jmmanuel and Mohammed in direct succession and constant reincarnation, in addition to Johannes and Eljas and Hjob and all the army of the other righteous and just, as they were Buddha, Zoroaster and Babatschi and others also.

24:84

And the JHWH speaketh: “And again is said that the Writing of the Word of Truth was given for the fulfillment to the old prophets, who were preceding order, Mohammed, Jmmanuel and Buddha, and they acted according to the writing, to do good, and for the clarification of all things, and that a direction in Guidance of Creation for the human beings of Earth is given.

Salome
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Mhurley
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Thanks for those translations.

Forgive my ignorance but does anyone know who was Babatschi? - never heard of him


PS I notice the name Noah cropping up a number of times in the OM so it looks as though he may have been some sort of contactee

Regards
Matt
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Ritak
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NB. correction:
In my quick translation of Canon 20:95, the second Elija should read Elijas. My apologies for the type error.
Salome,
Rita
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Mhurley
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I was upset to see I wasn't mentioned in the OM :-)
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Matt

I can't say that I heard of Babatschi either. After reading this post I tried to do a search but found nothing. Then, quite by accident, I came upon this information at mindbodyspiritonline.com. As you may know, this is the site where Edward Martin's book King of Travellers is promoted. So no clues as to how I learned about it.

He seems to want to organize another trip to India, inviting 15 people to join him, and mentions briefly the places he intends to visit, the following being one of them:

"ALSO TO THE REMOTE VILLAGE HAIRAKHAN IN THE MOUNTAINS OF INDIA WHERE "BABAJI" AN INDIAN MYSTIC WHO IS SAID TO BE IMMORTAL IS SAID TO LIVE WHEN HE COMES INTO PHYSICAL FORM. STORIES OF BABAJI GO BACK 2,000 YEARS."

I don't really know if this is the same person, but I suspect it may be. I tried doing a search using this spelling of the name and came up with a number of sites. But I didn't have the patients to read any of them in depth because they looked to me like a lot of New Age rubbish, all about a man living today who claims to be 1800 years old.
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Norm
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"Notice how we have a few other names in there }}besides the usual list of 7 prophets... "

There were other Prophets not related to Meiers Spirit form.
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How is it possible to access the power of the spirit? Is this things that come by themselves? Only by meditation?
I have discovered with my meditation that I get more musical in different aspects, I just flow on everything. Very cool!
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Hi everyone, I would really like to get some suggestions on my most recent post, above this. Michael has asked Eduard about this subject, but I must say my meditation has overwhelmed me, and I really want to know what is the best way of accessing spiritual powers, so that one can be able to transform this into matter etc.
Moderators?
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Dplotmach
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How is it possible to access the power of the spirit? Is this things that come by themselves? Only by meditation?
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Phaethonsfire
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You already access the power of the spirit every second of every day in your life, because you are ALIVE.
Without the power of the Spirit, your body would just be organic material.
When you mean conscious accessing spiritual power, you do that when you think logically and gain truth, knowledge, wisdom.
The power of the spirit is so much more then those so called wonders like healing, teleportation, telekinesis, etc.
Meditation is just one of the ways to develop spiritually, living your life, seeking and finding the truth is another.
The true power of the spirit lies in logical and natural-creative thinking, because the power of thought, when logical and according to the Natural Creative Laws and Commandments of Creation, is the spirit power that enables you to change your whole life and fullfill your destiny as a true human in the material and spiritual.
Jakobjn

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Hi.
I would like a little discussion about schizophrenia vs. spiritual experience.
The less brainreceptors one have, the more one is open for religious and spiritual beliefs and phenonomens. At the opposite, the more one has, the less one believe in such things. One should believe it was the opposite though.
The problem with schizophrenics is that there are signals going between the receptors, that is either to high in "information", or less. This is stabilised with medication (that has some often disastorous consequences btw). Schizophrenic symptoms: believing some force outside oneself is ruling them, hallucinations (visions), hearing voices (telepathy), UFOs, delusions of different kind, etc etc. All this is very close to that of the known spiritual experiences.
Might it be that schizophrenia is some kind of hyper-sensibility, or is it the other way around? That "the spiritual" is just symptoms of schizophrenia? Is it really healthy to believe/experience these things?

Dplot
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Hello Dplotmach,

Do you feel you fit into either one of these categories?

I think you will agree there is a difference between knowing something and believing in something.

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I don´t have that disease but I have had mental problems some years ago....but I had somekind of experiences since childhood....I don´t know what they were but it definately put me searching the truth. I was JW then and aged 12 but what I saw wasn´t any demons LOL i didn´t talk about it for anyone for 2-3 years because they wouldn´t understand me...I found Billy when I was reading UFO related things.
Love & Peace,
Janette
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The Codex.

As i understand it there were 144k spiritforms who came here a long time ago and did some naughty things so they subscribed to rehibilitation scheme (the Codex) whereby they would do good things in future lifetimes with particular reference to the "Mission."
OK so far so good.
Then according to Billy the Codex was scrapped. Well who decided to scrap it? Were the 144k spirit forms consulted on this decision? Are they aware that they had signed up to it in the first place? Will it have any effect on their behaviour or life situations that may arise in their lifetimes?

Matt
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Hello every one

Before a few months I came across a very good movie called "waking life" the topic of the movie is about Lucid Dreaming. a very thought provoking movie.

My question is does any one know if billy had mentioned something about lucid dreaming... any thing?
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Hi everybody.
Ive been reading and re-reading contact 6 over past years, especially the tabell of spiritual evolution-ladder. Ive tried over and over again to understand the different levels and their meaning. Now I think I have begun to understand where I am on the level; 3.5 (I guess Phateon will arrest me for this ;)). This may be a little high, but I use wisdom and knowledge naturally, and are well-knowing about the spirit and its use. But I still have some religious thoughts... I am trying harder and harder to figure out the laws of creation. But Im not coming to the same conclusions like that of "OM". It seems to be just a copy of the ten commandents handed to Moses (or the other way around). I also believe I am able to "tap" the spiritwisdom and spiritknowledge for information and guidance. This often come when I speak and comment to others, I can speak wise things about subjects I dont know anything about. Very strange.
Anyone else here who would like to try pinpointing themselves on the scheme?
http://www.semjase.net/k6.html
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Thanks for that link Dpoltmach. I didn't know about semjase.net
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Hi Jacob,

It is my understanding Spiritual Telepathy involves the transmission of symbols.

Does the spirit have to be in conscious state as with Billy's spirit in order to receive and understand the meaning of these symbols?

If this is not the case, do you know, or is it known how advanced a spirit form has to be in order to achieve this level of communication?

Thanks for any help you can give.

Salome
Scott
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Hi Scott,

When humans are capable of Spirit telepathy the material consciousness is the main factor in initiating the spiritual telepathy.
The spirit is always in an evolutionary conscious state, it's always in a waking state.
The material conscious is the important factor that needs to be able to send thoughts to the material subconsciousness, which transforms those thoughts into impulses and send them to the spirit subconsciousness.

The Spirit subconsciousness transforms these impulses into spirit-symbol impulses and are send to the recipient.

To my knowledge it will take several hundreds of years for the common Earth human to be able to utilize spirit telepathy.

I hope this helps
Jakobjn

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Hello Jacob,

Thanks for your response.

I'm confused about something. In your response you stated "The Spirit is always in an evolutionary conscious state, it's always in a waking state."

This seems to contradict what you stated on March 6, 2004 in the Creation Itself section. You mentioned: "From the moment that a NewSpiritform is created until the moment that it goes over to the pure Spiritlevels of Arahat Athersata, the Spiritform does have an UNCONSICOUS Spirit consciousness."

Maybe you can clarify what you meant, or I don’t understand it correctly.

Thanks very much

Salome
Scott
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hello Scott

i hope you are doing fine

i have been thinking for some time about similar things to the ones you express

that is: its supposed that the spirit is unconscious but at the same time it is said by the plejarens that it NEVER sleeps, that it always records even the smallest detail no matter if you are in coma or whatever

and something similar with the material consciousness: usually we are only aware of some things on our daily life, but at the same is supposed that unconsciously everything, even the most insignificant detail is registered and all the things that we always forget, they are all in the unconscious

which is something paradoxical

in some strange way the consciousness is "less conscious" and the unconsciousness is "more conscious"

i think it has to do with the law that says that "All in the universe has its two poles"

that is: the unconsciousness is not absolutely unconscious and the consciousness is not absolutely conscious, but each one share a part of the other one and both are connected and touch each other at some point

or at least that is what i think . . .

take care,
Memo
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Hi Scott,

I see I have been unclear, the spirit-consciousness is unconscious in when it comes to be conscious like the material consciousness, the material conscious is conscious as in self-aware, the spirit does not have a consciousness like that.

The spirit has a evolutionary-consciousness that is NOT self-aware as the material consciousness / personality is of itself.

The spiritconsciousness is an evolutionary-consciousness, which is unconscious/unaware of itself contrary to the material consciousness.
The spiritconsciousness records everything but does not judge as the material consciousness would do, the spirit and its consciousness stay absolutely neutral in anyway.

The spiritconsciousness does not have thoughts processes as a material consciousness realizing itself as a personality.
So, when the spiritconsciousness is passive, it is not asleep in anyway, it accumilates information from the material consciousnessforms and processes it to knowledge and wisdom, but without being selfaware, much like a perfect logical computer.

I hope this clears things up, was my mistake.
Jakobjn

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Hi Jacob,

Thanks...if the spirit is in a passive state unaware of itself, what happens when the spirit passes into the level of Arahat Athersata? Does this mean it becomes aware of itself as does the material consciousness during the material existence?

Thanks again
Salome
Scott
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Does anybody know: when will according to Billy/FIGU's writings
the reality of the contacts and the truth of Billy's spiritual
teachings be finally widely accepted as truth? In other words in
what year will there be irrefutable evidence for Billy's ET contacts and
things like reincarnation, existence of spirit, existence of sohar, existence of
Akasha Chronik, etc?
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Hi Timelord,

My own personal guess- several hundred years :-)

Regards
Matt
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Timelord, I think it was stated in about 500 years from the 1970s.
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Thanks for the answer. So several hundred years. Then we need to have a little patience for the time being.
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Phaethonsfire
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Hi Scott,

Sorry for the late answer, yes it will gain a awareness of itself as an individual enity, but not like a personality as seen in material humans.

The highest state of awareness in a spiritform is reached when from the highest level of Petale a spiritform unites with Creation itself and gains a Universal-selfawareness as Creation.
Jakobjn

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Junior
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Dear all,
Speaking of guessing cards, the other day I was sat with my mother and sister. We were planning to play a game of cards, while they were finishing off something, I thought, let me go on to guess the last card of the deck I am holding. Just before starting I had the feeling its not about just guessing one card at once.
What I did was first imagine all the cards of one colour and focus on the number, then within a few second a number stood out in my head, then I thought ok let me try to guess the shape out of the four shapes, so I did the same imagined the four shapes in the normal deck of cards and once again in a few seconds there was one of them standing out over the others in my imagination. So I ended up with a card 8 diamond which was I imagined. And then my heart got so excited beating very fast and hard, but then went on to play. Since then I have always want to do it, but been delaying it I am not sure why. Therefore I think I will be giving it a longer try soon…
Peace to all, and one Love
Junior
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Cyril
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This post is in concern to mediumship and the validation of information gained through this means.

This topic is off particular interest to me for reason of my recent visit to a medium/healer.
The information provided was unexpected to say the least,which intern has pushed me to find the reality of such information. And so with the ensuing recount of this experience, I hope to gain your comments on the subject, contextually based in the teachings of the Plejarans.

It was the conviction of this medium that he did not confuse the ability to contact spiritual beings with mind reading nor make any use of the Akashic records. He made quite clear that he was an interpreter of the spirit aura.

In his perception he described this aura like a "cloud", composed of a sytem of dynamic and superimposing standing waves, with the added characterisic of many different colors. He explained that spirits menifest there forms and messages in the aura, he is then able to untuitively interepret the aura and relay the information to his patients, aswell as information inconern to their mental and physical state of being.

Amongst many other topics covered, he told me that on my right shoulder stood a ten foot high extra-terrestrial who called him self Centaurus, or something along those lines.
He explained further that this being was able to 'teleport' to any place in the universe and that somehow he could be in two places at once. He exclaimed that the being was very advanced in his evolution and that he was on a mission to help me discover the scientific Laws of the universe : that he had been with me since birth and that one day I would write books to teach others.

The beings appearance was also more fully described to me : " He is clothed in a tight fitting golden colored uniform and his skin is a pale golden shade." It was most peculiar to find out that this being had an ovate face. It was also mentioned that the nose of this entity was most unusual, in that it was flattened on all major planes and that the transitions between the planes were very hard.(One could imagine the nose form as an extruded right angle triangle.)

Thats all I care to mention for now, but I think I've made understandable why I wish to gain the ability to validate this information.

Any knowledge partaining to this goal would be most appriciated.

Cyril
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Zarathustra
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Hello everyone,

I've learnt my lesson and have since quit the ganja :-) so don't worry about me going crazy. Been there and done it and sane in the land of the insane.

Memo and Peter,
regarding the chakras, as I understand it they are told as being 'wheels' or 'spinning discs' in most literature, though this is not my experience with them. What I think is that, meridians somehow move energy around the body, which passes through these chakras, or perhaps energy can move out of the body too? Not sure about that.

And thought causes a movement of energy.

What does Billy says of Chi/Prana/Mana/Lifeforce etc?

This is what Billy has said regarding Chakras from a question I posed to him back in July 2000,:

Regarding your question of July 14 regarding "chakras": When I asked Billy about this topic (yesterday) he told me, that what normally is interpreted into the term "chakra" is false. The chakras are NO energy centers or power centers (and they don't look like they are depicted in books, etc.) This is false teaching that leads back to ancient times (hinduism and buddhism). What is commonly named/understood as a chakra is indeed a "nerve point" or "reflex point", like they are known on the sole of the foot. Billy doesn't know whether the "chakras" have something in common, or are important, with acupuncture.

Scott-Moderator


Ok so you've got a meridian, no many meridians, but i'll mention a few i think i know of, not from what I've read but from what I've experienced, on and off the dope, and when off about 4 months after my last spliff.

Ok merdian number 1 starts behind your balls(if you have them obviously, or 1 if you're unfortunate) and travels up through the center of your body, where is somehow splits into 4 at around the neck, the 4 serperate lines lead on to: top of head,left temple,right temple and front of forehead.

A 'bion' is a term some have used to describe chi, I think it's about 1cm in diamteter.

Anyhow, chi. Think of the central meridian as a train track, with 7 stations along it, each being a chakra (but not a wheel or disc), and energy travells on this route, always in the same direction as far as i know. Oh the stations, just like conventional theory, one at the bottom, another somewhere below your belly button, another just over, heart, throat, forehead, top of head. When the energy moves to a station it'll seemingly disappear, I don't get it. This whole thing confuses me.

I forgot, the meridian splits into more than 4 parts, one split directing to the center of the left prefrontal cortex and another to the right. Again this is not what I've read.
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You've confused me with your multidimensions Peter. I'll think some more on it, not for long as it tires me.

Hope the above makes sense.
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Memo00
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hi again Zarathustra

its good to hear that you left MJ,

about the meridians etc,

i think that if you are really interested in that stuff it would be a good idea to study a little of acupunture,

if my memory doesn´t fails me, there are 365 meridians in the human body (like the days of a year), and the way the energy flows through the body etc is a little complicated. . .

Search for a while here in the forum and read FIGU booklets and books, and you will find some info regarding the cosmic energy or life force, etc

in few words:
ALL is energy,
ALL is made of the SAME energy,
the difference between the Matter and Spirit,
is that the energy in the matter is very "condensated" and it vibrates much slower than in the spirit,

you are right when you mention that the energy flows also around the body, its supposed that the "Aura" really exists, and that the vibrations of human beings can be "felt" something like in a radium of 90 m around you,

different parts of the human body work as anntenas to send or receive different kind of energies, for example the ears are supposed to serve also to receive telepathic messages,

i think that what chinese call "chi" is simply some kind of cosmic electromagnetic energy, which obviously flows through the body in certain way and which with proper training can be controlled an used as you wish

take care
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Newinitiation
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Hi Cyril
The plejarens unequivocally stated that Billy is the only contact in this world by ETs.
In regards to what you have written, if you are new to the teachings and genuinely interested in the pursuit of truth it's best to start by reading the introduction to spiritual teachings by samjase, all the bulletins billy has written and other extensive articles on the website, then the TJ and other books you can access from various sites in conjunction with this one.
Billy has mentioned alot about charlatans, frauds, schizophrenics, the deluded, the idiots, the egomaniacs, the know it alls etc, I recommend aligning yourself through these teaching of the truth and find your true self in truth instead of relying on the people who are just as lost.
The truth will make you wise, give you ability to distinguish between what is false and what is true and ask the relevant questions
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Eric_drouin
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Hi Jacob

Thanks for your efforts into adding spiritual terminology and definitions.
Very useful reference, informative and constructive.

Eric
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Markc
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Hi Newinitiation ;

Referring to your comment : "The Plejarens unequivocally stated that Billy is the only contact in this world by ETs."

I believe that what he said was that Billy is the only earth human in contact with Plejarens ( who are ET's ).So , that means that other people may have been in contact with ET's from somewhere else .

This simple mistake is the constant cause of much
anger and accused arrogance on Billy's part ( and ours) , when he never said that , and it's not implied . It's an incomplete statement( as you quoted) , which if not worded carefully , means something absolutely and unequivocally different altogether .

At this point I think it would help if someone else cooroborated my comment , because it's probably in everyone's best interest to get this straight here and now .
Mark Campbell
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Mhurley
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hi Newinitiation

I think Billy has said he is the only person meeting Plejarans. I don't think he said he is the only person meeting ETs - although I may have mis-read something

Regards
Matt
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Jacob
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Hello Eric,

Thank you, its my pleasure, I am glad its usefull
Salome,
Jacob

"If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, then any knowledge you have."
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Newinitiation
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Dear forum members

I must apologise for not taking into consideration and have assumed too much that some forum members or be it casual observers of this forum have not read some of the contact notes with this fact presented in a form of dialogue between billy and ptaah and other plejarens.
The fact is when I was refering to the word unequivocal, I meant to say that billy is the only terrestrial human being having the type of contact which is contingent upon two ways, meaning he is the only person having this TYPE of contact with any extraterrestrial intelligences, so other 3 different extraterrestrial intelligences who visit earth apart from the plejarens make no physical, telepathic or other type of contacts with terrestrial human beings, this goes for other ETS as well who sporadically come to earth for excursions and expeditions for research purposes or for other reasons, so it is written by billy.
During your readings of various written materials by billy you will come to the conclusion that plejarens are not the only ETs that billy has met in his lifetime
But ofcourse you all who are in doubt but for the sake of your own learning instead of curiosity must not rely on my words but to find this information out yourself, try 251st contact on Friday, February 3rd, 1995, 12:01am.
Just remember I am also learning from billy's teachings and like yourselves these facts I could only have read and known because of billy's writings and that of the plejarens.

peace be with you all
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Markc
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Hi Newinitiation ;

It's really not a big deal . I'm happy to point out some things that I'm sure of , if it helps someone . The little that I know !

regards , Mark
Mark Campbell
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Kingman
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Also this Newinitiation,

As we discuss these facts we've read or heard before, we re-enforce the knowledge of it, thus enabling our abilities to distribute the materials more accurately. So your questions and our response's are only helpful.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Melli
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I was wondering if there is spirit consciousness and body connection to Telekinesis and psycho-kinesis? what is it?

Melli,

You have posted two posts in a row, both having nothing to do with the subject category. Please read the subject header. If you are not sure where to post, please contact one of the moderators. I will move both posts, but if this continues, your posts will be denied.
Thank you
Scott-Moderator
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Melli
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Scott,
Because my posts were 'general' this is the reason I posted them in Miscellaneous. Thank you.

Melli,

I don't want to split hairs with you, but what you have stated is incorrect. Your post related to Telekinesis was originally posted in the "The Mission: "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier Miscellaneous" This section relates to various aspects and discussions regarding the Mission. Your post about receiving your materials in the mail was originally posted in the "The New Discussion Board/Your Comments and Feedback" area. This section is for those people who have comments about the new structure of the forum which was established in early 2003.

As I indicated before, I moved your posts to a category that I feel is more appropriate to the subjects you are discussing.

Thank you
Scott/Moderator

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Gaiaguysnet
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Dear Melli,

As luck would have it, shortly after I saw your question, I read the below in Billy’s most recent book. I’m not sure if this is the answer you were looking for, because your terminology is a little vague to me. Fortunately, the renewed spiritual teachings provide very detailed and specific definitions of all the terms and expressions used, and the German language vocabulary that Billy uses so masterfully is advanced to the point that we understand that he even keeps the core members busy with their dictionaries, and I estimate that many dumbed-down English-speakers will have to have a big English dictionary on hand next to their big German one.

I – for one – have never ever read anything so profound and intelligent in all my long life of futile truth-seeking before I found Billy. He is a quantum leap ahead of even the greatest minds this planet has ever seen (in our era), and it’s only a pity that most Earth humans are not smart enough to recognize that.

Anyway, I hope this small excerpt answers you question. Incidentally, Billy of course also states that Earth humans have a long way to go before we can start doing these psi tricks like turning Pepsi-Cola into wine and that sort of thing.

First we must learn to stand on our own two feet like real humans. Flying comes later.

Cheers!
Dyson

Sinnvolles, Würdevolles, Wertvolles (2005)

Spiritualität, Spiritualsmus, Geistform, Materialismus, Bewustsein usw.

(seite 87) Also ist es allein das materielle Bewusstsein des Menschen, das der Erzeugung von Gedanken, Gefühlen und Ideen sowie der Kreativität in jeder Beziehung fähig ist, so aber auch der Telepathie, der Levitation, Hypnose, Suggestion, Teleportation, Vision und allem Sonstigen. Alle Kräfte und Energien jeder Art, die vom Menschen ausgehen, fundieren in jedem Fall in den Kräften und Energien des materiellen Bewusstseins, durch das de Mensch alles erzeugt und steuert, während der Geist resp. die Geistform als reine Kraft- und Energie- spenderform passiv und neutral bleibt.


Sensible, Dignified, Valuable

Spirituality, Spiritualism, Spirit-form, Materialism, Consciousness, etc.

(page 87) Therefore it is alone the material consciousness of the human that is capable of the production of thoughts, feelings and ideas as well as telepathy, levitation, hypnosis, suggestion, teleportation, visions and all others. All powers and energies of every sort that emanate from the human are in every case founded in the powers and energies of the material consciousness, through which the human produces and steers everything, while the spirit, respectively the spirit-form, as pure power and energy provider/distributor, stays passive and neutral.

SSSC 18 November 2002, 7:52PM
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Junior
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Dear Melli,

Does the book Sinnvolles, Würdevolles, Wertvolles include the terminlogy that you are talking about, in other words what i am trying to ask is the book all about the terminology used or is there other things in the book?
Peace to all, and one Love
Junior

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