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Jplagasse
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Post Number: 299
Registered: 09-2000

Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 10:26 pm:

Hi all,

Just reading the previous posts in this string.
A few "random thoughts":

From my "born again days", I recall controvercies among the "Christians", whether so and so was REALLY "born again" or not, or what were the REAL "signs of the spirit" etc.
My point is, that among Christians, there is much confusion over all this with everybody having their own opinions & experiences. That these same "discussions" occur on this board is perhaps to be expected...

Regarding "demanded proof" on the TJ...
I don't ever recall seeing "concrete proof" that the NT documents themselves are "real" ???
Proof demanded from one side, should be applied equally to "the other side" as well.

It seems to me, that any "Serious Christian" would be watching for the "second coming" (in their terms)...??
As stated previously, if everything "we" presently derive from the NT etc. was totally accurate, then why would any such "second coming" be necessary???

Cayce provides some very interesting concepts dealing with "religious/spiritual thought". This includes reincarnation and associated scriptural interpretations. An evolutionary step, between "classic" religious thought and the "Meier info", today.

There is also the "Halaliel" prophecies... and various other statements/(prophecies?) by Cayce regarding "36".
Other assorted stuff here also... which coincide very nicely with dates & details associated with Meier & "the data" he provides.

Note: NONE of my observations on the Cayce info is FIGU info... to my knowledge. It's all stuff I've stumbled across by myself. The more I dig, the more I find. This in itself adds to it's "value" as corroboration that Meier is a legitimate "Prophet" exactly as stated, from within the "Meier info".
Also: There is NO WAY Meier could have possibly concocted or "influenced" the Cayce info in any way...
And so on.

Salome,
JP

Jay
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Post Number: 246
Registered: 01-2002

Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 11:46 am:

JP,

This is true and to add to this, the PLEJARANS made mention in the effect that thought impulses were going to be given to many people throughout the earth for the mission authenticity as well. So if Cayce had some or many accuracies, is definitely for warning of many things to come by way of the mission.

Saalome and BE WELL to ALL :-)

Anonymous
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 09-2003

Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 01:22 pm:

Howard, this is for you.

I know some members here don't necessarily appreciate being subjected to someone's religious views. But I thought I'd encourage Howard to explain why he believes what he does by answering this brief questionaire. I hope, Howard, you will take the time to answer it.

Why do you believe in God?

Could it be possible that God does not exist?

If not, why could it not be possible?

Could it be possible that what you read in the Bible and the Gospels is false?

If not, why could it not be possible?

Can you verify the truth of what you have read?

Do you account for the existence of extra-terrestrials?

Do you think it is possible that extra-terrestrials could be superior to humans in knowledge and technology?

Do you think it is possible that extra-terrestrials could once have used their knowledge and technology to astound humans?

Could it be possible that God was an extra-terrestrial?

Do you account for human weakness, or weakness in an intelligent being or beings?

Could it not be possible that a certain intelligent extra-terrestrial being, with knowledge and technology superior to humans, succumbed to such weakness as that which convinced him to rule over them according to his will?

Do you believe you know all there is to know concerning the spiritual life and human existence?

Is it at all possible that you could be wrong in your thinking: beliefs, opinions, understanding, values?

Howard
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Post Number: 123
Registered: 05-2003

Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 05:32 pm:

I am quite tired right now, but I will try to answer your questions, mostly for fun.

"Why do you believe in God?"
To be honest, I didnt have a reason in the beginning. But when you experience incredible love, harmony, joy, peace, which allows you to enjoy everyday as the last one in your life, you have to question yourselves what it IS. And you only get it freely, you cant buy it, meditate for it and so on. This is only a fraction of it all.
But the principle is, that ones mistakes, the socalled SIN , is wiped out. Because there are mersy, one does not have to pay for it in the next life, if reincarnation is to be a law.

"Could it be possible that God does not exist?"

I think it is strange if God should not exist. It manifests itself in so many ways. The whole thing actually, is that one is being convinced. No-one has ever seen God, but some see jesus coming into their bedrooms f.ex.

"Could it be possible that what you read in the Bible and the Gospels is false?"

It can definately be that alot in the bible is false, or not accurate would I say. It is written by humans, but inspired of THS. But anyway, the letters and the gospels are corresponding to eachother, and speaks to the inner being of the reader. It has influenced our culture enormously. Also, there has been alot of research concerning his life, and most of it seems to credible, even Moses' story is actually possibel (but he went over another sea than the red, a misunderstanding)
The Talmud is something that can easily be put in the cathegory "obvious hoax".

"Can you verify the truth of what you have read?"

No, ofcourse not. That is a matter of belief.

"Do you account for the existence of extra-terrestrials?"

I do observe activity from socalled extra-terrestrials, but I am not so sure in what they really are.

"Do you think it is possible that extra-terrestrials could be superior to humans in knowledge and technology?"

Ofcourse. We are just in the beginning of our evolution. The extra-terrestrials might have put themselves as God before others, but hey, you only have to go to Ptaah to find it. God could not have been an alien, a human havent got that much of power. Weakness is natural, and every human has that curse over himself.

"Do you believe you know all there is to know concerning the spiritual life and human existence?

Certainly not, but I found a path which was giving. And honestly, I dont think Eduard knows it either.

"Is it at all possible that you could be wrong in your thinking: beliefs, opinions, understanding, values?"

YES YES and YES! Im no fool.

*TIRED*

Jeedi
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Post Number: 36
Registered: 11-2003

Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 07:45 pm:

Okay Howard,

Here is a chance to be powerful. Anonymous has offered a sincere appoach for mutual understanding among all in a nuetral-positive format. Sooo many, these are great questions and a good exercise. Serious questions that I asked myself before I took the Figu info as Truth, as I'm sure a lot of people here.

So I would be very, very interested in hearing your comments on this one. Really. Maybe just take a few, be brief, and to the point? No test score.

Best regards,
Anthony

Anonymous
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Post Number: 24
Registered: 09-2003

Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 03:52 pm:

Howard

For the past ten years I have found myself irresistibly drawn towards people with strong religious beliefs, and although I have tried to understand why they think the way they do, always it has been to no avail. I believe that this is partly because I have not asked the right questions, but I also believe it is because, in truth, they have no answer, and so cannot give a clear and honest reply. I don�t feel that you have honoured my questions to you with the answers they deserve. They are practical questions, and to the point, and so they deserve answers that are equally practical and to the point. But you have given answers that seem to shrug them off insignificantly and that does not allow any of us here to relate to you, neither by experience nor by intellect. I dare say that only a like-minded individual can understand what you say. In which case, surely you must know that we are not like-minded.

It is all very well that you have answered them for fun. But it is clear by the directness of my questions that they are not to be taken too lightly. How, then, can anyone understand you if you don�t make the effort to be understood? With these questions I have presented you with such an opportunity, but you don�t take it. Please take the time to answer them again when you are not tired, because as they remain I don�t think anyone can respect your opinion, seeing as they are evasive.

I will explain why.

The first question: "Why do you believe in God?" you have given as an answer your experience of �incredible love, harmony, joy, peace, that allows you to enjoy every day as the last one in your life�. And also you have said that your sins are wiped away. You have given this as an underlying factor. However, why did this make you believe in God? If you had no reason to begin with, as you say you had, why believe in God at all? I have felt incredible love, harmony, joy and peace, but this did not lead me to think there must be a God. Why did it lead you to think this?

The second question: "Could it be possible that God does not exist?" you have given as an answer that it (God) manifests itself in many ways. Give an example of this and explain why you say this is an expression of God. Of what does one need to be convinced. If no one has ever seen God, then surely it is possible that God does not exist? Do you admit this? If you don�t, then why is it not possible, seeing as no one has ever seen him?

The third question: "Could it be possible that what you read in the Bible and the Gospels is false?" you have given as an answer that a lot of it can be false or inaccurate, but it is inspired of The Holy Spirit (I assume that�s what THS stands for?). How do you know this? Though it has influenced our culture enormously, this is because Christianity imposed itself on the world. It does not confirm the Bible or the Gospels� authenticity. How is the parting of any sea credible from the perspective of the Bible? Think carefully about these questions. Where there is reasonable doubt there is a possibility that it is not true.

Your answer to the fourth question: "Can you verify the truth of what you have read?" contradicts your answer to the third question.

The sixth question: "Do you think it is possible that extra-terrestrials could be superior to humans in knowledge and technology?" you have given as an answer that, although extra-terrestrials may have put themselves as God before others, God nonetheless could not have been an extra-terrestrial because humans don�t have as much power. The only reason you should say this is because of what you have read of God in the Bible, and yet you admit that you can�t verify the truth of what you read in the Bible, that it is a matter of belief, not fact. Therefore to suggest that God has greater power than humans is also a matter of belief, in which case it could be possible that God was an extra-terrestrial. This you admit at the beginning of your answer, because as you so rightly say, weakness is natural in all humans.

I guess your answer to the last question: "Is it at all possible that you could be wrong in your thinking: beliefs, opinions, understanding, values?" is the only accurate you have given. It is the only accurate answer any of us can give.

It would have been good it you had answered these questions honestly. That is why I used the word �possible�. Considering we only know so much, and that much of what we know is through others, it is possible that what we know is not at all true, except that which we know through experience.

Jeedi
Member

Post Number: 37
Registered: 11-2003

Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 09:06 pm:

Hi Howard,

I'm impressed. I think I can begin to understand your positions and honesty. I respect your ideas.

For my argument please remember, according to Figu (and common sense) the word (sound) "God" describes MAN -- not energy or something else.

Ya said, "Weakness is natural, and every human has that curse over himself." I agree (relative) weakness is natural, but this is not a curse. It is religion that is keeping people weak.

What would happen to you if you stopped thinking of failure as an outside influence (the devil? or God? who placed the "curse" here? who do you mean?), and started to really apply yourself to overcome your weaknesses on your own? Do you think you could beat his "curse" and be a 'millionaire'?

"Kick his ass "Little Nicky"...you can do it!!!" The horned red "Devil" sucks and his body parts are falling off; but at least he's cooler than that stupid white guy "God" with that silly robe and all those brain dead people around him with wings and blank stares on their faces. They got rock n' roll in hell and a great party. Did you see this one with Adam Sandler? Great comedy movie. My favorite fi-STORY about death, devils, demons, angels, god, heaven and hell by far. Ozzy is even in the movie and bites off the devil's head. Many, many good laughs.

Best regards,
Anthony

David_chance
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 03-2003

Posted on Monday, February 09, 2004 - 02:43 pm:

The following is taken from the pamphlet "Those Who Lie About Contacts", page 8, verse 1369, which is an excerpt from the FIGU book "An Open Word". The words in CAPS are my emphasis. I mention this because of previous postings I�ve read here relating �the beast�/666 only to the cult of Christianity and �Jesus Christ�; here it is defined much more broadly.

"At the time, i.e., the days of the prophets Mohammed and Jmmanuel, it was already known through revelations and prophecies, that during the New Age of the future 20th and 21st centuries the destructive beast bearing the number 666 would become active, that is, RELIGIOUS CULTS, UNEQUALLED SECTS as well as SECRET ORGANIZATIONS, would flood the entire mankind with their sectarian madness and delusional beliefs."

Edward
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Post Number: 377
Registered: 05-2002

Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 11:37 am:

Hi there All....

Some more additional information.

Here below is just the base of reason why The Beast/666 was just mentioned
by many relating to Jesus Christ(and because it was the center of most of
the topics). But of course, the title of The Beast/666 expands much
broader.

Clarification of a Defamatory Claim

"On the other hand, the title Jesus Christ contains the value of all that
is evil, excessive and murderous. Christ is the English version of the Old
Greek word Christos and is a direct reference to ancient, mysterious cult
activities. That is to say that the title Christos was applied to the
actual cult rite during cult and unreal rituals, when anointment and
unction sacraments were performed on sacrificial offerings and idols. If we
speak here of anointments and unctions, it does not refer to ointments and
oils, but the blood of infants, girls and virgins, who had been brutally
slaughtered and their blood gathered in urns.

But it is for all these reasons that even today the title Christ or
Christos stands for absolute negativity, contempt for Creation and evil
with the numerological value of 666."

Published Periodically Vol. 1 No. 2
German printing: May 1995
English printing: Nov. 1995

Monitoring Systems

"With their DSP monitoring system, America has taken the first step toward
the horrifying, futuristic vision of total control over every human being
on Earth. This vision signifies that terrestrials will soon be unable to
take even a single step without being observed and controlled by an
all-inclusive monitoring system, which would eventually entail the
implanting of a coded chip into every person. The possibility then arises
that an individual will be completely controlled and, ultimately, will
always be observed and monitored; even a person's most private and intimate
activities will be observed. The vision also implies that the European
monitoring headquarters will be located in Brussels, Belgium, and managed
and directed by the European Union (Europ�ische Union) as it is called
today. The undisclosed implication is that a form of dictatorship will be
established that results in the complete surveillance of every citizen ---
a horrible vision, which is increasingly becoming apparent as a reality to
anyone observing the world with open eyes. Likewise, this terrifying vision
foreshadows the 'New World Order' which, from ancient times onward, was
linked to prophecies about an 'animal with the number 666' exerting immense
power. I intend to elaborate more extensively, in justifiable form, in the
FIGU Newsletter on this prophecy and vision, along with many other
important matters of which Man on Earth should be apprised. "

From - 49 Questions - from the Billy Meier Contacts.

Q-38.What does anti-logos mean?

"Semjase: It is worth mentioning that the numerological value 666,
the Anti-Logos, and the related lies and misrepresentations, were forced
upon terrestrial human beings. Fanatics, liars, deceivers, religions,
charlatans, and the power hungry thrust this deceitful name upon humans
against their will. Hence, the value of the number 666 does not apply to an
individual nor to the thinking processes and actions of a long-departed
human being from Earth, but it refers to the figure of delusion it turned
into. It has ruled the Earth as a religious cult figure ever since."

Voice of the Aquarian Age.
#51, WUV Strikes Back!

"One can recognize from this that the animal or monster WUV 666
["Weltumweltverschmutzung" - in English: World Environmental Polution]
refers to the consequences generated by a specific human breed, the humans
of the 20th Century who bear the "666" mark uopn their forehead, so to
speak."

Prophecies and Predictions.

Thursday, January 29, 1976, sentence 1-14(Petel)

"It is the Child of evil, the child of destruction, who is a deadly enemy
of knowledge, wisdom, and truth - an enemy of love, peace, reverence, and
harmony. It is the anti-logos in a myraid forms. The number 666 is the
power of evil, for it opposes the truth about Creation, the truth about the
spirit, and the compliance with Creation's laws and directives. The "IT" is
"HE" -and he is embodied as the powerful who exist in lawlessness, tyranny,
and bloodthristiness within the anti-logos. It is an evil power with
deceivtful forces, miracles, signs, all types of seduction, trickery, lies
and deceit regarding injustice, and false teachings among those who become
lost within the erroneous knowledge of the anti-logos, instead of accepting
the love of truth for their own salvation. The anti-logos is the child of
destruction, evil, confusion, the prowling, lurking, and deadly. It is the
seed of annihilation, the murderer of the truth - 666, the anit-logos."

LOGOS=reason; that which is logical.

Life in Spiritual and Physical

"Truly, the Earthling has developed and "splendidly advanced" to the
turning point of the approaching year 2000. He has taken himself to the
brink of a deep abyss and placed himself before the fangs of - the beast of
lunacy - driven by false doctrines and religious cults of malicious
degeneration, which brought forth hatred, greed, vice, misery, lust, and
bloodshed."

Knowledge to you All....

Edward.

Anonymous
Member

Post Number: 39
Registered: 09-2003

Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 04:46 pm:

Edward

After reading all that which you have posted I feel like I want to kill myself. The monitoring system, especially, disturbs me profoundly. I can't imagine people ever accepting this or giving in to it if it is forced upon them. My guess is it would be done surreptitiously, when a child is born, and without the parents knowing it, until eventually the whole human race is under the control of Big Brother. But I can't imagine that every country in the world would agree to it. To be quite honest, if anything like this is imposed upon us, I would welcome WW3. Sometimes I think it is the only action that will save us from ourselves. At least the surplus population will decrease as a result of it, which is just what we need right now - less people in the world; preferably, though, those individuals who have no respect for human life and freedom. But they are usually the ones who have the power.

I wonder... can we appeal to these people with reason, or do we have to take some other approach? If not reason, then what will make them see the value of their own nature? There are some people who only need to be called to awaken from their sleep; others have to be nudged; and others still shaken forcefully. Do we awaken them or do we let them sleep until they awaken in their own time? It can be something of a shock to awaken them. But to let them sleep means they contribute nothing to life, while taking advantage of our reluctance to disturb them.

Is this wise?

Scott
Moderator

Post Number: 465
Registered: 07-2000

Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 08:46 pm:

Hi Anonymous,

Yes, it doesn't make one feel very confident about a better future. We just have to know that by working on our spiritual development and that somehow, someway we will make it through this difficult transition period. Just remember you are not alone in your feelings about these things.

Salome
Scott

Edward
Member

Post Number: 378
Registered: 05-2002

Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 12:39 am:

Hi All....

Yes, Scott...you have spoken my thoughts.

Peace and Knowledge be with All....

Edward.

Scott
Moderator

Post Number: 472
Registered: 07-2000

Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 09:07 pm:

Only in America,

Being the curious type, I was asked to see a new movie called the �The Passion of Christ� which has been advertised for quite some time.

Really not having any true idea what the movie was about I decided if anything to view it through an historical perspective?

Needless to say this movie bordered on an absolutely gruesome, grotesque exhibition of Hollywood effects and acting that left me feeling shocked, sickened and not wanting to ever see another movie again.

The movie basically consisted of the time between when �Jesus� was captured and his ordeal up to the crucifixion. This movie was not based in any reality I know, with glimpses of evil spirits lurking in the background and more blood and ugliness to last me for a lifetime. This movie may or may not have portrayed the beating �Jesus� (Jmmanuel) may have experienced, but what it really conveyed was the degree of bloody savagery that the movie industry is capable of creating. Whoever these people are who created the many horrid scenes throughout the movie, must come from some very distorted backgrounds and revel in the shock they can create in the minds of people who view these forms of �entertainment�.

Maybe Christianity needs one last Horrah, before it goes down in flames, but to top it off, this is Ash Wednesday for many Christians, which explained the marks on people�s foreheads�..perhaps this is what is meant by the mark of the Beast???

Thanks for listening
Salome
Scott

Michael_d
Member

Post Number: 45
Registered: 03-2003

Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 11:25 pm:

Scott,

I haven't seen the movie but have heard some of the hype. You can thank Mel Gibson for the production, he of the apocalyptic "Mad Max" movies. The opening was strategically planned for Ash Wednesday to take advantage of the controversy factor and put butts in the seats. They further manipulated the public by holding advance screenings for key religious folks from both sides (priests and rabbis) to get them all lathered up and create "buzz" and a lot of free advertising among their congregations. Another example of how low people will stoop for the almighty dollar (or euro).

Edward
Member

Post Number: 380
Registered: 05-2002

Posted on Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 02:56 am:

Hi All....

I have not seen The Passion yet, but as what I have noticed on the
television and all...it is surely making a Great Big Stir.

This all makes me think of some years back when Mel Gibson's motion picture
"Braveheart" was in the making in the location of Ireland and Scotland.
At the time of the making of this Great Historical motion picture there was
all sorts of Negative news and publicity being forwarded to the mass saying
that the movie was "Anti-English" and putting the English as being
Tyrant..Murdering and Overbearing people. Thus, we can conclude here from
...as the English Language being the Dominating Language on our world
today; which is a fragment of their manifestation. And as Billy had made
very clear...that the American Language will Dominate our globe...which is
just an Extraction of the English Language.

Of course...we know from history how murderous Religions can manifest...seeing
that the English did make much World-Ground which they Occupied form
centuries back until Today...and as the Judeo/Catholic/Christian Religion
being its Fundament for their Actions.

And ofcourse, Mel Gibson...was put on The Cross...Himself..by those
critics...for making Braveheart...and now for The Passion. As he had to
explain...that Braveheart...was just based on historical facts and events
that took place centuries back. So, Mel Gibson...is in some way..used to
him being criticized..and thus now, for his film The Passion. Even
concerning Braveheart...it was mentioned...that it was also "Over-filmed/
Over-Produced" with realistic scenes of horrible mass fighting with much
sinister and blood, but how else would One think a great battle of men
fighting would be Expressed...on the Celluloid? And not to foreget the last
scenes of William Wallace being Tortured Slowly by an English executioner;
at the English King's Request! And the watching Mass Enjoying this Theater
of Madness!

Surely...Braveheart..like The Passion Is Not...a Commercial Film...but a
film with as much Realistic Values...as can be. Ofcourse...we must take
into account...that The Passion is Not a newly filming of "The Talmud Of
Jmmanuel", which would have been Great if this were to be a reality. But as
what I can make out from the TJ...Jmmanuel also had very much Bleeding in
his last hours before being Mobbed and Lynched. So, it makes me wonder; How
should we Film The TJ...if we had this possibility? When we, who read The
TJ...Know the Familiarities of the events of Jmmanuel's last hours...with
The Passion. There seems to be very much in common here.
Make it as "Clear" as a Commercial motion picture...or make it as Realistic
as can be(Non-commercial)...with The Blood, The Agony..., The Tyranny and
what not..that played a role in the Last Hours of Jmmanuel. Well, I would
Stick to the NON-Commercial stand point of view..and make it as Realistic
as can be.

We Know and Acknowledge...in how far the Jewish-Scribes(and other Jewish
individuals) had Falsified the True Teachings...and Only...for their Own
Liking and for Their own Advantages, and having Power over the Roman
Leaderships. Thus, I would think...if we were to film The TJ...with All its
Facts...surely there would be groups of people calling it 'Anti-semitic' or
from the Catholic/Christian point of view as being a Falsification of the
scriptures...which it is Not; thus being 'Anti-Christ'. The True facts are
all there in The TJ, and not to foreget Additional Facts of events; which
is brought to us - In The Flesh - by Human Beings called The Plejarens(and
Co). But ofcourse...again, The TJ is Not The Passion..but will Surely have
the Same Effect! We Know how much Stir..only The TJ made...when it was made known and made its way into this world...not?(Thank the Plejarens they guarded very well over Billy!)

Being Criticized...you Will...always be. There will always be someone or a
group of people(s) that will "Interpret" such Facts in their Own Confused
way; as it is mention in The Spiritual Teachings that Religion generates
"Untrue Ways Of Thinking". Thus, Stagnates the True Thinking Process of the
Creative Human Being....in its True Natural manner. Thus...Stagnating the
Creative Thinking Process of the Human.

Well, I can not wait to see The Passion and judge it for my self. Even
though all the Stir..I still find Mel Gibson one of my favorite motion
picture makers in this time and age. Even if he's very Religious in his way
of being...which is his Right. The Contents is what counts to me..and not
the packaging.

Just my thoughts.....

Edward.

Norm
Member

Post Number: 637
Registered: 02-2000

Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 06:03 pm:

Scott, the movie was a small independent movie completely financed by Mel Gibson. The studios really wanted nothing to do with it. Gibson is a member of a Catholic fringe group that is apposed to Vatican II reforms.

Lonnie
Member

Post Number: 33
Registered: 12-1999

Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 12:03 am:

Hi Scott,

Yes, there has been a great deal of contoversy generated by this new "Jesus" movie. And of course, it is of interest to us only from the perspective of seeing what kind of effect this "religious trip" so to speak, is having on people and their thinking.

From what I have seen discussed by the media, the director of this film wants people to "feel" the suffering of the so named christ. To "feel" the passion, and so much so, by seeing actors speaking old Aramaic and Latin, as well as graphic displays of inhuman brutality, the observer will replace logic with faith.

This amounts to nothing more than influencing the public with negative or backward thinking patterns to further stagnate true spiritualty and development.

Lonnie

Michael
Member

Post Number: 430
Registered: 10-2000

Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 03:51 pm:

Hi,

The following is a copy of an email that I've just sent, not only to the radio host, Dennis Prager, but to a number of Jewish, Christian and Arab-American organizations/individuals. I think that if the irrationality of religion can be recognized and rectified by some of its major proponents there might be a chance of doing a little bit of healing on this lint ball.

MH

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Dear Friends,

I am inviting you to help Dennis Prager who recently announced that he would answer challenges regarding Biblical content on the air. Below, I have listed seven points that, individually and together, require a logical, moral and non-faith-based response.

As a non-religious Jew who, unlike what Mr. Prager acknowledges regarding his own life, has been the target of anti-Semitism, I suggest that the seven items below are indicative of the contribution Judaism, and some its adherents, have made to anti-Semitism.

I also ask that in assisting Mr. Prager in answering and resolving these issues that terms such as "self-loathing Jew" not be employed against this writer, as he has done in the past, or against anyone else.

Sincerely,

Michael Horn

Dennis Prager
KRLA Talk Radio
Los Angeles

Dennis,

I want to take you up on the challenge you issued on your radio show regarding explaining biblical texts. Please address the following:

1. You said (July 22, 2002) that the killing of innocents (women, children, infants, etc.), i.e. terrorism, infanticide, genocide, is good if God commands it, as He repeatedly did in the OT (some 10,000,000, mainly innocent non-combatants were, at His command specifically mercilessly slain). This appears to contradict your sense of �absolute right and wrong� and abhorrence of �moral relativism� (July 19, 2002), which is the smaller problem since it also contradicts God's commandment against murdering innocents.

2. I'm sorry to have to point out that you lied to me and your listeners when you claimed that God didn�t command the genocide and infanticide, rather that Moses did. Joshua 11:15 (and other passages) makes it clear that God indeed commanded Moses to order the genocide and infanticide. It seems that the terrible facts of this history trouble you enough to compel you to lie about it. Why?

3. You said (July 23, 2002) that the Muslims worship the same God as the Jews and Christians, which the Muslims also acknowledge.

4. Since the *fanatic fundamentalist Muslims believe that God wants them to kill innocents too, unfortunately it�s us and other non-Muslims this time, then, logically, it must also be good, as you already affirmed in 1. above.

5. You, therefore, logically support Muslim terrorism as surely as the Muslims believe that God wills it. And, since all that is necessary is for people to believe in ancient texts to establish the reality of �God�, you should have no argument whatsoever with the Muslim baby killers as you haven�t had any with the ancient Israelite terrorists and their terrorist God.

6. Logically, you yourself should have no problem slaughtering babies if you believed God wanted you to do so (see 1. above).

7. Lastly, will you personally renounce, and call for the Israelis and other supporters of Israel to renounce, the legacy of infanticide and genocide that is at the core of the religion and the original "entitlement" to the land of Israel? America has indeed renounced and attempted to rectify the injustices done to Native Americans and Blacks, it has contributed to making us a better people. Since the universe operates in accordance with the laws of cause and effect, we should understand that the inevitable, impersonal consequences of our actions, occurring as they do in accordance with these laws, are our responsibility and cannot be altered or prevented by any of the number of long dead "gods" from the past.

Sincerely,

Michael Horn
Los Angeles

*Added subsequent to my original letter to clarify the distinction between all Muslims and those who espouse terrorism.

Michael Horn

Michael
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Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 07:14 pm:

Michael Horn

Siddhartha
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Posted on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 01:07 am:

It is peculiar how the word 'Jshwish', meaning King of Wisdom, is similar to the word 'Jewish'. Does anyone know anything about Jewish history here? Going by this similarity it would seem to me to have been deliberately chosen by a people who still consider themselves to be a 'chosen people', such as the true origin of the name might imply to over-imaginative human beings.

Also, does anyone know anything about the beginning of Judaism? I'm particularly interested if it had its beginnings during times of change, like Christianity (the fall of Rome) and Islam (tribal upheavals). I just want some quick information, thanks.

Markc
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Posted on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 11:31 pm:

I was about to say the same thing , Siddhartha( about a year ago) and I have thought the same for some time now . The correlation is kind of obvious , isn't it ?

Sayonara Siddhartha . Mark

Mark Campbell

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Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 07:52 am:

Greetings, all
Have some thoughts about #666 and about killing of innocents as per God. When we first read the Bible many years ago but at the age of 26!!! we kept throwing it across the room because of the contradictions. Why would God tell us not to kill, but that we could kill in His name. True to His nature, when you ask you shall receive, we found the definition of demi-urge in the dictionary that said that Jehovah in Gnostic understanding was a lesser god (mindset)and was the God of war and destruction. This is to whom Joshua prayed, not the Living God.
Moses used the "Ark of the Covenant" to part the Red Sea. It was also a time-space portal until Joshua enclosed it with dense metals and Hiram sacrificed sheep and cattle near it so that the minds went into the Ark. That is why King Solomon had it taken to Ethiopia to have it buried in the mountains, so that Hiram, King of Tyre, couldn't use it against the people.
Regarding #666, the 666th chapter of the Bible is Ecclesiastes 6 or 7 and is all about "vanity." All is vanity. King Solomon wrote this as he lost his nation. He had asked for Wisdom from the Lord God and this He was given. However, when Solomon gave the ring God gave him to Asmodeus, which meant that Solomon stopped keeping counsel with the Lord, thinking he could guide his nation on his own intellect and understanding, he lost his nation. When through his struggle to find God again, he realized what he had lost and knew that living without guidance from God is vanity. What we do without God's guidance is vanity. Intellect cannot do it alone.
Also, the maggots, what we call the ones who try to enslave us, also have thought projection device that can project thoughts and do so, some we have even picked us in our dreams. Those under SSRI drugs such as Prozac and Ritalin are more prone to picking up these thoughts and this is well documented on the Internet. They cannot often tell the difference between reality and the dream world. Many of the children killing other children in school were hearing voices telling them to do it, and many were on these drugs. It is insidious device. People have no protection against it, except to be made aware of it and that to know that God would not want us to harm another. He favors not one over the other to win.
For Howard, there is a God and there can be a personal relationship with God through their messengers. How would we account for an experience like Howard Storm's.
Go with God!

Jenny

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Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 10:23 pm:

Hi D ;

I have no doubt that you are convinced that you are hosting a mentor who speaks through you . Such specific information indicates a kind of authority that you seem to be completely committed to .
However let me say that the regulars of this forum are quite ready for such presentations , and noone should deny anyone else the right to express collected ideas and concepts . They are in fact , interesting to hear about .
The trouble tends to arise when someone posts their conflicting ideas as facts .
I recognize that you are not pushing your ideas on anyone here , only letting us know what you have heard from "D" .
I hope that everyone will at least help to compare what Billy and the Plejarens have revealed as concrete truths , which are substantiated of their own logic, if one would take the time to seek them .

In conclusion , noone here is in competition with you , but please keep in mind that these people here are not part of a big general fringe information website . It is based on real trust that has been built on and backed in an ironclad manner that started long ago .

I think that in this way everyone moves ahead effortlessly when one considers that the majority of regulars support substantiated ideas from a trusted source . Each person who visits here is as important as anyone else who has been paying attention for any length of time .

welcome , Mark

Mark Campbell

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Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 01:07 pm:

Greetings, Mark,
Thanks for welcome and guidance. We offer what Delamer Duverus has given us because to us He has become a most trustworthy source. At first He was only the still, small voice, but later after we turned our heart, mind and soul to helping God or whomever to helping our nation and enlightening our people about what has happened in our world, He became a constant companion. He does not work through logic, but through the Reason of things.
We appreciate all of you and for the ideas and information that is shared. We have read now quite a bit of what Billy Meier has given through Semjase and Plejarens and from this site. Can their be a higher source? They have said so themselves. Light beings. Andromedans. We only know that our experiences are nothing like Billy's but they have healed us, both physically and emotionally, and that the fruits of what they do is to change the hearts of the people so that we can help our nation. (USA) We are a scourge on this planet in many respects. We cannot change the world unless we change our hearts, and America is so stuck in Mammon and greed, that it will fall shortly. Our first agenda was to stop the sale of illegal drugs to children by physicians, dentists, lawyers, public servants, businessmen and others, those in positions of trust. I, personally, had no idea this was so. But it was. Delamer Duverus did it very quietly. He is very loving and compassionate and wanted them to put down the drug business of their own volition. Many had young children, and this is who He is here for, the children. We should always serve the children, for when we do that, everything comes into balance. Our governments, so many of our corporations, our medical establishment, etc. are not doing this. He gives them a higher place to stand by giving them a higher understanding and the understanding that we will lose our nation because we have broken every Law of God.
We did not mean to be dogmatic about our understanding. Please forgive us. However, He has told us numerous times that God is coming to rule with an Iron Scepter, Iron Laws that cannot be bent. Howard Storm gave us more understanding on this, because he said that in the future they will take away more of our free will because we have not used it properly. They do this through the genetics. That is what happened at the time of the Tower of Babel. They took away our memory, some part of our genetics, so that we could begin again and again try to live in peace. We have not done so. We will be given a time of great peace under this Iron Scepter and then we will be tried again. It is all about evolution of the speciel mind.
If you would like us to leave the forum, then we will be glad to do so. We cannot help but share the knowledge and understanding that we have. We do not know if all of it is different from Billy's, some of it is the same. We seek the truth and the reason of things in everything.
In God we Trust,
Jenny Miner

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Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 10:45 pm:

Hi Jenny ;

I hope you don't leave the forum . I do recommend however that you read all the articles that are on the main website at figu.org , as well as read the archives in the discussion forum from the beginning . There was alot of great information posted here back in 2000 .

As for god coming back and ruling with a
mallet- hand , keep that in mind as you search this information .

Mark Campbell

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Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 04:22 am:

Found some interesting information while reading A History of God by Karen Armstrong - it is also confirmed at this website http://www.oldtestamentstudies.net/translations/genesis2_4_25words.htm

Apparently in the original Hewbrew text of Genesis the transliteration of 'man' is '�d�m' and the transliteration of 'earth' is 'ad�m�h', suggesting a connection between man and earth.

The transliteration is as follows:

7.Yahweh Elohim formed a person of dust from the ground, blew in his nostrils the breath of life,
and the man became a living being. (vayyitser YHVH �el�h�ym �eth-h��d�m ��ph�r min-h�ad�m�h
vayyippach be�app�yv nishmath chayy�ym vayehay h��d�m lenephesh chayy�h)

8.Yahweh Elohim established a garden in Eden, in the east, and placed there the man that He had formed. (vayyitta� YHVH �el�h�ym gan-be��den miqqedem vayy�sem sh�m �eth-h��d�m �asher y�ts�r).

Of course, it is said that this was written some time around the 8th Century BCE. But seeing as the Talmud confirms the existence of Adam, and calls him by this name, it does seem a bit odd. Perhaps Semjasa, the guardian angel of the god at the time who created Adam, gave him this name deliberately to flatter the beliefs of the earth humans? Or perhaps there is more to it than this? The Talmud says very little about Semjasa and his god. It also says nothing about the tyrannical Jehovah and other gods who subjugated and misled humanity throughout the centuries. Is it possible that the birth of Adam was not meant to happen, and that he was given birth by a renegade angel and god, intending to decieve humans with false beliefs about them as creators of human life and the universe?

Any comments from anyone would be appreciated.

Siddhartha
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Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 01:23 pm:

Another question...

I just finished watching a programme called The Children of Abraham, about Christianity, Judaism and Islam, and although it mentioned that these religions are united by Abraham, the Jews trace their descent to Isaac, while the Muslims trace their descent to Ishmael, denying each other the right to Palestine on account of this difference. Then tracing the genealogy in the TJ, it only mentions Isaac as Abraham's son. Was Ishmael not important, or did he not exist? Muslims consider him to have been a prophet.

What say the members and moderators of FIGU?

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Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 04:49 pm:

"Is it possible that the birth of Adam was not meant to happen,"
my two cents:everything that happens is meant to happen.
look at it this way...

if i was born into this world, this is becuuse a union of two has chosen to have a child.
=CAUSE

due to impregnation a human will be born, not from a predestined path but because it is the "effect" part in the cause and effect law.

"and that he was given birth by a renegade angel and god,"

at this point i must ask, are you religeous or spiritual?
because if you are religeos, than you must be here looking for corroboration
but if you are spiritual, you must be here looking for clarification.

i have a little bit of clarification for you if you want it?

The FACT is that religeon i.e. christianity was brought to earth by power hungrey extra terrestrials looking to dominate. If this is understood, then it is also understood that angels and gods (figments of religeon)stem from the mind of 1 or more extraterrestrial humans (originaly)
so i'll just put it blunt, religeon is a collection of deceptions made to decieve those prone to deception

Are you religeous?

Siddhartha
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Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 01:37 pm:

I have a question I would like to ask, and hope that some of you here can help in answering it. I put this to the moderators as well as members. Probably no one can answer it definitively, but I would like to know if any one has some information.

My question is: "What is the origin of the word 'god'?

Now I ask you to think about this carefully, because although we are told that the Plejaran word 'YHWH' means god (King of Wisdom I think is the more literal transliteration), a Plejaren who doesn't speak English would not know that it means this. The word 'god' is an English word, and so my question refers to the origin of this English word, not its foreign transliteration. The word 'Allah' is likely to literally mean 'the lord' rather than 'the god', as we are made to believe. And if this is true, well then the word 'lord' doesn't necessarily mean 'god'. Who coined this word? How did it come to exist? That's what I want to know.

Can anyone help?

Thanks

Siddhartha

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Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 07:05 pm:

Siddhartha,
Hello. Your question caught my interest so I did a little research and found a few links which might contain some relevant information.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608x.htm
http://assemblyoftrueisrael.com/IsJesusGod/thewordgod.html
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-allah-pre-islamic-origin.htm

Namaste,
Hunter

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Posted on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 12:50 pm:

Thanks Hunter. It took me a while searching the Net for this info.
Much appreciated I can assure you.
S

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Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 10:43 am:

Has anyone read "The Lost Books of the Bible"--I guess they're more commonly known as the New Testament apocrypha? Most of it is your typical fable-type story telling, but some of it is quite interesting. I am wondering if the accounts of the childhood of Jmmanuel hold any validity, since we do not get to see an account of his earlier years in the TJ either. Is anyone familiar with this?

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Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 10:51 pm:

Hi Hunter,

Yes i have these books. But most of the apocrypha was purposely kept out of the bible during its canonization.
There is alot of apocrypha, still even yet to be discovered.

*pureharmony*

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Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 03:35 pm:

Pureharmony,
Thanks for your input. I was wondering if Billy had ever addressed these childhood accounts of Jmmanuel(in the apocrypha, Jesus Christ, of course) in any of the contact reports? I searched all the former posts but came up empty. I would be interested to know if there is any truth to them. I think there has to be at least some truth in the books due to the fact that they were veiwed as valid works but yet kept out of the bible.

Hunter
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Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 03:24 pm:

Two interesting accounts from The Lost Books of the Bible:
From Chapter XV of Infancy, verses 1 through 7

"And when the Lord Jesus was seven years of age, he was on a certain day with other boys his companions about the same age. Who when they were at play made clay into several shapes, namely, asses, oxen, birds, and other figures, each boasting of his own work, and endeavouring to exceed the rest. Then the Lord Jesus said to the boys, I will command these figures which I have made to walk. And immediately they moved, and when he commanded them to return, they returned. He had also made the figures of the birds and the sparrows, which when he commanded to fly, did fly, and when he commanded to stand still, did stand still; and if he gave them meat and drink, they did eat and drink. When at length the boys went away, and related these things to their parents, their fathers said to them, Take heed, children, for the future, of his company, for he is a scoceror; shun and avoid him, and from henceforth never play with him."

From Chapter XX of Infancy, verses 9 through 16

"...The Lord Jesus farther said to the master, Take notice how I say to thee; then he began clearly and distinctly to say Aleph, Beth, Gimel, Daleth, and so on to the end of the alphabet. At this the master was so surprised, that he said, I believe this boy was born before Noah; And turning to Joseph, he said, Thou hast brought a boy to me to be taught, who is more learned than any master. He said also unto Mary, This your son has no need of any learning. They brought him then to a more learned master, who, when he saw him, said, say Aleph. And when he had said Aleph, the master bade him pronounce Beth; to which the Lord Jesus replied, Tell me first the meaning of the letter Aleph, and then I will pronounce Beth. But this master, when he lift up his hand to whip him, had his hand presently withered, and he died. Then said Joseph to Mary, henceforth we will not allow him to go out of the house; for everyone who displeases him is killed."

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Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 02:51 pm:

Neuermensch, There's some very good info on Mohammed in the booklet called "Those Who Lie About Contacts."
"Information on liars, cheats and frauds in the UFO community and false claims of contact with Ashtar and Hatonn among others. Quotations from the books "OM" and "An Open Word" presents a profile of the man called Mohammed explaining much about his actual task on Earth.(41 pages)"

Contact Brenda for Figu booklets,
mindfield@att.net

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Posted on Friday, November 19, 2004 - 03:16 pm:

If I may come with a little different perspective;

I have been tumbling around with the christian religion, and Ive noticed the good, and the bad things with it. Anyway, I find it a work of a genious to establish a religion to "forgive all sins". What we've all been longing for isnt it?
When I had it at worst, felt I had done something bad, it was always at help praying for forgiveness, repairing the inner being. It seems to me this concept i relieving oneself of "bad karma" or something. Its a very tough thing to break trough from, since it relieves one of bad concience.
I think christianity is a very effective weapon sharpening the senses, giving dedication, breaking through the boundaries of the psyche, into a kind of light that comes from creation.
But I really dont know of whats causing this.
Any ideas? What positive things can one get from "a life in christ"?

Edward
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Posted on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 04:47 am:

Hi Dplotmach....

Well, many of us here at this discussion board had once been associated
with the Christian Religion one way or another in our lives, which is
definitely inevitable. Specially, in our western world, and its ways,
this is just "Spoon-feed" from knee high into our Consciousness.

My personal experience would be that, even as a young child, that
they(Christians) seem to live in some sort of a "Dream World". Always
those prayers and closing One's EYES; which I never found something I
could be at ease by. When we would get down on our knees, I would only
get "DIZZY"...from just closing my eye so long... :-)

So, I always made
sure...I had one eye open! Really, no joke. I always found the Prayer
bit..."A DRAGGGGG"...so to speak.

I even once asked my brother, "why do we have to close our eyes, I don't
see NOTHING!"

And he said, "Your suppose to see GOD!"

Me again, "Well, I don't see him anywhere before me; I only get DIZZY
from closing my eyes so long!"

I do not think One would have to get down on One's knees and ask for
"Forgiveness" if One had made a mistake, or others. This is just some
think One is Taught to do by the Christian Religion. One should just try
and forgive One's self by just Acknowledging One's mistake in to One's
Conscience..and than start anew with a Clean Slate. After all, YOU ARE
HUMAN, and humans make mistakes! And thus, One should also forgive One's
self for any wrong doings. This is as Natural as can be. Which is
Natural...as Nature..her self.

But, we do live in times that One would like to get rid of a mistake and
get it off One's chest; thus, One does have the possibility through
prayer...if One wishes to do so. Or, even do a confession, if there is a
possibility to do so. This is up to One's self. Thus, One's OWN FREEDOM
...of Choice.

I would not think that Christianity would Sharpen...and what not, as you
mentioned, "the boundaries of the psyche" in any shape or form.

One...does this Him/Her Self. NOT CHRISTIANITY. Its all "Between The
Ears"(in the Mind), so to speak. Which is a Natural ability of Nature
and Creation. Christianity, is just a Delusion of One's (Figure of)
Imagination, thus, can generate a Bundle of enormous Erroneous
Happiness...etc...and other False traits, which can be Imaginable. Thus
Not in Its UR-FORM!

After all, why live a life with an Erroneous Sectarian teaching that has
derived, and Stolen, and converted the True Teachings of the Laws of
Nature and Creation into its own Religion that is based on pure
"Plagiarism", and made into a MAN MADE Religion, and thus, best to leave
it be and not be Enslaved by its "Distorted" scriptures...and Adapt
One's self to the TRUE UR-Source of the TRUE Teachings of the Laws of
Nature and Creations..as it IS and as it should be. Turn to The
UR-Source, and there One will surely find The TRUE LIGHT in Spirit,
Consciousness..and in One's Way Of Being. So Simple is this. Adapt One's
self to the Natural Elements of Nature, and Acknowledge that One is a
"Creation and Creature of CREATION", and One does Not have to "Believe",
this as Truth, but Recognize/Acknowledge it to its Fullest Truth in a
Natural manner; and this is just how it is.

Is short: Just Open One's Self to Nature and all her Elements around
you, and you Will...Experience Creation in her Fullest Gracious and
Glorious Form, as this being a Natural Phenomenon in a Natural
Form/Manifestation. When One has Recognized this Phenomenon, One can
live with an abundance of TRUE Light, Love, Peace and Happiness, AND
TRUTH, etc...within One's self, and thus, can, Reflect this True
Phenomenon of Nature and Creation to the surrounding world within One's
Being.

So, the choice, it up to One's self. It is one Great Big Step, but Worth
taking, as Truth and the Laws of Nature and Creation, are NOT, based on
any Religious Man Made concepts, but on PURE TRUE NATURAL LAWS...of
Nature her self, and thus CREATION.

Just Acknowledge...that YOU ARE even a Creating Force, just as Creation
her self. You are Creating every moment, movement, second, minute, hour,
day, month and year...etc. Just as Creation! You are Creating, it be
through; writing, music, teaching, artwork, law making, cooking, sowing,
begetting offspring....etc. Thus, as you can notice, Creation is an
Endless Creating Force/Energy that is within ALL her Sparks/Elements.
Recognize this, and what greater Valuable Knowledge does One Possess
than Pure Truth of One's self. Thus the TRUTH of CREATION.

Knowledge To You.....

Edward.

Memo00
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Posted on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 08:34 am:

hi dplot

the truth may sound hard
but that is why very little people recognize it and accept it . . .

all religions (not only christianity) have the purpose of enslaving and exploiting the people, they rob the inner freedom and teach (when we are kids so that we cannot do something against it) how to be submmisive and obedient

together with politicians they control people�s lifes

while priests control the inner life of the human beings (the way we think and see life)

politicians control the outer life

politicians depend on religion, cause without the proper brainwash they could not exploit people

..............................................

1- establishing a religion is not the work of a genius but the work of a sick person who wants to control other people�s lifes, who doesn�t care if he has murder or to lie to do it, and who wants to live an "easy life" whithout moving a finger while other have to work all day to have something to eat . . .

2- feeling guilty and bad with ourselves is something that is the result of the brainwash we receive when we are kids

we all commit mistakes, CAUSE WE ARE ONLY HUMAN BEINGS, NOBODY IS PERFECT, it is our purpose in life to learn from our errors to become wise

3- You don�t have to ask for forgiveness to anybody, you just have to be consciouss when you commit and error so that you learn from it and dont repeat it again�

karma = the law of cause and effect

it is true that what happens in your life can be a result of things that you have done

but definitely nobody wants to punish you, and definitely you dont have burden a big stone with all the errors that you commit cause CAUSE YOU ARE ONLY A HUMAN BEING, YOU WILL COMMIT MILLIONS OF ERRORS during innumerable lifetimes, just be consciouss of them and do not repeat them

4- if you really comprehend that NOBODY IS PERFECT and that all commit mistakes, you can forget about forgiveness, for the simple reason that what other people do to you no longer can be taken as an "offense" it is just the result of ignorance,

and what you do to others, once it is done, cannot be repaired, so before doing something think about it quietly, and after commiting an error try to learn from it, thats all

5- it never existed a person called "christ",
his real name was Jmmanuel and he taught very different things than the ones that are taught in christianism, he taught with the hard language of truth and because of that they tried to murder him

incredibly there is still survive some of his teachings of love in religions, but they are taken out of context and are falsified so that they induce into false ways of thinking so that you become a blind follower of an evil cult

6- it is good to search in religions so that you can recognize the truth on your own,

but ask yourself

why after so many thousands years of religions (2000 years of christianism) there is more war and hate than ever???

if they would work, people would forgive each other and we would live in peace and harmony

but they don�t cause they are full of lies

Cpl
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Posted on Friday, December 24, 2004 - 07:13 am:

Hi Siddhartha,

From Dictionary of Word Origins by Ayto comes the following for the word god:

The English word's immediate ancestor was prehistoric Germanic guth, which also produced German gott, Dutch god and Swedish and Danish gud.

It is not actually etymologically related to good. It is thought to come from Indo-European ghut. This could relate to the Sanskrit havate and Old Church Slavonic zovetu, both meaning "call." If so the underlying etymological meaning of god would be "that which is invoked."

Presumably "that which is invoked" could be anything prayed to or invoked upon. The truth is, as ever, quite a bit different from what most religions would like to brainwash people into believing.

Conclusion: god is merely "that which is invoked"; and certainly not necessarily invoked in sense or sanity.

Cpl
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Posted on Friday, December 24, 2004 - 07:24 am:

Can anyone answer this Christmas question,

Does Billy treat the Christmas season as any other day, or not? What did the Plejarens advise about how to celebrate, or cope with, Christmas? How do Billy and FIGU members get through Christmas? There seems to be a lot of goodness about the celebration in its goodwill message toward all mankind etc., but the myth taken as fact is certainly absurd fantasy. How does one get through this season in the best way in the company of others?

Thank you.

Markc
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Posted on Friday, December 24, 2004 - 02:14 pm:

Hi Cpl ;

I can only speak from myself , but to be able to integrate with others and not attempt to stage your own personal protest against (what has become a seasonal event that is meant to at least inspire family get togethers) traditions that are part of our societies,is just personal flexibility , what I see as a strength . So sing along ( at a party)
to Frosty the Snowman , maybe duck out and get some wassel while the rest sing the religious songs .I don't feel the need to be a conscientious objector when it really doesn't serve anyone or anything to do so .In other words , at a work christmas party ,just have fun like you did when you were younger . It won't be the best atmosphere to introduce new concepts to people , and keep in mind that to many people it's not about "saviour " , but the love of family . Don't become neurotic from personal discomfort , but present yourself as someone who has everything in order in his mind .

I hope I have helped in some small way .

Mark

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Cpl
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Post Number: 33
Registered: 08-2004

Posted on Saturday, December 25, 2004 - 06:22 am:

Thanks for your feedback, Mark. I'm in Japan, and Christmas is pretty much a non-event here anyway, other than a comercial time of present giving.

When I have travelled to other countries at Christmas I have often felt a little strange because it all doesn't really mean much to me in terms of the enacted theatrical myths and the way people respond to them so emotionally. I do pretty much do as you say. And also sometimes take things down to the local homeless if they are around to join in the good spirit of the thing.

Thanks! It's good to hear how others also respond. Is your advice similar perhaps to the typical response of FIGU members, do you think?

Markc
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Post Number: 175
Registered: 06-2000

Posted on Saturday, December 25, 2004 - 10:16 am:

Konbanwa , Konnichi-wa Cpl ;

I think it might be , because it follows the lines of common sense . In my country there are many people who go along with the religion aspect from social bonding . And then , there are the wide eyed fanatics. In any case , have a happy cold weather season , winter equinox ,and new year .

Mark Campbell

Cpl
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Post Number: 34
Registered: 08-2004

Posted on Saturday, December 25, 2004 - 08:20 pm:

Thanks, Mark. You too. It is a mild winter and New Year here, not yet below 10 degrees C in the daytime.

Jya, matta. (Later.)

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