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Corey
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Post Number: 997
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 16, 2015 - 11:03 pm: | 
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-As Billy explains in “God-delusion and God-delusion-insanity”, page 75: for those that suffer from God-delusion-belief, that pray to a non-existent deity, and feel their prayers are answered, each supposed “wonder from God” is really from the natural process of a determined, existing & emerging cause, that is given a logical effect.
my thoughts: people confuse their supplication prayer, (if it manifests itself) as a “wonder of God”, instead of the logical law of cause and effect. This must date our current age of belief, instead of our emerging age of knowledge. Although small numbers of us, are emerging into the age of knowledge, right now!
-Billy cites an example that if someone is suffering from an illness, will not get better as a result of god-belief-prayer, but as a result of the cause of the kind, and strength of the illness, the medical treatment, the medications, and the emerging will of life resp. the immune-system-based-opposition-power to the illness.
Salome
this = summary of original German of "God-delusion & God-delusion-insanity" page 75, copyright FIGU/BEAM.
Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche
Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124
Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216
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Kiwiseeker
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Post Number: 153
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - 11:41 pm: |
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Jesus Christ & Mithra:With Xmas coming up I researched the connection between these 'tin gods'.The Orthodox Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version.
e.g.
-virgin birth
-the most important of his many festivals was his birthday, celebrated on the 25th of December
-had his principal festival on what was later to become Easter,at which time he was resurrected. -his sacred day was Sunday, "the Lord's Day."
Also it is noteworthy that the Vatican was built upon the grounds previously devoted to the worship of Mithra.
The similarities between Christianity & Mithraism almost seems more than mere coincidence.
Note:The first written mention of the Vedic Mitra dates to 1400 bc. His worship spread to Persia and, after the defeat of the Persians by Alexander the Great, throughout the Hellenic world. In the 3rd and 4th centuries CE, the cult of Mithra, carried and supported by the soldiers of the Roman Empire, was the chief rival to the newly developing religion of Christianity.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
Charles |
Hugo
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Post Number: 120
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 12:19 pm: |
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Does Billy and Figu members celebrate Christmas like everyone else does even though many are not religious? It's a tradition now. |
Stefan_z2
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Post Number: 50
Registered: 12-2014
| | Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2015 - 06:13 pm: |
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Hello Hugo,
The question of celebrating or not on currently mostly religiously branded festivities such as Christmas and Saint Nicholas Day should really be one about concern for the wellbeing of our children. Young kids are in a development cycle, where watching and imitating what other children are doing is a big deal.
When truly decoupling family celebration from the religious overhead of nonsense, this can perfectly be justified. Keep in mind that as good as all of the related rites have no origin in Christianity. Enjoying the practice of making gifts to loved ones, and being happy about the fact of the dark season turning back to longer days with more light can certainly be practiced with the kids. When also using those occasions for explaining the roots of those habits and the blatant global dissent about the various bizarre religious guesswork, there needs not to be anything wrong when celebrating a family fest of giving or a fest of light.
If you can read German, you can find those matters nicely discussed in the following brochure https://shop.figu.org/schriften/kleinschriften/weihnachten?language=en. And I recall reading in the contact notes that the Pleiaren greatly enjoyed watching the Saint Nicholas Day ceremony for the children in the FIGU center (there is even a photo about that in the Photo-Inventarium book), to an extent that they considered a poll of Era’s citizenship about introducing such a lovely fest of sharing small self-made gifts.
Salome,
Stefan |
Hugo
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Post Number: 122
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2015 - 11:50 pm: |
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Stefan_z2, thanks! I didn't know that and will certainly try to use google translate to translate that brochure. |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 220
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Monday, December 28, 2015 - 10:06 am: |
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Personality and political candidacy side, we all know what religion has done to Mother Earth and her residents; in the U.S.A. the candidates are thinning out, which will tell who will be the chosen to run for President in 2016. Some of us are looking at other factors in these candidates than what most voters are seeking. For instance:
Ted Cruz; according to the news media, the religious right is strongly backing him.
Hillary Clinton appears to be one of the most corrupt, many will vote for her only because she is a woman without knowing the facts. She is a devout Methodist.
Jeb Bush; well we know about the Bush legacy and the potential of WW-4.
Bernie Sanders is a professor of religion at the University of Vermont, no need to say any more.
Chris Christie is a devout Catholic despite departures from some of the church’s more conservative social stances.
Martin J O’Malley; pray every morning, church every Sunday, devout Catholic. His role model is a Jesuit priest by the name of Father Horace McKenna.
Donald Trump refuses to talk about religion; he says that’s personal. He is flamboyant and earned the majority of his own money, but appears to speak the truth.
Billy obviously knows which candidate would be best suited for office of “Commander In Chief” in America; however, Billy will not get politically involved in comments and more than likely will not say anything until after the fact, as he will not alter historical events; we the people must make the correct decisions; it’s up to us to remove the bad leaders and install the good.
Kenneth |
Corey
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Post Number: 1011
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Monday, December 28, 2015 - 10:43 pm: |
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You say Hilary is a criminal, which I have heard before, the only reason she has my partial respect is: she said she would make the US be 100% renewable in a couple of years, this would be a great transition, from fossil, coal, and nuclear, ambitious for a candidate, and we would see the exact opposite from the right. I would never vote for Sanders, he wants to open all borders.
This may be all for moot anyway, someone posted on MH blog last year, that he/she visited the Center, and was told the right would regain power again this election. Keep in mind, this is hearsay, and I cannot confirm it one way, or the other, I guess we'll see, huh?
I agree with Trump's plan to ban Muslims from entering US, but that is about all I agree with the man for. Whoever it is, will have to handle the 2020 collapse, hopefully without too much anarchy, and civil war. Remember, Ptaah said Obama's successors could use the situation for a reorganization, or it will be naked Gewalt.
Either way, I am so sick of hearing about the US all the time, I wish our country wasn't so damned instrumental in causing the pending WW4, and to make it worse, whatever leader our people pick, will probably just reinforce all the positions other countries have, and return towards the US causing so much conflict in the world. The right wants so bad to "make America great again", and "restore the US to the position of world leader", so much fanaticism, much of it religious in nature, I shudder to think if the right wins again, I think we will be in for a dark future.
When Russia first started their Syria bombing campaign, Obama was interviewed, and the 20/20 interviewer was so damned determined to point out to Obama, that Russia, by starting their bombing campaign, Russia was trying to jeopardize the US word-leadership position. Obama flatly did not let himself get all riled up by the interviewer, and said "no, it is their right, if they want to help their only ally in the region, they can do it if they wish", Obama may have let the AntiLOGOS change him, but deep down he is a man of peace, say what you want to about him, in a negative way, but WW4 did not start on his watch, at least not yet. He infuriates the right, by his (most of the time) passive nature, when it comes to international US actions, compared to anyone else who has been President of the US, it makes me happy to see them that infuriated. This is how a leader should be, calm, and rational, who makes the best decisions possible for his people, and the rest of the world, no matter who he/she pisses off, by using logic. Keep in mind, that Ptaah clearly stated, the intelligence agencies forced his hand, for many of the nefarious operations he authorized. Which is way less then most US Presidents anyways, but the point is, we could have had it much worse then Obama, and way just may have it worse then Obama, in the next election. Besides, Obamacare has worked out good for me, and my health issue, I would hate to see the law gutted, reversed, and destroyed.
Salome
Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche
Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124
Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1556
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, December 28, 2015 - 11:30 pm: |
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Hi Kenneth
Just wondering how many of these people do you think genuinely believe in a God or religion.
Politicians being politicians my personal opinion is that they use religion as a tool to get votes knowing full well that its the votes that really counts.
Matt lee |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 221
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2015 - 11:04 am: |
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Matt,
Good question; of course you’re correct: politicians will use anything at their disposal to swing votes. Of the seven candidates mentioned, it appears that Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are the least religious; that doesn’t mean that they’re the best candidates.
The Clintons especially use religion to get the Bible belt voters as well as other to vote for them. A friend who was a Federal Investigator with a top-secret clearance worked the Washington DC area. If you were told what the Clintons criminal activities were, you would be sickened.
What incidents that have already been exposed about Bill and Hillary is only the tip of the ice-berg so to speak. Who knows, maybe this is the kind of person that is needed to lead America out of the abyss that has been created?
Kenneth |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 222
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2015 - 12:13 pm: |
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Hi Corey,
Information received from a Federal Investigator that worked during the Clinton administration has said that the Clinton’s should have been incarcerated for their crimes; which should not be mentioned on this site, as they are beyond comprehension of most good people.
It’s known what Hillary said about “Renewable Energy”, this is a buzz word right now. Who knows, maybe she will follow through; Hillary and most other politician’s will tell the people what they want to hear; we all know this. For myself; voting for the best person for the job is foremost, regardless of their political association.
Yes, we must curtail using fossil fuels and nuclear; how to get there is the clear challenge? Hopefully our thoughts and meditations will help in getting the correct person into the Oval Office, whoever that may be? When politicians continually tell you what you want to hear; it becomes difficult to determine who is the right person for the job?
Trump has some good ideas and plans; on the other hand, would he be too aggressive and trigger WW-4; who knows? The current political institution is threatened by him; that could be a good sign? They’re doing everything they can to discredit him. LOL, it appears though, that Trump could be his own worst enemy? Either way, the U.S. needs to stop being the World Police and pull back troops from all over the globe.
Yes, when Ptaah said that Obama’s successor/s could use the situation for a reorganization, or it will be naked Gewalt, is a scary thought; but we know the collapse is coming. There also appears to be options here, reorganization or Gewalt?
There is no place in the world to run; we all will have to deal with the coming worldwide collapse of most all infrastructures.
Kenneth |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1557
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2015 - 04:23 pm: |
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Hi Corey I don't doubt for a minute what Hillary said about renewables but time and time again politician always make excuses to break their campaign promises after they get elected.
Its been like that since immemorial.
So I usually don't take stock of most politician's false campaign promises nor their Polly speak.
Whoever gets elected must tow the Dark Order of Darkness line however well intended they are.
Be they an angel the already set up system entrenched for so many decades infested with some nasty Corporate- Security- Military- Industrial- Financial- Secret Society- Complex vultures and hyenas will pull the strings on POTUS.
So by right it matters not one iota who gets elected president as he/she is just one person against the many.
When it comes down to it it should be the people and the people alone organised into small manageable groups (not the hippie group type of arrangement) and communities helping each other in all fronts and voting with their wallets by first purchasing from locally run and locally made products and not from big multinational job and wage killing corporations.
The empowerment of people and the ability to be self sustaining is the goal and the freedom from the parasitic corporations back to the local people.
Some people argue that big corps are big employers.
I say BS
Its because they exists in the current arrangement that we see the huge wealth disparity and gap between the rich and poor not to mention high unemployment and the destruction of the middle class and their ability to run a small business.
If most corporation and too big to fails were decimated and weren't allowed to exist the vacuum would be filled by the ingenuities of local people who will fill the void and the niche market with their own creative ways.
Who said you had to pump billions of corporate cash (debt) on big projects where the local's cannot?
Why not just forego these projects and find alternative ways.
This is a silly argument money hungry whores and vote loving politicians would like to make to justify big spending and charging toll fees and rights of use.
The multinationals in the current arrangement should all be dismantled so that the wealth of nations can be transferred back to the regular citizens.
This will be the start of change in the political landscape and power to the people instead of special interests and lobbyist groups.
The difficult part is getting people together with common goal higher than themselves as people are by design so divided.
Matt lee |
Watchdog
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Post Number: 84
Registered: 12-2014
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2015 - 08:53 am: |
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Slap ! Wake up. LOL
President after president rambles on about renewable energy while they are campaigning.
I have read somewhere in the notes or bulletins that President Obama is pretty much powerless because of the forces around him by the "real controllers" of politics. It sure seems to me that Obama wasn't ever really in that "inner circle" that has plagued DC for decades. He has been harassed since day one. I believe Obama had good intentions but the powers he's up against are too powerful. We surely do not want another Bush or Clinton in command again.
David AKA Watchdog. USA
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Corey
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Post Number: 1014
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2015 - 09:55 am: |
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Kenneth,
Thanks for the information about Hilary. I just remembered, a few years ago, Billy said in the Q & A that it is a very good thing Hilary didn't get the Presidency in 2008, because she is a very power-hungry person. Yes, she may be just spewing honey from her mouth, when she mentions renewable energy, and she may not follow through, this could just be a ruse to gain votes.
Trump could be so anti-establishment, that he may be the right person for the job. Maybe he could shake up the Anti-LOGO establishment, that normally surrounds the POTUS. Putin likes him. Then again, maybe he is the catalyst that could trigger WW4 like you say. I'll keep an eye on him, so I can judge the man for myself.
It is so terrible, that all we get to see are the candidates words, to judge them by, not actions, and these words are usually "tell them what they want to hear" words, with no valuable substance.
We may need to actually wait to see who the Democratic, and Republican nominees actually are, before we rack our brains too hard, although Hilary, and Trump are the clear (at least for the moment) front-runners.
I think you brought up a good point, that it is up to us to get the correct good person for the job, in office.
Salome
Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche
Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124
Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216
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Corey
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Post Number: 1015
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2015 - 09:58 am: |
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Matt Lee,
I think you raised many good points. I have actually been trying to keep my money local, and keep it out of the hands of the meta-national-corporations for many years . There is a "The Way to Live" verse that states a wise one will not make the super wealthy richer, or something similar, I'll try to find it again, and post it.
Salome
Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche
Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124
Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1558
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2015 - 06:49 pm: |
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Good on ya Corey
Keep it local as they say if you can help it.
Its unbelievable how much power people running the big corporations have over our lives that its not funny.
A classic example is that our former prime minister Kevin Rudd was deposed by the powerful mining interests and Julia Gillard p***ed off a few Dark Order scums over leaning towards China that slimy puppet Bill Shorten did the dirty deed done dirt cheap on em to become the next leader of the opposition.
There is not a single listed company at the ASX (Australian Stock Exchange) that isn't partly owned by US mega mulitinational corporations.
You probably already know this but just to give people an idea just how powerful a spin off company of Blackstone named Blackrock is, they either manage or own $4.5 trillion dollars worth of assets on top of indirectly consulting and advising other corporations over $15 trillion dollars worth of assests.
Its unbelievable.
Another example is Samsung which accounts for over 22% of South Korea's GNP
We are talking about hundreds of billions of dollars here and yet Koreans mistakenly believe that Samsung is owned by Koreans which could not be further from the truth.
Its no wonder with all that power over the domestic and international markets like Samsung the little man operating small business goes belly up within 3-5 years and I am talking a modest 80% of all new startups in Korea.
Yet it is the stupidity of the brainwashed masses who are so enticed by all the ads run by big corp over their TV, cable, satellite, newspaper, magazines, billboards, K-Pop marionettes etc that they keep spending their slave wages in these places.
So it does make sense for the little man to forego materialistic temptations and peer pressure in all guises and forms no matter how hard it is not to keep up with the Jones and to start doing what makes logical sense by stop shopping in places run by big corp so that small businesses who are actually the largest employers have a better chance.
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1559
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2015 - 07:39 pm: |
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Hey Kenneth even the tip of the iceberg you mentioned about Billiary the Killary is sickening enough itself.
I mean you just have to look at the Vince foster case, the bengazigate, email incident, drug running, pedophile association, bush association and so on to realise just how nasty and evil this opportunistic couple are.
'We came, we saw he died' will forever be etched into my mind when it comes to Killary.
Yet how friggin stupid do you have to be to vote for this deadloss yet she is one of the frontrunners would you believe.
This doesn't reflect all that well about the American voters.
You can't have an incremental and progressive change as long as these vile and evil people guard the henhouse that is the White House and as long as the vast majority of Americans remain stupid and ignorant.
Unfortunately your country needs a revolution so that every scum occupying the power positions in the halls of the congress and senate is driven out and as Billy recommended, replaced with spiritual leadership .
But as we have adnauseously talked about or rather written about here, the only reason why we are still writing about it is because nothing has changed and will not change for a very long time to come.
Hey at least they give us something to bitch and moan about and maybe do something about. |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2587
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, December 31, 2015 - 05:44 am: |
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The Planet Earth » Religion/Relegeon as discussed in FIGU material
Please lets get back on topic. |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 223
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Thursday, December 31, 2015 - 08:37 am: |
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Newinitiation,
Your point is well taken and unfortunately, accurate. It appears that there is one single common denominator among all the people that continually vote these deplorable people back into office; Religion! Why? Because these unfortunate people have been lead by a religious lie for so long, they have great difficulty in seeing the truth.
Notwithstanding, most of us in this forum have friends, relatives or other loved ones that absolutely do not understand or comprehend this biblical departure from the truth.
Kenneth |
Corey
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Post Number: 1016
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Friday, January 01, 2016 - 01:14 am: |
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Kenneth,
Good point, we all know, or are at least related to, someone who is deeply religious. Religion constricts the intellect, and rationality, of the person affected, and not seldom, they are fanatical and dependent on God-delusion-belief, and share their delusion-belief with others, by missionizing.
The unvirtues of religion lead to lots of imbalances in Psyche, and consciousness, and in the personality, and can lead to imbalances in the character as well, as can lead to negative, or sometimes positive Ausartung.
Billy has stated those afflicted by God-delusion-belief register in their subconsciousness that belief and religion is not the way to go, but they are trapped, and know no way out of the vicious cycle, and are far from following the laws and recommendations of Creation.
Most earthlings have a genetic predisposition to belief, and I see the negative US religious fanatics voting for the wrong people for centuries yet. I suppose it all depends on what disasters lie ahead, and if the surviving masses learn anything from voting for people who cause them disasters.
Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche
Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124
Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1562
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, January 01, 2016 - 05:26 pm: |
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Right Kenneth
Most of my extended family is religious
They also want me to believe
They are devout catholic
So I can see why false religious humanitarianism comes into it when it comes to deadlosses being voted in over and over and over and over and over again.
It could also be that the more developed you are consciousness and spiritual wise the less interested and participatory you would be at organised politics in its current form therefore the reason why scums float to the top and there being no shortages of them to fill in any political vacuum. |
Kiwiseeker
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Post Number: 155
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2016 - 07:33 pm: |
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Well said Kenneth,Corey & Newinitiation.Billy refers to the 'religion disease' and my understanding is that there is a genetic influence as well.Fortunately my parents were only fringe religious-marriages,christenings,funerals.The state secondary school I attended had religious observances every morning-Lord's prayer,bible reading,hymn.We were all like robots,but I confess that I enjoyed the singing!
My wife is a Filipina,hence catholic,but no longer participates in the rituals and now has a reasonable understanding of the truth-not through any brain washing on my behalf,but as husband and wife we are of course constantly discussing what we come across in daily life.Having visited the Philippines I can see how religion is so much part of their culture,their daily life.If you do not participate,you would find it very difficult living there as a family member -you would stand out like a sore thumb!It may be of interest that the national anthem of New Zealand is 'God Defend New Zealand' (I no longer sing it) and NZ is often referred to as 'God's Own'!
Charles |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1564
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, January 03, 2016 - 05:16 pm: |
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Charles I reckon if the so called religious contagion is passed on hereditarily I don't see why other non religious beliefs or tendencies are not passed on either.
There are so many similarities shared by parents and biological children besides the physical characteristics that they don't say 'he is a chip of the old block' for nothing.
So IMO even though our spirit form is one other equation (environmental, consciousness, personality, psyche and hereditary factors etc) that determines our life the hereditary factors are very strong determiner also in why we are the way we are and why our life has taken the path it has to arrive where we are instead of the path other people have taken.
So its a bit of everything with some more and some less.
Matt lee |
Kiwiseeker
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Post Number: 157
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 04, 2016 - 12:51 am: |
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I agree Matt,that non religious (sectarian) beliefs/tendencies can have a genetic origin.Of course the basic personality enters the fetus at the time of conception,together with the spirit.I assume that thought processes also begin at that time and therefore influence (modify) the personality and (perhaps)the genes throughout the life.Of course there will be influences from the thoughts of others and em radiations-even before birth.I wonder what is the dominating factor -the might of our thoughts?
Charles |
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