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Elreyjr
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Post Number: 317
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2013 - 02:18 am: | 
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poor Italy. this is in the paragraph right after the mention of Arkhangelsk,
"In the Russian expansionist mentality will also be included the drive to gain control of the Middle Eastern oil deposits as well as to gain control of the southeastern region of Europe. Therefore, she will also invade the Balkans and conquer these countries there in enormous battles, causing ruthless and devastating destruction with many deaths.
This will be at the time that tremendous natural disasters will hit Italy and its people, causing severe hardship. But this will also be at the time when Vesuvius could become active again and could spread tremendous havoc. At the same time, a war will shake Italy and claim many human lives as well as cause great destruction."
from the Henoch prophecy.
may this not have any relation with the words "worst catastrophe".
Jun |
Cpl
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Post Number: 647
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2013 - 08:14 am: |
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"There is an unwritten rule in the College of Cardinals that no successor to the first pope, Peter, will use his name."
Let's wait and see .... maybe the new one will break with tradition making it much easier to conform to the literal wording of the prophesies.
I agree, Ramirez. They could well break with tradition; and then again maybe they will not. We will know soon enough.
Hello Dan c,
"...there was an article posted today by the Italian BBC naming the person who will take up the papal position on february 28th while they look for another pope. His name is Tarcisio "Pietro" Evasio Bertone and he was born in Romano Italy."
That is interesting. Pietro, of course, means Peter or Petrus. He was born in Romano Canavese a province of Turin. The word Romano is synonymous with Roman. So we already have a Petrus Romanus or Roman Peter here. Of course, it need not necessarily be him. There have already been a couple of Catholic popes called "Romanus"; so by extension "Romanus" could mean pope, Rome or Roman.
Anyway, it is a shoe that could fit. In April 2007 Pope Benedict appointed him to the position of Roman Church Chamberlain with duties "...largely confined to administration during the vacancy of the Holy See." So presumably, at the moment, he is just continuing with those duties and filling in during the Popes absence.
Thanks for the heads up Dan.
BTW Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone is the one who criticized Dan Brown and his book The Da Vinci Code, and was himself criticized and even accused of lying in his book The Last Secret of Fatima. He denies the accusations.
Here is a link to the Wiki info on him, including a picture. He is 78 years old:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarcisio_Bertone.
Chris
Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either.
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Dan_c
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2013 - 10:08 pm: |
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Interesting. Well it fits... Like a glove!! meh meh meh meh meh... Unless they go for that african Peter Turkson fellow. There is talk of there being favor towards an African or South American since a large majority of the catholic community are in those countries. I guess it would make sense since Billy mentioned the pope in question would flee to Brazil for safety after everything fell apart. Lets hope we get a guy named Larry or Dave. War stinks. I don't have to live through one to know that. I would rather the church stuck around a little longer and died in peace rather of going out with a bang and taking us all for a hell (on earth) ride. |
Ramirez
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Post Number: 817
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2013 - 08:56 pm: |
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Thanks Cpl,
Well that's some news. A 78 year old pope cant last all that long so what's the plan ?
Maybe they really are a bunch of complete looney tunes who in their own abstract way reason that the rapture and accompanying return of JC will occur all the sooner if the last pope (112th) is expected to have a short reign .... that's if at least some of them take the Malachy prophesies seriously and pursue their own agenda based on those beliefs.
What they (roman church hierarchy) think as opposed to what they say compared to what they do are totally different things. These are seriously disturbed unbalanced individuals living out a bizarre delusional double life with it's accompanying multiple standards depending on the expediency of any given situation as it arises.
Basically .... opportunists on the lookout for the most favorable reward possible.
Cheers.
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Colorado_dirk
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Post Number: 25
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2013 - 05:26 pm: |
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Thanks for the insights, Dan and Chris. There you have it, folks, our Peter from Rome shall be pope by default at the end of the month (who could thereafter also be specifically chosen).
Found some background details why the pope resigned. Notice how this information is NOT found in mainstream media outlets. Link is from the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State. It's good to know there is such a thing:
http://itccs.org/2013/02/13/pope-benedict-resigned-to-avoid-arrest-seizure-of-church-wealth-by-easter/
Excerpt:
".. our Tribunal acknowledges that Pope Benedict's complicity in criminal activities of the Vatican Bank (IOR) was compelling his eventual dismissal by the highest officials of the Vatican. But according to our sources, Secretary of State Tarcisio Bertone forced Joseph Ratzinger's resignation immediately, and in direct response to the diplomatic note concerning the arrest warrant that was issued to him by the said nation's government on February 4, 2013.
We call upon all citizens and governments to assist our efforts to legally and directly disestablish the Vatican, Inc. and arrest its chief officers and clergy who are complicit in crimes against humanity and the ongoing criminal conspiracy to aid and protect child torture and trafficking."
He therefore stepped down to avoid prosecution of the crimes committed by him and the church in general. The article doesn't mention the nation that issued the warrant.
Speaking of those crimes against humanity, here they are along with the other ones from the catholic church mentioned by this awesome rebuttal from the eloquent Christopher Hitchens, worth watching if you haven't seen it. The video is
"Hitchens: The Catholic church is not a force for good" and is a statement of the negative side in the October 19, 2009 London based IQ Squared debate. The motion was: "The Catholic Church is a force for good in the world".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQHxkX-tyYU&feature=player_embedded
.. anyway, on to the next pope, maybe he can straighten out this mess. *shakes head in disgust* |
Ferbon
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Post Number: 224
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2013 - 08:11 am: |
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Colorado_dirk
This article reads like one from the Onion due to no apparent evidence of Benedict's criminal activity. It's hard to imagine what international scandal would such evidence cause.
On the other hand, he was quite old when he accepted his position as head of the church. Now, suddenly, he is the first one in 600 years to resign.
There are people who would wait for the church to die out naturally which is unlikely because this institution has been actively clouding people's minds and thinking already for two thousand years. It is main cause of crusades, torture, abuse, inquisition, burning people alive, child abuse among countless other horrifying crimes against humanity logic and progress. It has always been intention of the church to keep people as stupid and superstitious as possible in order to use them for profit.In present time we've simply used to the presence of popes and religions but the truth is that they are like parasites causing sickness and disease. It is hard to find an animal which cherishes its parasites instead of cleansing itself from them.
Salome |
Hunter
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Post Number: 384
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2013 - 08:44 am: |
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Here's an interesting article:
The Resignation of Pope Benedict and the Great Financial Collapse
http://richardgleaves.blogspot.com/2013/02/a-trail-ofbreadcrumbs-resignation.html
What's interesting is that they're predicting the next pope as having the name "Peter" which seems to correspond to the prophecies.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Cpl
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Post Number: 648
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2013 - 10:00 am: |
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Dirk,
That is very interesting that Pietro Bertone of Romano, who could be called "Peter of Rome", himself forced Pope Benedict's resignation making himself the de facto administrative head of the Catholic Church.
Now we will see if he is also elected the final pope.
If Billy mentioned that the Catholic church or Pope would move to Brazil then the Brazilian Cardinal Odilo Pedro Schererarchbishop of Sao Paolo who studied, got his doctorate and worked in Rome is a possible candidate too. Pedro is also Peter in English. He accompanied Pope Benedict for a great part of his visit to Brazil in May 2007. At 63 he is younger and would give us a bit more time perhaps. He has already been mentioned as a possible contender to succeed Benedict XVI. Many regard him as the top candidate.
Here is a link to his details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odilo_Scherer.
The other Brazilian seen as a candidate is Joao Braz de Aviz, but I cannot find any Peter connection with him -- Joao means John. He did study in Rome.
Then there is Cardinal Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga, 69, of Honduras. I see no connection with Rome but his coat of arms does display Peter's fishing net.
Finally (IMO the last likely one), there is the Argentinian Cardinal Leonardo Sandri who is considered the ultimate Roman insider, but I don't see anything relating him to Peter.
So the two most likely to me seem to be:
Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone or Cardinal Odilo Pedro Scherer. The latter might be the more likely one in light of what Billy said.
Chris
Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either.
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Cpl
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Post Number: 649
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2013 - 10:27 am: |
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dirk,
Can you validate the ITCCS? Who are they, where are they and where are all the details about the organization? The "about" section of the website gives nothing to go on and only one name with no details, making it likely Ferbon's observation is correct, that it is another Onion type site. If so, it probably means that Bertone did not force Benedict to resign.
The situation regarding the next pope is pretty much unchanged, of course, whatever the truth about ITCCS.
Chris
Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either.
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Colorado_dirk
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2013 - 12:09 pm: |
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Ferbon,
Good point about the lack of evidence, and one worth bringing up. Thank you. The 'unnamed' nation gave me a pause, but didn't stop to think that it could be a spoof (Onion-esque) or just plain nonsense.
Ok, looked into it a little further. The website seems to belong to a former reverend who supposedly cofounded it, info here on that guy. http://visionradiofree.net/?q=kevinannett
Itccs and the purported itccs quoted therefore are suspect, your mileage may vary.
Thanks again, Ferbon.
D |
Nguyen
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Post Number: 13
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2013 - 01:49 pm: |
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"Pope Benedict XVI is stepping down as of February 28th. "Petrus Romanus" is set to follow him as pope according to the prophesy. We shall see what happens."
I thought Pope Benedict is the last pope according to prophesy, what is this new pope, please keep me update or point me to the prophesy state above.
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Votan
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Post Number: 86
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2013 - 02:38 pm: |
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Colorado_dirk
It is hard to know these days what is the truth.
He is very old and tired that we can see.
joe
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Cpl
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Post Number: 651
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2013 - 08:40 am: |
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Well, just when you think you've finished:
The favorite runner for Pope by the bookies is actually the African Cardinal Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson. He is black, from Africa. Much loved they say.
Resident in Rome.
Peter Turkson is invited to attend not only the plenary meetings of the Roman Curia which in principle are held every year in Rome, but also the ordinary meetings.
He's a real Peter the Roman too.
In October 2011 Cardinal Peter Turkson called for the establishment of a “global public authority” and a “central world bank” to rule over financial institutions that have become outdated and often ineffective in dealing fairly with crises. He wrote the document, "Towards Reforming the International Financial and Monetary Systems in the Context of a Global Public Authority."
He seems favored by IMF financial big wigs too.
IMO he is just in time to be appointed to welcome in a new global currency as the global financial crisis weakens the major currencies to the point of needing replacement. Just my opinion.
He has the word "Christus" on his Coat of Arms.
Has to be a very likely candidate. He is 64 years old.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Turkson.
Chris
Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either.
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Dan_c
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Post Number: 19
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2013 - 08:25 pm: |
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To Cpl, yep. Been paying attention to him too. It's a toss up between them. Bertone will be in for sure though until a new pope is found, but this Turkson fellow sounds like a likely candidate after that. I guess we'll see. I hope they go for the Canadian. Not because I'm from Canada but because living is fun. |
Ramirez
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Post Number: 818
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2013 - 12:10 am: |
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Hi Colorado_dirk,
"Itccs and the purported itccs quoted therefore are suspect, your mileage may vary."
If you check his website there are many links to pro marijuana articles, interviews, studies suggesting he is rather interested in things pro grass ..... whether this has anything to do with his strong support for anti religious themes is another question.
So when we notice a person enthusiastically advocating the benefits of cannibassa is it the person doing the dialogue or the cannibassa ?
We might talk up things Billy Meier but dont necessarily smoke Billy Meier .....
Cheers.
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Edward
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Post Number: 2677
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 18, 2013 - 01:46 am: |
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Hi Andyv24....
A Prophecy CAN....become: Self-fulfilling.
So, there is nothing wrong with what you said.
Quetzal, mentioned, that if Man still acts as he does...Warmongering and what
not, so to speak, he CAN...convert the Prophecy into a Prediction. Just
depends on new calculations of the coming events/acts of our world leaders,
and even...the thoughts of the Vatican.
THEY, either play it into Fulfillment or avert it!?
To some point, we have to recognize/differentiate...the political events and
what the Vatican does; if, they are both not 'sync' with each other, it does
not per se have to be fulfilled; e.g., if Petrus Romanus....does NOT take his
stance...it will (just) not be fulfilled.
So, if the Vatican read Billy's Henoch Prophecies....perhaps they can AVERT
Petrus Romanus' fulfillment? And we have less damage?
But, of course, as someone mentioned of the 'interpretation' of the name
Petrus Romanus which we should not take literally? It being 'coded'! That,
puts us in another perspective.
So, it is quite tricky...this foreseeing.
That is why, some Prophecies are 'scrambled' and put out of context, and,
than to see what MAN does. A bit of Free Will, here. We either do it
correctly....or we goof up!?
Edward. |
Edward
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Post Number: 2678
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 18, 2013 - 01:53 am: |
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Hi Dan....
Yeah: GOOD ONE!
If we can Avert...an unhuman War...we should try to.
Let us not let our Wishful Thinking...take the overhand, here...no?
Edward. |
Dan_c
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Post Number: 21
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2013 - 10:06 pm: |
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Pope Benedict is trying to get the rules changed about pope selection so they can speed up the process. Rushing things may not be a good thing... But what do I know? http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/20/us-pope-resignation-conclave-idUSBRE91J0NG20130220 |
Ramirez
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Post Number: 819
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 08:54 pm: |
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What is the purpose of electing an older pope whose name has associations or connections to Peter or Roman or Petrus Romanus ?
Superstitious minds at work .... if there are prophesies circulating claiming the 112th pope will be named Peter or some derivation and would be the final pope then it makes sense to elect an older person who would theoretically have a short reign in order to reassure people the prophesies are inaccurate.
Rome and the church surely cant vanish or be destroyed in the next few years .... within the cardinals own lifetimes so it's an unlikely and practically unthinkable scenario however one which still haunts some .... if not many.
When the short reign of Peter has passed with no disaster forthcoming the church can continue on it's course, long term agenda's and elect pope 113 with confidence those prophesies are just a load of bunk ..... sorta like King Canute challenging the elements.
Are there really discussions about these sort of things occurring among the cardinals informal network ? Are there cliques vying for power and influence promoting their own versions of strategies and ideas ?
Only the tea lady and butler know for sure .....
Cheers.
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Ferbon
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Post Number: 227
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2013 - 04:13 am: |
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Religion is based on lies and deception in order to keep people in the dark and play on their feelings. According to OM 2059: "The dawn breaks even without the rooster's crow" and due to our perceptiveness and research we may actually witness this leap over the tipping point of power and influence of Catholic church.
It is probably unwise to hope for fast dissolution of religions because of current stage of overall spiritual development of Earth's humanity. If this is understood it can save some unnecessary emotional unbalance.
Salome |
Jonzie
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Post Number: 75
Registered: 04-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2013 - 01:50 am: |
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Capitalizing on the distraction caused by the latest crisis at the Vatican, Canada`s state-managed "Truth and Reconciliation Commission" (TRC) sneaked into the media today its astounding admission that thousands of children did in fact die in church-run Indian residential schools across Canada.
But only 3000 of them died, that is. In short, a 2% death rate.
European Holocaust Deniers would be proud of Canada's TRC.
To have the gall to even suggest such a ludicrously low death rate – when every government record and all our posted evidence shows that as early as the first year of the western residential schools, the death rate averaged between 30% and 50% – shows how deep the rot of deceit extends into the stage-managed TRC.
The death rate of 50% continued for at least six decades in these "schools": from 1891 to 1949, when a top government official commented on that huge mortality. 50,000 or more kids never returned – not 3000.
This Big Lie strategy by the church and state-established TRC has worked up until now, but their deception has worn thin. Like the Vatican, the Canadian government must feel especially desperate to risk announcing such a proven lie and exposing such an obvious coverup.
Regardless, all the TRC has done today is to prove that their work constitutes a criminal conspiracy to subvert and obstruct justice. Their duplicity has indicted their government and church sponsors before the law and the world.
This latest act of official deception will figure as more evidence of deliberate cover-up in the docket of our upcoming Common Law Court case against Canada and its Catholic and Protestant churches. In the months ahead, it won't just be former Popes who go to trial for conspiracy and child murder
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth."
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Justsayno
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Post Number: 516
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - 07:50 am: |
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Go get 'em Jonzie, make them tell the truth. Makes me wonder if they started the new Office of Religious Freedom to allow religion to triumph over truth and justice? There are far too many other basic rights to protect and religion is not one of them. Every time I hear about another catholic church closing it's doors for good, I think that one more child gets to keep their innocence (and their lives).
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Herbert
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 02-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2013 - 04:41 pm: |
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Hello everyone
I have been thinking about a certain translation of Contact Report 229... Its one of the contacts when Quetzal provides information about the Jeremia predictions. It reads:
" But a crazy foolishness will overcome the human being who will fanatically pursue many games, yet soon dissatisfied, he will take chances at various other games whereby life becomes the crazy fools' plaything. These death-bringing games will be like a deadly fire when kindled and when the human being carelessly puts his life at stake for them only to satisfy his crazy foolishness through means, which are meant to increase his excitement."
Could this be an ancient description of video games? |
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