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Zenanand
New member
Post Number: 4
Registered: 06-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2011 - 06:06 am: | 
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Dear Memo00,
agree that Billy and his friends have more important things to talk about.
i have been reading and hearing Osho's discourses since 2000 and Borthwey says he did contribute to pour some sanity into the world.
I am in search of truth and only truth and am a recent member of the FIGU community. My friend Bodhisatva Oshoji Premtirth who is very highly inspired by Billy introduced me to his teachings and i love his teachings.
Have nothing against Billy or Osho, whoever is a source of truth, i love to hear them.
Love,
Zen Anand
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Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 495
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 - 10:51 am: |
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Another note: should Isaac Tigrett (reluctantly) seek to run the Sai Baba org, I think to myself 'more power to him'. Why not?
If you are gonna believe in hooey, why not believe in hooey that doesn't smell so bad?
Fur leben.
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Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 497
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 - 09:16 am: |
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Well, I wish he would rest in peace, and that I would never have to consider him again, but it is not tobe. And quite frankly, it pisses me off that his legacy refuses to simply fade into obscurity on a heavenly cloud of blessings and good will. Instead, the Sai Baba organization is almost hilarious in how quickly it is being stripped of credibility - almost funny but for the numbers of people (many good friends) whose entire worldviews are falling down around them. Instead, this is something more akin to a tragedy.
Perhaps this will happen for other religious cults someday, that Christians will lose their way, and Jews will disassemble, and Muslims will lay down their offensive defenses, and Hindus will stop playing with dolls. I imagine that something similar will happen to most Christians and Jews soon, and perhaps abit further off for the Muslims and Hindus of the world, but this is just an expectation. It probably won't be so dramatic, not so quick as the Sai Baba stuff. You might consider watching it, just to see how pathetic a worldview crash can be.
In the interests of posterity, consider how his legacy is being impacted by posthumous events. When Sai Baba's home was posthumously opened it was an official event. A number of important official type (Indian) people were in attendance at the event. Among the interesting tidbits found was a stash of precious metals and cash, I forget the exact figures but I think it translated to about 5 or 10 millions of dollars. It would seem that other caches have been found as well. This is disconcerting for the Sai Baba followers because Sai Baba didn't appear to have any need for money, and thus people are wondering why he had it stashed away in his home.
Additionally, various personages have come out appearing to vie for leadership of the organization, although in an uplifting sorta spiritual sorta way. For example, consider Isaac Tigrett's pronouncements of a new golden age of peace and harmony come to Earth, just a coupla decades in the future:
http://vimeo.com/24746979
The implication here is that he could best lead the org into this new age.
And even more telling, Sai Baba's family, presumably his beneficiaries, have been ransacking the org's coffers:
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/sai-babas-nephew-to-be-questioned-114095
Perhaps they are thinking less of their immortal souls, and more of laughing all the way to the bank.
Yes, this really just makes me pretty mad.The man is dead and gone by now. His legacy was supposed to be pristine, and the org that followed on to last at least until his next incarnation as Prema Sai Baba. Instead, the gyrations it is going through right now expose the man as a fraud, and the people surrounding him as greedy and self-serving. Such is not how I want to remember him. All of this causes me to question what I have learned by him. So much of it integrated into my own character over so many years that I hardly know where to discern in myself what needs to be discarded. I can't imagine what some of my friends are going through, if not just outright schizoid denial. Pretty damn pissed off about the whole thing, to say the least - and at myself for falling for this crap, most of all.
So now I look over this Billy Meier material with jaded eyes. The presuppositions here can be abit much to swallow, such as the idea of self-evidential truth, no matter that it may be. What is there to believe in?
Only love.
Let me bring this down a notch or two to something more mundane, Earthly, common. I am imagining myself sitting at an outdoor cafe in Venice, listening to music and watching the fashionable people walk by. Supertramp, Oh Darling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgFsQgbdGLs
Love is the ever fashionable costume that fits all occasions.
Fur leben.
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Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 611
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2011 - 09:48 pm: |
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Have a look ...... is he onto something ? .... some here might agree.
15 minutes on Youtube with Christopher Hitchens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQorzOS-F6w&feature=related
Cheers.
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Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 508
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 07:58 am: |
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Thanks for link, Ramirez. It is nice to see a more extreme perspective on religion than my own.
For the most part, Christopher Hitchens appears to me to be right, but I do not agree with his attitude. Although he rightly points out that religion has had many negative impacts which we are all just waiting to see once we wake up from our mass hypnotic myth, for myself I cannot maintain such an attitude of enmity for people of faith. When dropping religious beliefs there is a certain amount of pent-up energy that is no longer held back, no longer damned by faith, but once we get through this we are simply more immune to further religious thinking, and perhaps more cynical as well. In that way I cannot personally maintain a hatred of other (religious) people... just because religious people are ethically deluded does not make them my enemies. We also have self-centered delusions regarding the ethics of our society's economic systems with far-reaching and horrible consequences, and yet we have to deal with the ramifications of slyly justified economic priorities pretty much constantly. Holding onto enmity in such relationships only gives it fertile ground in which to grow.
On another note, the Sai Baba org is rebounding from its gyrations. It now appears that much of the previously popularly reported greediness and power grabbing antics following his death were overblown and/or incorrect. The question now is whether Sathya Sai Babaism will evolve into a full-blown religion in its own right or just get absorbed by Hinduism.
One thing that I think needs to be further considered here is that societies need a single point to peg all of their moral developments to, a single point to pin all other altruistic philosophical priorities on, a single point of either agreement or contention. Conceptually, this is a spiritual point. Rather than using the concept of a vague and incorrect 'god' to justify our society's vaguely altruistic ideals, might I suggest the concept of 'love', something which everyone can explore for themselves, a concept which is deep enough to keep everyone occupied for a long, long, long time.
Love is a wonderful expression for life.
Fur leben.
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Stephen_moore
Member
Post Number: 299
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Monday, October 03, 2011 - 03:53 pm: |
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Salome Jacob Smits,
During a recent private talk with you, you mentioned that you would explain the difference between religion and relegeon.
Is it posible for you to say a few words here about this?
Salome
Website addresses - www.ufofacts.co.cc - www.thecircleforhumanity.net
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 2218
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2011 - 04:07 am: |
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Hi Stephen....
Positively you and Jacob do not mind me posting to your question?
The below definition are quite simple and direct.
WHAT IS RELIGION? WHAT IS RELEGEON?
To define the difference between religion and relegeon, the spirit plane
ARAHAT ATHERSATA has disclosed the following:
Chapter IV, Evolution, Verses 75-80
75. Only relegeon must be used for evolution - never religion as implemented
according to your current concepts on Earth.
76. In order to experience evolution, the truth, wisdom, mastery, knowledge,
love and others must be gathered and united once again from currently existing
principles.
77. Yet, a religious-type format, that is, a reverse link, destroys relegeon
already in its basic substance and prevents it from ever finding fertile
ground.
78. A relegeon format alone is capable of inducing profound successes
-religious formats can never accomplish this.
79. From relegeon originates effective knowledge, which results in further
wisdom and knowledge.
80. These, in turn, ensure that the path of evolution may be entered into
through both forms.
Relegeon is the factor leading back toward the Creative Truth, toward the
Ur-Truth of all Creative growth.
Expressed in a religious sense, religion implies a reverse-bond to a god,
respectively a creator, within the constraints of religions, to whom man must
subordinate himself.
Edward. |
Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 620
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Monday, October 10, 2011 - 01:28 pm: |
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Here is a place jam packed with religion: http://www.youtube.com/user/vatican
though I think the old guy in Switzerland with the beard who wears check flannel shirts & jeans has a more accurate version of reality .... compare and decide.
Cheers.
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Ryn_odom
New member
Post Number: 2
Registered: 10-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, October 13, 2011 - 01:07 am: |
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I love Billy Meier < never have i been so interested in a source for knowledge as i have with him. This man has went to the core of what it means to be human and brought back to us that missing blueprint of life. Thank You Billy |
Retchie1973
New member
Post Number: 3
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Friday, November 11, 2011 - 05:46 am: |
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hello my dearest friends first of all i would like to thank the moderators for accepting me as a new member, it just occurred to me out of the blue that i asked myself about my real purpose in life, i have been brought up as a conservative Catholic here in the Philippines but through time i come to question my religion/denomination for there were flaws in my own point of view....then i have researched it for 3 years about the Real Truth, read books from Zecharia Sitchin to Dan Brown until out of the blue came passed the name Eduard Meier what's funny was the title of the video is Billy Meier a hoax but i proceed to research more on his materials/contact notes until I have read the Spiritual teaching, the Truth, and the Creation....With all my heart I would like to Thank BEAM for guiding me to the Right Path! now Iam very comfortable and happy best of all I know understand my existence!
And to Michael Horn, FIGU too for the untiring work!
Salome,
Retchie Martinez
retchupax
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Earthling
Member
Post Number: 597
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2011 - 03:24 am: |
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Retchie,
Welcome aboard the Truth Train! 
Salome,
Bruce |
Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 415
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2011 - 11:23 am: |
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Welcome Retchie, it's great to see that even the defamers of the Meier material are doing their part in helping the mission. It sure looks good on them. It's wonderful to see more truth seekers finding Eduard (Billy) Meier.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Marbar
Member
Post Number: 193
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2011 - 12:34 pm: |
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I learned that the Catholic Chruch had a part in taking newborns away from their real parents in Spain for no good reason. Now, I would like to know if Billy and the Plejarens know anything about that. |
Retchie1973
New member
Post Number: 4
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2011 - 08:12 am: |
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thanks Bruce and justsayno! hope I could read more valuable inputs with the members
Retchie
retchupax
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Retchie1973
Member
Post Number: 6
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2011 - 08:25 am: |
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hey guys i have a question....what pushed me to ask myself about my purpose in life which led me to search for the Truth?
Salome,
Retchie
retchupax
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Redbeard
Member
Post Number: 209
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2011 - 03:08 pm: |
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Retchie
Probably impulses from the storage banks....which are the result of past life experiences coming into play...
Peace, Matt
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Retchie1973
Member
Post Number: 7
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Monday, November 14, 2011 - 05:18 am: |
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Matt thanks for that !
peace in wisdom,
retchie
retchupax
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Michaelhelfert
Member
Post Number: 28
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2011 - 05:49 pm: |
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I just got back from a lovely trip to Tucson for the weekend, reacquainting myself with old friends and old haunts. It was overcast for most of the trip, but still just wonderful to be back. Tis the season to do good chanting, falalalala... So I sung with my old spiritual groups - the Sweat and the Sai Baba Center, and annual private gathering at a friend's house. All of the celebrations were inclusive of all religious forms, this being the product of a spiritual subculture that has developed in Tucson over the past coupla decades. With sincere fervor we chanted Jewish songs, and Sai Baba songs, and Native American songs, and you name it.
Some of the people in these groups are somewhat open to the idea extraterrestrial visitations, but the topic can only be brought up very gently. And some people simply don't want to hear it, don't want to know, and are saddened that I have left that special crowd of Tucsonans I have loved, striking out for a new horizon.
I spose I can't be kept in a cage, and I wish for no stagnation in my life. If I figure out something is real, I face it directly. Though some are, I wish All of my friends were of the same caliber. They are all good people, good hearted and honest. The Plejaren material is generally amenable to spirituality, but is antithetical to religions. This is a hard pill for my friends to swallow. Since we have started a small snowball rolling downhill and gathering momentum and attention, they will eventually have to come to terms with the paradigm the Plejaren present.
As long as love is what is true, then the truth can be whatever it needs to be.
Life
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Sarah
Member
Post Number: 98
Registered: 10-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2011 - 07:50 pm: |
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If I understand correctly, I think relegeon is sort of the opposite of religion. A bit like how black is to white. And of coarse, Earth religion is quite possibly very very black.
But relegeon, according to a friend of mine the acknowledgement of the unstoppability of evolution.
By keeping you in a state of extreme fear of death or whatever (Like when Earth religions burned people at the stake) doesn't that sort of hinder a persons evolution in any particular lifetime? |
Bronzedesk
Member
Post Number: 54
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Monday, December 19, 2011 - 06:34 am: |
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Tucson is my home base! Left in 1966!
"Creation doesn't give us what we want! We give creation what it ultimately needs! And anyone who never has made a mistake in his whole entire life has never ever tried to do anything new."
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Michaelhelfert
Member
Post Number: 29
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Monday, December 19, 2011 - 06:19 pm: |
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Here is how I currently see relegeon. Feel free to correct me if you like.
Relegeon can be seen as the framework for developing a spiritual philosophy on life. At some times, relegeon sees this as important, at other times that as important, since the main concern is the development of conscious awareness. We emphasize what we focus on, and relegeon points the way towards self-determined discernment of the truth, whatever it may be.
Life
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Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 651
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Friday, December 30, 2011 - 04:52 pm: |
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Read just one paragraph from the big book of lies:
Isaiah 7.14
Cheers.
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Ilovebilly
Member
Post Number: 64
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 08:34 pm: |
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G'day Sitkaa
re;
In that way I cannot personally maintain a hatred of other (religious) people... just because religious people are ethically deluded does not make them my enemies.
Yes we need to remember The Teachings tell us if we hate anyone we really are hating ourselves and The Creation, we are less powerful and degenerate then. You can feel its true when you do it, you feel light as a feather and make good judgements, Its best to understand things with logic in a Neutral Positive way then act, like Captain Kirk.
If you stop drinking milk you are physically/mentally stronger also. Drinking milk is a habit but with the correct thinking its easy to give up, I drink Oat and Almond milk, i do not consider it a milk substitute as then you compare it to milk, when i drink it i do so as i like the taste its better than milk
its like how they sell that fake bacon, its turkey that tastes like bacon but not quite, i think they will sell more if they just sell it as flavoured turkey. not that i eat bacon or the mentioned turkey just an example
If we are Neutral Positive and Know/Feel the power is in us and not worship ANYTHING we will think correctly, concentrate on what we are doing not what others are doing. We use our lives to evolve.
You should feel sorry for lost souls who live a confused life, many of them are good people or would be if they had The Truth. Some people just believe what the tv or religious parents tell them and have never seen The Teachings. We can help them. Live and Help Live. Are you making changes to your surroundings today.
ilovebilly :-)
Salome
Peter
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining
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