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    Kenneth Member Post Number: 1145 Registered: 04-2013 |
According to research, the Chinese and Thai represent the two main styles of Buddhism. Mahayana Buddhism are predominated in China, Japan, Korea and Tibet. Mongolia teaches that anyone can achieve enlightenment and that several people have. What is interesting about the Mongolian teaching, “anyone can achieve enlightenment”. Just a thought, could this philosophy have come from the Bardan extraterrestrials who according to Contact Report 428 intermingled with and had sexual relations with the Mongolian people? photos people       http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_428 Much of this information has been previously mentioned on the forum. The Tunguska event was a large explosion that occurred near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River in Yeniseysk Governorate (now Krasnoyarsk Krai), Russia, on the morning of 30 June 1908. This was not an asteroid impact as many scientists suggest.  “The People's Union of Bardan originate from the Bardan home worlds of Bardan 1, 2 and 3 in the Coma Galaxy and are recently new members of the Plejaren Federation. One of their ships self-destructed in Russia, Earth on 30th June 1908 which came to later be known as the Tunguska event.”   “Ptaah: The great space ship which at that time suffered a breakdown and was destroyed, out of which the so-called Tunguska event resulted, belonged to a people who live in a distant galaxy in your space-time configuration. Christianity, however, which was brought to their home worlds by some of their space travellers and which quickly spread out, led to grave religious wars. When then, finally, order could again be created, the space travellers were forbidden to make any further penetrations into the terrestrial space...” http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Bardan "...the entire remaining crew of 4,387 humans"..., Bardan extraterrestrials died in the atomic explosion. This also means that their spirit-forms have or will re-incarnate on Earth... In the Krasnoyarsk Krai region in Russia? Kenneth | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2340 Registered: 07-2005 |
Interesting point Kenneth. 112 years compared to thousands of years Buddism had to spread its philosophies about enlightenment suggests the later. If the Bardans were more interested in jiggy jiggy rather than teaching these locals who they had sex with about their earth Christian religion contaminated ET philosophies I would think that the Mongols should've been preoccupied with our saviour the lord Jesus Christ our heavenly father and singing 'this is the day, this is the day that the lord heth made, we will rejoice we will rejoice and be glad in it and be glad in it for this is the day that the lord hath made we will rejoice and be glad in it, this is the day this is day that looooooooooord hath made' rather than being preoccupied with'enlightenment'. Just a thought. Matt lee | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1367 Registered: 04-2011 |
Enlightenment ? You could be right, Kenneth Then again there is one point that - IMO - does not match with 'enlightened' people: What I find hard to believe is that no help was given to them: These 4,387 (!) space travelers came to our SOL not because of "religion" or "jiggy-ness" but because of "faulty co-ordinate settings" and subsequent "technical failure". IOW - their going down on our planet was not planned or wanted. And, as there is no human being in this universe that is fault-free, I find it hard to believe that they were not helped by their own people and that their government rejected any help by the PLejaren. A strange decision that does not seem very 'enlightened' to me ... | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3131 Registered: 12-1999 |
Perhaps their (Barden) people realized the great vulnerability they had to the earth religions in the past and chose to avoid any temptation, which could possibly again result in a large catastrophe which unfortunately led to the demise of the entire crew and their stranded ship... One thing Im not clear on, did they already have a technical failure which caused them to land on earth, or did they suffer a mechanical failure in their attempt to leave earth after the sickness many of the crew experienced during their stay?.... | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1206 Registered: 08-2010 |
Great question Scott. I remember that the crew had been infected with something. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3132 Registered: 12-1999 |
FIGU Bulletin 59....I just answered my own question. ....Around 1000 years after this decree a great space ship of these people erred into the SOL system as a result of faulty co-ordinates and became stranded on the Earth by a still emerging grave breakdown from which it could no longer extricate itself. ...So, for several months, the space ship lay with grave technical damage hidden in the Tunguska region whereby a larger number of space travelers mixed, unrecognized, among the Earth humans, far from the hiding place, and sexually engaged with them which resulted in many of them becoming sick with syphilis and, with the return to their space ship, also infecting many others with it. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3133 Registered: 12-1999 |
It is mentioned that eventually the Barden were able to bring peace back into their home worlds from the damaging effects of religion....It would be interesting to know how they achieved this, perhaps we could learn something... | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1368 Registered: 04-2011 |
Well, yes Scott, we do not know the details. My judgement was based on "erroneous co-ordinates cum engine failure" but I could be wrong. As for what Matt described as "jiggy": It may have been their very desperate mind set, knowing they were stranded on a "false belief ridden" planet from which, there was no escape. The events of their religious past, however, could explain that they may have tried to teach the Earth people (Mongols) they met, their own religion. But even if they did, the Mongolian enlightenment belief that Kenneth refers to, must it not have been introduced to the Mongols much earlier than June 30, 1908? It simply makes me sad when I see the immense loss of lives: What for? Was it not the fear of Christian religion that made the Barden government reject any help? And there is no indication that this fear was justified in 1908. But these are my own judgments - they may be wrong due to not knowing all the details. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2341 Registered: 07-2005 |
We can only speculate Bill but if logic dictates then clearly the stranded Bardens broke the rules of non engagement with the earthlings even after all the tumultuous hell of a religious war that they've been through made all the more worse by the fact that they engaged in sexual intercourse with a non developed humanoid species from another world where religion, a source of their former misery, had been brought from and then got infected with a terrible disease. I guess they are only human but their fallibility and error of judgement I think sealed their fate just like the fallible subleaders Jehova had banished who also broke the rules by having sex with evas and adam. This may be the reason why any such codex breakers aren't proffered any assistance or help and are left to basically sort their own problems out on their own even unto death. I can only speculate once again but the question of why they've committed collective suicide was lingering in my mind unresolved for some time because clearly they were highly developed and their world order would most likely have been based on the Creative natural laws which forbid any higher life forms to commit suicide as its against the Creational law. They could've waited it out until they found a cure or at least do the right thing and die naturally from the virus. Could they have been worried that if they were to all die from syphilis their highly developed technologies and beamship could fall in to the primitive earthling's hands thereby creating unbelievable disaster for earth? Did it take whatever it took to completely decimate and annihilate their ship because I am asking myself why they had to use such a stupendous yield which according to my estimates may have numbered in the hundreds of megatons of nuclear force when simply they could've done it with far less? Obviously its no easy decision to kill yourself and they've most probably had no other choice under the circumstances otherwise they would've taken the decision most favourable for their continued survival by choosing to live if this option was available to them and if they did we may never have found out nor would we have had the Tunguska incident. Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2342 Registered: 07-2005 |
It is mentioned that eventually the Barden were able to bring peace back into their home worlds from the damaging effects of religion....It would be interesting to know how they achieved this, perhaps we could learn something... Scott don't quote me on this but according to my recollection the Bardans had outside help or intervention from outside powers whatever that may mean. Matt lee | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1272 Registered: 08-2004 |
As I remember, and it makes sense, after the immense destruction in their section of the universe, the Barden strictly outlawed Christianity (and perhaps all religions?) and equally legally prohibited any visits to this dangerously sick planet. Put yourself in the shoes of those on the home world, which is perhaps impossible for most to do because we do not know the utter destruction and degradation that Christianity brought to them. I will present a modest attempt: Once the group landed here by mistake the home world could do nothing. Doing anything would scrap the interplanetary laws they had gone to such pains to enforce and which helped establish peace. Any contact here would reopen those incalculably destructive wounds and put their entire interplanetary system at risk again. The lives of countless millions would potentially again be at risk. (BTW, Christianity was just as addictive in 1908 as it was previously, as it is still today in 2020.) They obviously, (and correctly?) found Christianity to be a catastrophically destructive mental disease or derangement already responsible for the interplanetary destruction their section of the universe had endured; and it is obviously too easy for their people to fall victim to this type of mental derangement. Their history is their proof. Christianity and Earth is obviously a problem many orders of magnitude greater for them than it is for us. Mental and psychological intercourse with this planet virtually destroyed them and other civilizations taking untold millions of lives. It may be a trite comparison, but I see it rather like our planet's secret agents on foreign territory; if the the plan goes awry you are on your own. It's the only safe way to play it. Christianity wrecked an interplanetary civilization. Could they even conceive of a bigger danger or evil? It must be avoided at all costs! There is no possible way a visit to this hellhole could be contemplated. Not only that, depending on the sequence of events, by the time the home world knew their people were stranded here, they may already have had extensive sexual and social intercourse with Earth people, again! Obviously, this was an absolute no no. Another interplanetary war could not possibly be risked. Such would be an utter outrage against all humanity in the universe. Unfortunately, sometimes disastrous accidents just happen. It was not the first and will not be the last to take thousands of lives. Such tragic accidents, however, are easier to live with than the desecration of an interplanetary civilization together with millions of lives lost. Chris Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1273 Registered: 08-2004 |
Matt: they arrived here by accident, not plan; they could not allow their ship (or themselves) to be discovered and recognised for what they were, and it was obviously a huge ship that needed destroying without leaving any trace of technological evidence. Chris Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 794 Registered: 07-2006 |
Regarding the Bardan and the Tunguska Event also see: Asket's Explanation at: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Asket%27s_Explanations_-_Part_1 Lines 62 - 95 ---------- Also Questions to Billy July 23, 2010 QUESTION: Hi Billy thank you for your tremendous work and extend this gratitude to the whole group. In recent weeks I have been thinking about the socalled storage banks and how they support(back up) human evolution. If I'm not wrong there exist universal, galactic and planetary storage banks where all kind of personal and colective knowledge is saved. Quite often has occurred and will continue to occur that space travelers have accidents with their space ships and from that moment on they shall reincarnate in a different planet or civilization. It comes to my mind the case of the bardans, Tunguska, 1917. My question is, will those stranded space travelers like the bardans in Tunguska feel like strange, disoriented, out of place, not integrated in their new planet's first encarnation because their "reference system" about civilization's habits and rules is completely different ? (Something similar had to happen to the old lyrans and wegans, but those lyrans and wegans have had so many reincarnations on Earth that they do not feel strange on Earth, but familiar and even consider themselves an earth human in all aspects. Again, the question: When incarnating for the first time on a different planet, do human beings feel "out of place" because they have no experiences in that planet (they have not stored a single experience, thought, feeling in their "new" planetary storage banks)? ANSWER: No. If a rather highly-evolved human being dies on another planet, his next consciousness-block is adjusted to the level on that planet. In the case of the Bardans or their spirit forms respectively, they will incarnate in the highest-possible cultural area on the planet. The consciousness-block is always adjusted the the evolutionary level of a population on a planet. A person could not exist if the gap/difference is too large. ----------- Questions to Billy July 26, 2009 QUESTION: Well, I have another question about all those extraterrestrials who passed away while blowing themselves up over Tunguska 1908. Did their spirit forms came back to be Earth human personalities? ANSWER: Yes, they have to incarnate on Earth. Hope this helps PatM | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1145 Registered: 04-2013 |
We are missing a lot of the puzzling pieces to this 112-year-old Tunguska event. We know that the Bardan cosmonauts/astronaut’s erred into the SOL system because of faulty coordinates and became stranded on the Earth. However, we do not know if the faulty coordinates were technical/mechanical or human input error. The CR’s do say that these space travelers became stranded on the Earth by a still emerging grave breakdown; was this breakdown associated with the human consciousness/cognizance or technical/mechanical or maybe both? The Plejaren have mentioned in the past that there were issues with some of their spaceships in Earth’s atmosphere, as the environment caused corrosion and or breakdown of some of their ships components, which had to be rectified. Could this have been a problem with the Bardan space travelers as well? The Bardan home-world made the decision not to help their comrades, does that indicate a society of a blend of autocracies and oligarchies authority, (small group of people having control or one person with absolute power)? The other issue is that the CR’s, imply that SOME of the interstellar explorers not only intermingled with Earthlings, but also had sexual relations with Earthly beings in addition to everything else. It is surmised that not all 4,387 shipmates had relations with Earthlings, and not all shipmates had contracted a chronic bacterial disease (syphilis). Nonetheless, the innocent and well-intended among the travelers had to also die, who could have been saved by the Plejaren. Apparently, the Barden space travelers could not communicate with their counterparts or their home-world, the Plejaren did the communication for them, but still, the P’s were instructed to stand down. It almost seems that the Bardan people are more technically advanced than spiritually. My primary point was that the Bardan people obviously developed a higher evolution and advancement in technology, intelligence, and scientific knowledge and more than likely a certain level of Creational understanding in spirituality. Could some of this information have been passed onto the Mongolian people? It is obvious that spiritual and Creational enlightenment did not start with the Mongolian populace, but they may have been helped?  Kenneth | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1145 Registered: 04-2013 |
Matt Lee brings up a valid point, “…their highly developed technologies and beamship could fall into the primitive earthling's hands thereby creating unbelievable disaster for earth?” That is a compelling and a logical point, nonetheless, the Bardan human space travelers that were not responsible for the situation, did not intermingle with the Mongolian people and did not contract the chronic bacterial disease, what would be wrong with them living out the rest of their lives on planet Earth avoiding all religions? After all, this is exactly what Gilgamesh did according to the Plejaren. Come to think of it, if some of the Bardan's did stay on Earth, the Plejaren would not make that known for obvious reasons. It is my understanding that Gilgamesh and 52 crew-members crashed in the Himalayas approximately 20,000 years ago. Gilgamesh a (Gestaltwandler, Morphogenese) survived with two other crew-members, a man by the name of Atlan and a woman named Atlanta. Gilgamesh has adapted his shape to that of the earthly human being and has morphogenetically transformed and found a new home in this world, which he no longer wants to leave. His life span is now approximately 50,000 years. Have no idea of the lifespan of the Bardan race, but one would think that it would be longer than 80-100 years. To my knowledge the Bardan humans are not of the genetically-manipulated humans, as Earthlings are. Gilgamesh was from the Messier 94 spiral galaxy in the constellation of Canes Venatici, about 16 million light years from Earth.  Kenneth | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1145 Registered: 04-2013 |
Chris, Your post number 1272 was exceptionally good, excellent point of view. - - - - - - - - - - - - Patm, Your post 794 puts everything into prospective, knowing or being refreshed by the facts is paramount. Thank you all for the clarifications.  Salome Kenneth | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2343 Registered: 07-2005 |
Matt: they arrived here by accident, not plan; they could not allow their ship (or themselves) to be discovered and recognised for what they were, and it was obviously a huge ship that needed destroying without leaving any trace of technological evidence. How are you going Chris I hope all is well with you and your family back in Japan. I am amazed at how thorough they were in their considerateness that even with a stupendous nuclear yield and a blast radius stretching over 1000 kms or more that they managed to find the most remote of places to set off their nuclear bomb without killing a single earth human being. Matt lee | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1369 Registered: 04-2011 |
I still find it cruel and inhuman to abandon your fellow-citizens to a world of violence. As for the condemned space travelers' sexual contacts: There is a limit to what a human being can take. Knowing their fate some of these lost and condemned space travelers may have been shell-shocked, they may have lost their senses. Only those that can imagine their sense of being condemned to their fate may judge. Yes, without a doubt, one can understand how much the Bardans' abhorred terrestrial religions. But to summarily condemn their fellow men to death without any religious or criminal intent on their part - this is - IMO - judging without self-reflection, without seeing the "other as a part of one's own" - in short: without respect for the dignity of human life. It is my reading of the events that, had the Bardons allowed the Plejaren to save their fellow citizens - no sex, no syphilis and no religious aberrations would have taken place or done any harm to their home planet. Maybe I am the odd man out in this discussion. Maybe what I say is only obvious to me, because I uphold a compassionate mind and live with the thought that life in this universe is a "we all"? Maybe it is not so obvious for humans that live with the sole ideal of self-perfection..? What am I hinting at? Well, if we see Billy's many lives - he is like a man that willingly interrupted his self- perfection to save other humans. He may never say so. But he is what Buddhists would call a "bodhisattwa" - a person who delays his own development to relieve the suffering of his fellow-men. And - this is my impression, anyway - I think his mission not to us but in relation to the Plejaren - is, to show them that only a human who lives with this empathy for his fellow man, can achieve the oneness with all there is in this universe - that is the mindset which allows them to progress on their further spiritual path to a "we" personality. That in the end, the "self" in 'self'-perfection is a universal "self". Salome, Bill | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2344 Registered: 07-2005 |
That is a compelling and a logical point, nonetheless, the Bardan human space travelers that were not responsible for the situation, did not intermingle with the Mongolian people and did not contract the chronic bacterial disease, what would be wrong with them living out the rest of their lives on planet Earth avoiding all religions? After all, this is exactly what Gilgamesh did according to the Plejaren. Its actually a good point you raised Kenneth because here lies the dilemma of the clash of civilisation. More string of thoughts are inevitably elicited from that as due to our 'ignorance' we are not able to as yet know with certainty as to why an extra intersteller foreign culture made the kind of decisions that they did. So pointing to the problems that we face here on earth where the never ending festering of religiously induced divisions and various social problems rears its ugly head over and over again you essentially have ignorance as the primary source of misunderstandings even with our own kind let alone other cultures so can you imagine how us primitive and ignorant earthlings would deal with an extraterrestrial civilisations that have infinitely wider gap of differences. It'll be like shoot first and ask questions later. In our FIGU circles where saner heads prevail we shoot questions first and try to answer later so without being too side tracked I think that the point you raised has incidently highlighted once again the usual problems facing us earthlings in general in that as long as we make the effort to try to understand others and overcome ignorance we can maintain and bring out the best from everyone but if not then we inevitable see all the ugliness that is rampant throughout the world today. My guess to your query would be that all is for one and one is for all, meaning that just like in the military where one soldier's mistake gets all of his other comrades from his unit doing push ups as punishment, maybe to an ET's point of view everyone from that unit is one body and one mind therefore you can't have the heart saying to other organs "gee fellas thanks for all your services but its time for me to pump somewhere else hearing this the sexual organ exclaims ya know I don't like where I am attached to any more as I am contantly reminded of being the lesser of the man so I've decided on a detach and a retach see ya" Matt lee | ||
Aristea Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 06-2019 |
Please nobody laugh at me for saying the following! Over the years I have kept having some kind of "recall" event in my mind, where I was on a planet somewhere. . . .a planet which was disease-free. I seem to have had something to do with administration on that planet. At some point a large ship approached this planet in distress. They had some kind of plague on board. My people didn't want to let them land and there was great debate about whether to let them onto the planet or not. The voices for letting them land eventually won out and they were permitted to land. It was some kind of terrible sickness and I don't remember how the scenario worked itself out. I just remember the decision point scenario of looking out at that huge ship and deciding for or against them. Is there anything like this scenario in any of Billy's contact reports. I'd be very interested. I still seem to be frozen in time somewhere working on that decision. . . . and would be pleased if anybody could point to the time and the place this may have happened. Ever Upward. . . . Leave not for tomorrow what you can accomplish today! | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1372 Registered: 04-2011 |
Add-on: What I wrote is not to critical of the Plejaren mission. Their efforts to tell us about the Corona Virus, their many centuries of research and bringing the truth back to humanity - it is an immense effort on their part for which I am heartfelt grateful. It is the Bardons' attitude that I find hard to accept. But again - I may not know all the details to make the right judgement. Salome, Bill http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/15576.html#POST81269 (Deference for all human beings – Balance between self-development and compassion) http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/15104.html#POST80095 (May compassion assist the evolution of a prison planet?) | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2345 Registered: 07-2005 |
86. Any advance, and any further visit to the Earth was forbidden, and a decree was even issued that, if, unexpectedly, a ship should stray onto Earth, and no further possibilities of progress could be found, the entire crew, together with their ship, must totally eliminate itself. 86. Jeglicher Vorstoss und jeglicher weitere Besuch der Erde wurden verboten, und es wurde gar die Bestimmung erlassen, dass wenn sich einmal unverhofft ein Schiff auf die Erde verirren sollte, und keine Fortkommensmöglichkeit mehr finden sollte, sich die ganze Besatzung mit dem Schiff zusammen total zu eliminieren habe. Thanks for the find Pat. So there was a decree and iron fisted rule. Matt lee | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1274 Registered: 08-2004 |
Bill, the one question I have always had with respect to your "Where is the compassion?" in this matter is, "Where is the compassion for the untold millions who did die, and more importantly the untold millions that may well die again if a complex rescue operation is attempted, and even succeeds? Where is the compassion for everyone else involved who by far outnumber those who strayed into a fatal situation?" Laws are usually made based on compassion, and I am sure the Barden thoughts were compassionate towards human life and humanity when they made their law. Laws, however, created by imperfect humans, always have unintended consequences which often seem inhumane, especially to minorities. I am personally a recipient on that score. It happens all the time. The Plejaren have often wished they could set aside their intervention laws, but rescinding basic laws at the very core of one's civilization is an extremely risky venture, the cost of which could, and very likely would be disastrous. I am sure the Barden decided in compassion that the risk of immense loss of human life and civilization meant they could not help. While we should follow the heart and have compassion there must equally be wisdom to know how to best employ it. There is much heart-on-the-sleeve talk of compassion that misses the greater inhumanity of acting supposedly in compassion when the action merely creates, often unrecognised greater harm. Billy has mentioned how the "compassionate" aid given to some countries actually does not help at all but creates great evil. It takes wisdom born of understanding to act in true compassion, and we simply do not understand enough of the Barden situation to judge there was a lack of compassion. Such a judgement and change in the law could have created unimaginable destruction and loss of life. Maybe not, but the risk was there and the downside of the risk -- millions of lost lives and destroyed civilizations again -- was obviously deemed way to high a human price to pay. I am sure they felt enormous compassion, for those who had to die and those who might if intervention went ahead. Compassion on an individual level is a very different matter. Not much is required there because it merely entails an assessment of cost to oneself in helping the other/s and that cost is immediately recognized and assessable. Replace self with interplanetary populations and civilizations and we soon see we are far too small personally to pronounce judgement. In all likelihood the legal decision was an agreed democratic vote of all the planets involved. Compassion is not merely for the 4,000 plus on Earth but also for the countless millions and other civilizations impacted. It might have taken them months to convene an interplanetary conference to gain agreement to rewrite their laws -- and how -- even if they could gain agreement and wanted to risk everything and come to the rescue. Again, it is ignorance, this time our ignorance of the real issues involved that is the problem -- and as Buddha said ignorance is the greatest of all evils. It is this that prevents us fully understanding the Barden predicament and it is therefore presumptuous of us to assume a lack of compassion on their part. Risking ones personal life on a compassionate act is one thing, but risking the lives of millions of others including other civilizations is quite another. No one person should have the right to make that decision for everyone. Chris Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either. |
