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Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 42
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 - 08:40 am: | 
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Howdy Peter,
I just don't understand what you are trying to say here. Can you simplify it for me?
Thanks in advance,
Michael aka sitkaa
Life
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Ilovebilly
Member
Post Number: 73
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2012 - 02:29 am: |
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G'day Michaelhelfert
Why you got 2 nics mate?
What dont you understand?
Just worry about this bit
The Teachings tell us if we hate anyone we really are hating ourselves and The Creation, we are less powerful and degenerate then. You can feel its true when you do it, you feel light as a feather and make good judgements, Its best to understand things with logic in a Neutral Positive way then act, like Captain Kirk.
ilovebilly
Salome
Peter
Salome
Peter
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining
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Rfluna
New member
Post Number: 2
Registered: 02-2012
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2012 - 01:37 pm: |
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Hello everyone... thanks to all for your comments... very interesting to share point of views from different sides of the planet.
Been looking for the truth for so many years by now, I was raised in a catholic loving family and even studied A LOT about the bible and religion (I even have a priest brother), but somehow there were a bunch of questions without answer. Suffered depression for so many years since a teenager, never took medication but religion and God were not able to help me.
I have always liked astronomy and at a very young age I knew/thought there were life outside our planet... somehow it just made sense to me. Also, have been always a UFO curious guy... so one thing led to another... took a look into Billy's case because of the discs, and to my surprise I discovered very interesting information that it happened to convince me.
Anyway, at my 40th birthday I really opened my mind and start reading more about Billy... so at this point I am convinced... started meditation, got rid of ALL my previous beliefs and there I was..!! One happy, more reasonable guy WITHOUT DEPPRESSION..!!
So... enough about me... I just have one big question... and as soon as the section to do so is open I am going to take my chance... sohere it is and I would greatly appreciate your comments to this:
What happens with all the Christian Saints, miracles, etc..?? Where they all fake and regular histories exagerated through time..??
Thank you all members, FIGU and moderatos.
RFLUNA |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 442
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2012 - 08:19 am: |
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Hi Rfluna - all faked and exagerated. The body can heal itself when given the right tools. Look how many Jmmanuel helped heal. In the contact notes it is said that mudda teresa sold children and told their parents they were dead. Isn't she a saint? It can be argued that she did the right thing because the children did not have much of a chance. But then comes the lying to parents and making them believe their children were dead, which is just unchristianlike any way you look at it. Which just goes to show that the catholics are not that picky about who they turn into saints. Maybe the saints are chosen by how much money they made for the catholic church?
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Hawaiian
Member
Post Number: 44
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2012 - 03:12 pm: |
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Aloha Sheila,
You have a way of words in relation to the amighty saver religious dogmas! I think mother (saint) Teresa generated over $200 million from selling Indian babies that flowed into the Vatican coffers that must surely have raised a few eyebrows of the -$*$- pope and his cronies!
A "good" Mormon is "required" to donate 10 percent of his/her earnings to the church of the imposter Jesus Christ, so in theory if a fellow Mormon donates 20 percent, then he is actually in better favor with god because he gave more....what a scam...and I'm happy I told this imposter in a dream to go and "shove it". |
Rfluna
New member
Post Number: 3
Registered: 02-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2012 - 11:05 am: |
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Thanks for your comments Justsayno... I also believe they were exageration from people. But also ask myself how did they do it..?? like for example the L'anciano miracle at Italy (I read the whole book and many others about miracles and saints)... It would be very interesting how they got a piece of somebody heart and put it there... not that I blieve in the miracle itself, but just wonder about the how.
Salome.
RL |
Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 444
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2012 - 09:57 am: |
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Aloha Hawaiian, yes I bet the catholic church really hated to lose that cash cow. Makes you wonder who took up the reins after she passed. If that's the case with the mormons, looks like Romney is a shoo in, lol.
Hi Rfluna, when you find out that only a small number of all the popes actually believed in god and the rest only believed in themselves and their power, with cash and power they could make any type of miracle happen. Concerning the L'anciano miracle, if that had happened today the police would have found a dead body without a heart and the monk would have been charged with murder. I'm sure the church kept the dead body well hidden. You don't think they were above those types of shenanigans, do you? I find it odd that they even made the guard who stuck his sword into Jesus to see if he was dead, a saint. That makes no sense at all.
Our world has a strange way of re-writing history to suit their purposes. Can we even trust what was written? Even our current archeology is written to conform to pre-conceived notions eg) Egyptologists. I can honestly say I've learned more from the contact reports than any other source.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Sarah
Member
Post Number: 178
Registered: 10-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2012 - 04:59 pm: |
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So wait, apparently Mother Teresa wasn't as Holy as a lot of people say? I mean I guess I'm not surprised. Honestly know one is truly innocent. |
Marbar
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Post Number: 212
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2012 - 06:42 pm: |
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The Cathoilc Church really let people know how they feel about birth control: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/19/cardinal-george-lashes-ou_n_1287704.html
This is another example of how religious leaders always get what they want. Also, all they care about is gaining followers. |
Marbar
Member
Post Number: 213
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2012 - 06:50 pm: |
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tn "The Goblet of Truth", Billy said that these religions controls a person even after he or she is dead. I guess this could be a good example: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093241/Mitt-Romneys-family-baptized-Ann-Romneys-atheist-father-Mormon-church-year-AFTER-death.html
Now, that is gross and wrong what they did to that body. I wish that was a joke. |
Hawaiian
Member
Post Number: 45
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2012 - 07:06 pm: |
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Praise the lord, "now give me your wallet"! |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 2354
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 01:07 am: |
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Hi Marbar...
When our family lived in th US, we were at one time Mormons.
I got into the/that predicament, as what you posted!
I was at one time baptized about 100 times!! For people who have never had any
relation to a Church, or the likes. To make sure...they get in Heaven!! So,
the Mormons, indeed conduct such events.
I was about 12-13 at the time, and had of course: "NO say", alas.
So, as you see: I was baptized for 100 different individuals! Some list of
names....
Edward. |
Melissa
New member
Post Number: 4
Registered: 01-2012
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 05:58 am: |
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Hi there,
I too was Mormon.
I have to say that I dearly do wish a speedy evolution for a lot of nice people I had the pleasure of meeting during my time I had with them.
When I think of the nice people I met in church, I really do hope the best for them. I hope they find additional truths that will trigger them, like it did me, to keep searching for more. To realize truth doesn't stop at a certain spot, church, or man. That there are not stops on the path of truth.
To be able to let go of the fear of death and loss, and to open up to the possibilities of everything else.
I hope that they too one day, will become as fortunate as I to be typing in these forums. It is a great place to remind ourselves that it is "we the humans" who are ultimately responsible for our own evolution. We are ultimately responsible for all that we think, do, and say. We are learning to take responsibility for ourselves and for this world we live on.
We create our future and so it is seen by our past how we got to where we are today.
We understand that by standing up as a responsible human being and to live with each other correctly, we can create a heaven on earth as we have always envisioned. It makes sense to do so.
We listen to our inner selves because we are all uniquely different. There is not one way for all. We are all on different paths of evolution. No matter where we all are on our paths of evolution, let us enjoy the life we have with the people, on this earth.
It's the only one we have got.
-Melissa
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Marbar
Member
Post Number: 215
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 06:58 pm: |
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Hi Edward,
If the religiuos peole tell their children that they don't have to get baptized or join any religion to succeed in life, religion could go away more faster.
Melissa,
You postnnumber 4, very well said and very agreeable. As human beings, we have the right to walk own own path in life. |
Hawaiian
Member
Post Number: 47
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2012 - 06:39 pm: |
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If religions were to be honest about creational teachings, then every single one of them will be out of business, because the truth is that every single human being or Being has the POTENTIAL and altimate goal of becoming much greater that any god or gods that every single religion falsely preaches as absolute.
They would never admit to this fact because they will lose power and control over the ignorant masses that follow their stupid agendas. It is very similar to the wall street journal cronies and monopolies that extort billions from innocent people, keep them ignorant and "take them to the cleaners for all they're worth"
What religions do is worse than stealing candy from babies and yet they have the guall to say you will go to hell if you don't "submit to the Lord or Allah"
Religions are like a bad case of diahrea, the sooner you get rid of it from your system, the better. |
Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 668
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2012 - 05:56 am: |
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Aloha,
If anyone is interested in the logic of christian religion (one version of it anyway) what better area of research to approach this from than it's treatise on indulgences.
Have a read .... discover how the religious mind works.
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/myths-about-indulgences
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Then compare to what Mr Meier writes .... quite a contrast hey.
Whose version of reality makes more sense ?
Stealing candy from babies .... brainwashed ones maybe.
The cleaners .... cleansing sinners is lucrative.
Then have a think about this:
The holy one in rome is reputed to be infallible in matters of doctrine .......................... yes or no ?
So if previous papas personally sold or approved the sale of indulgences were they exercising their infallability ?
If that was the case how come the present papa isn't selling or authorizing the sale of indulgences ?
I mean, if it was OK by previous papa's but it's not in practice now ..... were those papa's who sold indulgences in the past infallible ?
Cheers.
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Michaelhelfert
Member
Post Number: 60
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2012 - 04:16 am: |
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Regarding saints and miracles, these things can be real. The ability to have things happen around us is real, does happen for all of us to varying degrees. Just because you do a ' miracle' doesn't mean you have broken the laws of physics, only that a higher order of physics has asserted itself in a given situation. Typically the ability to influence events, knowingly or otherwise, comes with the kind of experience that develops over lifetimes. Practicing love is the best way to put oneself in touch with this type of one's own experience. That said, usually when you read or hear about these things, they have little merit.
Belief systems can affect what we perceive in the afterlife, or rather during our time between lives, such that we perceive what we expect to perceive. We see what we expect to see, feel what we expect to feel... This type of existence is highly malleable, influence-able by the patterns of our own thinking. Again, leaving all expectations aside and allowing love is the best way to experience the afterlife (or more accurately, life) as it is.
Because religions have used love to their advantage, because they have tied their qualified love to their philosophy, belief system, storyline, they have been effective in misguiding folks throughout our history. However, love is too real to fit completely within anyone's religion. Allow reality to be whatever it is and you allow love.
Life
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 500
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2012 - 11:02 am: |
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"a higher order of physics" than...cause and effect?
Do tell. |
Matt
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Post Number: 225
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2012 - 06:35 pm: |
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Michaelhelfert wrote "Because religions have used love to their advantage, because they have tied their qualified love to their philosophy, belief system, storyline, they have been effective in misguiding folks throughout our history."
Hi Michael, the main one that most religions have used to their advantage is "fear" as in fear based religions. I think love would be way down on the list. |
Melissa
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Post Number: 12
Registered: 01-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2012 - 04:10 pm: |
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One thing that helped me get past the point of religion, was that the literal meaning of the religious key points proved to me that there was more to the story than what was being told.
For instance, a spiritual lesson I learned was to follow Christ. Literally what that meant to me was that I was capable of doing this. It meant to me that I all ready have what it takes to be like a Christ and do as Christ did. And, the belief in God, helped me understand how to believe in something bigger than me, but connected to everyone and everything, and fathom unconditional love.
Now I know better, and can use all of my knowledge, created from my own sort of melting pot of life experiences to make true and sensible decisions to help direct, protect and be made responsible for my life and life around me. I can use and benefit from truths no matter where ever I may have found it.
-Melissa
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Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 62
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2012 - 09:50 pm: |
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If you like, "...a higher order of physics" than cause and effect. Cause and effect are a matter of perspective.
Another way to see these acts is as synchronous occurrences, which are themselves aligned with the long song of universe.
Another way to explain away these things is with finer energies, such as thoughts, which evolve into influence and/or manifestation.
Yes, 'higher order of physics' is an easy catch-all phrase to explain these things, though perhaps not perfectly accurate. The phrase denotes a pleasant enough explanation, one which we do not yet understand - it is 'higher' than our understanding, though I do expect this will change one day.
Life
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Michaelhelfert
Member
Post Number: 63
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2012 - 10:04 pm: |
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Life is magical and reasonable, both true.
Life
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Michaelhelfert
Member
Post Number: 64
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 09:20 am: |
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Howdy Matt, I think that you make a good point. Thanks : )
The different people of a society are kept 'in-line' by their respective religions by using different tools.
For some, fear plays much of a role in religion, in reinforcing the beliefs of those who already believe. But not everyone experiences fear in the way. For instance, younger children may be quite fearful of getting on the bad side of God, while teenagers may be more apt to decide God couldn't care less if they sin, since their God hasn't intervened thus far.
For some, social belonging, history, and especially the tribal pressures of conformity, the threat of ostracism, keeps people thinking the 'right' way. This is especially true in religions that do not consider the afterlife. Such people may only cursorily believe in their religion, but they may forcibly convert others, such as Christian Crusaders in the New World or the declarers of Islamic Jihad, as suits their purpose.
For some, for the leaders of religious thought, love is the primary draw, but only when expressed through the confines of the respective religious framework, else these people would not be leaders any longer, but rather they would head off in their own directions. Indeed, this is how new religious sects calve from the original format.
But I have said I won't talk about specific religious groups, and now I find myself dancing on the edge of that intention. I am gonna stop right here.
Life
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