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    Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1817 Registered: 07-2005 |
Obviously this may or may not be a religious tendency in human beings but the ad nauseous theme of the everyday human life since time immemorial seems to be duplicity and being two faced. In every conceivable social setting people just can't seem to help it for some reason in that as soon as their backs are turned other people just can't help backbiting about them behind their backs. She is this or he is that and so on. I mean on most occasions it isn't even done for the right intentions nor is the truth even relevant just as long as people gossip and satisfy their itch just to talk poo about someone who they may have some problem with. Its alway nice though when you see courage in action when some individuals do stand behind others in the face of peer pressure and defend whomever it may be whether in their absence or in their presence. This trait or tendency in being two faced and duplicity seem to be bourne out of cowardlibess and lack of courage. People just want to be thought well of by others so most cave into peer pressure and gossip along side whoever seem to be the dominant alpha male or female but the fact of the matter is people talk poo about everyone and everyone is also being talked about by every other. Just as in the contact notes where the plejaren did highlight this tendency of duplicity in the core group members this tendency definitely peace , love, harmony and freedom killing and its one of the most indidious teaits that the human being has. Matt lee | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 404 Registered: 05-2004 |
Matt Being two-faced is a positive trait. It is characteristic of the Gemini sign, and rather than being borne our of cowardliness, as you say, it is actually borne out of diversity, and allows one to see both sides of a point of view, which is why some people are in agreement with you when in your company and contradict themselves in the company of others. Such people are being artful and, therefore, creative. Many successful politicians are like this. They need to be in order to keep voters happy. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 973 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Matt, The duplicitous trait is not universal on the earth. Here in Japan, it is mostly the westerners who talk negatively about others. It's rare for me to hear a Japanese colleague talk in that way. Such Japanese do exist, of course, and others often just harbor their negative thoughts without expressing them. Take heart that the duplicity is not universal, i.e. not a trait of every human on our planet. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 425 Registered: 02-2010 |
Remember...Negative or positive thoughts whether they are expressed directly or indirectly, results, consequences or cause and effect are the same MsMichelle | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1818 Registered: 07-2005 |
Thanks Joseph for that humour To this day I have yet to meet someone who a politian made happy so I guess their two facedness does not work and it goes to show that its only self serving. Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1819 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Chris would you say that this trait is especially particular to the white race although all races do exhibit this trait in one form or another. I work with collegues from diverse cultures and race but this trait is quite prnounced with the white race for some reason. No this is not some white bashing exercise nor is it a flawed subjectivity on my part as everyday I have to deal with it. It just so happens that as soon as someone's back is turned, out of all the collegues from different ethnicity the white collegues will be the first to have a swipe at them but the funny thing is they will also do it to each other. It's definitely out of the question in terms of talking to them about anything personal because the whole world will know about it the next day. I get along especially well with collegues from Island nations. Its just a generalisation and must be dealt with case by case and individual by individual but all in all their parents do a better job of guiding them towards a straight and narrow path where as with my white collegues they have this snake in the grass type characteristic towards how they treat and deal with others and wouldn't hesitate to stab anyone in the back if it serves their interest. As Ptaah and Billy mentioned the white race have maligned so badly out of all the races and you just have to look at our recent history to see that there isn't a shadow of doubt which race have killed the most people. The trend now is reverse racism against the whites so all that bad will has niw turned with the tide. In regards to the characteristics of the Japanese I did experience that when one on one they are like angels but get them in a group and you do get a slagging fest but all in all the Japanese are better out of all the Asians than say the Chinese or Koreans in this regard Matt lee | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 974 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Matt, Personally, I think that more than a purely racial matter, it relates to the positive or developing energies moving away from the white races to other previously less significant countries and areas that are now developing and experiencing growth. This results in an increase in the feelings of problems for those losing those previously positive, powerful and influential energies. This happens on an individual level too in any race: as a person loses their energies before dying they tend to become more cantankerous and fight out, struggling for life. Many of us have witnessed this in older folks at the end of their life. Life becomes a struggle to hang on to the energy one had that is ebbing away. To me, the duplicity represents one negative aspect of this natural attempt to hold on to life or the previous good times rather than accept the new future arriving. IMO this is what we are seeing as the global energies shift. This may relate to the shift from the Aryan cycle to the new cycle that I think Billy may also have mentioned somewhere. This shift may affect the way religions are expressed and which ones are in the ascendant. For example, there has been a definite move away from the western Christian religions to those of other areas such as ethnic, shamanistic, Taoist, Buddhist, and Islamic religions. These are the ones now with growing power and influence. On the religious level, I think that the demise of Christianity is more generally realized and accepted than the general demise of power and influence of the white peoples. As you say, it's there in all peoples, but I think it is more evident in those struggling to hold onto a power that is ebbing away, and because the holding on to life is a universal and correct approach the subjects losing power and influence usually do not recognize or accept it is happening. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 405 Registered: 05-2004 |
Matt, As you well know, all races are the same: positive and negative characteristics exist within all of us. We all have the potential to be cruel, unkind, sly, untrustworthy, two-faced, etc, whether we are Asians, Africans or Europeans. I wouldn't say that white people are more prone to backstabbing than other races as though there is something fundamentally flawed about our biological makeup. I think the reason white people are like this more than other races is because of our placement on the world stage, upon which we have been front and centre for at least 2000 years, thanks to the Romans and Christianity. The position we have held over other races has been one of superiority and authority. That we have been the most productive and progressive race during these times has been our greatest advantage. My point being, we have become extremely arrogant and conceited. It is these characteristics that cause us to be two-faced. It is the attitude of the ruling empire towards the enslaved races. When we become full of ourselves we believe ourselves to be better than others, so we talk down at them, back at them, to their faces, behind their backs. Other races, such as the Asians and the Africans, may appear to be humbler and unassuming, but were they to become more powerful they would resort to the same conduct. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 812 Registered: 04-2013 |
Cpl, Joseph, You bring up some very good points: …”Life becomes a struggle to hang on to the energy one had that is ebbing away.” …“This may relate to the shift from the Aryan cycle to the new cycle” …”the demise of Christianity is more generally realized and accepted than the general demise of power and influence of the white peoples… “We all have the potential to be cruel, unkind, sly, untrustworthy, two-faced, etc, whether we are Asians, Africans or Europeans.” …”That we have been the most productive and progressive race during these times has been our greatest advantage.” ------------------------------------ Within the last several generations it would appear that the White races in various countries were the most dominate, not only in creating world wars but also in all kinds of inventions that moved humans forward, often in a very painful manner. World Wars 1; 2 & 3 were for the most part fought amongst ruling white governments; Japan being the exception. This resulted with advancements in technology. Earlier, for example, the various tribes in Africa (Black race) were constituently at war with one another; the same with the (Red race) American Indians. The Chinese and Japanese (Yellow race) had constant battles amongst each other. Various countries in Asia (Brown race) always at war with one another; religion also played a large part in this, where the Crusades come to mind, (Eastern Mediterranean aimed at recovering the so called Holy Land from Islamic rule). I’m not saying that other cultures and races didn’t have inventions etc.; many of them had great inventions… The Spanish ruled the seas for a period of time as well as some other countries in the past. The main point being; when reading through the various Contact Reports, technological advancement seems to be very important. Unless I’m missing something, the White race seems to have advanced more in the technology arena? … Now, in today’s world, we humans have the advantage of various other races coming together with some amazing inventions, contributions and technological advancements for the development and evolution of all races. I guess the question remains; if the White race was not on planet Earth, would Earthlings be just as advanced in technology? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2778 Registered: 12-1999 |
Religion/Relegeon, lets please get back on topic. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 385 Registered: 10-2016 |
Before 1975 (BEAM's mission-inception) we were all prisoners of the Bafath, who had complete control of this planet. We were also all prisoners of religion, who for two millennia had complete control over us. We were all prisoners of our self-inflicted punishment, because we did not know wisdom, true discernment (intellect), love, and we were largely inequitable and dishonourable, and our dishonour was reflected in our actions, which were largely not the actions of one who follows the laws and recommendations of the Creation. This all changed in the decades that followed 1975, a real turning point in this planet to be able to study, and know the laws and recommendations of the Creation, which presently are only taught by (and to) small groups of people. Only the 7th prophet could set it all down in writing for all times (for old times sake) for the Earth and her people. Now we get to wear the "old hats" of equitableness, honour, fairness, knowledge, love, the essence of wisdom, harmony, like they haven't been on our "head" (consciousness & mental-block) for some time, but they sure feel good wearing them again. Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural): ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen." 27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under." | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 815 Registered: 04-2013 |
Corey, Your statement, “Before 1975 (BEAM's mission-inception) we were all prisoners of the Bafath, who had complete control of this planet. We were also all prisoners of religion.” Excellent viewpoints; hadn’t actually contemplated it that way; nonetheless, you’re correct. If it wasn’t for Billy and our Plejaren colleagues, many of us may yet be unwitting prisoners. Kenneth | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 747 Registered: 04-2011 |
Re. Prisoners of the Bafath Very true, indeed. Thank you Corey/Kenneth. Bill | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 432 Registered: 02-2010 |
After re-reading CC 691...it appears, BEAM is "excepting" of the religious delusional population, as long as they are completely honest about seeking Peace, Love, Freedom, etc. If true, in my present situation(s), I have family, friends, etc (completely religious)who proclaim their devolution to Peace, Love, etc and I honestly trust their intentions. Comments? MsMichelle | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 433 Registered: 02-2010 |
I meant "accepting"....sorry MsMichelle | ||
Tyler Member Post Number: 199 Registered: 03-2017 |
I agree and think it is better to try and find ways to talk about Creation without trying to destroy peoples' beliefs also. I think it is really dumb to try and interject in religious practices or whatever with the truth, and it turns it into an annoyance. In my opinion, if we are living the spiritual teaching correctly, then what counts more than telling people why their religion is wrong ... is just radiating the peace that stems from connecting more consciously to the truth, and making the day into a joy through the increased vitality and inner joy that we have thanks to the help from the Plejaren, which works itself out in us being more like a beacon of warmth and just a little bit of light and love, instead of being a grumpy Grinch who tries to spoil everyone's porridge. | ||
Alice_7 Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 08-2017 |
Well said Tyler, this is exactly my understanding and experience  After making many mistakes of trying to correct others, I finally realised that there is no point and much more fun to keep silent and bask in the joy that is being a student of the Spiritual Teaching | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 753 Registered: 04-2011 |
I agree with both of you – Michelle and Tyler. As Tyler said there is no need to proselytize. And Billy’s remarks may well be conceived as an encouragement to live in harmony with our religious neighbours - without speaking about religion at all. Most religions do have worthy ethical rules – that is, if we follow them/live according to them per se (without religious zeal /devotion to creator gods/goddesses) There is nothing wrong with “loving your neighbour as you love yourself” and being compassionate. But if we only try to obey these rules for “a god above us”, we do not have the right view of evolution. We try to please, without a will to make the universe grow in wisdom. It would make us foster a consciousness that stores our imperfections as “sins”, with a sense of guilt: We would fail to see that mistakes are stepping stones to wisdom.*) But this is a truth that our religious fellow humans have to discover themselves. For us - if we truly live in loving oneness with all mankind and understand that each moment in our life is a valuable opportunity to grow we come to see the true reason why religions exist: Religions are a necessary hurdle that give mankind an opportunity to build up a consciousness of “neutral-positive thinking”: This is to say - important is not the “others” but our own clear thinking. If we maintain it, no matter what - then, in time, our consciousness will change our environment, too. Salome, Bill *) The Plejaren know quite well how religions effect mankind - see e.g. CR133 from :76 on) http://www.futureofmankind.info/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_133 Billy, always the Socrates like straight speaker, - tells us that it is the religious believers among themselves that cause the danger of strife and wars: -CR 692 (Point 9 of Billy’s Foresights) 9. As the god believers have fought, hated and opposed each other in ages past, so they will do again in the coming times, and not just only the faithful of various religions, but also of the sects, in this way faith quarrels and religious terrorism and malicious dispute, hatred as well as wars, massacres and expulsions, suffering, hardship and misery will again and again flare up and come over humanity. And this will happen and repeat for as long as religions and their resulting sects exist and also form new ones. 9. Wie seit alters her werden sich auch in den kommenden Zeiten die Gottgläubigen gegenseitig bekämpfen, hassen und verfeinden, und zwar nicht nur die Gläubigen diverser Religionen, sondern auch der Sekten, wodurch auch in dieser Weise immer wieder Glaubensstreit und Glaubensterrorismus aufflammen und bösartiger Unfrieden, Hass sowie Kriege, Massaker und Vertreibungen, Leid, Not und Elend über die Menschheit kommen werden. Und das wird so lange geschehen und sich so lange wiederholen, wie Religionen und aus diesen resultierende Sekten bestehen und sich auch neue bilden. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 816 Registered: 04-2013 |
Well, regarding “Religion/Relegeon as discussed in FIGU material”, it’s been recommended to avoid the religious church scene if at all possible due to the negative vibrations received and the various negative “Mental Fluidalenergies or Fluidalforces”. My immediate family knows that I’m into spirituality and the spiritual teaching, but they do not understand why? They cannot comprehend that god was actually a human beings. These relatives are too deeply rooted into non-denominational religions go get involved in a debate; at least not yet. For years I’ve been able to avoid their church get together events for the various holidays, etc. However, this year my daughter and wife pleaded with me to attend the Christmas church event as my granddaughter is in a Christmas play. I would cause more damage in many areas if I refused. Consequently I must dawn my fluidal-force-field and attend this event. As many of you have been saying about various religious individuals, as well as Billy, these are good well-meaning compassionate folks that are displaying love and harmony to the best of their ability. So, when I walk through the shadow of… and the valley of … I will still have my knowledge, wisdom and truthful understanding between religion and the Spiritual Teaching. Enjoy your families and friends during this season; …by me setting an example of love, compassion and understanding may be the best Teaching for them in search for the Truth? Sincerely Salome Kenneth | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 494 Registered: 04-2015 |
In 800 years or less will we still celebrate Christmas when there are no religions around? | ||
Tyler Member Post Number: 200 Registered: 03-2017 |
I would think it is better to just focus on "not getting into the same waters" as the believers, ie. remember to think of Creation and not get drawn into the same attitude of worship as the others if they start to sing worship-ful music or whatever. Your probably not likely to find anybody who is looking for the real truth inside of a church, especially since it is just a play that's going on that night, but I think that just being there and not speaking up to try and change anyone's opinion, and just enjoying the night without making it all about your spirituality or the spiritual teaching would be a notch on the belt for peace. | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 434 Registered: 02-2010 |
Great comments everyone and I wanted to add, at some point when my parents die, the funeral service will take place in a church..... keeping in mind, my parents are not part of any religious denomination at all however, we come from a extremely religious background ( it's a cultural thing).... I attended a funeral service when I was about 5 years old and let me tell you the experience was traumatic and it affected me even today..... if any of you have ever been to a black Church funeral, the experience is Traumatic..... I have avoided going into any church during any Funeral Service; what I usually do is pay my respects during a private viewing at the funeral home or I just do not go at all.... MsMichelle | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 412 Registered: 05-2004 |
I love churches and cathedrals. They're such beautiful buildings, and when i walk into one I'm always filled with a sense of peace (and history). But that's all I really like about Christianity. As someone with a Roman Catholic background, I feel more akin to the Church of England than I do to Catholicism. The first and only time I ever walked into a Catholic church I felt the devil bite my arse: the religious atmosphere was so much heavier. I didn't like it at all. But I love Christmas and I don't think there is anything wrong in celebrating it. It doesn't have to be about religion. It isn't for me. And let's not forget that it has pagan origins in pre-Christian festivals. For me, Christmas is about my childhood and that's what I celebrate when I celebrate Christmas. I celebrate the child I was and I try to reconnect with that child through the memories I have and through the sense of creativity I enjoyed from Christmases long past. Forget about the spiritual conflict you have with those around you and enjoy watching your granddaughter in the play. Living in accord with the spiritual teaching isn't about avoiding those with whom we disagree and refusing to participate in their customs. It is about coexisting, and that's a good Christmas message to give. |
