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Creational
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Post Number: 244
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, March 15, 2009 - 02:16 am: | 
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Dear Jacobus,
Here is what I see;
He a typical human of today; an almost animalistic creature sitting in front a false symbol, who is fed by empty written tools of religious book (words) with underlying poisoning by the lead of this pencil. Note that he is happily gulping this garbage and later washing it down with marketed empty soda , where there are both of zero nutritious value for his spirit and mind.
Symbolically, He is peacefully yet deceptively sitting on a what is represented to him as a peace symbol; while it is truly a death symbol, leading him to his eventual death.
Is this your intended message, or did I read too much into it?
Salome
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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Creational
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Post Number: 245
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, March 15, 2009 - 02:22 am: |
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Dear moderators,
I apologize, but his is a corrected version of my previous post.
If possible, would you please post this one instead? Thanks.
Dear Jacobus,
Here is what I see;
He is a typical human of today; an almost animalistic creature sitting in front of a false symbol. He is fed by empty written tools of religious book (words) with underlying poisoning by the lead of this pencil.
Note that he is happily gulping this garbage and later washing it down with marketed empty poisonous soda , where there are both of zero nutritious value for his spirit and mind.
Symbolically, He is peacefully yet deceptively sitting on a what is represented to him as a peace symbol; while it is truly a death symbol, leading him to his eventual death.
Is this your intended message, or did I read too much into it?
Salome
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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Jacobus
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Post Number: 28
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 16, 2009 - 12:40 am: |
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Zila,
Your interpretation I think is spot on, and well done for finding that hidden "peace", or should I say war symbol, I didn’t think anybody would see that.
It would be great fun to have a solo exhibition displaying the same kind of material. I wonder what the backlash would be if particularly opinionated individuals were to accidentally see or walk into a gallery exhibiting paintings like this? Surely it would cause a stir( he,he,), because it would be labeled blasphemous. You have freedom of expression, but don’t you dare disrespect God, something sacred or religious! We will stone you for willfully resisting God's saving power and grace. “It is a desperate condition that is beyond the situation of forgiveness.” At the end of the day, it’s all about fear, fear will keep the sheeple in line, and if you dare stray beyond the borders, then there will be cocequences! Revenge! The loving an forgiving god will now all of a sudden transform into a monster to punish and torture all those who dare to question his almighty power.
Ultimately, it would probably be close to impossible to find a gallery willing enough to represent this, because the negative attention would probably chase away a serious amount of religious customers. Owners will not take that financial risk. But who knows, some art folk are quite open-minded, and maybe , just maybe some free minded person would take the chance and exhibit. |
Creational
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Post Number: 247
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Monday, March 16, 2009 - 08:55 pm: |
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Dear Jacoubus,
Well, if the great artist says my interpretation is correct, then it must be. 
As you are well aware, the greatness of any piece of art is the very fact that it is an international and symbolic language speaking flawlessly to humanity about the intrinsic emotional expression of the artist; such as outrage, excitement, appreciation, likes, dislike and many other types of feelings, no matter how controversial the subject matter.
While it is true as your religious friend has confirmed; presently, you may not be able to display your art in a church or their affiliations; but I am optimistic that eventually and sooner than you think, you will find a like minded exhibition arena to be able to express your great art publicly. This was a good start, but it should not end here. As Billy always maintains, your destiny is ultimately in your hand.
The days of fanatics and secular gurus are numbered. It is then your job and mine to communicate with people about the ultimate alternative, being the Creational Spiritual Teachings and truth Billy is revealing to humanity.
Little by little, after we each logically and reasonably have found ourselves ready to express ourselves publicly in our own way, we will take steps toward it. Michael Horn is an excellent example. Aside from his wonderful poetry and other arts, When he is interviewed by people, his talks so effortless about the truth of Billy’s material, that his presentation becomes almost poetic. Truth has magnificent power which can be beyond belief.
You see, as I have gathered within Billy’s material, I too think that generally, we, the people, are naturally seeking spiritual advancement by means of logical and intelligent observations. We are merely deceived by a handful of power hungry money moguls thinking of us as sheepishly admissible. They only know a few of our built in weaknesses and they have used them throughout history.
But this is the era of unmasking and the truth is slowly being revealed. Good luck with your expressions, my friend.(Sorry for the long post.)
Salome,
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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Jacobus
Member
Post Number: 29
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 - 03:09 am: |
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Hi Zhila,
As Billy said to Semjase, “Thanks for the flowers.”
But to be honest, I am still wet behind the ears concerning what I still have to learn, be it creativity artistically, or the Spiritual knowledge Billy provides. There is so much more to soak up and comprehend. And that is what I like about the spiritual truths, there is always something new behind the next corner, new because we have been left in the dark for so long.
We have a big job on our hands with the spreading of the truth. We should use our own unique talents for the purposes of spreading IT. I don’t want to die knowing that I could’ve done more. That would be a waste.
This IS the era of unmasking(I agree), our time is NOW to act. But as you also said slowly, Slowly in terms of our perception. Relative to the age of our universe, this change for the better will happen in a flash. Never before have we had the privilege to learn so much from our mistakes, as we are doing now.
Peace be on Earth, and among all beings! |
Markcampbell
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Post Number: 135
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 - 03:12 pm: |
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Hi Jacobus ;
When you take your art to galleries , they will decide based on their artistic quirks if they will feature it . Don't sell yourself out of the possibilitly . Just don't mention religion . perhaps the cross can be relplaced by a clever symbol , such as a lamb chop or a fish sandwich .
It isn't obvious to them unless you point it out thet it represents the TJ or the OM or anyting else . Even then , they don't know what that is .
Good luck with the marketing of . The artistic mind is not always a business mind , or should I say , never is , until you decide to develop in that direction .
Cheers , Mark |
Jacobus
Member
Post Number: 30
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 - 10:14 pm: |
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Thanks for the support MC,
I am also thinking of doing a painting of the real peace symbol some time, that's going to be fun. Why just focus on the negative? There has to be balance.
Cheers |
Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 96
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 07:10 am: |
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Calling Rod .... and anyone else with a black sense of humor not averse to crude language.
A huge repository of dark sarcasm .... but you cant help but admire the mans grasp on reality.
Here is a sample concerning religion.
http://www.fknnewz.com/view/255/there-is-no-god/
Just navigate to the videos link at top of page for hundreds more.
Cheers.
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Creational
Member
Post Number: 289
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Friday, April 03, 2009 - 01:35 am: |
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Dear Ramirez,
I must say, you have a very interesting collection to share. his is quite a character.
Salome,
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 99
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Friday, April 03, 2009 - 03:16 am: |
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Infiltration of Alternate Movements.
For some good entertainment watch Mr Rael .... self proclaimed UFO contactee.
Listen to his message.
Check out his large ornamental dangler .... swastika inside a 6 pointed star .... how careless
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO_Mmssa3xM
Cheers.
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Historeed
Member
Post Number: 9
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 09:57 am: |
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The article linked below is a good example of how pseudo-Ufologists attempt to incorporate their religious-belief structures into their wild speculations about UFOs & the bible.
www.ufodigest.com/news/0409/expose.php?utm_medium=email&utm_source=Savicom&utm_campaign=UFO%20Digest%20Newsletter%20April%209%2C%202009&utm_term=More...
Historeed
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Redbeard
Member
Post Number: 74
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Friday, April 10, 2009 - 04:39 am: |
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Has anyone watched the movie/documentary Religulous yet. I just watched it and it really puts all religions under the common sense test with some humor tossed in and it asks some hard face to face questions of some common people as well as some leaders. I'd like to know some of your feedback on it. Matt |
Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 116
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, April 11, 2009 - 01:08 am: |
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Redbeard.
Watched the trailer which is promising. Thanks for the tip.
If your interested in another rational common sense challenge - commentary regarding religion try Sam Harris ... The End Of Faith.
(Comment Deleted)
Also has a few speeches & interviews on YouTube.
(Message edited by badr on April 11, 2009)
Cheers.
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Redbeard
Member
Post Number: 76
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 07:45 am: |
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Hello Zila,
I moved from the mission to this section as it seems more related. In reading your post that mentioned Billy's past incarnations with regard to Jmmanuel's speaking of the future in the talmud or was it the contact notes with Asket or both. Anyway it triggered a line of thinking with me about how I originally reacted to this idea of his afore knowledge that his teachings would be turned into a horrible cult resulting in much suffering.
This has been a bit disturbing to for me and I'm sure others perhaps that they knew in advance that the truth taught then would be perverted and/or suppressed, which of course now puts us in this religion mess. But having said the previous in order to explain how I began thinking about the benefits of the incarnations even if they were either obscured in falsification or forgotten consciously by this planet.
One benefit from the previous incarnations was related to the TJ of course that we have this amazing book to help but attached to that and somewhat related to the truth as it relates to the impulses that we are sent from the storage banks. We are receiving these impulses, according to the teachings, as a direct result of past lives truths and lessons learned and permanently stored there.
With that in mind once the truth has been discovered and understood, whether it was from the teachings,Henoch, Eliah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Jmmanuel, Mohammed or Billy, it has been installed on the hard drive and cannot be erased. Even though we may be spoon fed a load of untruth the storage banks will just keep on sending the error message till we get back in line with the truth.
I have questioned why come at all and give the distorters any material to use against us, but with the impulses from our previous lives and the fact that the Giza et's are now gone, we do have great hope for the future.
I can personally vouch for the effectiveness of these impulses as I was unable to continue any longer in the religious direction as a direct result in these promptings that kept me from buying into the dogma.
The next interesting thought might be for many of us is how much of where we are in the truth today is related to a direct contact with the teachings of past Billy Meier incarnations.
All comments welcome,
Matt |
Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 123
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Monday, April 13, 2009 - 12:08 am: |
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Hi Redbeard.
"I have questioned why come at all and give the distorters any material to use against us, but with the impulses from our previous lives and the fact that the Giza et's are now gone, we do have great hope for the future."
Maybe, but only if the message gets out in sufficient clarity & strength to overcome entrenched fantasies some of which are showcased below.
When you appreciate just how many have succumbed to this & similar stuff the enormity of the task becomes apparent. As distasteful as it might seem studying what others believe are actions which facilitate a more unique & penetrating insight into the problem .... supported by an imunity from catching superstition.
That's the beauty of the Meier material. It makes sense compared to other offerings such as the ......
Big Book Of Mormie Mumbo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy0d1HbItOo&feature=related
Here another interesting account of Mormie Historicus Fantasticus supported by interviews with intelligent educated mormies.
Starting about 3 minutes 10 seconds an account of how the Big Book was revealed & uncovered.
Another Bafath hatchet job, magic mushrooms, green herbal cigars or what ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svfxSscxh8o&feature=related
Cheers.
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Mattopenminds
Member
Post Number: 12
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Monday, April 13, 2009 - 07:37 am: |
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Hi Ramirez,
*** the Mormons, I believe my Chinese Takeaway menu has all the answers. In the land of Chickmen with the Black Being Source came the God 'Kung Pao' who through his fiery words given to him by the God Chil-Lye made the.... mmm, I'm getting hungry now.
All the best
Matt |
Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 124
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 09:01 pm: |
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Mattopenminds.
How astute
A gold bound book of fortune cookie messages & laundry receipts offer even more answers than a takeaway menu .... find yours under a rock today.
Cheers.
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Edward
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Post Number: 1393
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 03:42 am: |
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Hi All.....
Thought to mention, that some weeks ago, I watched a News report and it
concerned the Christian Churches in the country I live in. What was the case
in general, was: That the majority of churches in the World(as well our
western countries), are NOT built correctly!!
Facts:
The priest who was interviewed said: We, in the west, are always making fun
and laughter of the muslims always having to face the EAST, well, he said
further...: this too was very common in Christianity!
The fact is, that a church should be built in the way that the public face the
EAST when sitting on the benches. Facing, Bethlehem....where Jesus was born.
And the priest with his 'back' to the mentioned.
So, the priest said, that if a church is not built within this specification:
it is an - Invalid (Christian) Church -. And should be - Rejected -!
So, he further explained, that the Christians just went to work with very much
ignorance, in mind: than their true building specifications applied, as
mentioned. And in essence, such Church(s) not built to the correct
specifications is: NOT....a true Christian Church!
I thought to mentioned this for those whom may find this insight interesting.
Heard of it decades ago, but now it was just - Confirmed - by the priest being
interviewed.
Goes to show, that the Christians not only Falsified their Bible(extracted
from TJ, etc.), but even...their own Churches!
Thus: I think the mentioned above....Tops It All!!
BTW: he also mentioned, that even in prayer, a Christian should always face to
the EAST(; where ever he/she is located)!
Edward. |
Borthwey
Member
Post Number: 103
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 08:46 am: |
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Hi Edward.
Regarding the correct building of churches.
Maybe their construction without regard to orientation is an evolution.
I don't think that one should "throw the baby out with with the bath water" when speaking of religions.
Positive points are to be found together with the detrimentory ones.
When praying or having supposed dialogues with Jesus, people are actually adressing their inner selves. There are many levels within a person, which have different logics and manifestations.
Even within religions and churches, there are different approaches to the practice. Often the less strict ones are the most spiritual.
By praying or holding messes without giving regard to Jesus's place of birth means that "Jesus" is more of an universal thing that is present everywhere. It's less of a cultic worship...
Regards
David
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J_rod7
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Post Number: 857
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 03:25 pm: |
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***
In a quote made in the post #1393, above:
[ "...the Christians not only Falsified their Bible(extracted
from TJ, etc)..." ] --- False information --->
>--- This is not possible, as the TJ was sealed and hidden away until only recently discovered by Billy and Rashid in 1963, as we Know.
***
You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped)
Rod
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Kingman
Member
Post Number: 589
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 05:21 pm: |
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Hi J_rod7,
In your post here;
"In a quote made in the post #1393, above:
[ "...the Christians not only Falsified their Bible(extracted
from TJ, etc)..." ] --- False information --->
>--- This is not possible, as the TJ was sealed and hidden away until only recently discovered by Billy and Rashid in 1963, as we Know."
In the TJ it is written that Judas Ischarioth informs Jmmanuel of the loss of his writings( Jmmanuels teachings). It is these stolen writings that become falsified by the Pharisee's and scribes. So the actual first writings of Jmmanuel were used in this way of being falsified.
Judas was instructed by Jmmanuel to re-write the life and teachings of himself at a later time which became the scrolls that Joseph, Jmmanuels first-born son, eventually returned to the burial cave that Jmmanuel rested in after his crucifixion.
Since the meaning of Talmud is "instruction, learning", anything that was transcribed from the actual words heard from Jmmanuels sermons and such are part of the TJ. How could it be otherwise?
So to say it was "false information" is not truly accurate.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 1397
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2009 - 03:40 am: |
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Hi Shawn....
Long time no hear!
You hit the nail on it's head, there!
Someone knows....the TJ, as he should...
Your given reference...would be mine, also....
And not to forget: that much in those days and after(even though, if not
extracted from the lost writings), went - Mouth to Mouth -! So, there was
enough information going around that was known, and to be Falsified.
Edward. |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 863
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2009 - 03:18 pm: |
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*****
Hello Shawn,
I read this from the Forward of Billy in the Talmud Jmmanuel, Fourth Edition:
"The obscurantists in charge ("Holy See" & fanatical followers /rod) certainly will proceed with all circumspection, skill and intrigues to have the document dismissed, denounced as a hoax and quashed, as has been the case upon publication of other writings whose original scripts, however, were then hidden in the Vatican Library in Rome." --- (Emphasis added /rod).
Therefore the falsified scripts could not include the original script of the Talmud as we have it. The Talmud we now have was not available then.
The False teachings of the churches were codified by The First Council of Nicaea under the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325. This followed the Edict of Milan in 313, which proclaimed religious toleration throughout the empire.
This because Constantine saw the Empire of Rome crumbling from within by the disaffection of so many different beliefs, cults, and gods among the people. Well over 300 years gives a lot of time for word-of-mouth stories and whatever original writings to change in both context and languages across three centuries. Not to mention so many others simply ignored, such as those from Henoch, as these diverse accounts were assembled into a book by these "priests" in Turkey. The Emperors orders were to produce a work which could put the insurrections of the empire to rest. Some few others here need to review History, as well.
Salome
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You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped)
Rod
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