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Stefan_z2
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Posted on Sunday, January 17, 2016 - 04:37 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello,

As far as exposing the uselessness – to put it mildly – of religions, this new study is the best piece that I have come across during a whole year.

Press release: http://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/religious-decline-does-not-equal-moral-decline-says-researcher/

I was about to buy an electronic copy for $30 when finding a free official download link over here. Pick it up before it is gone:

https://www.escholar.manchester.ac.uk/uk-ac-man-scw:280162

Salome,
Stefan
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Kenneth
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Posted on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 01:54 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Before opening this link to Rachid's explanation of Islamic Terrorism; it’s understood that the negativity towards Mohammed is not true. He jumps from one religion to another without seeing the untruths in ether one. Nonetheless, the part that appears to be factual is what Rachid said about Islamic Terrorism. I've never studied the Koran, but he sounds like he is speaking the truth regarding that particular topic.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=698996990181639

Salome
Kenneth
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Corey
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Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2016 - 07:32 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, I'm on vacation from work for 2 more days, so I have time to write some posts.

When I was a young boy, my mother had me involved in a Luthern-protestant church (typical of the Midwest US), and I hated it. It was so restrictive, and negative, and mindless, I could feel the positive energy leaving my body, in church services. My mother made me go to Bible studies, where I was forced to memorize all of the useless/tiresome Bible passages, which I quickly forgot, but two things stand out in my mind from that time:

the priest told the class that soldiers are forgiven for their sins of mercilessly killing their fellow human-beings by God, because they are only following orders.

I remember being so horrified at this statement. I tried to imagine what kind of God, would just give a pass for all the destructive slaughter.

He also told the class that babies are not without sin, because they sin, when they wrap their parents around their little finger, when they cry, etc, with all their needs.

I felt sick to my stomach when the priest released this information. I felt like how could such an innocent life-form, who is solely dependent on the parent for all of his/her little needs, how could he call that sin? I wanted no part of this religion, and it's sick, twisted ways. But, like the rest of the class, I was fooled into belief, I mean, the priest was "the expert" that we were supposed to look up to.

When I was a boy, my boyhood acquaintance, who was always in trouble for something, or another, and very often misunderstood, told me that: "religion is not real, it is just to control the people." I never forgot his courageous statement, but I was floored at the time. Nowadays, this boyhood acquaintance is in prison, doing time, as often (according to Billy) non-believers end up. I feel sorry for him, maybe I could anonymously send him some FIGU translations?

When I reached puberty, and began developing a personality of my own, my mother slacked off on the religion, and I didn't even have a Bible in my room, nor had I ever seriously read it seriously, and I started drifting from partial truth, to partial truth, typically found in New Age movements of various kinds, and I felt like I was missing something deep down, and I had to keep searching for it... I knew Christianity was not for me, but I just could not find any stable/lasting/sufficient answers to the questions I had. I was embarrassed to be Caucasian, because of all the evil deeds my people had committed in all of the world. I hated myself, and although I possessed some un-virtue, I possessed some virtue that I never wanted to give up. So I just kept hating myself, and struggling between un-virtue, and virtue. I spent as much time learning from other races as I could, culture to culture (which is real easy to do in the US). Flash forward many years, when I was working very hard to support myself as a single parent, I came across the Meier material due to interest in UFO's (I had a clear daytime sighting of one) when I had access to the first computer (early 2000's when computers were becoming more and more popular), at first I was curious, but I didn't get my feet wet yet. I dabbled here, and I dabbled there, I took long breaks from it, pondering about what I had read, and due to MH, Gaiaguys, and the FIGU forums, I became more and more involved into what I was starting to study.

Much of it was shocking, but at the same time, it was so incredible, I had so many questions, and the only thing I could do to answer them, was learn German, so I could read the books. Aside from Gaiaguys, there were not to many translations done in those days, no complete books, aside from TJ vol 2 (or was it 3?), so it seemed logical to learn a new language, and with some advice from FIGU Switzerland via email, I was off, and running. Encountering FIGU, learning German, and sticking with reading, was the best decision I have ever made in my life, it has literally changed my life. Nowadays, entire books are released in German/English translations, where one can read the English verse as a crutch, and then read the German, picking up vocabulary as they go. This is a great way to learn the language. Reading the German of this very old information, is so essential for the code, as well as, understanding differences that are due to great divides between German, and English for developmental cognitions.

When I first read in the Meier material that I was enslaved in my consciousness, due to religion, this was hard to accept, and it didn't sit well with me. Enslaved, how could this be? But now that I have been studying for some years, and made many a cognition about the negativity of religion, it seems like such a logical statement, and with each day that passes, I can see more of the forest, for the trees.

One thing I always wondered about Christianity, was the trinity (Father, son, Holy-Ghost), and I found my answer on page 230-231 of "Gotteswahn und Gotteswahnkrankheit" ("God-delusion and God-insanity"). According to the laws of Physics, there can be no holy trinity, only a duality of two opposite poles (negative and positive), that are different, yet one (AKA the law of contrariness), and also according to the laws of Physics in all levels, there is only the coarse-material, fine-fluidal, and spirit-energetical realm. Billy has told me that: " Coarse-material and fine-fluidal are belonging into the material realm, while the high-fine-fluidal belongs into the spirit-energetical realm. As an example, thoughts and feelings, just as gases, are belonging to the fine-fluidal realm. " So this is really a duality, not a trinity, and CF told me that:"a list of three things is not automatically a trinity" These answers contain much wisdom for me to learn from, and I am glad that I got the chance to get the answers while Billy is still alive! :-)

The spiritual sciences are so very interesting, and so is consciousness-based evolution, Religion just can't hold up in the future, as Earth humanity takes spiritual sciences more seriously, and more, and more people, liberate themselves from religion. I am glad to finally be one of the small numbers of people to be on the opposing force of religion, by peacefully studying Billy's books, trying to learn harmony, freedom, love, knowledge, and wisdom.

Salome

note: this post contains summary of German information found on page 230-231 of "Gotteswahn und Gotteswahnkrankheit", copyright FIGU/BEAM

mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche.
consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124
ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216
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Votan
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Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2016 - 09:14 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Corey

Very interesting , but a little bit too long.
joe
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Corey
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Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2016 - 09:50 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Votan,

Perhaps I overdid it.
mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche.
consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124
ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216
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Hugo
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Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2016 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Corey,

I don't think you over did it. I enjoyed it. Thanks!

I too was brought up in a religious family where I had to read/study the bible after tea most nights.
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Corey
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Posted on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 09:51 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hugo,

I am glad you are taking steps to set your consciousness free, keep up the good learning that you are doing!
mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche.
consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124
ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216
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Hugo
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2016 - 03:27 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Billy - "the nonsense performed by Catholicism, with the incantations and exorcism etc., all of this is plain nonsense."


The Catholic Church in Rome is starting to offer a week-long course on casting out Satan, preparing priests and some lay people on the finer points of exorcism and demonic possession.

EXORCISM AND DEMONIC POSSESSION COURSES BEGIN AT THE VATICAN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nz5x0xt8Wc
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Justsayno
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2016 - 08:02 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm really not against Catholic priests exorcizing each other lol.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Newinitiation
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2016 - 08:46 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hugo I am all in on this one.
I am going to take this course to exorcise the demonic Vatican completely from the face of this earth and whaddayouknow the Vatican is going to train me to do so.
How fantestical.

Matt lee
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Kenneth
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2016 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hugo,

justaman69721 has the best answer: By casting out Satan they mean shield the pedophile priesthood..

What is not said is that Satan is an invention of the church and does not exist.

Kenneth
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Corey
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Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2016 - 07:38 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)



(moderator: can you accept this corrected post instead of the other one in queue? Thank you very much.)

photo of earthquake damage in Christchurch, New Zealand. Since the 6.2 magnitude earthquake, there has been over 10.000 residual aftershocks.

Thanks to the illusions of Earth's religions (go forth and multiply whenever you want [incessant and rampant procreation]) our planet has been experiencing unusual earthquakes along the Pacific "ring of fire", to understand the geology of the situation: in fact, all of the earthquakes Billy has predicted are all enclosed on the Pacific "ring of fire", which due to the criminal irresponsibility of overpopulation, will be a quite devastating and alarming time in Earth's future, and this is all due to the negative illusions cast over terrestrial humanity by Earth's religions, as well as, Earth citizens either not controlling their sexual impulses by partaking in drunken one-night stands, or by serious couples not utilizing Earth's birth-control. Shamefully enough, in many areas of the world, religion has outlawed the use of birth-control, which afflicts the women's birth-control reproductive rights, and tramples the women's duty and obligation to protect her planet to dust. According to the terrestrial Population Media Center: 50% of the world's pregnancies are unintended, and 25% are unwanted (source: https://26wub7wo1rgzr1le3cirtuq3-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Population-and-Emissions-FINAL-Best-Resolution.pdf)

Earth will suffer some casualties due to these quakes, there is no doubt about that, and if our planet would have plans in place to internationally survey the damage, and search, and rescue survivors, as well as, utilize militaries that are not allocated to the fluid multinational peacekeeping troop, that are restrained to national borders for self-defense, and disaster relief, to try and bring some relief to the situation, as well as, try and clean up the damage. The international surveying of the destruction is critical, so the international coalition of observers can bear witness to the calamity overpopulation causes, and help world governments to support a world-wide birth-stop, with 7 year birth-rate checks, to maintain this birth-rate-reduction system for all times, so our planet can reach the desired goal of <529,000,000> million human-beings. We are going to lose some of our people [terrestrial humanity] to these quakes, and authorities will never know where, or when they will strike, but if our planet utilizes all the resources at their disposal to try and recover from the damage, or evacuate areas when there is indisputable proof of the "ring of fire" danger, and it's ties to overpopulation, when there are future time-travel investigations, our farther descendants will see our present terrestrial humanity did everything in their power to recover from the situation.

Salome/Corey Müske
mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche.
consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124
ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216
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Michael_horn
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Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2016 - 04:09 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A new blog on religious delusion:

http://theyflyblog.com/2016/06/21/radio-hosts-god-allowed-orlando-killings/
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Corey
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I think the false teaching of our planet, that is ingrained in each of us since birth, that we only have one lifetime to live, is responsible for the feeling that we "have to do it all" in one lifetime. To take all these trips (which compounds carbon emissions), to have all these children to extend the family line, to greedily use all the resources in the process.

Maybe this unconscious "do it all in one lifetime" is the reason the Earth is using up all the resources at such a fast pace, everyone needs the latest computer, the latest car, the latest cell-phone, with little concern about how this will affect future generations (which everyone will be reincarnating into), even if they are left with little, or nothing in return when the time comes. If our planet wants resources in the future, we will have to mine the asteroid belt, which could create a whole new unforseen generation of "belters", laborers, who at the beckoning of the wealthy, will go out and mine the belt, changing their bodies for the negative in the "Low G" lack of atmosphere in this future time (thank you Sci-Fi series research). What does current science say, "Well, we'll just go mine the belt when we run out of resources on Earth.".

In the present-time, the rapid acceleration of carbon emissions this century is only compounding the problem of global warming, which is compounded by our fossil fuel use, and our population levels increasing on the system, and studies show this could crash the system.

"Do it all now, because you only have one lifetime to live" = atmospheric collapse, which could be a situation we will urgently need to find a way out of, with the lack of space-travel resources to relocate 9 billion people. This could be coupled by the lack of the reincarnation teaching, that unless you leave orbit, you are bound to this planet, and will reincarnate into whatever planetary environment (either negative/positive) earlier generations left behind. The implications of our possible future planetary environment are frightening, Apophis, overpopulation, melting of Artic permafrost, etc.
mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche.
consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124
ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216
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Salome/Corey Müske
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Kenneth
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Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2016 - 09:22 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Historically correct but very few devout Catholics and others refuse to believe these facts.

Pope's and the Catholic Church.

Pope John XXIII: (28 October 1958 to 3 June 1963)
Murdered in 1962 by the same quickly-eliminated poison that killed Stalin. The purpose of the Cold War was to kill millions of orthodox Buddhists, and to install in their country dictators that will carry out the Inquisition, who are loyal to the Pope. One of those dictators was Joseph Stalin.

Pope Paul VI: (21 June 1963 to 6 August 1978)
Murdered on August 6, 1978 by quickly-eliminated poison due to intrigues of the Cardinal/s & Zionist extremists. Deception of the century; an actor was substituted for Pope Paul VI in certain public appearances beginning around the year 1975. Sound incredible? There is an astonishing amount of evidence; photos, voice prints and testimonials.

Pope John Paul I: (26 August 1978 to 28 September 1978)
Murdered in September 1978 only a month (33 days) after his election to the Papacy. John Paul obtained a list of over 120 Freemasons who secretly run the Catholic Church. He told an aide about his intention to purge them and the next morning the pope was found dead.

Pope John Paul II: (16 October 1978 to 2 April 2005)
Shot and eventually died of complications. This Pope made it clear that if the Russians directly interfered in the process of economic liberalization in his native Poland, he would return to his country to be with his fellow Poles in their fight for freedom. That threat was taken very seriously by the Russians; so it became expedient that one man should die so that the Soviet Union would not perish.


Joseph (Josef) Stalin (1879-1953)
“America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.”
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Stefan_z2
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Hi,

Before stumbling across a weird “study”/propaganda during the weekend I had not been aware of Richard Dawkins. Boy, his book and film must have been very scary for the Christian establishment, at least in Britain. If you have the time, then watch the linked YouTube clip. He makes the point very clearly that parents’ “educating” their small children in their own religious phantasies is no minor wrongdoing.

After less than a century ago witch-hunting the Jew Kammerer for those claims, medical science has meanwhile confirmed the fact that aspects of life experiences can indeed as traits be genetically handed over to the next generation. A pity that to the best of my knowledge no researcher has yet zoomed in on the question inheritability of a tendency for giving in to religious delusions. The way it is described in Billy’s book. It will be pretty disenchanting to see that falling for blind-believes is as unnatural and only stupidly acquired a human trait as using violence towards one’s spouse.

Below, my sharing in social networks…

Salome,
Stefan

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http://www.skeptical-science.com/people/bizarre-scientific-papers-responding-richard/

When just reading about 2 studies, each dealing with harsh criticism of a scientist specialised in evolution, it caught my attention. Amazingly, there are several linkages between the cases, some easy to miss. After as non-Brit educating myself on R. Dawkins, it is unsurprising that book and accompanying film...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FiHRVb_uE0

... stirred up strong reactions from religious institutions. Reflect on Kammerer’s discovery of inheritance of acquired traits/beliefs

http://www.alphagalileo.org/PrintView.aspx?ItemId=169525&CultureCode=en

in the context of Dawkin’s plea against unethical indoctrination of immature kids.
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Kenneth
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Stefan_z2,

Very noteworthy information; some one liner takes from the links.

-New Life Church in Colorado Springs reminds me of the Vatican.

-Analogy of the Tea Pot compared to God was very good. That is a good one!

-We’re all atheists about most of the Gods that society has believed in somewhere on Earth; interesting thought. My understanding is that atheism is also a form of religion?

-Irrational faith is feeding murderous intolerance on Earth.

-Isn’t it weird, the way we automatically label a tiny child because of its parent’s religion?

-Steven Weinberg, PBS interview, 1998. Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.
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Andrew_grimshaw
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If a christian helps someone who is not helping himself/herself, are they being presumptuous, insubordinate and going over sky daddy's head?
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Davidmg
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Andrew_grimshaw;

It depends on their motive and their mind set. Some do false tasks and deeds merely to report back to their members and say, look what I can do. But the only reason they may do things for others is to appease themselves through a form of inner self guilt for fear of punishment if they do not help, or when they do help a reward is to expected like a treat for a wagging tail. Furthermore it goes against free will of their inner nature because they are told to go out a help and look for so called "Lost Souls" and to lure them into their faith by offering of support by disingenuous means hidden behind a smile.

Now mind you not all are like this some do good deeds and things but, lack the skills necessary to actually promote self reliance, independence, dignity, self esteem, and so on.
Davidmg
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Kenneth
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I was in the barber shop the other day; during the course of some conversations, dropped a couple of one liners from Billy’s prophetic Teaching and information. Then the barber (Tony) cutting my hair said, “I’m of the Muslim faith.” That caught me off guard. He then went on to tell me about Jesus and how Islam is a religious system that began in the seventh century by Mahammad.

I asked him if he was aware that Jesus did not exist in the first century, as this person’s name was actually Jmmanuel. Tony said that he was aware that his real name was actually Jmmanuel as there are references of that name in the bible. He also went on to quote some lines from the Quran. Tony then said, “His name was changed to Jesus because that name means to bring all religions together, into the light”.

Never head of this version of Jesus’s name before.

Continuing, I said; it’s my understanding that Jmmanuel did not die during the crucifixion; he went to live in India and married, if you search, there is much documentation of him and his family in India.

Our conversation was very cordial (friendly); of course others in the barber shop overheard our conversation and became extremely upset; one man stormed out of the barber shop saying some snide unpleasant remarks.

Rarely do I talk about religion or politics in public with strangers; lesson learned, again!
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Andrew_grimshaw
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Very nicely put David. Nice.

Upon pondering all the thoughts that have surrounded my question
(I have been cleaning an all girls christian high school last 2 weeks)
so many crosses; the evil Ziel of Mammon & controlling & exploiting & ...
I will not be going back after they go on break soon.
The unachievable expectations of obligations, annoy me.
The new Talmud Jmmanuel will be an eye opener/cognition creator.

Love Patience, a Plant, a breeze, an Ant......
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Davidmg
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This is mostly for me but, I could see that others may become... shall we say Ausartung.

Beware the the pendulums return.

In other words there is an underlying discontent from so many years of Religious manipulation in countless forms, that now in front of us, for the first time, we are in reach of the corrections from these lies and when we come to fathom the vastness of what has really done to us that we should not become so angered by what has happened in the past that we rise up in hatred only to harm our future.

Also ...

"The Silent Revolution of Truth" is a wonderful designation for the mission. As it promotes a peacful means of teaching the Humans of Earth that the power of change is with inside all of us no matter how powerful an athoritive stronghold can be.
Davidmg
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Justsayno
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Hi Andrew, never be ashamed of hard work and an honest day's pay. Ants are also hard workers. I have an ant pile beside my strawberry patch. Strangely the honey bees love the raspberries but don't bother with strawberries that much. The ants take up the slack and do most of the pollination. My neighbours are always trying to get rid of their ants, afraid they are going to move right in and destroy their patch. I took a different approach and let them be, and rewarded them with spoiled strawberries which miraculously fall out of the sky haha. Did you know that they stayed put and have not overtaken the garden. Meanwhile my neighbours ant problem has grown, they can't get rid of them no matter how much they poison them and they have taken over their garden.
Sorry this is an environmental story, not a religious one, I think.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.

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