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Norm
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Posted on Monday, March 13, 2017 - 10:09 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is there any place in the new translated Contact Notes etc. where Billy talks about lslam's future? If it's never going to evolve the world is in some serious trouble. The Meier info needs to be translated into Arabic immediately.

I was reading info on how they view Dogs & they consider them unclean like pigs and kill them and in some cases torture them. It's disgusting and revolting. Any pet lover in the West better be prepared. In Britain now they are posting signs telling people to keep their dogs away from certain public areas and they are official signs by the British government.
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Historeed
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Norm,

I found this quote below online...sounds pretty familiar to what the Plejaren recommend about owning pets.

"If the saliva of a dog touches you or any part of your clothing, then it is required of you to wash the body part touched and the item of clothing touched by the dog's mouth or snout. It isn't haraam to own a dog, though it is not considered hygienic to keep a dog in the house."

https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-Muslims-touch-dogs
Matthew Reed
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Norm
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Historeed, I couldn't look at it all. The public notices got my attention thats why I went to the site. The West is just willing to compromise until there is no European culture left. As the numbers grow game over.

“MUSLIM DOG JIHAD”…Thanks to mass Muslim immigration, coming to a neighborhood near you
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2017/03/13/muslim-dog-jihad-thanks-to-mass-muslim-immigration-coming-to-a-neighborhood-near-you/
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Corey
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"But when many human beings suffer from the same delusion, just as it is with the god delusion, then the delusional insanity is called religion, and is made socially acceptable"

"Leiden aber viele Menschen unter derselben Wahnvorstellung, wie eben unter dem Gotteswahn, dann wird die Wahnkrankheit als Religion bezeichnet und gesellschaftsfähig gemacht"

http://theyfly.com/God_Delusion.html

"Vorurteile sind allzeitlich unüberwindbare Hindernisse und Schranken auf dem Pfade zur Wahrheit."

"Prejudices are, at all times, insurmountable obstacles and barriers on the path to truth."
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Taken from page VII of the introduction to Billy's book "Gotteswahn und Gotteswahnkrankheit" by Mariann Uehlinger (introduction only: SEE MH LINK). Translated by Vivienne Legg, Checked by Dyson Devine and Mariann Uehlinger/copyright FIGU-BEAM (Age of Aquarius publishing).
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One of my German prayers I sometimes say during my nightly reading sessions is from Billy's first meditation book page 64, and it states that "I do not let in me any prejudices, resistances, nor any foreign thoughts in any wise, I stay neutral, impartial, and controlled in every wise."
Salome/Corey Müske
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Kenneth
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Posted on Monday, June 26, 2017 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Corey,

This says a lot, excellent quote!

"But when many human beings suffer from the same delusion, just as it is with the god delusion, then the delusional insanity is called religion, and is made socially acceptable"

This also explains why there are so many religions in the world.

Met a person that says the he was a "Creationist", but he knew nothing of Billy's teaching material. If recalled correctly, this is also another form of a suto-religion?

It appears that even the The pig hunts that the young boys performed in Lord of the Flies are presented as religious ritual.

likewise, would not Islam also be a suto-religions / political system of belief that seizes on the weakness of other cultures to enforcer their own system on these diluted beliefs?

Kenneth
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Corey
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Posted on Monday, June 26, 2017 - 08:47 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kenneth,

Yes, a pseudo-religion is just as untrue as a religion because it has no proof-power, and does not have a speck of a weight of dust for the truth, and can be dangerous considering the pathological craving for retaliation, torture, killing those that are different, etc. For the afflicted, it is like empty wheat, with an empty grain harvest, as religion does not bring one closer to the truth, and allow one to make truthly realizations because it is far from the truth. Usually the believer is bound to his/her belief just as the prisoner is bound in jail, and he/she cannot break the chains to learn the truth.

Any form of belief that has one put something to the side of the Creation is a fool's game, and not the natural law.
Salome/Corey Müske
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Corey
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~Light the fire of life inside you, that can cause you to recognize the truth inside yourself:

28:177 "Eure Achtung und Würde in bezug auf die Wahrheit und die ganze Schöpfung sowie auf euch selbst ist nicht darauf ausgelegt, dass sich Wahrheit und Schöpfung euch nähern müssen, denn ihr selbst müsst euch durch euren Verstand und eure Vernunft in Erkenntnis der Wirklichkeit ihnen nähern, sie erkennen und ihre Gesetze
und Gebote befolgen."

28:177 "Your esteem and dignity concerning the truth and the whole Creation as well as yourselves is not laid out so that truth and Creation must approach you, because it is you yourselves who, through your intellect and your rationality in recognition of the reality, must approach them, recognise them and follow their laws and recommendations."

28:178 " Aber wahrlich, beim Gros von euch Erdenmenschen ist nur Bequemlichkeit und heuchlerische religiöse, ideologische und philosophische Gläubigkeit gegeben, eingehüllt in den schändlichen Mantel der Demut und Würdelosigkeit gegenüber euch selbst und in bezug auf die Wahrheit, die Schöpfungsgesetze und Schöpfungsgebote, die ganze Schöpfung rundum und die Schöpfung als Universalbewusstsein besonders."

28:178 "But truly, amongst the majority of you human beings of Earth there is only convenience and hypocritical religious, ideological and philosophical belief, wrapped in the villainous cloak of the submissiveness and dignitylessness towards yourselves and with regard to the truth, the laws and recommendations of the Creation, the entire creation all around and especially the Creation as Universal Consciousness."

~One can read in Asket's explanations part one, that the Bafath were very active in working against Jmmanuel's teaching, and that they had an active part in the formulation of the lies that would become the new Testament. Over the past 2000 years religion has promoted a culture of submissiveness-obedience, servility, and the debasement of honour, dignity, honesty, etc, that traces back to control over the species.

~Rules of society are very important, and according to page 314 of "the Might of the Thoughts" any given terrestrial has been exposed to rules of society over the course of many reincarnations that has established a foundation of what is right, and what is wrong. Billy has said that morality has to be the basis for the foundation of a society, but on our planet the untruth of religion is not the truth, and our planet has to adapt to the natural laws that govern the cosmos, to avoid negative cause and effect sequences, and to survive. On this planet, most people are followers, and 4/5 of terrestrial society are suffering from belief of God-delusion (Gotteswahnglaube). Unlike religion, students of the spiritual teaching are taught to be the neutral-positive equalised, which can bring out fruitful qualities such as deference, fairness, honour, etc.

For the past 2000 years, the ET Bafath have been steering us for the negative on the basis of control. The culture they criminally thrust upon us, is not based in reality, and is based on the untruth, and is based in submissive belief-dependency, now they (Bafath) are forever deported for their crimes of tampering with BEAM's mission to introduce a new thought-structure to the people of Earth, and so BEAM could leave permanent records of the spiritual teaching for the people of Earth, that will slowly become an Earth-chronicle.

The truth does not need people, the people need the truth, and that is today's mission. If you want to be successful at studying the spiritual teaching, you have to create a driving-force that kindles a love for the truth, that will kindle a driving-force to know the truth more, and more, so your knowledge and your growing wisdom become like the Creation, that is endlessly widened in evolutive development. Done with debasement, one needs dignity, self-confidence, and the firmness of fairness to be respected by others, but it's the kind of respect that will assist when asked for help, because it is the honourable thing to do. Society today needs people that have honour as a trait of character, and society needs people that have deference for all other races and life-forms, as well as, deference for the natural laws and recommendations of the Creation, not to mention deference for the Creation Universal-Consciousness (see Tat_tvam-asi's recent posts #649/650 in the "Creation itself").

Studying the spiritual teaching brings many benefits, and treasures of the consciousness. The bread of the truth is so much more rewarding then the stones of untruth that are fed to society that one can break his/her teeth on. Over the next 200 years, survivors and people will be recovering from the natural fury unleashed by our overpopulation, and other disaster brought about by our learning-experience inducement of an unsustainable (and wasteful) currently non-space faring society. One would think during this time, people will be born into terrestrial humanity [and taught by survivors] to have the mission's back no matter what adversity they face, because the foundational-basis of the mission is for the truth to survive and permeate in a world consisting of untruth.~

During this time-frame, people will have to make the choice to be strong, and try to become strong in the teaching (die Lehre). Maybe this will be because they were formerly a student in an ealier lifetime, and they are re-connecting. Maybe this is so it will be easier for them to study in a future lifetime, so they can be a part of the positive force of beneficial development and development of their future consciousness, and maybe this is simply because they no longer want to be lied to by religious society, their drive to know and understand the truth outweighs [and overcomes] the forced stones of untruth, which can bring about in one a respect for the [autonomous] oneness of the creational laws and recommendations that permeate all existences.~

* = "Goblet of the Truth" 28:177-28:178/translated officially by FIGU-Switzerland/copyright FIGU-BEAM (Creative Commons) [quoted material comes from BEAM's GOT, all other material is my own Gedanken und Gefühle that I leave here as a record].

Hi Corey, Could you shorten up your posts. Although you make excellent points, please try and adhere to the New Directives. Thank you and Salome

(Message edited by scott on July 19, 2017)
Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural):
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27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen."

27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under."
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Corey
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Scott, this was the shortened version. Do you think perhaps if I have many points, can I break it up? I can break up the post into multiple posts in the same thread over a period of a few days, would this help?

Salome and until you reply~

Corey, yes multiple posts are fine as long as they relate to the topic. It also makes it easier for the moderators to read shorter posts rather then longer posts. Thanks for your cooperation as always. Salome Scott

(Message edited by scott on July 19, 2017)
Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural):
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27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen."

27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under."
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Corey
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Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2017 - 07:30 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here's one to think on, to further become a wise or one with knowledge (do not be a weak-sensed/feeble-minded one): ~may contain errors, but will give one a sense of what the original German implys:

~32:41 "Religionen und Sektiererei sind wie das Gift des Skorpions, das dem Menschen das Bewusstsein raubt oder ihn tötet; der Weise und Wissende weicht dem Skorpion aus, der Schwachsinnige aber fasst ihn mit der blossen Hand."

~32:41 "Religions and sects are like the poison of the scorpions, which robs the human-beings of their consciousness, or kills him. The wise and ones with knowledge avoid the scorpion, but the feeble-minded ones grasp it with the bare-hand."

One of the byproducts of deluded-belief in a non-existent God is that it constricts the intellect and rationality. As GOT 28:61 explains, the natural energy-flows of creational energy and power are given to all humans, what matters is the varying levels of consciousness-based evolution, and the varying levels of intellect and rationality in being able to perceive these natural creational energy and power (whereas in a religion, one will only see the unnatural man-made religious and have an aversion towards the truth).

Billy writes about the importance of intellect and rationality in almost every book, and these 2 qualities are used for more then perceiving natural energy-flows, and a wise one with knowledge has increased levels of intellect and rationality from studying the spiritual teaching.

* = OM [Omfalon Murado] 32:41 translated by unofficially Corey Müske using the FIGU-Dictionary/copyright FIGU-BEAM (Age of Aquarius publishing). BEAM's OM material is in quotations.
Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural):
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27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen."

27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under."
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Justinelombard
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My understanding of the difference between religion and relegeon is that religion can't be useful for evolution however relegeon can, where as they are both based on belief, religion pertains to having false beliefs which won't help the humans evolution whereas relegeon is also having beliefs which are in accordance with the natural laws and therefore will lead to evolution maybe a bit slower (or different) but basically moving in a better direction than basing ones reality on falseness..
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Corey
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Justine,

Here is some further browseable information from FIGU's manifesto regarding relegeon.

"To define the difference between religion and relegeon, the spirit plane ARAHAT ATHERSATA has disclosed the following:

Chapter IV, Evolution, Verses 75-80
75. Only relegeon must be used for evolution – never religion as implemented according to your current concepts on Earth.
76. In order to experience evolution, the truth, wisdom, mastery, knowledge, love and others must be gathered and united once again from currently existing principles.
77. Yet, a religious-type format, that is, a reverse link, destroys relegeon already in its basic substance and prevents it from ever finding fertile ground.
78. A relegeon format alone is capable of inducing profound successes – religious formats can never accomplish this.
79. From relegeon originates effective knowledge, which results in further wisdom and knowledge.
80. These, in turn, ensure that the path of evolution may be entered into through both forms.
Relegeon is the factor leading back toward the Creative Truth, toward the Ur-Truth of all Creative growth.
Expressed in a religious sense, religion implies a reverse-bond to a god, respectively a creator, within the constraints of religions, to whom man must subordinate himself."

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU#WHAT_IS_RELIGION.3F_WHAT_IS_RELEGEON.3F
Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural):
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27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen."

27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under."
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Justinelombard
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Thank-you for this information Corey, After reading it I can almost picture both religion and relegeon as swingin g waves with the relegeous waves finding the momentum to flourish while the religious waves frizzel out and don't make it anywhere. I also sense an element of polarity which is the "charge" put onto the belief. Relegeous belief obviously has a positive or neutral positive charge which has a possibility of becoming fruitful (moving in a direction which can lead to life) yet false religious belief will lead to destruction and death. So these terms basically represent natural law at work. And we obviously neede d the higher levels of human consciousness to tell us this as it seems that this new term relegeon originated from the AA level through Billy, so the people here on earth fighting about religion would probably never have thought of this new word relegeon, as opposed to religion because we are al l too busy caught up in the fight that is religion.
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Kenneth
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Regarding “Religion/Relegeon”; I’m gratified that you folks brought this discussion up. Personally, I did not understand or even know what the true meaning of “Relegeon” was, until this was brought forward. This opens up a whole new chapter in my studies.

Thank you
Sincerely
Kenneth
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Corey
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Hi Justine, what you said about the swinging-waves seems to be true in my case. Religion is one side of the polarity, while Relegeon is the truthly side of the polarity. As Ptaah explains in contact 32, religion cannot exist without Relegeon, and vice versa because they are intertwined, but the only way to the truth is through Relegeon. A FIGU-student on Earth should, as a transition, turn their religion into the RELEGEON from studying the FIGU books, and become the RELEGEÖSE. This is done by us Earthhumans finding the truth and becoming Relegeon where we were once forced to eat the stones of untruth = in our specific religion (religion = consciousness-based enslavement/meanwhile Relegeon = should spark a blaze of truth inside you).

note: Ptaah starts explaining RELEGEON at about line 332, but one should pick up reading back at line 326 or so:

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_32
Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural):
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27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen."

27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under."
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Corey
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Kenneth, hopefully reading contact 32, and other available FIGU-sources on "Relegeon" assist you to open up that new chapter of your studies. Salome.
Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural):
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27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen."

27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under."
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Kenneth
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Corey,

Appreciate the lead on religion versus relegeon. For some reason I missed this contact section. Apparently I wrongly assumed that relegeon was just another way to say religion in another language; describing the same thing; consequently not much attention was paid to it. That has changed; I now understand the relationship between Religion and Relegeon.

333. This means that the back-linking and the rejoining are in harmonic unison and as such must work together.
334. Religion can't exist without relegeon, just as relegeon can't exist without religion.
335. Both factors must intertwine and complement each other.

340. He must also think and act relegeously, so as to find the truth of the real religion again, and incorporate it into the acquired complex of the relegeous knowledge.

Ptaah

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"... My opinion is very clearly expressed by your words, that the cultic religions have been spoken of only on the negative sense, of which thus, these were adulterated beyond recognition through human created dogmas and other heresies, and through them the Creation was blasphemed in the most evil forms. To these blasphemies also belong all worships and sanctifications of persons and objects, and to the same extent also the naming and elevation of a human being to the conceptual form of a creator or an envoy from Creation, because a creator on the cultic-religious sense is never the Creation. A god, a creator or otherwise a man or another life form can never be the Creation itself ..."
Billy

"Note: Ptaah starts explaining RELEGEON at about line 332, but one should pick up reading back at line 326 or so:"

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_32


Sincerely
Kenneth
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Newinitiation
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Is it too explosive?
Is it dangerous to too many people with the inevitable consequences already forseen?
Is the consequence too much for disclosure?
Why?
Why haven't the plejaren through billy disclose it in an honest and direct manner but went about it i an indirect and oblique manner?
Is the tragically dumbed down and stupefied public nit ready to hear it from billy?
Why?
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Newinitiation
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Satanism and Luciferianism is classified as religion.
Most discussions revolves around the three main religions of the world by FIGU.
It would be nice to see a bulletin or contact report addressing these religion for a change as it hasn't been dealt with to do it justice.
The most powerful people on earth believe in this filthiest of all the filthy religions.
I think its about this time FIGU shed some more light on it.
Some of the most heinous crimes against humanity is committed nowadays in the name of Satan and Lucifer.
The proscribers to this religion create wars for profit and power.
They support terrorists with weapons, money and training.
They crash economies and bring untold suffering and hardship upon the world.
They get together in secret meetings and decide the fate of the world.
Catholic priests are tame by comparisons.
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Patm
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For those interested,
in FIGU-Sign of the Times No. 78 is an article written by Billy called:
What is the Islam, what is a male/female Islamite, and what is a male/female Islamist, and what is the difference between 'Islamic', 'Islamism' and between 'Islamist' and 'Islamistism'?

My translation (which may contain errors) of this article can be found at:
https://creationaltruth.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=zM8VU4mTbhU%3d&tabid=1438&portalid=0&mid=5759

Salome
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Tyler
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Nothing can hold up a flame to the misery caused by Christianity and Catholicism.

And I don't know who told you that Satanists are pulling the strings, but that has always been the Catholics and Christians.

Everything that you wrote, Newinitiation, is what the Catholic and Christian religions are doing.

You ought to walk in any city late at night sometime and look for the oldest Catholic churches you can find. With certainty, there is going to be desolation, poverty, addiction, misery, sorrow, hatred, and suffering in a huge radius around it.
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Tyler
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Satanists probably do cause trouble, too, but it is like denouncing the little individual pedophiles who flash children their wangs in neighbourhoods, meanwhile ignoring the slaughtering, torturing, burning, raping, and selling of children by pedophiles that goes on in secret underground rings.

I mean, it is not good what the little guy is doing either, but it just does not compare in the slightest.

And anyway, if the main 3 religions were gone and people recognised how putrid they really are and recognised the lie, then the Satanist cults would disappear too, because Satanism to my understanding is just an over-exaggeratedly negative response to the lie (promoted by Christianity and Catholicism) that the human sexual drive is shameful and sinful, and therefore represents the "negatively ausgeartet" side of the human sexual drive getting very badly out of control of the good human nature, meanwhile the overzealously pure missionaries who give out "purity rings" and preach absolute chastity represents the "positively ausgeartet" side of the human sexual drive getting very badly out of control of the good human nature.

So if the people were to recognise the lie for what it is, then they would have no need to believe that their own natural sexual drive is shameful. And so the seeming "joys" of Satanism would dry up fast too, because the equalised positive and negative forces that belong to the human sexual drive, when combined in a unity, is just the best thing - far better than either raunchy depravity or staunch chastity, which both just leave the human psyche completely yearning for truth and equalisedness.

So everything really does just start from Catholicism and Christianity - even the prevalence of "sin", which is their fault too.
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Newinitiation
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Hi Tyler yes you are right
What I noticed after all these years is that Satanic Luciferian the devil worshipping ritual child sacrificing pedophiles believing this nonsense religions have not been adequately dealt with by FIGU nor about these vile religions.
This is in no way a judgement on you in any way nor is it my intention to make you feel ignorant or less knowing than I but if you need to ask such a question as "And I don't know who told you that Satanists are pulling the strings" then I am afraid you haven't done your research .

The underground elite pedophile network and this Satanic Luciferian group is so vast, underestimated and under reported that it boggles the mind at how extensive their network is.

The average Joe blow on the street have no idea what the full extent of this problem extends to.
All they get is spurious news then and then about prime minister Heath, Jeffery Epstein, Saville etc but when you get to the core of the truth after having peeled the many layers of onion on this group it will shatter even what little faith you may have had of your fellow human beings.

And when you do get the inkling sensation that you know a little about it it is a thousand time worse than the worst that you could think of.

An introductory start if you can be bothered with finding a little about Satanism and Luciferianism is to google Ted Gunderson, Alice Bailey, Aleister Crowley, Fiona Barnett and so forth.
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Carolyn
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Satanism is a huge problem in the world today, particularly in the Western Christian world. I don't think it is very popular in the Muslim or eastern Asian world view. You don't hear much about it in India, China or even Russia. It seems to be a predominately American-English-European problem. So Tyler is right, that essentially Satanism has something to do with Christianity, and would not exist except as an opposition to the Catholic Christian church.

That being said, Satanism today covers any really gross and sadistic kind of behavior, and who knows whether the people who are doing these kinds of behaviors are real Satanists, or only very sick people following very sick impulses. I highly doubt whether the person who fires bullets into a crowd of people is a practising Satanist, or a member of any quasi-Satanic cult. Some of these people are totally deranged individuals, who are loners and have no connection to any organized "religious" group.

Then among the Satanists, there are most likely levels of affiliation, just like with other occult or religious groups. It's not possible to clump all of these deranged people into one group labeled "Satanists". There are other evil entities who are being worshipped. . . . Baphomet, Ashtoreth, Ishtar, Baal, Asmodeus, to name a few. To call them all "Satan" is a bit too simplistic. Then there's the whole other issue with the evil reptilian aliens, which FIGU doesn't address at all, but which many people find good reason to believe are manipulating life and events on the earth. I call this "Sauron's group". Whether all these evil entities are under the leadership of one spirit named "Satan" is unclear to me. "Satan" seems more to refer to a conglomerate of evil personalities, which is poorly defined and whose network is difficult to unravel.
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