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Ramirez
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Post Number: 334
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Friday, November 27, 2009 - 01:46 am: | 
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Big daddy speaks through a chosen one who performs stage miracles ..... watch and enjoy the lord at work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxqRN5vjDHQ
Cheers.
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Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 96
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Friday, November 27, 2009 - 08:28 am: |
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"What's the difference in killing 20,000 buffalo for sacrifice and killing 20,000 for the big appetite of people... "
ans: A small step in evolution.
Salome. |
Bianca
Member
Post Number: 43
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 04:02 am: |
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Interesting how James Randi is debunking 'other' people, yet he himself cannot bring himself to admit that Billy is the one and only who has true Spiritual capabilities, and still owes Billy $1 Million big ones. Shall we write to him and ask him to pay up? |
Sanjin
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Post Number: 75
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 01:36 pm: |
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This guy is good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjO4duhMRZk
36.The human is another person, when, surrounded by the rays of the heavenly creational sunrise, the pure delight of awakening nature streams through him.
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Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 337
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 01:31 am: |
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Hi Sanjin,
More than good 
Cheers.
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Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 102
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 08:37 am: |
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Hi Sanjin,
What a straight-talking person!
Just wonder though - what is better of the two - a world dominated by atheists or a world dominated by cult religion followers (as is the case now). IMO, the former - at least they will listen to solid logic and proof.
Salome |
Matthew_justin_deagle
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Post Number: 141
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 01:50 pm: |
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Smukhuti,
Unfortunately you are wrong. Atheists are suffering beneath the same religious influences, anxieties about the unknown, and so forth, that religious men and women are. They simply allay their doubts by associating their beliefs with mainstream science, although the two are irreconciliable and science or any other left-brain function can only work insofar as the axioms it depends from are truthful. Science itself needs direct meditation and philosophy, truths in themselves, tautologies, etc, as its basis to have any meaning. Otherwise one cannot make valid inductions. Now in reguard to that necessary philosophy-basis, one must, if one aims to justify any sort of valid science, accept that reality boils down to consciousness, which boils down to spirit and Creation. There is no alternative logic. By deduction, all atheists and agnostics are stupid, primitive, and illogical in their thinking.
Salome,
- Matthew |
Johnnybalmain
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Post Number: 78
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 07:26 pm: |
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I thought atheism is the principle or belief that there is no god. And there aint, so I see it atleast as a first step to using science as a means to deduce the truth.Calling people stupid primitive and illogical is extremely abusive and very negative.
Peace John |
Sitkaa
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Post Number: 102
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 09:17 pm: |
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I would concur: religious thinking is not a function of religion as much as it is a function of blind or unassailable belief. Reality is always questionable by the realistic.
Love is always the way
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Darren
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Post Number: 75
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 10:41 pm: |
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"By deduction, all atheists and agnostics are stupid, primitive, and illogical in their thinking."
I don't know about that because don't Atheists also believe in Science and where scientific knowledge leads to be true/truth? Thats gotta be a tick in one of the boxes, isn't it? |
Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 338
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 01:49 am: |
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Did some mention belief, religion and reality ....
Here is a 6 minute YouTube video featuring a debate on Egyptian television about female circumcision but it has subtitles.
Some quite astonishing statements particularly towards the end and overall a real eye opener regarding the workings of religious islamic minds and in this debate ..... you will be impressed by the females. An education for serious students ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUvrHsPaTSo
Hi Smukhuti,
Quoting you "Just wonder though - what is better of the two - a world dominated by atheists or a world dominated by cult religion followers"
Well maybe that's a core problem .... polar extremes whereas a more sensible solution lies with an alternative choice closer to the centre with Billy's teachings being a good example, but it does take initiative, self responsibility and a capacity to think for oneself so in general humanity still has some way to go before superstition releases it's grasp and I sorta agree with Mathew that Atheism can become almost as dogmatic and totalitarian as religion ..... the cult of commie being a good example.
Basically it was just as structured and neurotic as religion just dressed up in different clothes with the state and fearless leaders taking on the mantle of pseudo gods.
Little red book and party manifesto .... big books of lies with different covers.
Cheers.
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Matthew_justin_deagle
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Post Number: 142
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 10:18 am: |
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Effective reality is not questionable/doubtable, but is directly apprehensible through pure observation and symbol. It is only a guess, opinion, theory, supposition, or other ego-verbal construction which is or could be doubtable.
Thus, human theories must constantly change and refine, but what one apprehends in pure truth NEVER changes, and relies on no human theory or language.
Also, calling humans stupid, primitive and illogical in their thinking when, by deduction, they are, is no barbaric insult or unrefined language, but simply a flatteryless laying-forward of the facts. In telling it like it is I do not condemn the atheists to stay in their stupidity, primitivity (firstliness), unlogic and so forth.
That there must be a universal-consciousness, source of all law and utility, and non-time-bound, infinite-dimensional spirit is a simple and tautological truth, even simpler and more tautological than that evolution happens. If one is not yet cognizant of this truth, one is indeed stupid and confused by unnecessary complication at that. Because one has not yet reached higher levels of consciousness-evolution, one is primitive. And because one's thinking is not logically consistent and therefore self-contradictory, one is illogical in one's thinking.
Salome (genuine peace and not wannabe-diplomacy),
- Matthew |
Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 104
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 11:12 am: |
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Matthew, Ramirez,
I was not comparing Atheist to the Creational truth seekers as such comparison would be absurd with obvious answer.
No doubt that Atheists can be as cultic and dogmatic as cult religion followers. Most atheists did became atheists because they just went against the flow for wanting to go against it without knowing where to go. Others became atheists because they do not believe in anything (the-all-skeptics). But others possessed a teeny-weeny bit of logic and individuality to ignore the social pressure and status-quo and self-realise that big daddy cult is illogical. For example, majority of the cream scientific community of the world (past and present) tend to be atheist or non-theist.
Salome |
Kingman
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Post Number: 703
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 11:54 pm: |
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Large sections of society understand the word, 'atheist', to have very different meanings. I've met several people who call themselves, 'Atheist', and they have a concept of a 'Creation' and deny the idea of a 'God'. Now, they may be ignorant in their understanding of the word itself, but that would hardly qualify a 'stupid' stamp.
Broad brush strokes are not really accurate, or effective, when aimed at large groups. Sure, pulling out a dictionary may offer relief, but on our planet there's probably 500 to choose from, right?
"...confused by unnecessary complication at that."
This seems very familiar in an illogical setting.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Matthew_justin_deagle
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Post Number: 143
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 06:56 am: |
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Smukhuti,
It does not take much intelligence and sense to tell that the religious cults are illogical. Even though being an atheist a few hundred years ago might have been exceptional, we are now nearing the end of the transition-phase of the Age of Aquarius, and so humans should be held to higher standards.
Salome,
- Matthew |
Mgilbo1
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Post Number: 102
Registered: 09-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 09:44 am: |
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First, atheism is just a label used by the church to put people into a dissenting group. If you talk to most so-called or labeled atheists, they may not believe in a god but they do believe in spirituality or a higher consciousness of some form. For someone to call atheists stupid, when the word itself is used to describe non-atheists quite often, just doesn't know what they are talking about. Plus, I would rather have a group of people in limbo about spirituality than having them succumb to religious cults.
Mark Gilbo
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Hector
Member
Post Number: 533
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 11:38 am: |
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Atheism could be the perfect start to liberate people from religious submissiveness, religious fear and religious enslavement. But "radical" atheists show some weaknesses, some flaws which sooner or later will awake many doubts and controversy in their thinking/feeling...
- They think death means the absolute end, death = nothingness. This wrong concept blocks any long-term attempts in order to change reality.
- They think atheist proselitism (missionizing) is ok. So they do not refrain from forcing their beliefs into others. In this case they do not respect free will.
- They exclusively rely on their senses: There only exists what can be measured with today's instruments or what can be perceived by the 5 senses. The second (dual) part of reality (fine matter) is not accessible to them, because they deliberately deny its existance.
- Many "radical" atheists show quite dangerous vindictive (vengeful) sentiments towards religious people, and consider them stupid, incapable people, 3rd class citizens. They really consider themselves superior, morally and intellectually. Many times they show no humility, no respect towards those who do not embrace their theories.
Advantages: Their ultimate God, the entity they praise all day long, is the scientific method. So at least they try to use logic, rationality and common sense in order to prove the validity of their statements. |
Matthew_justin_deagle
Member
Post Number: 144
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 01:48 pm: |
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Hector,
Or rather they believe that they are trying to use the scientific method, logic, etc. Even a working left-brain intelligence eventually reaches its boundaries, though, and these are well known (incompletenesses of mathematics and languages in general, the problem of induction, the problem of universals, the wherefrom of the universe considering causality, the many paradoxes of physics, and the inconsistencies of different theories, etc, etc, etc), so there is little excuse for being a materialist atheist.
Even in the literal sense of having 'no god' it is a stray teaching in denying the honour of gods and goddesses who have attained true wisdom.
Salome,
- Matthew
Note: relative the above-mentioned paradoxes, and those not mentioned, some science-worshippers take such mentions as mere 'bad-mouthing' of something that 'works', but the issue is not whether science is 'good' or 'bad' at all, but rather WHY causality and science can work, WHY inductions work, and WHY humans can have free will notwithstanding determinism, etc. |
Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 105
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 02:41 pm: |
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The current 'scientific method' is a flawed religious ceremony. Doubt influences results. An option that might correct this would be to amend the scientific method to conduct experiments based upon open-ended wonder, rather than doubt.
And 'common sense' is another interesting turn of phrase - it denotes a 'sense' we all share in 'common', although the connotation is abit more vague. For instance 'love' might be common sense, even though we cannot yet prove/disprove it.
The point here is that by common definitions
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism)
atheistic reasoning is derived from flawed thinking. Atheism is still just a religion because it is ultimately bound up in an unassailable belief, even though this belief is an unassailable disbelief.
Can you religiously 'know' that your model of reality is based on some absolute reality? Yes, as long as you have adopted the simplest and most logical model you 'know'. However, in the strictest terms, it is still just a belief. Perhaps the only person who has no religion is the person who has no beliefs, who from moment to moment accepts reality as it is, and for whom any truth is true.
Love is always the way
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Johnnybalmain
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Post Number: 79
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 06:18 pm: |
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For myself religion was forced upon me by a caring mum who thought she was doing the right thing.When I think about it she probably did without knowing it.
I always battled with the concept of free will also the forgiving but unforgiving god. As I grew older the whole christian thingy started to make less and less sense to me. At age 13 mum gave me a choice whether I would like to continue going to church or whatever. I immediately chose whatever but began in earnest to seek the answer in other directions eg Tibetan Book of the Dead.
I had no problem in addressing the issue that there is definately something going on for I reasoned that if energy cannot be destroyed then whatever happens to our thoughts which I define as an energy.Studying the writings of Billy has helped me immensely in grasping a more real truth.I by no means understand it all but the concepts sit easy within me. I feel content within that the reason for our lives is disclosed truthfully within Billy's writings.
Religion is the vehicle to prevent the human being from practicing their free will.
The concept of the evolution of the consciousness as the reason for life does it for me.
Peace John |
Darren
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Post Number: 76
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 06:59 pm: |
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Mathew about the materialistic atheist (scientists) thing. Many Scientists call themselves Atheists without knowing what one really is. You ask them if they believe in a God or spirit and they say back "I believe in Science and facts" (we also know that many scientists are religous too but I'm not talking about them)
Anyway are materialistic atheists and thier line of thinking a bad thing considering we're told that our scientists will soon/eventually have technology to detect the spirit/energies? So Science can/will eventually put society on the right spirit track, wether we got there before hand or not by other means. |
Matthew_justin_deagle
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Post Number: 146
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 07:31 pm: |
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Even though he argues from intellect without an optimally simple or symbolic language, Christopher Langan, the American with the highest recorded IQ in that land, tears to shreds the fallacious prejudices and belief-assumptions of atheism with his 'CTMU'. His paper is available online if one will read it.
He demonstrates quite well how mere material intellect will always rely on spiritual, tautological truth for its theories to have any consistency, and therefore for its will/plans to have any effectiveness.
Salome,
- Matthew |
Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 105
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 09:49 am: |
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Darren,
Thats a very good point. I second your thought - "Anyway are materialistic atheists and thier line of thinking a bad thing considering we're told that our scientists will soon/eventually have technology to detect the spirit/energies? So Science can/will eventually put society on the right spirit track, wether we got there before hand or not by other means."
But science could/can do this only if a civilization do not destroy itself in a cultic fit of religion and survive long enough for its science to reach a level where spirit energies can be discovered.
Salome. |
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