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    Magic_pie Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hi Everybody, Since there are many sci-fi fans here; have y'all seen the movie "Prometheus?" It is a favorite of mine; and I was watching it again the other day and noticed that it raises some good issues for people trying to grasp: was it religion or was it Creation? Without giving away the plot, the movie takes place at the end of this century. A group of astronauts travel to a planet where they think intelligent life might exist, based on similar pictogram found all around the world. The story is made up of characters who are religious and others who are not. Once they get to the planet they find aliens who have been dead for thousands of years; the scientists discover that these "Engineers" are responsible for creating the earth humans, NOT God. There is an enlightening exchange between two of the scientists on the expedition, who by the way are a couple. She is highly religious and he is not. So what was her response, the religious? Her line is something like, "Well, who make them? (the aliens)" Thinking that God must be involved somewhere down the line. To which he says something like, "We might not know the answer to that question yet. But I tell you what we do know; we found out that it is easy to create life (with genetic engineering), anybody can do it. You don't have to be a God." In the future when mainstream science will be creating human beings out of scratch, how will the religious be able to hold on? Cheers, Anthony | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 341 Registered: 09-2011 |
In part, religious thinking denotes a belief system held contradiction to the best-known facts. People can hold religious beliefs in all sortsa ways, we can even accept scientific precepts, yet if the facts point to something else this becomes a religious belief. For instance, right now for most people the idea of extraterrestrial societies capable of interstellar space travel constitutes a religious belief. Most people on the planet have not thoroughly considered how life evolves anywhere and everywhere it possibly can, and the full extent of what that means. Most people haven't looked up from their Earth-bound lives, have never truly questioned the dominant paradigm which holds that extraterrestrial intelligence is impossible, and that people can't figure out how to circumvent the vast expanses of interstellar space. For these people, so pitifully limited in their thinking really, their consideration of the existence of any more advanced extraterrestrial civilization might as well be a consideration of angels and gods in heaven. This is not the reasoned approach with which we are striving to sharpen our awareness. Religions will 'hold on' as long as people don't fully embrace a reasoned approach to understanding the circumstances of their lives. When religions are finally sloughed off, it will be because people are finally have developed the temerity to test even their deepest meanings of life - their own identity - through reason. Life | ||
Johnboy Member Post Number: 116 Registered: 07-2008 |
I just uncovered a very interesting article regarding the 'fabrication' of 'Jesus Christ' by the Roman empire. It matches information we have read from Billy. And the scholar is prepared to prove it. http://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm Johnboy | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 280 Registered: 11-2008 |
Johnboy, I don't know, but for me the article is a little misleading because Jesus Christ did exist, however his real name was Jmmanuel which was then flasified to Jesus Christ. So to say that Jesus Christ never existed is not entirely true. | ||
Colorado_dirk Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 10-2007 |
Understandably the US sets a low standard for religious extremism, but this article points at a trend towards the positive. http://investmentwatchblog.com/more-americans-believe-aliens-have-visited-earth-than-believe-that-jesus-is-the-son-of-god/ Overall it is good news, of course the article is also polluted with disinformation by the current 'ufologists' and other human forces behind the scenes. What's great about it is that it quotes the former defense minister of Canada with his truthful introspective into the phenomenon, here a small portion from his quote. (look up his youtube and news articles about him sometime, he's fairly right on point with a lot of it, Paul Hellyer, quite a refreshing alternative in politics). "We have a long history of UFOs and of course there has been a lot more activity in the last few decades, since we invented the atomic bomb and they are very concerned about that and the fact that we might use it again, and because the Cosmos is a unity and it affects not just us but other people in the Cosmos, they are very much afraid that we might be stupid enough to start using atomic weapons again, and this would be very bad for us and for them as well." I wonder if he has had exposure to Billys' material or was involved with some actual communication attempts. Cheers to a new year and hopefully a turn towards improvement for all. (Mods: feel free to move this to some other spot if it fits there better) | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 805 Registered: 05-2008 |
http://www.upworthy.com/l-ron-hubbards-great-grandson-spills-the-family-secrets-on-how-scientology-started-eek good stuff from L Ron Hubbards great grandson on the birth of scientology & its founder .. "if you want to get rich, invent a religion .." http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 392 Registered: 09-2011 |
If you want to mold people's minds, invent a religion. If you want to set them free, show them how to invent their own. Life | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 971 Registered: 06-2008 |
Gurus .... lucrative business enterprises, brainwashing cults targeting the naive ? salvation and enlightenment for a price ..... Worship the master ..... and dont forget ..... bring your money with you. Here's a 1 hour 45 minute documentary with a not so flattering take on the Indian guru business. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT4w-0Wxg4o Cheers. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 810 Registered: 05-2008 |
Ramirez, you've got to be kidding! Do you know who put that film together? hint: check out the description - "Jesus Is The Only Way!" This is a useless piece of highly biased trash trying to get rid of the latest competition and keep a lock on their near monopoly of the holy business. On the one hand you have an Osho Bangwhan Sri Rajneesh, perhaps the greatest pimp the world has ever seen, who brought young boys & girls together to have sex & he kept all the money for himself in order to purchase 21 Rolls Royces & a 65000 acre tract of land to be called Rajneeshpuram. And on the other hand you have the holy hookers in Vatican City & all the opulent mega-churches, not to mention all the other wealthy, gaudy monuments to robbing the poor while stealing their psyche. http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Marbar Member Post Number: 257 Registered: 12-2009 |
There is something that bothers me, it is something that Catholics do. It appears that some or many Catholics are nice to people who don't follow their religion on Sundays. But, during the other six days of the week, the Catholics are mean to those people. Why do Catholics do this and how to deal with it? | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 973 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Earthling, I never claimed the video was impartial or fully factual but as stated it does shed a dim light on the Hindu religion and some of it's spin offs. For sure it's a christian smear campaign though when investigated to a degree still presenting much accurate material particularly about the materialistic aspirations and goings on of various gurus and how their "spread the faith" missionary work operates ..... haha that is funny  But yes i agree .... a strategy to help keep the monopoly intact and vilify the competition. From that perspective it's quite amusing how the holy ones point dark fingers at holy ones with divergent viewpoints trotting out a chorus of "experts" All those disenchanted seekers of salvation and enlightenment buying tickets to India instead of donating to US tele evangelists or attending skydaddy rallies at home .... and spending their money locally supporting the true faith .... it's literally satanic ..... Cheers. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 526 Registered: 12-2009 |
It is not advisable to become entangled or embattled with anyone that suffers from god-delusion or delusion-sense. All I can tell you is that their religion gives them a sense of entitlement, like a false "golden ticket", where they no longer find it necessary to consider their fellow human beings as equals. It is truly a trap indeed. Billy often calls it necessary to consider your fellow human beings in all things, assisting them to live and considering them equals. Since time immorial this is the difference between truth and un-truth, and those that speak and work for the truth are swiftly met with ridicule and mockery and disdain. Salome Corey OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Ferbon Member Post Number: 341 Registered: 05-2012 |
Marbar It is possible that the confusion arises from how you have written your observations. You could perhaps say that any believer is simply not yet using logical thinking processes which fact may correctly be recognized in more and more details by anyone who knows and utilizes the truth. ps. libraries could be filled with books about illogical thinking caused by religions. Salome | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 811 Registered: 05-2008 |
Hi Ramirez, as one Indian guru non-guru put it a dozen years ago or so - "if Indian spirituality had anything of value, India wouldn't be such a mess today" http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 974 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Ramirez, as one Indian guru non-guru put it a dozen years ago or so - "if Indian spirituality had anything of value, India wouldn't be such a mess today" Hard to argue with that But those who do would likely say it's mainly because the ones causing most of the problems are worshiping the wrong gods .... or gurus or maybe worse still .... aren't worshiping any at all  Cheers. | ||
Marbar Member Post Number: 259 Registered: 12-2009 |
Corey and Ferbon, What I'm asking is from my personal experience. I try my best to be nice to people everyday, moreover, some of the Catholics demand people be nice to them everyday. Yet, some of them only are nice to other people only on Sundays and at the the same time, they demand people to be nice to them everyday. It is indeed a result of following a god-delusion and a habit of bad-manners. | ||
Alejandro New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2014 |
Hi, I´m new in this fórum. I´m glad to meet them everybody | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 976 Registered: 06-2008 |
Muchos welcome Alejandro, Strange place in some ways but the information circulating here is quite unique. If you are interested in the mysterious .... it will become less mysterious after observing and participating in what goes on here. Cheers. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 983 Registered: 06-2008 |
A History Of Disbelief ...... 3 BBC videos each an hour duration narrated by Jonathan Miller (born 1934) Well worth watching ...... intelligent, articulate, well researched and ..... logical. Episode 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2J232lPZno Episode 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUn9bOh3e9g Episode 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rZsWP2z3cE Cheers. | ||
Operationnightfall Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2013 |
While religion is base on lies it has some degree of truth in them. Some of the character in the holy Bible for instance actually existed, such as Moses, Adam, Eve, Seth. I wonder if Cain and Abel are real. I couldn't find any info on billy Meier's reports on those two brothers. Can anyone confirm if Cain and Abel really existed and I wonder if Cain truly did murder his brother in a fit of jealousy. It just got me curious. | ||
Verlanis Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 10-2012 |
As far as the Meier material pertains, that I know of, there is not a mention of the Cain and Abel story. One Area that is overlapped by both stories is The Book of Enoch, and history about Semjasa presented in one of the Contact Reports. Jack -- | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 984 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Operationnightfall, Not sure if Adam & Eve kept a diary and if they did ..... where did the writing material originate from .... which language was used .... where did they learn a language seeing according to the holy ones they were the first ever persons but also ..... if Adam & Eve bore Cain & Abel ...... where did the rest of humanity ..... all the other people which followed originate from ? Think about it ..... Adam .... Eve ..... Cain and Abel ..... still only leaves one female .... and after Abel's alleged departure Adam, Eve, Cain .... mommy, daddy and son. Well .... how did the remainder of humanity continue to propagate and ..... how did the various colored races originate from the genetic pool of 2 persons ? PARADISE TIMES HEADLINE NEWS. Cain kills Abel in jealous rage .... mommy and daddy shattered ..... skydaddy not pleased ..... Cain sentenced to 30 days community service cleaning camel dung from the streets of Eden.}}}} Cheers. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 985 Registered: 06-2008 |
Also ...... Reliable scientifical studies by recognised experts confirm permanent brain damage is one of the inevitable results of believing in an invisible man in the sky who doesn't exist. Question 1. How does a bottle of wine purchased from a liquor store become the blood of a 2,000 year old corpse and why would anyone want to drink it ? Question 2. How does a wafer biscuit bought from a supermarket become the flesh of a 2,000 year old corpse and why would anyone want to eat such a thing ? If persons have a logical answer answer for the above they are either barking mad or maybe as the studies indicate their brains have deteriorated to such an extent that any connection with effective reality has disintegrated to a point where they are no longer functionally sane. Cheers. |
