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Hendrikus1970
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Posted on Saturday, December 31, 2016 - 01:50 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My wife says the same as Kenneths wife.
She keeps saying its a cult and that billy or the P's cant be trusted.
Her reasoning is that if its realy true then why after all this time its stil only ONE man ( Billie )that they talk to .
I belief the Meier case to be true but again its a belief because nobody can verifie the case.
She says it was the same with the fallen angels story of Zecharia Sitchin and that we can never know what the true intentions are.
And in part i most agree with this,because i realy dont understand why each time the story gets falsified and in a way they create a new religion ( or let a religion or cult be created by powerfull earth beings after the prophet dies !) Like now again with this Galactic Federation of Light Group that is far bigger in followers then FIGU. This group controls our media,internet and so fort.That means that after for example a ww4 they can adjust things to their likking
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Kenneth
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Posted on Saturday, December 31, 2016 - 10:28 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hendrikus1970,

Totally understand where you’re coming from, nonetheless, if the truth rings true with you; you’ll know. From my point of view, perception and understanding, Billy is the real deal. I have not met Billy, yet; but I’ve never met any of the Popes, any U.S. President, or Mohandas Gandhi, Vladimir Putin or the Dalai Lama for that matter either.

None of these aforementioned people, except Billy have written tens of thousands of pages of documents, numerous books, countless U-Tubes presentations, many Video’s with no or very little pecuniary (financial) yield. All of the others mentioned are very well paid or request/expect monetary donations.

Billy and the Plejaren can't be trusted? This appears to be social programming.

In talking to my wife; she doesn't believe in extraterrestrials because she has never seen one; but yet she believe in God, Angels, Cherubs, Heaven and Saints without verification. This in a nutshell is social programming.

Sincerely
Kenneth
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Corey
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ILB, you wrote "Happy new year, may the Creation be with you :-)". Right back atcha! :-)
Salome/Corey Müske
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Cpl
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Hi Hendrikus,

When in situations with friends or colleagues like you describe, rather than using the word "believe" I use the words "think", "consider", "reckon" etc. Or the standby IMO. After all, it isn't that I believe it; it's my considered opinion after looking at all the evidence. This helps others to "think" about it, and not metaphorically run away from someone's "belief."
Chris

Use to the full both the heart and head and never lose either.
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Marbar
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MsMichelle,

What make it worst with Black people is that if you don't believe in any creator-gods, you will be considered a race traitor.

Sorry I came late into this conservation, the only way I will tell my family that I don't believe in any creator-gods is when I have the ability to move out and live on my own.

For now, I must keep it a secret.

In the Goblet of the Truth, it is stated in the earlier chapters that those who mock the truth is only hurting themselves.
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Savio
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When I first visited SSSC, my whole family worried the same.

Now my brother helps in buying books from FIGU Canada, and my daughter helps in running Billy Books.

It all takes time

Happy New Year!

Savio
http://billybooks.org
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Posted on Saturday, December 31, 2016 - 11:54 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Forces Of Religious Belief

In 1977 when Billy set up the Core Group and had to implement the P’s instructions *) on how to live peacefully and in accordance with Spirit Teachings there were lengthy discussions about the behaviour of some members that were still stuck with erroneous teachings.

Billy naturally wanted to solve the problems mentioned by the Ps.

(CR83)
So during three nights (2 a.m.) Billy tried (via “astral space leaps”) to find out why one member, a Mr. G. , had failed so badly (He was trying to find the reason for some events that upset the group harmony).

Thus he tried to access the data stored in the subconsciousness of a Mr. G.
But he was blocked by a huge power field of energy surrounding G.’s subconscious.
Despite this blockage Billy continued on.
But the power field was so immense that Billy lost his consciousness for a moment.
When he awoke he felt devilish pain in his chest “like getting torn to pieces from the inside out”.

He had to fight hard to free himself from the powerful force that wanted to kill him.
Was it not for his “self-generated blockade” he would have been in greatest danger.
(Billy admitted that he had noticed G.’s violet aura but did not think it was such dangerous.)

Semjase then tried the same and encountered the same danger.
Ptaah then investigated the “force field attacks”.

His findings (CR 85 / 15 Sep 1977)
-The attack could have easily killed Billy (if he had lost consciousness at a deeper level = without having his self generated blockade on) and should not be repeated.
- It was Mr. G.’s subconsciousness that created the force field – it was a defence that he consciously did not perceive.
- The defence reaction was the result of his subconscious which felt that religious commitments were threatened: the subconsciousness “reacted like a lightening flash when it noticed that his religious fundamentals were attacked.”

Ptaah then tells Billy that
“It is just these forces of a trapped religious belief that are the greatest on Earth”
They are so strong because they are based on the billion-fold thought energies of religious believers all over the world.
Ptaah compares the might these forces have with a mighty shell that encloses all our planet.
One should picture the forces as a pressure vessel:
The “wrongly believing people” accumulate immense pressures making the world a pressure vessel of intense beliefs.
- Sometimes a human connects his belief with this powerful pressure vessel - his subconsciousness then surrounds itself with the forces of radiation and energy that are accumulated in this pressure vessel making his subconsciousness impenetrable.

Ptaah finally advices Billy to avoid those places and people that associate with these forces as they are life-threatening and too strong – even for the Plejaren themselves:
“These forces of blind and erroneous faith are (simply) too powerful and strong …”

Billy replies that strangely it is just the religious people in our world who call these forces the ‘forces of darkness” - not knowing that it is their own belief-thought energies that create them.

Ptaah agrees and advices Billy never to mention to G. what happened or that his subconsciousness poses such a great danger as it would increase the danger for Billy and the SSSC without limit and that he would not be able to assist him then.

My conclusions:

To change religious beliefs via a sudden conversion may result in aggression.
A long-term view of growing peacefully and in stages into a new self image / view of the world and reality may be more appropriate.

Thus, when we sense an aspiration in our fellow humans, we may mention the truths we perceive.
But without impatience or attacking other beliefs.

There is a reason for the Plejaren strategy of giving humanity time, of letting humans grow themselves into accepting responsibility for their lives …

Salome,

Bill






*)
Semjase specified the major rules concerning the formation of the group and the tasks of each individual member. They were based on
1. Equal Standing
2. Equal Valuation
3. Understanding
4. Comprehension
5. Cognition
6. Co-operation
7. Execution

Semjase informs Bily that (after consulting the HC it was found that) not all members are fully complying
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Excellent definition of "social programming", Kenneth:

"In talking to my wife; she doesn't believe in extraterrestrials because she has never seen one;
but yet she believes in God, Angels, Cherubs, Heaven and Saints without verification.
This in a nutshell is social programming. "
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Votan
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Posted on Sunday, January 01, 2017 - 03:14 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I heard that Billy has his own version of the Bible.

Any available on the site .
joe
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Votan
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Bill

Very interesting story. So it is the force of religion that causes all the problems in the world.

Once you get rid of it then no more wars.
joe
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Eddieamartin
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That was a great post Bill (Tat_tvam_asi)

Thank you.

Very helpful with the conclusions I came up with and why I had changed my approach and methods.
Salome,
Eddie

In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Hugo
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Tat_tvam_asi, good post!

I wonder if it is the same for Islamic people as it is for Catholics/Christians? Islamic religion is bigger and they have a more radical belief system. Would Billy be in more or less danger if he probed the consciousness of them like he did for Mr. G?
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Msmichelle
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I agree great post Bill..... that will possibly explain the excruciating headaches I have when I go around certain family members when they are discussing religion.....
Marbar..... I agree with you as well I would keep things a secret until you have a safe place to express yourself.... trust me the religious delusions are intense..... such terms as "blessed" "highly favored""my god" are rampant as well.... which explains the force is real
MsMichelle
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Thank you Joe and Eddie.

Salome,
Bill
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Thank you all.

Billy's Reply ...

Quetzal explains in CR 106 (Apr 10, 1978) that even the members in Billy’s core group would be going in a religious-like direction if they kept on having direct contact with Billy and close contact with members:

“The smallest losses and problems of the group members were .. forced upon us …(if that continued on then it would end) … as had happened (and still happens) with the believers of religions who put their responsibilities aside making God and the saints responsible for everything…”

Q. then mentions that some group members are still “too entangled in their earthly way of thinking and acting”, failing to identify with the higher ways of evolution and that they are themselves responsible for their thoughts and actions.
“They know that their terrestrial way of thinking is insufficient and not logical but they do not try to remove (it themselves) … but always look for faults in our behaviour..”

He mentions that according to their prognosis it would take not more than 1-2 years before they (the Plejaren) would be held responsible for each misstep and each wrong thought of a core group member – “we would either be adored as gods or attacked as hated enemies”.

He then tells Billy that there is no other choice but to stop the direct contacts and use telepathic forms of communication instead.

Billy replies:
“Man, Quetzal – I myself am only a human being.
Do you not see that something is deeply strangling me?”

Billy’s words, don’t they express a sense of oneness with and understanding of human thinking?

We may keep this in mind when speaking to our religious neighbours.

Salome,

Bill
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Redbeard
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Excellent post bill!

(“The smallest losses and problems of the group members were .. forced upon us …(if that continued on then it would end) … as had happened (and still happens) with the believers of religions who put their responsibilities aside making God and the saints responsible for everything…” )

The key aspect with all religions that strangles people's progress toward spiritual evolution as well as personal success in all of life is the individual self-responsibility issue.

It effects every thought and then the action or inaction related to the thought. All because the deity is given this power to smite the poor little sheep for thinking certain thoughts and of course acting, or being paralyzed.

But when it comes to blaming others and if need be punishing them for being free from their rules then that's allowed and of course even encouraged to make an example of that person for not being as miserable and uptight as they are. It's practically sanctioned by the deity to punish the infidel..

Speaking for myself, as they say when you come off of a mission, you have to debrief all that has been happening in life and see what matches up to the truth and which things or programs are still running in your head. After a year or two of absorbing this material, for me the teaching boiled down to a foundation of self responsibility.

This requires massive effort, self examination and determination to stay in the truth, the hardest work but the most rewarding to stop being the pawn, the sheep..
To be honest the harsh reality of life on this planet requires real toughness and tenacity. Living this life in front of others in a balanced and courageous way will be a huge influence.


Peace, Matt
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Stardustwilly
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So the question with me is how does a person know if they still possess an un-conscience religious belief thoughts or mindset, I don't believe I have this problem. So how can you find out about it, and how do you eliminate this if you do. I don't believe I have any religious thoughts, conscience and un-conscience.
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Ilovebilly
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People who havnt studied Billys work dont know, the desire for truth,evolution level etc.. helps too

The cults are mostly from the old gizas/dark forces and resulting energies causing delusion in folks, cults still thrive for a while at the start of the new age but their days are numbered

Billy is the only one they visit, but i remember reading in cnotes they introduced Billy to a young girl via telepathy, i remember he said he was surprised at how strong (consciously/connecting) she was

When Billy dies our mates go home, another race comes who can mingle amongst us (they can handle our vibes) then when Billy re-incarnates also the Timar, in cnotes.

some thoughts

During the age of faith the truth is always turned upside down, often the opposite to what is common knowledge is true, the truth can always be found with Logic/Love

Even though the truth (teaching) gets falsified during the age of faith it dosnt mean Billy and co stop for a breather e.g. his re-incarnation as prophets during that time. The Plejaren evacuated at the start of the age of faith for many reasons,the cosmic cycle can affect decisions unknowingly

its not until a certain date that things come to a head and the forces collide, old gizas deported, ashtar etc.. peace meditation

its not planned that way, its a cosmic cycle that keeps evolution flowing, Billy and Plejaren also evolved a lot, The Plejaren had not fully mastered Love until the problems arrose, (unbiased/equal love they learnt)

dark forces/energies are still present. The peace meditation sorts that out on a global scale, on a personal level its done with Love/Logic ourselves. Clear the negative thoughts then use logic when neutral positive,you need to control your thoughts to overcome dark energies, neutral/Love thoughts are protection like water puts out fire, its like giving a carrot to a crock eh eh yuck

Most dark energy can also be neutralized with thought impressions, i also do thought light with chi energy

be unaware when dark energies are about+ in a neutral way

i think its best not to expect anything from those u tell about Billy, see if they are like minded when you sit/chat,works for me

The truth will flourish,its in the cosmic cycle of things, the dark forces fall, balance always restored, (WE-Forms/7 x consciousness from all 7 great times) not Plejaren who dictate this, the cycles cant be changed or swapped, they ar consciousness and vibrations through all great times, The 7 WE-Forms work together.

Salome
ilovebilly
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them.
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Some extremes are too much, though, and must be rejected ... e.g. "beheaded for shopping without her husband":

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/woman-beheaded-in-afghanistan-for-going-out-in-city-without-her-husband/ar-BBxIeOu?ocid=spartanntp
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Ilovebilly
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Gday Tat_tvam_asi
Thats why the peace meditation was implemented way back then, it neutralizes the Bell shape thang and overall negative energies,3.5 billion highly evolved beings of many races do the peace med since its discovery

thats why Love is so important,its protection,so is Logic

also neutral positive,reverence/venerability

msmichelle/all figu folks
some pointers about the negative side of thangs

re the headaches: if they are at the back of your head/neck (cerebellum) can be from dark energies,the dark energies cant exist with Love and Logic and light

the candle meditation or your sun/light on, u just react naturally from impulses/storage banks

burn incense at home daily, try get 20 mins sun/bare foot on the grass,You will notice they stop after a while

In the symbols thread is a photo of the cerebellum, i know howto clear it with vibrations/light in a flash,u think fast/clearly after doing it too, especially the first time u get it done correctly.

While looking at the cerebellum photo,imagine lightning going through it in, then do same to your real cerebellum

The first time i did it to the photo and then i could visualize it in my mind on my real cerebellum

i do it to my whole body or anything with negative energies BUT its the cerebellum where i clear/target first/priority is a vibrational power of all kinds,its a fine matter powerhouse not just thinking process, notice its design, it can do any fine matter frequency, out of all things its target #1 for dark energies,they use it against us instinctively

i also do white light or the sun on things

chi energy released can cause your vertebra to make a crack/pop sound, quite loud sometimes, thats good

A light thought suit protection meditation
i know its just thought but Thought Is All,and its fine matter ;-) after a while it becomes an automatic thing if thoughts turn dark
so does being neutral positive,forgiving

i know i sound a bit out there, i have experienced psy/scalar/elf/microwave and who knows what else

it brings out knowledge they are symbols too
turn anything into a symbol

it brings out high teach:
the SS symbol is howto supercharge your warp core (spirit) more soon, its an old Lyrien way/tech

clear the mind (cerebellum) and do em Lyrien style with the SS

in meditation u can find your sun/light:
imagine a light like a ball in the middle of your thought space/head
its a good thing for countless reasons, its like the sohar as it gives information,its an old symbol,when you can see it u can enliven it too, thats what the SS symbol does, they are not really an S they are energy flow symbols, helps gets both hemispheres of the brain in sync too

i will post a pic warp core/lightning bolts symbol

Our hands are where energy flows out, the thumb flows in, we can use our hands on our head too or on other peoples head to magnify forces without meditation


i know i say things you will never have read/heard anywhere else, its old tech though

(Its not for everyone i know, BUT some of u will ROCK This planet eh eh)

Billy can verify the things i say, he just isnt allowed to tell us as its psy technology, we need to re-discover things ourselves

calm,love,logic,respect for the enemy with your light on now n then ;-)


Votan
re:
So it is the force of religion that causes all the problems in the world

i will go into more detail soon i have thoughts i want to share:
Since earth is now protected from bad et's its only residual energy and people dont know The Creations Law

the only et of concern our mates have devices that detect what they is upto, the group of 4

there is another group of 3, more soon on a theory that is logical and a normal thing for a planet that evolves intelligent life

in the future cnotes mention descendants of ours will show up wanting to be worshiped, they will see our reverence n venerability and flee

one thing not considered: some of the naughty 144k have not evolved as hoped and the problem is they know howto access storage banks but they get some fast lessons in this life, we all do ;-) the good 144k+ is here until year 3999

the giants that died here cause issues but can be easily controlled, Maybe even useful if they stop wanting to be worshiped

having said that

Some thangs will probably need to be teleported into deep space on the widest dispersion in the future for earths protection. I am not joking, The Figu will know when the time is right and will do it as a last resort. Love/The Creations Law being the guide. Some energies dont transmute or die for millions of years, thats how we can handle that. Good to know now yessy

sacrifices create energies, this practice will be stopped/Smashed from the Face of the Earth! its a part of the cycle of things

our thoughts are our might, if we control them
the meditations release knowledge/wisdom/Love

clear spaces of dark energies as you walk, the fox always senses a lion

basically do the candle/sun meditation it teaches u things u desire and need, the sun is your sun, its far greater than the greatest sun

i imagine my sun walking about or anytime i want my storage and The Creations secrets,for new things i sense. You dont need to lay down.

Cold symptoms are often negative thoughts/energies
if you sniffle/cough it can be from a fear that negative energies widen, just think what thought u had just before/during the sniffle/cough
face/resolve the fear/protection meditation, notice the cold symptoms go

Facing our fears is fast evolution/lessons,get into it

I dont cough often, i stopped it by putting on my light and roaring, the cough can be a roar, we roar!

If the light protection meditation dosnt work enough: The saber of the mind will, u imagine holding a mirror in front of your face deflecting away, (its a symbol too, sets off other protection methods), can do this with mirror inside my mind as well, just imagine a mirror

we have defenses that just happen, even our sweat is an instinctive defense, or shivers are a symbol and protection

All the health tips protect against negatives. (ALL OF THEM ) Dont get hot in the shower/bath, dont eat fruit and meat together, shave pubic area (it was put there for negative reasons in the past), we are not meant to have pubic hair, spirulina/vit c, natural deodorant/cloths, etc... dont seem like much but they are together)

i will do a posts on a heap of other things i learnt asap

The Figu will cure the cold worldwide in the future, the cold will be wiped out, its basically negative energy, A lot of types of cancer and a heap of things too.

if u use fear as a tool/weapon study more,practice not doing it until u see how powerful your thoughts are without using it, its so beautiful too, if u continue to use fear its a very bad time cough to do it, more on that later

The Figu know how it all started,they know how it ends.
Salome
ilovebilly

If you are the suicidal thoughts type, fix it fast,it brings negative energies the most, they know a fighter is a waste and far worse could be a healer.

start the Love by not hating its easy and Logical and is our natural way
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them.
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Ilovebilly
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my Post Number: 516

be unaware when dark energies are about+

should have been
be aware when dark energies are about+
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them.
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Ilovebilly
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Can do with or without the center line, i do it with the center line in the kings chamber,u can plug into the pyramid, ignore the flower.
works for me, try whatever comes to mind too,i do different angles

i do it in my head or in the Kings chamber for a quick clean/zap
Bolts of Chronos
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them.
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Ilovebilly
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different angles for the bolts
in plain site
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them.

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