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    Vasily New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2010 |
G'day:Ilovebilly, Are you living in Sydney? | ||
Ilovebilly Member Post Number: 203 Registered: 04-2011 |
G'day Vasily i am from south Sydney but moved to the Central Coast NSW, i do get to Sydney every few moths or so Salome ilovebilly Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them. | ||
Ppc Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 05-2013 |
Hi Jacob, I wanted to put this here because I think I read that you don't look for posts in the "forum posts" area or something. Thank you for your advice so far. I have a new question. I have combed through the teachings and still have yet to find one Spiritual Law. It does not have to be anything about IHWHs this time. Do you mind giving this forum and I just one example of a Spiritual Law you know about? You can pick which one you give me. Thank you Jacob. Jay If what you do is being threatened as a profession, that could be scary. But that's the same reason why I walked out on stage many times after receiving death threats. I couldn't live without doing what I wanted to do. So at the same time I have to be willing to die for it. Marilyn Manson | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2406 Registered: 12-1999 |
Jay, Try doing a search for Kybalion. Scott | ||
Indi Moderator Post Number: 734 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Jay Christian Frehner wrote an article covering this topic and it is available at: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Spiritual_Development This should help get you started :-) Also, there are posts covering this on this forum as well, so suggest you continue to search for those. Salome Robyn Denken Sie für sich selbst! | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 02-2013 |
Hello Jay, You asked for one law, I will give you 7 of them. These are also laws since they are unbreakable, eternal and everyone HAS to follow them (not following is no option) The Seven Principles of the Truth of Life in Spirit, Physical and Consciousness by Nokodemjon/Henoch (unofficial translation by Jacob) The First Principle: The Creative-Spirtual 1.Das erste Prinzip fundiert in der Existenz des allumfassenden Geistigen des schöpferischen, allbelebenden Geistes im Geistigen, Physischen und Bewussten, und so also in allem Geistigen und Materiellen. 1. The first principle substantiates in the existence of the all-embracing Creative-Spiritual, all living Spirit in the spiritual, physical and consciousness, and thus in all spiritual and material. The Second Principle: Equality and Equivalence 2. Das zweite Prinzip fundiert in der Gleichheit und Gleichwertigkeit aller Dinge des Geistigen, Physischen und Bewussten, so also aller Dingen des Geistigen, Physischen und Bewussten, so also alle Dinge sowohl des Geistigen als auch des Materiellen in Gleichheit und Gleichwertigkeit gegeben sind. 2. The second principle substantiates in the equality and equivalence of all things of the spiritual, to physical and consciousness, so of all things of the spiritual, to physical and Consciousness, so all things of the spiritual as well as the material in equality and equivalence are given. The Third Principle: Oscillation 3. Das dritte Prinzip ist die alluniverselle und allexistenzielle Schwingung aller Formen des Geistigen, Physischen und Bewussten, und so also in allem Geistigen und Materiellen. 3. The third principle is all-universal and all-existing oscillation of all forms of the spiritual, physical and consciousness, and thus in all spiritual and material. The Fourth Principle: Bipolarity 4. Das vierte Prinzip ist die Zweipoligkeit aller Dinge alles Existenten, und so also die Gegenpoligkeit aller geistigen und materiellen Werte und Faktoren in ihrer Zusammengehörigkeit. 4. The fourth principle is the bipolarity of all things of all things existent, and thus the counter-polarity of all spiritual and material values and factors in her togetherness. The Fifth Principle: Symmetry 5. Das fünfte Prinzip ist das Gleichmass aller Dingen im Geistigen, Physische und Bewussten, so also in allem Geistigen und Materiellen. 5. The fifth principle is the symmetry of all things in the spiritual, physical and consciousness, thus in all spiritual and material. The Sixth Principle: Connection 6. Das sechste Prinzip ist das Gesetz des Zusammenhanges aller in Erscheinung tretenden Vorkommisse und Geschehen, so also im Geistigen, Physischen und Bewussten, und so also gegeben in allem Geistigen und Materiellen. 6. The sixth principle is the law of the connection of all appearing and occurring happenings and events, thus in the spiritual, physical and consciousness, and thus given in all spiritual and material. The Seventh Principle: Universal Evolution 7. Das siebente Prinzip ist das der allumfassende Evolution aller Dingen aller Existenz im Geistigen, Physischen und Bewussten, und so also in allem Geistigen und Materiellen. 7. The seventh principle is that to the all-embracing evolution of all things of all existence in the spiritual, physical and consciousness, and thus in all spiritual and material. Salome, Jacob As for me, all I know is that I know nothing. ~ Socrates | ||
Devi New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2014 |
Hello all, I'm not sure if my subject is placed in the right thread. Please forgive me if not. I have just discovered the spirit teachings and am now getting familiar with it. However, I have a question that is bothering me. Before I discovered the truth, I was a Hindu believer. What I want to know is: why did it seem and look like all of my prayers were answered when I prayed to the hindu gods, if they in fact were just anchient people? what I mean is that I used to see results when I prayed to those "gods". can anyone explain this to me? and did any one of you experience this? Thank you | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 966 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Devi, What do you mean that your prayers were answered ? Wealth, happiness, an attractive intelligent wife who can cook and doesn't nag, success in your chosen vocation or occupation, not being run over by a bus or falling ill ..... you might have prayed for many things ........ From memory the Hindu's have an assortment of 343 different gods and those vary according to geographical regions and divisions within Hindu itself meaning not all Hindu's recognise - worship all the different Hindu gods, their capabilities and protections. What are "results" ? Positive thinking can and does produce results as does negative thinking in some way or other even returning back towards it's originator as so called bad luck. If however you prayed that humanity overall would become wiser and take positive steps in protecting the common enviroment towards creating a better future and opportunities for all on average ... were those prayers answered ? Cheers. | ||
Ferbon Member Post Number: 338 Registered: 05-2012 |
Devi There is vast amount of Figu material about religion and relegeon. Perhaps you could find pleasure in getting answers yourself? Salome | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 591 Registered: 10-2009 |
Hi Devi, welcome to the forum! You were actually praying to yourself and by using the might of your thoughts you were able to make your wishes come true. Your consciousness goes on journeys and its very important to have a fantasy world which can be realized. That's the simplest explanation but you will find the expanded version of it by studying the spirit teachings or by ordering these books: The Might of the Thoughts and/or The Psyche. Good luck to you - as we all make our own luck. Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Rosemarie Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 07-2013 |
Devi. our prayers to external imaginary gods seems to bounce back to us. In a way, our positive hope of having our desires directly influences our thinking and feelings which later on, reflects in our actions, movements, and to the surrounding world. You know, your question alone is what keeps large majority of religious believers from leaving their ever-giving god. Frightened of unblessedness, they rather keep their "many many times self-proven" religion than stop believing and follow this foreign, unknown and satanic spiritual teaching. Also, try this: you remember all your answered prayers, evident blessings, and maybe sometimes miracle like times. but what about all the remaining forever pending prayers? What happened to them? Odd that we not attend the bad ones and kept remembered those "blessings"? -I ask this. | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 155 Registered: 12-2011 |
Hi Devi I am not sure how it works but I will give you my version. When you pray you invoke your inner self and that is what gets results. joe | ||
Verlanis Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 10-2012 |
The power of Belief on the Consciousness is a powerful drug to the brain. Anyone can use belief to justify any sort of happening. Belief in a concept can directly override any natural logic on a subject. An example: I say it rains because I danced and prayed for it, but later I'm shown an enclosed box of glass with a cloud pouring water in droplets from the cloud inside the box. My observation now tells me I can make the same thing happen in a box just like the person who built the box of rain. Extrapolating further I can see the World is like a giant box that can make rain, and because I can make rain in a box, my prayer and dance had nothing to do with making rain. Jack -- | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 387 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Devi, Welcome to forum! Roughly how many prayers do you think were answered? A rough number? And roughly how many prayers do you think went unanswered? A rough number? | ||
Devi New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2014 |
Hi Ramirez, Thank you for your comment. Most of my prayers concerned keeping my family and myself healthy and safe; asking for knowledge, and being successful in projects. Most of these prayers were answered. One of my strongest last prayers (before learning the ultimate truth) focused on my desire towards my god, which was Shiva, to reveal himself to me. And then, purely by coincidence (as it seems) I discovered the contact reports which led to the truth. I have to say that I always had the feeling that something wasn’t quite right with my previous religion. I used to have the “devil and angel on either shoulder” conversation with myself where one part of my consciousness found it absolutely absurd to serve some divinity as the ultimate purpose of life, while the other part silenced this thought and argued that this had to be true because it was written in holy scriptures, almost in every religion. Hi Ferbon, Thank you, I will look it up. Hello Justsayno, Thank you! That does make sense! Hi Rosemarie, You are right; I have been struggling a lot with this question. But I know there is a way out, that’s why I’m asking help from you guys. I do believe that my prayers (in a way) reached the spirit, which is also in me, to propel myself to realize those results (knowledge, success in projects). But now that I am aware of the truth, I should be able to direct my actions even better. Hi Votan, I agree! Thank you! Hi Verlanis, Makes sense. Thank you! Hi Matt, If I recall correctly, most of my prayers were answered. I’d say 4000 out of the 5000 in my entire life. I didn’t use to pray a lot, but when I did it was fairly intensive, while I concentrated on the result I wanted. As Justsayno and Votan mentioned, I now believe that I was praying to the spirit within me. Thank you all, you have helped me gain more insight in the realization of the ultimate truth. Cheers | ||
Piyali Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 08-2012 |
Wonderfully expressed Devi. A warm welcome to you here. So happy you found the Truth. :-) Salome. Salome with Love ~ Piyali | ||
Melissa Member Post Number: 120 Registered: 01-2012 |
Below are some notes, questions and answers I have been thinking about lately and trying to make some sense out of. None of my information below is considered to sway anyone to think like myself, only that I wished to share my own thought processes, and ask anyone else to join in with something to share as well. __________________ What is truth? Definition: Wikipedia - In accord with fact or reality. Wiktionary - The state or quality of being true to someone or something. - True facts, genuine depiction or statements of reality. - Conformity to fact or reality; correctness, accuracy. - That which is real, in a deeper sense; spiritual or ‘genuine’ reality. - (countable) Something acknowledged to be true; a true statement or axiom. -(Hunger and jealousy are just eternal truths of human existence.) Simply Said: Truth is, what is, based on resulting knowledge of, what is experienced in reality. Simply explained: When a person experiences a truth, like breathing, walking on the ground, watching a fish swim, he/she can recognize it as a truth, because he/she experiences and then gains knowledge of such ideas to be true. (Truths are ideas - presented in words based on, and from, one's own experiences of the physical.) So, what is a Non-Truth, or Falseness? Wiktionary -Untrue, not factual, factually incorrect. -Based on factually incorrect premises -Not well founded; not firm or trustworthy; erroneous. Simply Said: Falseness is, what isn't, based on resulting knowledge of, what is experienced in reality. Simply explained: To make someone/something appear to be existent in reality, or to make someone/something appear to be non-existent in reality. QUESTIONS: 1. Is truth inherent? * Yes, because only what corresponds to reality is truth and it is true that we inherently begin experiencing physical sensations from the physical reality we were born into, from the moment we were born. These experiences are then valued, to create the foundation of our own knowledge of what is real in this reality. Experiencing reality is a given once one is born. 2. If truth is inherent, then why do so many 'seem' as if they are trying to [find] it? * Because human beings are not just physical, sensual beings who would normally base reality on real experiences from the senses of the physical. Human beings also have the ability to freely think by the use of creating their own ideas, and only when false ideas are created, they are done so, by deliberation for purposes of misguidance and deceit to others, as well as to themselves, which is erroneous to the truth of reality. 3. Why would one deliberately misguide others and/or themselves, and use falseness? * (Those who fill their minds with viruses, can act malicious towards others, especially as they continue to develop their own erroneous-based pattern of thoughts, in hopes to infect others for the benefit of themselves only.) 4. How can I tell that which is True or not? * because only what corresponds to reality is truth = truth * imposing any requirements = no truth * never a belief = truth 5. What is the difference between Truth and Belief? * A truth is knowledge of what is experienced in reality. * A belief is an erroneous-idea of someone/something being existent in reality without any experience. 6. Are beliefs really erroneous-ideas? * Yes, because to believe, is to purposely think someone/something to be true/exists, when in reality it is non-existent, because truthly a belief cannot ever be experienced. 7. What is the difference between Belief and Hope? * Belief is to purposely think something/someone to be true, when no real experience can verify its existence. (I believe in Santa Clause.) Belief is usually tied with ideas of things which do not exist and involve non-self-responsibility. (negative value) * Hope is to think towards the betterment/improvement of a real situation. (I hope it rains today.) Hope is usually tied with ideas of things which do exist and involve self-responsibility. (positive value) 8. What if someone else experiences knowledge of truth. Must I also acknowledge it as truth? * No, because knowledge of each experience in reality is only true to the one having/doing the experience. You must gain your own knowledge through your own experiences of reality, or of what is real. 9. What if a person were blind? Wouldn't they need to believe realities, such as the sky is blue? * No, because a person who cannot cannot sense certain properties of a truth, does not mean the truth is now a falseness and they therefore fall into the category of 'believing.' The sky is still sensed as blue to those who are able to detect color with their own vision, but a person who is blind cannot detect color with the visual senses, and therefore cannot say for certain what the color of the sky really is, nor do they have a reference to such a color. They then may choose to agree with those who are able to detect, which is used more as information, rather than a reality gained by personal experience. 10. How does one explain the many people who have a belief in (God/angels/devil)? Even though some do not experience personal senses of a these existing, others claim that they do experience personal sensations of these existing. Does this mean that some have the ability to experience these in reality, while others do not have the ability - similar to a human being able to use their sense of vision, while others are blind and unable to? * To say that some human beings have an (extra sense) which allows them to experience things that others cannot seems rather ridiculous. What is this extra special-sense called, or has it been proven to even exist. What gives some the ability to experience a (God/angel/devil), while others do not contain this ability/sense? The fact is, there is no extra sense and that each experience a human being might have concerning (God/angels/devils) is done so by thought alone. Because each human being is born with abilities, or rather their senses, which are used to experience reality and gain knowledge. We are literally like computers collecting data. The proven senses are those of sight, sound, smell, taste, touch and thought. It is mentioned that exists a seventh sense related to the pituitary gland, that of spirit. Now, I cannot say for truth that spirit exists, which also means that I cannot say for truth that the 7th sense exists, but if it did, how would it be? * * (Eyes=sight=Muscular System) * (Ears=sound=Skeletal System) * (Nose=smell=Respiratory System) * (Tongue=taste=Digestive System) * (Touch=skin=Integumentary System) * (Thought/Psyche=brain=Nervous System) * (Spirit= pituitary gland=Endocrine System) * So if spirit is the 7th sense, and is connected with the Endocrine system, which is the control center for hormones, more specifically, (The endocrine system works alongside of the nervous system to form the control systems of the body. The nervous system provides a very fast and narrowly targeted system to turn on specific glands and muscles throughout the body. The endocrine system, on the other hand, is much slower acting, but has very widespread, long lasting, and powerful effects. Hormones are distributed by glands through the bloodstream to the entire body, affecting any cell with a receptor for a particular hormone. Most hormones affect cells in several organs or throughout the entire body, leading to many diverse and powerful responses.) http://www.innerbody.com/image/endoov.html#full-description - then any experiences gained from this particular sense, would solely relate to the hormones and function of the body. * So, unless an experience was sensed via the endocrine system - which is related to the hormones and function of the body, anyone saying that God is real, is only able to so, not because of a 'religious-spiritual self-experience', but because of self-created thoughts. Anyone proclaiming such 'religious-spiritual self-experiences' are usually all related to voice, imagery, light, euphoria, etc, all of which have nothing to do with any senses processed by the endocrine system. Because we are all inherent with the senses, there is no way for some to say (God/angels/devils) are real due to their senses, while everyone who says (God/angels/devils) are not real, must be deficient in this ability. So, when some say they sense the realness in someone/something, this is only accomplished by self-generated thoughts and resulting feelings. Thought is also an ability/sense which we all inherently have since birth. And it is our thoughts which generate feelings, which can then cause a free-thinking human being to think they are being experienced upon by someone/something, rather than it is really only themselves who are causing their own self-created experience and resulting feelings. BOTTOM LINE: If knowledge cannot be gained [of it] through a physical experience via the senses, then [it] cannot be deemed true for that individual. -Melissa | ||
Ferbon Member Post Number: 360 Registered: 05-2012 |
Melissa It could be that any being who has free-will at his/her own disposal, ...is also capable of truth/untruth and has possibility of learning/verification of these as well in "appearence nature". Salome | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 407 Registered: 09-2011 |
Re: How the truth for one's self comes through the senses. _________________________________________________________ What is a 'sense'? Is the concept of 'sense' a verb only? Is it only something we do? Is awareness of selfness built upon the senses? If so, this would be one of the spiritual senses - the sense of self. Life | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 580 Registered: 08-2010 |
Great post Melissa. One thing that I have gained from the Goblet is that there is a difference between knowledge and information. That knowledge and wisdom is acquired through a process that occurs in the thinking and processing of information gained from the observable reality around me. Here is a snippet from a question/answer with Billy. "I wish to know if Quetzal's explanations can be practiced in our daily interactions with people around us and those whom we know or interact with personally as a way to cultivate Empfindungen. Salome and thank-you to you both, Eddie Of course that can, and actually shall, be practiced daily. Observing, thinking and acting accordingly." Salome, Eddie http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/12919.html?1380604760 | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 151 Registered: 02-2013 |
Hi, Melissa, That is a very interesting post, thank you for posting it here, I would like to chime in and share my thoughts. This is what I have come up with: Truth: The effective compliance of knowledge with Logic, which is Creational power and the absolute of all consistency. Wahrheit: Die effective Übereinstimmung des Wissens mit der Logik, die da ist die Schöpfungskraft und das Absolutum aller Folgerichtigkeit. The truth about a situation cannot be gained by the physical senses alone, it absolutely requires a clear and consistent functioning of the material consciousness, its intellect and rationality. When a person sees a fish in a pool with water, and tries to grab it, then usually the person will be unable to grab the fish because of the breaking index of water, the fish is not at the position as it is observed, if you know the optical properties of water you can calculate or make an educated guess where the fish actually is and have a much bigger chance of grabbing it. What I am trying to say is that the environment can and will trick the physical senses, what you perceive through sight, hearing, touching, smelling and tasting might not be factual reality. The correct and uninhibited functioning of the intellect and rationality enable the finding and experience of the greatness which is the truth. Intellect and rationality of the material consciousness form the ability to grasp, recognize, evaluate and to understand an existing fact as rightness and truth as well to link existing facts and objects in a consistent (Logical) manner, which leads to a truthful insight which in further and deeper way is processed to knowledge, which becomes wisdom after it has been lived-through by means of experience. The spirit teaching speaks about the truth: „Die Wahrheit ist keine Lehre in dem Sinne, dass sie erlernt werden konnte, sondern sie ist eine Grosse, die erkannt, erfahren und erlebt werden muss. Folgedessen kann sie also nicht einfach in Büchern nachgelesen werden, obwohl in dieser Form zahlreiches existiert und vorgibt, die Wahrheit lehren zu können - was natürlich der Wahrheit widersprüchlich ist, denn die Wahrheit des Lebens im Geistigen, Physischen und Bewussten ist keine Lehre, sondern sie besteht aus schöpferisch-gesetzmäßigen Wahrheitsfakten, durch die die schöpferischen Gesetze und Gebote offengelegt werden, die nach einem bestimmten Prinzip unfehlbar arbeiten und die als Wahrheit für jeden Menschen erkennbar sind, wenn er sich nur in wahrheitlicher Form um deren Erkennung bemüht.” Rough English translation: „The truth is not a teaching in the sense that it could be learned, but it is a greatness, which must be recognized, experienced and lived-through. Consequently, it therefore cannot be easily found in books, although in this form numerous exist and pretend to teach the truth - which is of course contradicts with the truth, because the truth of life in the spiritual, physical and conscious is not a teaching but it consists of creative-legitimate facts of truth which are disclosed by the creational laws and recommendations which operate according to a certain principle in an infallible way and are recognizable for every human when he strives in a truthful (= honest, openminded, unprejudiced; remark Jacob) for their recognition. The seven-fold path is this: 1. Perception (of a fact, object, impression, sensory perception, etc) Leads to: 2. Recognition (of a fact, object, impression, etc) which is the recognition of the perception, its form and contents) which leads to: 3. Cognizance (of the fact) which is taking of cognizance of all the facts of the perception and its further processing (by the intellect and rationality), which further leads to: 4. Insight (of the fact / facts) and its results processing, recognition of results, conceptual clarity, insight, recognition of logic, etc. on its turn it leads to: 5. Knowledge (of the fact, facts, impression, sensory perception, etc) which is the result of absolute logical insight in recognition of the truth. 6. Experience / Living-experience Experience does not result from living-experience of certain things, objects, etc. but only from the realized process of applied knowledge, which is based in a preceding insight of all cognizance and grasping and the fundamental perception. An living-through never leads to experience, but it only leads to new perceptions which creates an cognizance of the lived-through, which resulting facts, truths, etc must be processed to insights from which knowledge is created and the insight of truth and the security of truth. If knowledge is applied in an ongoing process then experience is created which leads to ability, routine, practice, ripeness, mastery, realization, etc. If this process of experience is lead even further it leads to fulfillment, completion, and the relative perfection, the absolute ability, the absolute control and absolute mastery which is: 7. Wisdom (Result of clear balance in logical knowledge and its experience as absolute determination.) Ultimately knowledge can be gained without the physical senses, when the block intellect-rationality-consciousness is intact, then insights can to lead to knowledge and their subsequent experience. People can see and hear, but if their material consciousness is obstructed by prejudice, cult-religious beliefs, etc then they are blind and deaf. Salome, Jacob As for me, all I know is that I know nothing. ~ Socrates | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1028 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Melissa thank you for the great summary on the Truth I have one question concerning what you wrote that I am a little confused with and I hope I haven't misunderstood you to ask such a question but from what I have read Billy stated that the 7th sense is the 'consciousness', the 'Empfindung' from the spiritual realm involving the pineal gland which you referred to here as the spirit. Can you clarify this with a reference? Cheers Matt Lee | ||
Str0323 New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2012 |
Hello Melissa, after reading your post and the replies perhaps I've misunderstood the reason, that is to say, the meaning of your words. My comment is in regards to the BOTTOM LINE. Any insight from you or anyone else is appreciated. Intuition, what is it? Is it a reality? Can certainty be gained from it? Intuition has saved, and does save, human beings from calamities, dire situations, and even death. Is the effect of intuition knowledge gained? Intuition can't be measured. Nor is it a perception of the five physical senses. Yet it does exist. Any thoughts? Peace, Scott. |
