| Author | Message | ||
    Savio |
Hello With reference to 49 questions page 34. "The Hegira - Mohammed's flight from Mecca to Medina in 622AD; year one in the Moslem calendar" Any details regarding Mohammed's flight? Thanks Savio | ||
Richard Lunter |
Hello, How many gods - peoples, kings of wisdom, lives to day on the Earth? Know someone? Richard | ||
Scott B. |
Hello Richard According to my understanding it would be hard for any real advanced beings to live on this world because of the spiritual vibrations of the earth people. It has been mentioned many times in Billys material that the higher vibrations of the Plejarans are not compatible with us. Im sure these same creational laws would apply to any advanced race also. Granted there are people who are more evolved than others, but not evolved enough to be considered Gods, or Kings or Queens of Wisdom. For instance Semjase who is a semi-queen of wisdom cannot be in the presence of earth people for her own own safety, but also ours. Im wondering also would these people want their presence known among earth people? It is an interesting question..... Salome Scott | ||
Inger Wikstrom |
Hello Forum, Where does the word "relegeon" come from and how old is this word? Is "relegeon" the original word, which was changed into the word "religion" when the teachings about Creation were falsified and turned into religious teachings? Regards, Inger | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
Hi all, Supplementary reference to Inger's question, Stevens's translations, book 1, 24th contact: Semjase: 34/In other words, truth, knowledge, wisdom, love, etc., must simply be brought together again. 35/What you call, by an old for you language, the backward-relating "religion", should for this case, and which has to be done, by the same old language, be called "rel-e-geon". 36/This means that all has to be brought together again, which is, to be considered rel-e-geously, but not religiously. 37/In consequence, the already existing materials should be newly assembled, to lead into the future. 38/After the relegeon must begin the way of evolution, which has a twofold meaning. 39/You know one meaning of evolution as development and unfolding in the sense of something already existing, but still concealed, that must develop, which in a spiritual sense means, must rise from the sub-conscious towards the conscious. 40/The second meaning of this term has been lost to you for a long time, namely that something not yet existing is explored, developed, and unfolded, and becomes. 41/And because this meaning of evolution was lost, man lives under a false impression that evolving material already exists to be unfolded and developed. 42/The indwelling spirit has stored only those matters and things which it collected in the course of its material existence in material bodies and lives. 42/This, according to your understanding, is very much, but in truth is very little. 44/During innumerable further lives, the spirit must explore further, must search, and must find; thus he must assemble further knowledge, recognitions and experiences, which then establish themselves in him as faculties. Hope this is of interest... JPLagasse | ||
Richard Lunter |
Hello All, how many % of true, have this books? Jewish Tora, Muslim Koran, Christian Bible. Best regards Richard | ||
Anthea |
Hi  I found this article interesting. To me it seemed a poignant and unspoken commentary about the extensive hold that religion has over the Earth human. "Diet program looks to religion" http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/diet.fitness/03/02/weight.gain/index.html Kind Regards, Anthea | ||
Savio |
Hi Anthea Some recent researches indicate that certain DNA changes might lead to people keep on eating (they just can't help) hence overweight. I hope in a few years time, we can get hold of the reasons and cures for many kind of sickness. I think it is quite common that when people are desperate, they would get hold of just anything within reach say religion. In fact, overweight- for some people is a kind of sickness that should be cured with drug (I hope it will be available soon), for the other portion, self-control is the key but is the hard way. Regards Savio | ||
Anthea |
Hi Savio, I agree with your comments, however, I was not singling out overweight people per se, rather I was inferring that religious leaders will seem to do almost anything to recruit new "followers". My attitude is that if people choose to follow the false doctrines that is prescribed to them (e.g. that God is in control of their lives and not they themselves) it is, of course, up to the individuals entirely. I simply thought that the article would be a good example to demonstrate the machinations of religion and the strangle-hold that it seems to have over so many people. Kind Regards, Anthea | ||
Norm |
Is there anything in the Contact Notes about the Dead Sea Scrolls? | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
Hi all, An unpleasant topic... but perhaps a necessary one...? Is there not a danger (or possibility) that Billy's (Plejaran) teachings might at some point in the future, result in yet one more (or many more) religions? Semjase made many comments & statements around this topic in the contact notes. It is/was a very major Plejaran concern. Much of what they said about our present religions was "edited out" by Stevens for fear of "repercussions”…(!) Do we avoid this topic? All of Nokodemjon’s previous teachings were religion-ized… any objections, anybody? Is there a single one that wasn’t? I would be fascinated to see a profile of Nokodemjon’s teachings at different times… to see what we made of them… etc. (wishful thinking, eh?) Perhaps Galileo’s?… (I would point out that even science is at times treated as a religion…(!) Is it really (overall) always open minded?) Would Billy’s teachings be treated any differently? Are we not the same spirits (people) which heard Nokodemjon’s previous incarnations’ words? Are we really that much different today? Is it not US, who produce the religion… from Nokodemjon’s teachings? The Plejarans have taken great initiative to produce a “proof but no proof” scenario. Was this enough? Perhaps the “metal samples” were “too much”? Perhaps even the photographs… were “too much”? Don’t we (even now) want even more (& “better” proof)? Even on this board? What would this result in…? What IS religion? Where does it come from? Why does it happen? Are there any traces of “religion” on this board presently? How would we recognize this… if there were? Contemplative regards, JPLagasse | ||
Mark Campbell |
Hi JP ; You make a good point . I think that religion , in one aspect , has always been the lazy way for the masses to delude themselves that they are in favor of the universal "powers that be". While we know better now , this is obvious , through religion's tendency to instigate the "child's view" among people , and not concern themselves with details , awareness , or evolution and development of the spirit . The true Spiritual Teachings strike me as being about sharpness , honing one's abilities and potential to a fine point . Becoming better than you have to be , or at least as good as you can be .At least initially , it may be confusing for some people to hear and read that there are no angels , so to speak ... but there is the Petale sphere and the Arahat Athersata , neither sporting wings . We study these matters , and in time , hopefully come to a clearer understanding of the reality of it all , unclouded by the primitive assumptions of former times. Salome , Mark | ||
Inger Wikstrom |
Hello Forum and all, In Contact 251 part two it is stated: "A man will appear and present the universal teachings to the entire terrestrial human population. He will be remarkably successful, although existing religions and religious sects will follow up with global countermeasures --- as has been the case since ancient times. The teachings of the spirit will be included in this teachings, and some fourty years later the teachings of reincarnation will have been disseminated worldwide and accepted by the existing religions." Does this refer to the mission of Nokodemjon, how far into the future will this happen and when will humanity on Earth finally see the Truth in the Creational teachings and abandon religions for good? Regards, Inger | ||
chiuwang |
Hi: I read that Ptaah said the next contact with spiritual teachings will be in 761 years, and that is counting from 1990, so that means the next spiritual teaching person will emerge at 2750 and at 2790 or so, he will be successful. Using this year, you might be able to infer a lot of other events, like the first space war, and the artificial sun that will be created. Hope this will help to resolve your question. Hampton Chiu | ||
Chris Frank |
It seems only logical that the best way to try and gain control over the people of Earth is where they are the weakest...In their religious beliefs. Earth humans want to beleive there is a goodness out there that will eventually rescue them from the evils that they have created here on Earth that they look for miracles. This then becomes a weakness. Any alein race with superior technologies can provide the "proof" that they seek, and many would only be too willing to believe in the lie. From what I understand, there have already been such "proofs" and so it only strengths the desire of the Earth Human to want to believe further, and as long as these so called miracles are happening, there is very little chance of people breaking away from their polluted wells of religious "spirituality" and finding a fresh fountain of true spirituality to drink from. | ||
Norm |
Was the Apostle Saul/Paul being aided by the Bafath? PS I think we need to divide up the Religion section into Christian, Buddist, Muslim etc. | ||
Norm |
Whats the real story behind John, who wrote the Book of Revelation in the Bible? | ||
Savio |
Hi Norm If Judas Iscariot is the only apostle who can read and write then John would not be able to write the Book of Revelation. Who wrote the Book of Revelation? Regards Savio | ||
JUAN PALACIOS |
IN BIBLICAL LORE, WHO WHERE THE SPIRTUAL DEMONS THAT JMMANUEL EXORIZED FROM PEOPLE. DID THEY HAVE A PHYSICAL BODY AT ONE TIME. IS THERE A E.T. CONNECTION WITH THEM, IF SO WHAT WAS IT! DID THE PLEJARENS EVER EXPLAIN THEIR EXISTANCE TO BILLY MEIER. | ||
Norm |
Savio, I'm not talking about that John! This John wrote the Book of Revelation after Jmmanuel was long dead, he never even met Jmmanuel, and I didn't use the word apostle for this John!!! I used it for the above post on Saul/Paul, "the apostle to the gentiles, was not among the original twelve." II. AUTHORSHIP of Revelation The author of Revelation calls himself John, and ecclesiastical tradition has held Saint John the Evangelist to be the author. However, in view of such evidence as the linguistic differences between Revelation and the Gospel of John, also traditionally ascribed to John the Evangelist, many scholars have been inclined to attribute Revelation to some other prominent early Christian writer. They suggest, for instance, Saint Mark or John the Elder. The place of composition is generally supposed to have been the island of Pátmos, one of the Dodecanese islands in the Aegean Sea, to which the author had been banished "on account of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus" (1:9). There, perhaps in the reign of Roman emperor Vespasian, from 69 to 79, but most probably in the reign of Roman emperor Domitian, from 81 to 96, "a loud voice like a trumpet" reportedly was heard by the author saying "write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea" (1:10-11). Revelation was written to prepare the church for the last intervention of God in human affairs. The Christians of the 1st century believed this event to be close at hand. When it occurred, a new age of the world would begin, in which Christ and the church would be triumphant. Meanwhile, however, the evils and terrors of the existing world order would increase and intensify. The author of Revelation seems to have regarded the worsening of conditions for Christians in the Roman Empire under Domitian as signifying that this catastrophic period had begun. Apparently, he wrote chiefly to encourage the church to endure this terrifying final crisis in the confident expectation of an imminent eternally just age. "Revelation (book of Bible)". Microsoft® Encarta® Online Encyclopedia 2001 http://encarta.msn.com (18 June. 2001) | ||
Savio |
Hi Norm Thanks for the correction, I wrongly thought it was the apostle. I mixed up all the Johns Regards Savio | ||
Norm |
If Jmmanuel had written down his own notes, we may not have had as many alterations and the ensuing Christian chaos to deal with. Muhammad also should have written his own notes. I can't understand why the Plejaren's didn't make sure this happened in the above two contacts? Especially since they have access to future possibilities. | ||
Michael |
My only theory about this remains: When and where ever human beings are concerned things will eventually get ****ed up. | ||
Mark Campbell |
They obviously kept in perspective that Jmmanuel wasn't going to just fix things here on Earth right away . Just like they know that Billy's teachings will have to go through another period of time before being known . | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
Even with totally accurate translations all the way around, we would still understand the words differently, person to person. We interprete the "black & white" of "reality" in our own different ways as well. I hope that earth & it's inhabitants will survive long enough to begin to have a "common understanding" in spite of our differences... or something at least approaching this. Perhaps learning to live in peace & allowance of each other might be enough...? | ||
Anthony Alagna |
Yeah JP, The "common understanding" is Creation, differences linked together by universal logic. | ||
Phil McAiney |
Remember that most people were illiterate back then, therefore performing miracles was the only way to get their attention as to the truthfulness of the teachings. It is the relevant state of evolution of the human beings existing at the time that determined how the teachings were to be preserved. Judas Iscariot did preserve them but look what happened - they were stolen, falsified, edited, altered and changed completely by the ruling religious powers who thought only of their own status and lust for fame and wealth. No difference from today's religious leaders who will exercise the exact same attacks upon the "Talmud Jmmanuel" when they see it being offered in public. It will be up to each individual to respond to the teachings in their own way, so that the hold on society's evolution by the religions is once and forever broken into billions of pieces. | ||
Andrew C. Cossette |
Hi Norm, According to my own understanding, it wasn't time yet. Regards, Andrew C. Cossette |
