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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2451
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, November 20, 2020 - 04:17 pm: | 
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Oops my mistake the word pseudo mistakenly appeared to me as pedo.
My apologies.
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2528
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 01, 2021 - 06:31 pm: |
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Whenever you want to see a fashion show go to the church as there are many live window dressed mannequins walking around.
If your kids are into bedtime fantasy stories take em to church as I am sure that there are plenty of fictional stories told in there.
If you want your knees blown out go to the church.
If you want to make many fake friends forget about facebook just go to the church.
If you thought finding a parking space was hard at the local shopping centre wait till you go to church.
If you thought standing in line at the bank teller was a waste of time just wait till you go to church.
How many venues can you think of on earth where its possible to get paid without giving people anything at all not even a small concert.
Forget about the pyramid scheme if you want to get rich quick just open a church.
The best performing franchise is the church.
If you have raped little children and anybody else with two legs the safest place for you right now is the Catholic church.
The queen of England says to her subjects that she is technically the biggest single land owner in the world to which pope Francis retorts 'yeah maybe but I am literally the biggest landowner in the world'
The emperor has no clothes but don't worry neither does the pope.
If you want to see giant lipsticks moving around go see the papal conclave.
If you thought Brookfield was the largest realestate company in the world you are wrong.
If you thought the CIA had the best brainwashing program in the world think again.
Matt lee |
Schantz
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Post Number: 266
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2021 - 11:57 pm: |
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Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and cohorts will be in for a rude awakening in their future incarnations.
They have said that history will judge them well. They should learn how to spell. Hell is spelled with an H not a W.
Hardly any mention of the Afghanistan invasion architects in the media. Maybe that's why the soon to be expired Joe was engineered for that position. The scapegoat, or you could say the scapejoe.
Nancy Pelosi said it was a great day of pride relating to other issues, while ignoring the Afghanistan horrors. The CNN handoff from Don Lemon to Chirs Cuomo tonight was a discussion about the Nirvana band album cover lawsuit.
Yep, that's the world we live in.
Disclaimer for posting in this section. All the above names have affiliated themselves with certain religions. |
Schantz
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Post Number: 309
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2021 - 01:11 am: |
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I'm trying to locate what the term "righteous strike" means in the Meier material.
General Mark Milley said it was done to protect us from innocent children and their family members.
I realize that my question may be to controversial to those in the FIGU community, which means this post may be censored, and not see the light of day.
But maybe I'll get lucky, and someone will be asleep at the truth wheel. |
Stefan_z2
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Post Number: 182
Registered: 12-2014
| | Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2021 - 08:25 am: |
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Hello Schantz,
“Righteous” and “strike” go hardly ever together in the teaching. Righteous can be seen as equivalent to conscientious. But striking will seldomly make sense when applying the principle of least harm towards any living being. This minimum harm is reflected in the pretty central term “gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit”, where the dominating principle is the noun “Gewaltlosigkeit”, thus absence of any applied force (~violence), and the adjective “gewaltsame” signifies that under the strict given constraint still some kind of forceful approach is used.
Am not sure if you read some German, otherwise use one of the online machine translation software like Deepl.com. A good and rather short introduction to the concept of Gewaltlosigkeit can be found in the FIGU brochure “Reichtum der Gewaltlosigkeit und tiefgreifende Geisteslehreauslegungen” that can be downloaded as PDF over here: https://shop.figu.org/schriften/gratisschriften/reichtum-der-gewaltlosigkeit-und-tiefgreifende-geisteslehreauslegungen?language=en
Salome,
Stefan |
Matcha
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 02-2021
| | Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2021 - 09:09 am: |
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Hello Schnatz,
Perhaps an errant auto-correct crept into your "General Mark Milley said it was done to protect us from innocent children and their family members" and the "from" should read "and". If not, I don't know what that sentence means.
Personally, I think this "righteous strike" is just the sort of thing we should be discussing here.
I presume this relates to the recent Afghan so-called "righteous strike." I haven't seen Billy mention this oxymoron yet, but I might have missed something. My interpretation is that there is no way this can be called a righteous strike because the murder was planned and committed and even innocent children were mistakenly killed in the attack. The way I see it, Billy and the Creational Energy teaching are quite clear that one can only kill when there is no other possible way of saving one's life when under immediate deadly attack. That was certainly not the case there in Afghanistan at this time.
Militaries attempt to paint events the way they want but what happened there was IMO premeditated murder, albeit of different people. Again, IMO, there is no way such a deplorable and depraved action can be called righteous; it is indeed the exact opposite since those targeted and killed were not at the time threatening anyone's immediate life. If there were plans to do so and proof of that existed, then the appropriate action would be more akin to apprehension to prevent the event from happening and appropriate punishment for the crime of planned intent to kill.
After reading Billy's materials this is how I interpret the meaning and oxymoronic nature of this current usage of the phrase "righteous strike."
Chris
Peace in wisdom be on Earth and among all creatures.
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Redbeard
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Post Number: 328
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2022 - 11:22 am: |
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Here's an excerpt from cr. 469
"But anyone who fundamentally sins against the Christian faith and everything connected with it, will inevitably end up in hell for eternity and will have to suffer endless and terrible torture there. But all people who die – except the saints – cannot go straight to heaven in the process, for everyone must first be purified by purgatory, and this over a period of millions of years, in order to become purified and worthy of heaven in the form of alleviated tortures in hell, and thus to attain heavenly purity. If we take a look at all this Christian-religious nonsense, we can see that the whole thing is an extraordinarily underdeveloped attitude of consciousness that could only develop from a sick human brain."
Remarkably I was quite involved with religion back when I found the works of James Deardorf and ultimately, as someone else just shared, at a time I soon found MH/they fly, It did give me an inside view of Christianity, at least the non- Catholic USA version, that has probably helped me to develop an immunity so to speak to the dogma and guilting that is part of any group/cult i suppose.
I was quite angry at the deception of religion initially even with the falsified talmud I could recognize the truth. My mom was a reincarnation advocate. It was touch and go figuring out how to navigate my marriage and family for years though...
I can really relate to what michael recently shared about self responsibility , as I think that is a cornerstone so to speak of how this matrix we are in is set up. We either go with the system or suffer it seems..
Peace, Matt |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1443
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2022 - 01:44 pm: |
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To Redbeard post#328
Hello Matt,
It appears to me that "purgatory" is a distorted understanding of the (pertaining to) the teaching of the prophets regarding the evolution of the Spirit (Consciousness) towards and into the various planes such as the half-material and the Arahat Athersata for example.
For example, it is clear to me, that the religion from Africa (Yoruba) that migrated to Cuba (Santeria) and Brazil (Candomble) is/are based on the Creation-Energy (spiritual) teaching about the Arahat Athersata.
It can also be understood why the slaves found there were some connections (similarities) to the Catholic christian religion and thus found a way to disguise their Yoruba religion within the Catholic christian teachings.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Redbeard
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Post Number: 329
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2022 - 07:52 pm: |
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Eddie—
I sense perhaps some theological background in your reply. I have never really prescribed to any of the usual religions based postulated truths about what happens next, but I certainly am interested in the workings of the mind in regards to ability or lacking of to be able or willing to look at everything with the same logic as is called for in all other areas of life.
As the discussion recently has been about the negative energies that are attacking billy and perhaps others I do think there’s a force that also holds people in their chosen belief systems to some degree.
I have kept myself busy with work and other things in order to get through my days as I have not one person as yet that has the same appreciation for the material we have here.
It’s a strange life to live to have so much accumulated knowledge and some progressive wisdom as well and yet find so few that are willing to look hard and long into the truth as well.
It seems to me that when judging something as to the meaning of life that if it is difficult and requires effort and responsibility that that then probably has more merit to it and more possible to be true.
Peace, Matt |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1444
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2022 - 09:51 pm: |
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Matt,
Agreed. Through the personal progress of my personal study of the Creation-Energy teaching, I came to realize that the best I can do is to expand my personal knowledge through the recognition.
The next best thing is to always be alert to the opportunities to express the cognitions through my thoughts, actions and deeds in harmony with the current state of those with whom I interact with, such as friends and family.
This approach has been quite rewarding and my friends consider me someone they want as a friend.
Neutral-Positive-Equalized, referring to the understanding of the term, has slowly expanded in its essence and wisdom and I am able to, more and more, to apply it during the sense of the responsibility.
I know (realize) that everyone I know will one day, along with me, reach the level of Arahat Athersata and so I listen carefully to the impulses and intuitions and the fine sensitive to the best of my abilities.
I've found that this approach, compared to my initial approach, is far more rewarding and joyful.
You are right that that which requires effort and responsibility has more merit; So I'm very happy that I made the effort to study the teaching of the prophets and only wish I would have had access to it early in life (hopefully this will be the case in my next personality).
Peace to you as well.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Matcha
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Post Number: 45
Registered: 02-2021
| | Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2022 - 11:00 pm: |
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Purgatory as a misinterpreted semi-physical semi-creation-Energy pre-AA abode is an interesting thought stream, Redbeard. Thank you.
Chris
Peace in wisdom be on Earth and among all creatures.
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Redbeard
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Post Number: 330
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 30, 2022 - 09:31 am: |
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That would be all Eddie on that one.
There’s many distortions of truth that most of us are still unraveling. I am working my way through the latest Talmud of Jmmanuel with all of the explanations of meaning and it’s quite exhaustively explained and corrected compared to Issa Rashid’s translation.
There’s a lot of differences between the meanings from just the 2000 yr spread between the audiences listening then to us reading now.
I can appreciate the chore that must have been for billy and company to capture the true meaning of the old speeches and texts.
I’ll will be more on alert while going through it to see if there’s any reference to purgatory there. Probably not as it’s probably more current than that?
Peace y’all |
Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 162
Registered: 04-2020
| | Posted on Sunday, January 30, 2022 - 09:44 am: |
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Hans-Georg Lanzendorfer has written an excellent article entitled, Wortgläubigkeit und Hörigkeit, (Word Devoutness and Bondage). In the article, Hans stresses the importance of looking beyond the surface day-to-day meaning of the words found in the FIGU material to a much deeper meaning that is being conveyed. As he put it, “Schriften nicht einfach zu lesen – sondern eingehend zu studieren und in einen sogenannten Praxistransver das Gelernte im Leben umzusetzen.“ (“Not to simply read writing but to study in detail and to convert into a so-called practical transfer of what they had learned in life.”)
To illustrate the point, he gives thirteen examples of verses found in OM and provides explanations for their interpretation. Here are four of them below:
Example 1:
OM Page 254 verse 2272
“If a person has become thirty, he can understand to a third the weather.”
Explanation: If the person has become thirty years, he understands to a third of his life, his own personality and his people. The weather refers not necessarily to the weather that happens in the sky, but is meant the weather of the people. Therefore their moods, people knowledge, character awareness and interests. In this case, the weather is only one metaphor for all the processes in the human being.
Example 2:
OM Kanon 32 verses 1606
“Sharp brushes scrape off the wool, however, firm woman's breasts give a lot of milk.”
Explanation: A lot of wool abrasion means that the people are excluded. It is speaking from exploitation, from sucking out, from overexploitation etc. Milk given from a woman symbolically means love, goodness, Life-receiving, Life-supporting his, etc. One refers to the mother image. And in the other, if one scrapes off wool to a sheep, then one steals, exploits, takes. The two contrasts are represented in the verse, the greed and the motherly love.
Example 3:
OM Kanon 53 verses 87
“It would be a mockery if a person wanted to talk and the whole person would stand behind the whole speech.”
Explanation: It would be a mockery if the person said the truth because the person does not say the truth as a rule and never says what they really think - or only seldom say what they really think. Thus it would be seen as a mockery compared with the truth.
Example 4:
OM Kanon 32 verses 1678
“Misfortune has no woolen socks, but foolish humans glee.”
Explanation: Misfortune has no woolen socks means that a misfortune does not become warm next to them. Others are not interested in one’s misfortune, but are joyful of their shortcoming. They are rather fond of the damage if a misfortune befalls on somebody else. Woolen socks signifies - to have no warmth - no security, no joy. Some rejoicing is called for. However, “foolish rejoicing” is malicious pleasure.
Thus, we accomplish the internalization of wisdom and is the core difference between Religion and Relegeon.
Regards
Bob |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1445
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, January 30, 2022 - 11:41 am: |
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To Redbeard
Matt, I doubt there is anything about purgatory in the Talmud Jmmanuel. For me it is a distorted disinformation to confuse the masses. Because if the masses understood the evolution of the consciousness and thereby of the creational-energy(spirit)-form then what would we need religions for?
A friend of mine, a lead former scientist at Northrup Grumman, is a recognized religious scholar, he told me that there was a time when the Catholic church actually taught the "doctrine of reincarnation".
They must have realized that doctrine disqualified the need for religions and invented the purgatory nonsense to replace reincarnation.
To Phi_spiral
Bob, I like the OM Kanons. They make you stop and ponder because you really have to take a minute or so to think through it and really reflect on the metaphor.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Redbeard
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Post Number: 331
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2022 - 04:14 am: |
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Hello Bob,
Thank you for your post. The first example reminds me of 7 steps in Billy’s book “The way to live”. “If a human being thinks and acts rightly and is rightly brought up and rightly order’s his or her self education, then there are seven quite definite values:
Each one corresponding to another decade of time and the third one listed for age 30 was as follows. “At the age of 30 years the human being is firm in his/her thinking and actions. “
It does seem to follow the idea to a degree it seems.
Peace, Matt B.
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Redbeard
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Post Number: 332
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2022 - 04:29 am: |
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Eddie-
The reincarnation in the Catholic church would be a useful proof/tool if it could be found in their deep hide away...
Bill Maher did a documentary called religulous and he ended up at the vatican talking to one of the priests about wether they believe in what they say or not... It wasn't too one sided either, it didn't need to be as the different people he interviewed put their worst side forward all by themselves...
Peace, Matt B. |
Redbeard
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Post Number: 333
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2022 - 08:37 am: |
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Hello Bob,
Thank you for your post. The first example reminds me of 7 steps in Billy’s book “The way to live”. “If a human being thinks and acts rightly and is rightly brought up and rightly order’s his or her self education, then there are seven quite definite values:
Each one corresponding to another decade of time and the third one listed for age 30 was as follows. “At the age of 30 years the human being is firm in his/her thinking and actions. “
It does seem to follow the idea to a degree it seems.
Peace, Matt B.
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Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 163
Registered: 04-2020
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2022 - 12:16 pm: |
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Yes, Matt. Also, there are cycles in the human life related to the numbers 3 and 7, and the multiples of 3 and 7. In the material, Billy explains there are leaps of consciousness that occur every 3 years, and for every 7 years, an even greater leap. We have all mutually observed examples of this within our own experience and within society as a whole.
The 'Terrible Threes' is a term that is used to identify the stage when the child unexpectedly changes their behavior and throws unexplained terrible 3-year-old tantrums. At age 7, they have begun to see that some words have more than one meaning. That helps them understand jokes and puns and start verbally expressing a sense of humor. And the benchmark of being considered an adult varies from 18 (a multiple of 3) and 21 (a multiple of both 3 and 7) which provides entitlements and associated responsibilities; such as to drink, drive, get married, vote, serve in the military, etc.
Regards
Bob |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1411
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2022 - 03:07 pm: |
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Hi Bob,
Thanks for the information. I would imagine that this cycle continues until the day of passing. Nonetheless, from what I have learned from Billy, the Plejaren, all the books, the Teaching, etc., and the folks of the FIGU blog, it seems like it would have taken me another ten lifetimes without these resources.
Kenneth |
Friteeucman
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Post Number: 95
Registered: 09-2021
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2022 - 05:27 pm: |
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I was just telling my friend about the 3 and 7 year cycles...
I am planning on shaving my beard on Billy’s birthday... it will be seven-short years til the initiation of the third-phase of the Age of Aquarius... And then I’m not shaving it until the official transition!
F.e.
da Kjybevol
Coordinates:Reverberation
Quetzel; C.r. 150, sec. 101:
“A new people must be established.”
-Ziffe a thire z da Ummi!
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Redbeard
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Post Number: 334
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2022 - 06:54 pm: |
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That would be all Eddie on that one.
There’s many distortions of truth that most of us are still unraveling. I am working my way through the latest Talmud of Jmmanuel with all of the explanations of meaning and it’s quite exhaustively explained and corrected compared to Issa Rashid’s translation.
There’s a lot of differences between the meanings from just the 2000 yr spread between the audiences listening then to us reading now.
I can appreciate the chore that must have been for billy and company to capture the true meaning of the old speeches and texts.
I’ll will be more on alert while going through it to see if there’s any reference to purgatory there. Probably not as it’s probably more current than that?
Peace y’all |
Redbeard
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Post Number: 335
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2022 - 06:56 pm: |
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Hello Bob,
Thank you for your post. The first example reminds me of 7 steps in Billy’s book “The way to live”. “If a human being thinks and acts rightly and is rightly brought up and rightly order’s his or her self education, then there are seven quite definite values:
Each one corresponding to another decade of time and the third one listed for age 30 was as follows. “At the age of 30 years the human being is firm in his/her thinking and actions. “
It does seem to follow the idea to a degree it seems.
Peace, Matt B.
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Redbeard
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Post Number: 336
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2022 - 07:10 pm: |
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Bob-
This is such an ordered and mathematical universe that we are in and logically based. Now add the human to the mix!
Quite a balance that must be achieved amidst the chaotic back drop of this current ever increasingly difficult planet.
Obviously Creation must have a strong sense of humor!!
Peace, Matt B. |
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