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Cpl
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Post Number: 1275
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, June 27, 2020 - 09:39 pm: | 
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Going well here, Matt, despite the immense loss of time due to online lessons and online work checking. Thank you. How are things in your partial Covid working life?
The Bardons may well have landed in that remote region at the outset, assuming they had that degree of control. Being such a huge craft it would have to be in a remote area to avoid detection. If they had no control over the landing site then it was an enormous stroke of "luck" (I know some will posit bad luck). We do lack so many details. Maybe, for example, they strayed near our solar system but not in it, yet the Earth was the only habitable place in the region that they could land on to attempt repairs. We did have some kind of civilization that they might have seen as capable of surreptitiously supplying parts to help them with repairs and necessary nutritional needs. Or maybe they just needed to land somewhere for a while for some reason. In which case they could have chosen the area specifically because it was extremely remote yet connected to civilization. Imagine what would have resulted if it had landed in Europe, for example. The history of our planet would be completely different.
Chris
Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Cpl
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Post Number: 1276
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, June 27, 2020 - 10:01 pm: |
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Thank you, Kenneth, for reminding me to say "Thank you to all who present so much here that I appreciate." I am usually so busy that I just write and go away, but please know that there are a great many postings here that I greatly appreciate. The fact that I reply should make that self evident, but I should say it more often. So, "Thank you one and all, for making this forum such a beneficial place of learning, reflection, and sharing." It has grown and matured a lot since its founding days, while, of course, it still has to progress greatly going forward.
In gratitude.
Chris
Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1373
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2020 - 02:30 am: |
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Chris,
I do agree that there can be a wrong compassion with disastrous results.
But I think this is not the case here.
We know, of course not all the details and so neither your nor my judgment may be right.
But I read the notes, similar to what Matt said, as iron fist policies, i.e. laws that do not have an opening to check the individual circumstances.
My take:
The Plejaren were willing to assist the stranded space travelers had the Bardons allowed them to do so. As we know the Plejaren are very sensitive and hesitant to offer assistance to others.
So, in my conclusion, there was no risk for the millions of others that you mentioned.
As for 'compassionate empathy' per se:
The mind-set of people who are only seeking their own salvation / progress is very different to the one of those who see their gain in knowledge as a means to teach and assist others in their growth.
The difference being that ones constant preoccupation with personal progress may easily lead to a kind of separation and self-centredness. The decisions of the Sirian "overlords" - the epitome of the illusion that may result from this thinking ...
Salome, Bill
Mans task should be to widen its circle of compassion to all living creatures( A. Einstein)
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1374
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2020 - 07:06 am: |
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PS
Maybe we should just agree that it was a great tragedy that so many people had to die for an error that can happen to anyone.
It is certainly right to defend the dignity of life. But to fully judge the situation we should have more details of what truly happened. |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1146
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2020 - 09:08 am: |
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Chris, All,
Thanks to you as well. We are all educators to a certain degree, but for those that educate others as a profession, I salute you. This forum is also self-educating as accuracy is paramount, hence the research and reading/studying that is required to present an accurate post. Opinions, Ideas, and thoughts often lead to hard facts after much research, or others already have the knowledge and willing to share. Those with a latitudinarian (theologians & academics) assessment often stimulate additional inquiry and examination.
Sincerely
Kenneth |
Cpl
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Post Number: 1277
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2020 - 09:30 am: |
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Hi Bill,
Please note that I am not passing judgement. That is the whole point. We do not have enough information to judge.
You "read the notes... as an 'iron fist' policy" but that is just how you read them. Could the truth not be the exact opposite? And you could also be right. As I indicate farther below.
Compassion is a natural human feeling when the suffering of others is known. So I am quite sure the Bardon felt compassion. We do not know what it was that prevented them from putting that compassion into action, although it would almost certainly have something to do with the complexities of their laws. Changing laws takes time and tremendous efforts and discussions regarding all the inherent consequences and people involved. Laws and their repercussions are hellishly complex and they do often create one or more hells while overcoming other hells. I cannot begin to imagine how complex it would be for the Bardon in this case now.
Again we do not know, regarding them, and yes you might be right; they might lack compassion, but have you ever tried changing laws to make them more compassionate and to provide for certain extenuating circumstances? Even here in small nations, it is difficult enough to do. Is that lack of compassion, or is it that laws are hellishly complicated to change and rewrite? Of course, it could be either or both. We can perhaps imagine how difficult that might be to accomplish on an interplanetary level. Or can we?
I don't remember reading that the Plejaren offer came with a guarantee that there would be no resultant problems. Maybe there wouldn't have been, maybe there would have. We do not know. We also do not know whether the Bardon had even fully recovered by 1904 from the devastation in their area of the universe that included the loss of planetary systems. How long does recovery from interplanetary desecration take?
I wholeheartedly agree with what you say about the world and people needing more compassion and to act as one, Bill. Life is hard, however, and often compassion is not the only issue. Why don't we go and help all the starving millions on this planet? Where is our compassion? Our compassion and our thoughts and efforts are first on ourselves and those who depend upon us directly, the ones closest to us. If it were not so civilization would break down and all would descend into hell. We can only do what we are capable of, and laws often restrict us there too.
Could the Bardon obtain approval of everyone in their section of the universe for a swift action to contravene their presumably most important primal law? Probably, they couldn't, although we do not know. Laws are not set up to be flexible. Flexible laws may be too weak to enforce, and if we want the Bardon to break their primal laws what interplanetary mess -- wars again? -- are we then responsible for them creating perhaps just through disagreement among themselves? Yes, we could blame them for that, but it wouldnft have happened if we hadnft pocked our noses into their lives. The Bardon were and are unlikely a collection of enlightened beings that all live as one like the Plejaren do. But how can we hold them to that high standard when we do not live it on our planet? They will certainly have their imperfections. All humans do, and we have them in abundance.
While we lack final detail regarding the risk of millions of lives, the millions out there may well have decided there was just such a risk since they know their terrible historical weakness. Or maybe they could only survive by making their law utterly non-negotiable or "iron fist" as you and Matt say. Furthermore, we do not know their present psychology at all as well as the full extent of their dilemma.
I agree wholeheartedly with your final paragraph, Bill. I would add that the desire to be a teacher of others is often the last ego roadblock the aspirant arrives at and finds difficult to go beyond. As the spiritual teaching and messages of others gone before show, it is by looking within ourselves and overcoming our errors and by improving ourselves through constant self-reflection that we become true teachers. When the teacher is ready, the students appear. Compassion, guru, or teacher are not spiritual trump cards to play. Compassion is a word often used to create feelings of guilt. Rather than nice-sounding words on placards or newspapers and books, it is quietly helping, assisting, and nurturing the people we meet in all they and we do in every way and every day that shows our true worth and reveals the true inner nature. It is the living of a life with others as one, whenever we can, that brings real fulfilment. Do the Bardon fall short here? Of course. We all do.
More critical than judging others of lacking compassion when we lack knowledge and understanding of their situation is, as you say, Bill, to see that we live fully in empathy with others in our own lives, and we still have far to go. Even when we get there, to judge others of lacking compassion when we lack knowledge and understanding of their situation, would be to speak in ignorance unless we luckily guessed right. Ignorant we are of the Bardonfs situation, as we are largely ignorant of our oneness with each other.
One thing we havenft spoken of is that we are now doubtless benefitting from the technical expertise of these 4,000 plus beings who have reincarnated on our planet. We probably have something to be very grateful for here. I may have a little inspiration about this, but I think it best not to talk about it.
I think I will comment no further on this. It has been fully covered (or perhaps I have over rambled), but if you want a final word, Bill, go ahead. Ifve said my piece.
Chris
Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 695
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2020 - 02:55 pm: |
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Chris, didn't you say some time ago, you were planning to take a break from the forum?
MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all)
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1375
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2020 - 08:27 pm: |
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My good Chris,
I think you said it all  .
Salome, Bill
"To be humane we must ever be ready to pronounce that wise, ingenious and modest statement 'I do not know'".(Galileo Galilei)
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2346
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, June 29, 2020 - 12:04 am: |
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Yeah Chris not too bad surprisingly and no further infections so far as everyone tries to do the right thing by maintaining distance but its becoming quite lax lately and I am also guilty of adding to that laxness where the old habits die hard made easier by the pressing concerns of work priorities that makes you forget from time to time.
I guess we'll never know for sure unless we receive more details from Billy and the Plejaren.
I've noticed a reoccurring pattern though where a topic of discussion becomes central all of a sudden as if we were surreptitiously meant to talk about them to lay the groundwork for the plejaren and Billy to disclose more facts about the particular topic.
Its as if we earthlings have to make it public to set the tone, so to speak, before Billy and the plejaren make additional clarifications which by the way may be important enough for them to discuss further.
I might be wrong but this is how it appears to me.
Otherwise why didn't this topic pop up 3 years ago or even 3 months ago but instead now?
Chance is but a law not recognised it is said so I can only conclude that inspiration comes to us all of a sudden out of the blue at the right particular time for us to discuss a particular topic so that it lays the groundwork for something else later on and timing is important.
Obviously there are always many lessons to be learnt from these discussions superceding the material topic at hand meaning that Bardan case is just the surface or impetus whereas the inner core of the issue is really about the spiritual aspect and how the invisible side of the spiritual laws manifests through the material.
One of the vital lesson out of this in my opinion is not to judge too rashly until you have all the facts down to the dot as part of overcoming ignorance and pre conceptions but more importantly how destructive and all conquering this thing called religious beliefs are that has managed to pull the wool over the eyes of even an highly developed extraterrestrial human beings who followed the Creational laws to start off with who were also suggestible by this toxic mind f*** who then managed to destroy greater part of themselves before they came to their senses.
Its mind boggling and inconceivable but it did happen
Thanks to Kenneth that we had the chance to delve further into the Bardan issue.
What next?
Matt lee |
Cpl
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Post Number: 1278
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 29, 2020 - 01:49 am: |
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Bill, your PS post says it all.
Kenneth, You are absolutely right. I couldn't count the number of times I thought I knew this and that regarding Billy's information only to find out I was reading it all the wrong way and my conclusions were way off course.
Teaching has been very rewarding for me. I am truly grateful to my students. The challenges they present really help me check on myself and I have learned so much because of them. In Japan too students are very understanding. I am not just saying it, but it has been a true honor to teach here. There has even been the very odd occasion when I could say something about Billy or overpopulation in environmental classes to students. In one of my uni classes last week I mentioned Francisco's and my new book (TAH) while we were waiting for some students to finish an assignment. Being on Zoom, I shared the Amazon page which led to a barrage of questions on aliens and UFOs. We ended up talking about the subject for the remainder of the lesson, which is not a problem at that uni since they basically give me carte blanche over the curriculum as long as it is ESL/EFL. Many students were noticeably enthused. When I asked which they would prefer for the next lesson, our scheduled curriculum or a PowerPoint on Researching a Real UFO, Francisco's and my previous book, they all said "Power Point!" So the day after tomorrow I get to present that to them for 90 minutes when they will be introduced to the alleged (have to keep it academic) Plejaren. It's a first. So as you probably appreciate I am truly lucky there, and that is just one joy from teaching, although these chances are seldom indeed.
MsMichelle, Yes I did say I was planning to take a break, and I did. It was just not as long a break as many take. Sometimes I am so busy that I'm not sure I'm going to be able to reply to someone, and I don't want to appear rude or as though I've just walked off or I am ignoring anyone. Online communications have unique problematic nuances, don't they? I did take a break sometimes when working on the RaRUFO & TAH books, but again sometimes that got held up so much that eventually I didn't need to take the breaks.
Sometimes I think I talk here too much and should give everyone -- or myself -- a break but then so many people post such interesting posts these days that I feel the urge to say something. Bill especially posts countless posts of very interesting and informative material, as do many others; and, of course, I need to hone my skills in properly understanding the FIGU material when it comes up here. That's an eternal task. Should I give everyone a break? When I do talk, I think I talk too much and have been asked to keep posts shorter before.
Chris
Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Cpl
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Post Number: 1279
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 29, 2020 - 08:20 am: |
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I wonder, Matt, whether in the future "a Bardon" will become a new vocabulary item in our lexicon meaning a human-induced unimaginably catastrophic disaster of cosmic proportions. Hopefully our Earth will never experience a Bardon.
Chris
Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1376
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, June 29, 2020 - 10:49 am: |
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Chris et al,
What a coincidence !
I found just now - some more info re. the Bardans. *)
They do not further explain the Bardons reasoning for their fateful **) decision on Jun 30, 112 years ago.
But they mention many other details about the 3 Bardan populations.
The Bardan (Sugam) speaking with Billy is very sincere and very respectful.
And the Bardan people of today come across as a very orderly and peaceful race.
So, quite clearly, we should give them our full respect.
Salome, Bill
*) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_430
**) They may have accepted the Plejarens advice (being on our planet is not dangerous as long as one stays away from earth religions) only after the tragedy (CR 428:18-22) - but they would certainly not repeat their fateful decision
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_428
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1147
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Monday, June 29, 2020 - 11:04 am: |
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Chris,
That is Incredible, your statement, So, the day after tomorrow I get to present that to them for 90 minutes when they will be introduced to the alleged (have to keep it academic) Plejaren. It's a first.
There are very few professional educators that understand the Creational Laws, the Plejaren, The Teaching, etc. IMO, this will start a tsunami of interests with the aforementioned. Very impressive, thanks for sharing!
Salome
Kenneth |
Cpl
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Post Number: 1280
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 29, 2020 - 11:44 pm: |
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Thank you for those two CN leads, Bill. It is indeed good news to know that the Bardan are now within the Plejaren Federation and have been for the last 80 years. It looks like it may have taken a few decades for them to sort out the disastrous incident with the Plejaren and eventually come to the best solution, unfortunately after there terrible loss at home and here. They appear to have made noticeable spiritual progress since 1904.
Let's help our planet make noticeable spiritual strides in the next hundred years too.
Chris
Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2348
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - 12:00 am: |
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That's actually a great designation Chris.
From now on anytime a manmade disaster appears on the news we would roll our eyes and say 'here we go again another Bardonism'
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2349
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - 12:05 am: |
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Whaada ya know Bill Bardamn!
Keep up the good work Bill you are a treasure to all mankind and of course to us all here.
Cheers
Matt lee |
Cpl
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Post Number: 1282
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - 02:38 am: |
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Especially if that global destruction is caused by religious delusional warring, Matt. There is still the danger of religious wars on planet Earth. Let's all work to prevent such a Bardanic future for Earth, while remembering that the Bardan now are a peaceful, enlightened civilization.
Chris
Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Felinity
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Post Number: 86
Registered: 09-2019
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - 07:15 am: |
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Bardan
"The People's Union of Bardan originate from the Bardan homeworlds of Bardan 1, 2 and 3 in the Coma Galaxy and are recently new members of the Plejaren Federation."
I am very happy for The Bardan and The Plejaran in their present and future connections with each other. May they grow stronger and evolve quicker together in Love & Harmony.
Salome,
Belinda |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1149
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - 10:54 am: |
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Felinity (Belinda)
That was a very nice statement, I'm sure that we are all in agreement. By the way, be mindful of how you spell the Plejaren name, they are meticulous about pronunciation. That would be like someone calling me Kennath which means Thunder and Fiery, verses Kenneth which means "handsome" or "comely". ;-)
Best regards, stay safe
Kenneth |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1148
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - 01:21 pm: |
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Reading up on some historical events, some of which is misinformation, still being taught today. Vikings and Christianity:
In the Year 982 AD, Viking Erik the Red sailed to Greenland, the edge of the world. Only 14 of 25 ships made the trip. 1,500 kilometers, (932 miles). According to the article, Erik also had several slaves, all were men & women of Irish and Scottish decent, the women were sex slaves and performed other daily tasks. The male slaves performed the heavy work.
Erik the Red (Erik Thorvaldsson) was the founder of the first European settlement on what is now called Greenland, he followed of Norse paganism. He was called Red due to the color of his hair and beard. Leif Erikson (Leiv Eiriksson or Leif Ericson) was the son of Erik the Red, who supposedly was the first European to reach the North American continent, approximately 510 years before Christopher Columbus arrived in 1492.
King Olaf Tryggvason converted Leif and his wife Thorgunna to Christianity, and a year later sent him back to Greenland with a commission to spread the Christian faith among the settlers. Wife Thorgunna was from the Hebrides islands off the northwest coast of Scotland, she was the daughter of a local chief. Thorgunna became pregnant and gave birth to a son, Leif left them in the islands.
Olaf Tryggvason was King of Norway from 995 to 1000, the great-grandson of Harald Fairhair. Olaf was the son of Tryggvi Olafsson, king of Viken, first King of Norway. Olaf is seen as an important factor in the conversion of the Norse to the Roman Catholic religion.
The Vikings possibly brought a few red-hair genetic variants over with them (including their slaves), but the majority of redheads were already in North America. Red hair is caused by a mutation in a gene called MC1R, MelanoCortin-1 Receptor.
Regards
Kenneth |
Felinity
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Post Number: 87
Registered: 09-2019
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 01, 2020 - 04:16 am: |
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Yes, thank you Kenneth. I too take spelling very seriously even before I came aboard. It was a mistake that I did not catch before posting and I will be more mindful from here on.
Also, thank you for your post on Viking history. It is interesting and I may use this information later.
The alliance of the Plejaren and the Bardan is of tremendous importance. If we Earthlings were much more evolved, we could have had a big celebration!
Have a good Wednesday,
Belinda |
Pup_stump
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Post Number: 12
Registered: 07-2020
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - 08:40 am: |
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Hello forum,
Students of the spiritual teaching, those who have discovered Billy Meier, are made aware of the danger of religion. Folks usually understand that organized religions deal in belief and faith, instead of knowledge. But what is wrong with belief compared to knowledge? How do we know the difference?
Certainly those who find Billy Meier and the spiritual teaching, and it agrees with them, often abandon any organized religions. But is this enough? Is it enough for the human being to simply give up worshiping a God, or going to a church to abandon this harmful religion? Or is belief much more rooted in the human consciousness that it takes a daily effort, over years to truly break free?
In the book Arahat Athersata we find the core meaning of what religion is and why it logically harms the human being. In the 2004 English translation edition, page 122 we find some clues:
434. Religion can never be used for the evolution according to your current understanding, but rather solely relegeon.
435. The truth, the wisdom, the abilities, the knowledge and the love, etc. must be put together and joined together again from what currently exists in the material consciousness, in order then, through a consciousness-expansion, to experience a further development.
436. A religion-based form, however, namely a back-connectedness, already lets the relegeon be destroyed in its fundamental substance and never find fertile soil.
438. From the form of the relegeon emerges effective knowledge, from which the wisdom and the ability result again.
440. Evolution does not only mean a development of already existing capabilities and other things, as the Earth human being has unfortunately been oriented by confusions and irrational teachings, but it also means that new facts and actualities are learned, recognized, processed and evaluated.
So what is to be understood by this back-connectedness that makes religion halt evolution? When we take a look at the term 'belief' and to 'believe' it means that a human being is stuck. In terms of organized religion, believing in a God means to give up one's power of development and study, and give that power to a (imaginary) God. So religion is giving up. So we can begin to understand that the human is NOT taking already existing capabilities (lessons learned from mistakes of the past), as well as new facts and actualities into account, but rather holding on without any work to an established opinion. In other words the human gives up his/her task of growing constantly into the future and stalls in the past.
We learn from the spiritual teaching that the Universe is not stagnant but rather is on a constant path of refinement and improvement. So too must the human get in line with this mechanics of reality and not hold on to an idea, but rather evolve it over time as one learns, discovers and overcomes mistakes. This back-connectedness is holding on to the past, and not taking existing and new ideas into account in an ongoing development of an idea. So a person becomes locked and therefore goes against the natural order of evolution. So we are not just talking about believing in a God, giving up responsibility, but also this same effect takes place when folks hold on to a stagnant opinion and give up their responsibility to further refine and improve upon it. A good example is when a person has made a mistake, and his/her peers condemn him for this long after this individual has tried to make improvements. Certainly the Earth humans of today largely fail to make improvement. But for those who are seeking the truth, students of the spiritual teaching, this becomes a goal. So when this student is criticized for mistakes of the past, and improvement have occurred, the criticizing ones act in a religious manner because they are stuck in the past. But if these students were practicing relegeon (evolving their ideas and opinions from information and cognition from the past up until today) an assessment of a human being would change with the times. It would be illogical to think that a person should be branded a such and such, when there has been growth. Certainly, if there is no growth and stagnation, we can identify religious behavior. Knowledge on the other hand is not a destination (in the past) but an ongoing process of refinement and improvement that moves endlessly into the future...
Best regards,
AA |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2450
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, November 20, 2020 - 10:57 am: |
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Finally Billy has made this public.
This is the first time he has ever used such a word according to my recollection.
The unequivocal existence of the satanic luciferian the devil worshipping ritual child sacrificing elite pedophile cult was something that we all knew existed but never one that Billy has directly indicated.
If ever there is anything positive to come out of the Qanon craze at least they have made this truth more mainstream than Alex Jones or any of the others like him ever did.
I guess its a matter of repetition repetition and more repetition which overtime will eventually seep through the thick calcium armoured cranium of the laggards who's perceptual range is severely limited to what they can see and hear right in front of their noses that such truths dawns very late on them all dependent on multitude of incremental volume based incidents as if like crossing a river on stepping stones.
CR 739
Billy: This pseudo-elite also belongs to this group, in which it is frightening to note that they, like the general
majority of the mass of earthlings, creep through life indifferently and do not care about making true
human beings out of themselves. All real and truthly knowledge of being a true human being, as well
as every effort to become a true human being, who as such is conscious of his/her duty of being re-
sponsible and protective of all life forms and also fulfils it, is alien to all these human beings. All of
them have no knowledge, let alone any idea, of the spiritual teaching, that is to say, creational teach-
ing, and thus of the effective reality and truth. They all go through their existence and life blindly,
unknowingly and with low intelligence and know absolutely nothing of that which the spiritual teach-
ing, that is to say, the creational teaching teaches, because they do not even know that it exists.
Matt lee |
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