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Darren
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Post Number: 79
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 05:38 pm: | 
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Smukhuti,
That was also what I was trying to get at in my number 75 post (which sparked off this materialist atheist-scientists debate) but I was unsure if Mathew or anyone else understood thats what i meant there until i better explained myself now. my fault, sorry. |
Darren
Member
Post Number: 80
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 05:47 pm: |
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....and your right about it being only if a civilization do not destroy itself first. Unforetunetly thats the crossroads we're nearing at now. |
Matthew_justin_deagle
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Post Number: 149
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 08:34 pm: |
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Darren,
It's not science that I have a problem with, but pseudoscience, such as much of psychology, parapsychology, the outrageously named 'philosophy', atheistic and 'skeptical' (criticism-addicted) ways of thinking, etc.
There are also present the terrifying possibilities that probably will upspring from the attemptations (Versuchung!) of megalomaniacal scientists suffering under such delusional ways of thinking as atheistic 'philosophy', psychology, etc. One need only think on and imagine from such words as cyborg, wet-wiring, microchip-implant, genetic hybrid, monster, nuclear weapon, space war, antimatter weapon, robotic assassin, death ray, microwave cannon, ELF antenna array, HAARP, for examples, in order to obtain some concept of these dangers.
Salome,
- Matthew |
Edward
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Post Number: 1552
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 04:42 am: |
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Hi All....
I would agree with: Shawn, Mark and Hector.
Have the same such confrontations with them(atheists). Not bad or negative
individuals at all. They just process - Existence - in their OWN Logical STUDY
('unacknowledged' Scientific, for some) manner. Mind: STILL (seeking) within
the framework of Creational Spirituality! Even though, some aspects I would
not agree with them. Like we all have at times.
But, I would not per se say: they are Stupid, in any shape or form. Maybe
Ignorant/unknowing (to certain facts, of Life/Existence)...to some extent, but
no more. They have their OWN way in going about in life, and which should also
be respected, just as any Cult Religious individuals. They all have the
FREEDOM to Evolve, as they wish/please. Which is a true unconditional factor
within the processing of Creation. "Seek...Find...and Perfect!"
Edward. |
Marbar
New member
Post Number: 2
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 04:57 am: |
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Darren, all these religions, the only thing they care about is getting the most followers. For example, the Catholic church recently say that they are expecting life on other planets. To me, all it is to get more followers to join there no good relgion. |
Smukhuti
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Post Number: 109
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 12:20 pm: |
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The Catholic church, at a very top level is aware of Billy Meier and follows Billy's message (see contact report 434 for a hint).
They are terrified of the change to come - change towards truth in 800 years; possible extraterrestrial encounter even before that; continued advancement of science answering life's unknown; the list goes on...
From Henoch prophecy - "The point in time at which these prophecies will begin to be fulfilled will be when a Pope will no longer reside in Rome. All of Europe will then fall victim to a terrible punishment by evil powers. The Christian religion will collapse and the churches and monasteries will end up in ruins and ashes."
It will be a real irony that the same chuch that keep people away from the truth can be a victim of the people it has kept in spiritual ignorance. The same applies for other religions which will be washed away sooner or later.
The acceptance or suggestion of Catholic church that there may be life on other planets is because a lot of people are thinking on that line and mentally challenging the crown of God's creation theory. The acceptance is just a way to ensure that this set of people do not desert church because of conflicting views.
Salome |
Redbeard
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Post Number: 154
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, December 06, 2009 - 06:59 am: |
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Hello Smukhuti and Marbar,
Yes unfortunately both of you are very close to the truth. Some of the facts and prophecies do give us good reason to meditate. I read the 434 th contact and it has much to say about the Pope and his twisted business.
Also in the report is an estimate by Ptaah of the percentage of humans on earth that are "caught up" in religion and those that are otherwise oriented and I must say that I am surprised at the large believer numbers.
Here's an excerpt of Contact 434 that relates to this:
Ptaah
16. Also, our investigations that ended last week have yielded clarity with regard to the religiosity of the Earth people, whereby only God-religions are included in this, while Buddhism is excluded, however.
17. Thus, outside of Buddhism, 82.7 percent of terrestrial humanity are caught up in a religious faith of the most diverse denominations and sects and, therefore, are no longer capable of using their own reason and their own intellect in a clear manner, as well as using it independently and without bias.
18. In our investigations, startling findings arose in that the great mass of these religious believers and sect believers of all persuasions, with their erroneous religious teachings, are always willing to yield to hatred and strife and are also willing to advocate acts of revenge and retaliation or even independently to exercise murder, manslaughter, war, and destruction.
19. The paradox here is that once again, the majority of these people do not wish for murder, manslaughter, war, or destruction, yet in this connection, everything is endorsed, nevertheless, if the religions and state power call for it or if it allegedly serves for their security.
20. In contrast, 17.3 percent are those who do not belong to any religious persuasion but who are freethinkers or who are devoted to teaching the truth.
21. But of these, 1.9 percent indulge themselves in complete indifference to all matters of world events and ideologies, etc.
22. The remaining 15.4 percent are those who - on the whole, consciously or unconsciously - follow the teachings of the truth, the teachings of life, and with this, the guidelines of the teaching of the spirit, and with this, the creative-natural laws.
23. Thus, it proves itself clearly and irrefutably that religiose faith bears a lot of guilt for all the miseries and evils that are widespread among all of humanity and that will continue to spread.
24. If the Earth people would voluntarily turn from their own volition, without compulsion and without being converted but rather out of clear reason and a clear understanding of the real teaching of the truth, the spirit teachings, and the teachings of life, as this is in your and the FIGU members’ mission, then they would change themselves to the true life and to the true lifestyle.
Peace, Matt
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Darren
Member
Post Number: 84
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, December 07, 2009 - 01:23 am: |
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Marbar thats not what I was trying to get at. Please reread from 75 post if you like to see what it was. |
Marbar
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 05:46 pm: |
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Another reason why religion must go.
http://www.tauntongazette.com/news/x1903566059/Taunton-second-grader-suspended-over-drawing-of-Jesus
Religious people take things too far. |
Edward
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Post Number: 1578
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 05:14 am: |
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Hi Marbar....
Well, a Public School/college, here... wanted to be quite 'neutral' and not
put up a Christmas tree, but the Christians orientated felt left out and
complained. It even made national news! In the end, the school lost and had to
put up a tree.
The school was not a Christian or others, type of school.
If One is not Christian, and does not want to erect a Christmas tree, One
still has NO right...to manifest 'Neutrally'. And those Christians feel as
victims! Think it would be the other way around!!!
Edward. |
Marbar
Member
Post Number: 19
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 10:40 am: |
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Hello Edward,
The problem is,it seems like religious people always get what they want about 95% of the time. If you say no to one of them, that one person will get upset about. Plus, he/she will get all his/her friends and family and all of them will jump on you. To add more, it is like they shoot first and ask questions later. |
Baselineplayer
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Post Number: 53
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Monday, December 21, 2009 - 12:33 am: |
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Very interesting discussion about how religious people thinks and acts. That is also why I regard them with very low esteem.
It is almost like meeting political fanatics. They do not listen, they do not show respect, they believe that their cause is the only right way etc.
We have the same kind of people in the business life too. Career people who only looks at their own advances and their own accounts and wallets. Then the show other people a lot of disrespect.
It is like an epidemics among the mankind.
As I say a very good expression used in Sweden. I would not like to reach those kinds of people except with gloves and pincers. They shall be kept on distance.
Med Bästa Hälsningar / Mit Besten Grüssen / With Best Regards
/Baselineplayer
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Ramirez
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Post Number: 358
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 03:22 am: |
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Hi Marbar,
"Another reason why religion must go."
I'd agree here. A child who draws pictures of someone on a cross is sick, however, where did these ideas come from ?
Cheers.
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Markcampbell
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Post Number: 318
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 10:44 am: |
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I don't agree that the child who draws someone on a cross is sick ; however those that carry on the myth of it's errant 'relevance' have gotten used to the 'virus' and are now addicted to it . The kid is just a bad artist . |
Redbeard
Member
Post Number: 156
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 05:42 pm: |
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Here's a link to a man discussing the highlights of his book (about 7 mins. long) and he and the narrator touch on eliminating fundamentalist religions, and other beliefs like those, in favor of the golden rule...
Click the link and then click under the title (searching for balance in religion) and click on the listen symbol..
http://www.hereandnow.org/2009/12/rundown-1221/#2
Peace, Matt
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Marbar
Member
Post Number: 21
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2009 - 10:18 am: |
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Hi Darren, Base, and, Mark,
About religious people, they make their children go to church and read those materials. With some people, if a person don't follow their religion or quit going to church, they will be ignored.
Here is a quote from one of my favorite video games: "Power can only be wielded at the expense of others." To me, that quote truly applies to religion.
Here is somes questions I found on a website, you should re}}ad some of the comments: http://www.sodahead.com/religion/my-friend-gets-punished-by-her-parents-if-she-doesnt-go-to-church-even-though-shes-agnostic/question-700071/
http://www.sodahead.com/religion/should-children-be-forced-to-go-to-church/question-535165/ |
Darren
Member
Post Number: 99
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2009 - 01:16 pm: |
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Hi Marbar,
I was brought up in a highly religous (catholic) family home. I was forced to go to Church every Sunday and as far as I can remember, I never once believed in any of that religous crap that I was subjected too. (i think having a number 7 at top of my numerology chart had something to do with it:awareness/protection) I stopped going to church when i reached around 14 years and was old enough to stand up against my parents for my own beliefs.
hey, isn't that phrase out of (my favorite) video game 'Oblivion'?  |
Marbar
Member
Post Number: 23
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2009 - 06:28 pm: |
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Darren,
I grew up in a neighborhood with 7 or 8 churches in it. I really never liked going to church, but after awhile, I went with it for years. When I became a teen, I hardly ever went to church. Now, that I quit believing in God, it is very hard for me to tell alot of people.
The quote that is in my post number 21 is from "Dynasty Warriors: Gundam 2". Athrun Zala is the character who says that quote. |
Redbeard
Member
Post Number: 157
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Friday, December 25, 2009 - 07:21 am: |
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Here is an excerpt of Billy's that is quite provocative, truth filled and disturbing as to the effect of something that is so deeply rooted in our societies. Can the Millions of years of delusion be reversed in hundreds of years? It seems a little incredible but perhaps the personal and peace meditations will increase and have a multiplying effect as we move forward, we have much work to do, inside and outside.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Sects:_Main_Religions_as_Mother_Sects_and_their_“Advisors_on_Sects”
Above all, the Christian churches claim for themselves all religious and cult-like rights in order to denigrate as sects not only religious communities but also non-religious communities who are against every religious belief, all religious rituals, cult-like behaviour and generally everything religious and sectarian; and they do so irrespective of the fact that they, as Christian churches, are the most extensive and most enormous religious sects and with their criminal machinations have brought since time immemorial the most murders, manslaughters, treacheries, crimes, persecutions and exploitations to the humankind of Earth, for which the inquisition is well the best example. And all this through an artificially created belief in an imaginary god, which exists in an irrational and dangerous way only as a genetically rooted sickness in the brain of the human being. God is fundamentally an imaginary creation of the human being, or rather the human brain. This imaginary god has been inherited by human beings for millions of years in a form of a schizophrenic epileptic delusion and is fixed in the temporal lobe as well as in the parietal lobe. When religious experiences manifest, forms of schizophrenic delusions are formed at the same time and are, therefore, a result of a genetically inherited religious belief.
Peace, Matt
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Darren
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Post Number: 100
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, December 25, 2009 - 12:13 pm: |
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Marbar,
Same here. Its very hard for me also to tell anyone in my family/friends about Meier material. I used to talk but now I learnt my lesson and don't bother mentioning Meier material at all unless specifically asked about UFO's, and if so, I will say something like "the billy meier ufo contact case looks interesting" and thats it. But I doubt if any of people I said that too ever looked/took it any further then that. |
Hector
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Post Number: 543
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Friday, December 25, 2009 - 02:54 pm: |
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Hi Darren, Marbar, ideas and concepts can be compared to seeds.....Seeds will only germinate on favorable soils, and under certain favourable conditions. Some environments are not favorable/suitable for sowing revolutionary ideas & concepts, these ideas or concepts will not germinate and multiply. They will fall short of their favourable conditions; common sense, rationality, understanding, logic, so the seeds won't sprout. But sometimes the law of attraction does its job and we meet people who share similar, common views and interest with us, and among such same like-minded individuals our revolutionary, pioneering views will probably germinate, grow, mature, expand and multiply.... |
Tobi
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Friday, December 25, 2009 - 03:44 pm: |
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Darren.
Maybe its a good idea to order one of the contact notes books and show it to friends because these notes are also illustrated with newspaper articles and relate to the world of news they are already familiar with, and then they also wonder why it is predicted and learn some logic.
Or use some artikles from the TheyFly site from Micheal Horn to show that what is predicted seems to become fact these days, earthquake
vulcano activity, overpopulation, migration problem (the pope adressed it today, and clearly is ignorant)
well hoping that this is a good advice Salome
Tobi |
Darren
Member
Post Number: 102
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, December 25, 2009 - 10:11 pm: |
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Hi Hector,
Thats a nice/good way of looking at it.
Hi Tobi,
I haven't tried the contact notes, but I have tried showing my friends/people some of meier books and videos with no success. They always hand them back, at best, saying it was interesting but that they're not fully convinced over it and take it no further. (i think the amount of disinfo out there is a lot to blame here) As for simply talking to people about meier case, I gave that up long ago as I'm sure some people here have too.
I agree that pointing out meiers predictions to people is the best avenue to go though. |
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