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Ferbon
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Post Number: 64
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 05:16 am: | 
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Justsayno -
Your words are sincere and honest.
What can be explained, in regard to your logic, is:
- Earth human, in his current stage of spiritual evolution, resembles unbalanced form of energy.
- Earth human, is yet to understand "knowing the path - and walking the path"
- Earth human, is indeed guided by "free will energy" (designation invented)
"Outcome" of such energy is indeed only matter of probability value.
Take, for example, a flying path of a plane during turbulent weather. If the weather is not harmonized/balanced -the plane will stray all over from the straight flight line.
Even though the main path of a plane must be predetermined, to take you from city A to B, the plane, during turbulent weather, will behave irrationally and only with possible outcome. It can even crash!
Billy's plane flies in much clearer/balanced/harmonized weather, thus is only subjected to insignificant turbulence.
Salome |
Jokoveltman
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Post Number: 84
Registered: 11-2009
| | Posted on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 04:12 am: |
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Ferbon,
You are confusing things by referring only to pahs and destinations as one and the same (though clearly, this isn't so).
No path is determined in advance, rather, only the destination. This is a fundamental logical requirement of consciousness evolution. Since consciousness evolution DOES happen, it is necessarily so that the path of no consciousness anywhere is at any time mapped out. Humans must consciously direct themselves ztoward their destinations, while animals do it instinctively, but nt even in the case of animals is the path itself determined in advance.
Salome,
Timothy
p.s. there's no need to make up "jargon" ... you mean "human consciousness" when you say "free will energy" |
Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 67
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 12:58 pm: |
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Timothy -
Pleased to hear from you.
The unfortunate thing about allegories is that one can make quite a lot out of them ; ) A good example of that is what Jmmanuel meant, and what do they say today in churches.
Quite frankly, whatever he said is still not/ and won't be understood for a long time, and will be interpreted in uncounted number of ways.
The best way of knowing what he meant would be to ask him directly, don't you think?
Salome |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 424
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 01:35 pm: |
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There is a drastic difference between what Jmmanuel stated and what is attributed to Jesus Christ by the scribes responsible for the christian texts/scriptures.
If churches actually taught the teachings of Jmmanuel, there would not be any interpretations, which are clearly due to the fallibleness of earth-born "more primitive than us" men of a couple thousand years ago who are the true authors of the wisdom contained in religious books; even though they based it on the legends and memorized teachings of Jmmanuel.
Jmmanuel's teachings leave no room for interpretation; either one understands what he is saying, or they don't understand the language they're reading.
Regarding his parables; Jmmanuel's parables were deliberate and serving to effect a thinking-process, out of which layers of cognition surface, thus furthering and encouraging deeper thoughts and the thinking-process again and again. It is this "thinking-process" that he intended.
[7:-)
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Jokoveltman
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Post Number: 86
Registered: 11-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 12:42 am: |
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Ferbon,
I was not talking about allegories or parables, so am a bit puzzled by your response.
As for asking directly, Eddie is correct, and that is why I study German and the writings of the prophets Talmud Jmmanuel, OM, etc.
Salome,
Timothy |
Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 74
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 01:30 pm: |
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Jokoveltman and Eddiemartin
Despite some misinterpretations, I assure you, we are all going in the same direction with this subject. Let me go back a bit and start from the common ground again.
In this incarnation Billy is being taught very difficult lesson.(I related to it in my previous posts). A lesson, which is not conceivable by Earth's humanity. If you, me, anyone were put in his shoes...we would go insane at best.
We are thousands of years away from taking the same lesson, that is why all misinterpretations and false ideas arise.
We are thousands of years away for a reason, thus neither any direct explanation at this moment is possible, nor talking about this lesson in other language than allegories will make much sense.
That is why an allegory had been used by me.
Billy's path is predetermined and has been since millenia ago up to the distant future in the smallest details. Thus, if you carefully observe, you will notice that whatever happens, happens for a reason. Once you understand this, there are whole new chapters to be written.
Salome |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 543
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 08:20 am: |
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> I think you need to familiarize yourself withMeier's ACTUAL words and the spiritual teaching, matters of free will and…the might of thoughts. You are asserting a lot of things for which you present no evidence, just your imaginative conclusions. |
Eddieamartin
Member
Post Number: 425
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 09:07 am: |
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Ferbon.
The "interpretations" people make in religions, as you pointed out, is due to scribes twisting and rewriting the texts of the prophets. They then attempt to make "wisdom" out of their twisting and there is where the cause of people interpreting scriptures comes from. The actual teachings of the prophets are direct and clear, according to the everyday language of the time and people of the day it was given.
If we say that the teachings of Jmmanuel, being attributed to the jesus in the bible, has caused people in churches to "interpret" or "misinterpret" those scriptures, it would require that the texts attributed to jesus were identical to the texts and writings of Jmmanuel.
An allegory is a teaching tool. An allegory cannot be interpreted or misinterpreted. An allegory can only be misunderstood, if, the allegory itself is articulated in an unclear fashion. The use of jargon, in no way, is an allegory. All religions have their own jargon which eventually become elaborated upon doctrines that add more confusion.
Also, the lessons/experiences a prophet must deal with is creational and beneficial in every way. It teaches us about the law of the contrariness. This permits teaching by example. Through their arahat athersata abilities, the prophets know of events to come and the things they must "suffer" or deal with. The fact that they meet them head-on is valuable for us, the method by which they address them and solve them is invaluable to us.
I'm personally unclear as to whether it is the highly evolved prophet who is learning from his "difficult lessons" or is it we who are to learn from them.
[7:-)
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Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 76
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 11:54 am: |
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Michel
People have problems reading posts and understanding them and you take me on evidence? On one hand you believe in tachyon speed and on the other have problem with opening your mind a bit and doing some research based on my words.
Why do you think Meier's material is preliminary?
There are facts to uncover that you haven't dream of. All I am saying everyone: open your mind, research, question everything!
I am trying to encourage you all to stop acting like fools and give Meier credit he REALLY deserves. At the moment you digest what's been given too you on a plate. How about some seriousness and effort?
Please don't expect anything from my part unless you start asking right questions. I can offer help if anyone will be even remotely on the right track - to let you know that I am speaking nothing but truth. Nobody' evolution can be violated though, so again - keep searching!
Again - RESEARCH THOROUGHLY and QUESTION EVERYTHING. INDEED - EVERY CHAPTER, EVERY WORD, EVERY DATE, EVERY NUMBER!
Salome |
Jokoveltman
Member
Post Number: 89
Registered: 11-2009
| | Posted on Friday, August 17, 2012 - 12:29 am: |
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Ferbon,
Without putting too fine a point on it, your response to Michael - who very possibly has been immersed in the Meier material longer than you've been alive - shows the depth of your ignorance, and the disproportionate size of your ego.
You are enthusiastic, and sincere, and those are great things to bring to the table, but you will get your self ostracised and ignored pretty quickly if you pose as the Wise Teacher, the one with all the answers, to whom all must listen in rapt attention.
Many of us here spend hours every day studying the Spiritual Teaching and reading the Contacts, and we have been doing so for years. This doesn't mean we have all the answers. Nor does it mean that you have nothing to contribute. But it does mean that we can immediately see that you've still got much to learn. There's truly no problem with that. "Welcome to the club," as they say.
Salome,
Timothy |
Markcampbell
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Post Number: 773
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2012 - 04:19 pm: |
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A light approach is always best , because it is after all , an approach ; which is mostly unasked for . |
Marbar
Member
Post Number: 226
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2012 - 06:17 pm: |
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Has Billy and the Plejarens ever talked about the Wicca religion. |
Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 775
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 03:34 pm: |
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Marbar , Billy has mentioned that the Popes have historically ignored the so-called witches and people with arcane knowledge .
Their plight and troubles for being imagined as a threat in their communities .(wording mine) |
Orphelia
Member
Post Number: 5
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 11:35 pm: |
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Hi everyone.
I was just wondering out of curiosity if anyone knows or can tell me how tall Ptaah is? 
Don't be afraid to let your inner strength guide you. Live it, but don't fear it, love it, but don't lose it. Take care of it, and always keep it next to you. - Orphelia . *smiles*
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Rintintin
Member
Post Number: 17
Registered: 04-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 09:13 pm: |
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There is another religuion with African roots that works with dead peoples "Palo Mayombe" or "Palero", "Zarabanda 7 Rayos", or "Zarabanda 7 Tunder"
For a while I was curious because I was interested in learn to work with dead, but that necromantic african religuion is largely dominated by very wicked peoples, and in addition I'm not from african descendant.
Did Pleiadians have mentioned this religion? |
Edward
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Post Number: 2498
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 27, 2012 - 12:15 am: |
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Hi Marbar....
Excerpt:
WITCHES--WITH NO END IN SIGHT
The persecution of witches is alive and well in all countries, as we
previously reported on page 1 in our Wassermannzeit publication #100,
September '96 issue. Shortly thereafter, in November '96, a new witch hunt
case and the murder of innocent people was revealed: Seven people had been
slaughtered in Mexico's Puebla province because neighbors suspected they were
witches. According to press reports, three men set fire to the house of a
family in the Sierra Negra village of Duraznotla, in an effort to burn
alleged male and female witches. The inhabitants of the house, four adults
and three children, fled from the blazing house whereupon they were massacred
with machetes and bullets. Only one 15-year-old girl survived the ordeal
because she feigned death.
Billy
To add, NOW, this is still ongoing in many countries of the world. You still
hear, individuals practicing plant and herbal remedying, whom are falsely
seen as Witches, and seen in the eyes of the Ignorant beholder as
practitioners of Black Magic, Voodoo or whatever, thus, they are put to
death.
This has happened in the past also, with male as well as female Natural
Healers in that regard related to the above mentioned(: individuals
practicing plant and herbal remedying). These related Wicca practitioners
highly regard Mother Nature and all her Forces. It is the Judeo/Catholic/
Christian Cults Religions whom of course, 'framed' them(Wiccas), as being
Evil and servants of the Devil, and so forth. If not due to their Ignorance
it be due to Truths the can not digest. [Similar, to the Jewish priests, whom
were aware of the Anti-logos(Anti Creation/Logic), and which Atrocities their
Jewish Cult Religion would cause throughout the Middle East and the world.
They altered the Anti-Logos into Anti-Christ, just to wash their hands clean,
and have no blame.]
Edward. |
Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 90
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 05:57 pm: |
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Some pics, a friend of mine took while on UK's exhibition : Religionis Violenta
I am separating myself from sensationalism when posting this, please acknowledge that.
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Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 933
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 03:10 am: |
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Ferbon, I honestly it has little to do with cult-Religion as discussed by FIGU, it seems more like cult-religion inspired abstract art.
In my educated guess Ptaah would call this a "Kindergruel"
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 90
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 05:13 am: |
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Jacob
It is obscene and absurd, but it also has it's importance and lesson, if you won't let your feelings distract you.
Salome |
Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 934
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 05:24 am: |
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Ferbon,
It's different for everyone, for myself I dont need abstract cult-religious 'art', I just look into the world of present day to see the sickness of cult-religion, but that is my opinion.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 92
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 06:01 am: |
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Jacob
then this lesson is for you, unless this is your first and last incarnation.
Salome |
Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 935
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 06:09 am: |
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Ferbon,
I dont need that lesson and your in no position to assume otherwise simply because you don't know me.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Patm
Member
Post Number: 161
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 06:40 am: |
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Ferbon,
I don't see any relevance for this type of post. This is a FIGU related forum. I have observed your posts as nothing more than challenges to things you don't understand with a need to try to force YOUR opinion and belief system on others. These challenges show no desire to learn anything because they are not formulated as questions only challenges. No one here has any desire to change you, your opinion, or your belief system. But personaly I have no desire to spend time on anything other than FIGU related material. That is what I am here for. If I wanted to to waste my time on this type of post, there are plenty of other websites with this type of content I could go to. Please stick to FIGU related material as your unsolicited attempts to change my opinion and understanding of the FIGU material is a complete waste of time.
Salome
PatM |
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