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Der_beobachter
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Post Number: 24
Registered: 05-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 09:16 am: | 
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Hello dearest Figu Friends,
Who is the Antilogos 666?
My webpage on this subject was FORBIDDEN in my country.
With the help from my good friends from www.gaiaguys.net I moved my webpage to their server in Australia.
Check the new link below to read my work for the Truth.
Learn who is the Antilgos=666 here:
http://www.gaiaguys.net/666.htm
Salome and Be Well
Der Beobachter Edelweiß
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Peace2u
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 04:01 pm: |
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Hello, I am new to the FIGU community. I have spent several days reading many of the documents from Billy and the Plajarens and I want to express my gratitude for everything that Billy has done to bring this information to the world, even to a little person like me.
I was raised as a Lutheran in the bible-belt of West Tennessee. For some reason I always felt like no one was really listening to my prayers, it felt ingenuious if that's the correct word, because I could feel down deep in my soul that this religion stuff was not true. I have no other way to explain it. And now to know after all these years that I was right all along brings me utter elation. I am a good person, but to just turn the other cheek when you know that you have been wronged - that didn't feel right either.
I believe with all my heart, mind and soul that I have finally found the truth that I have been searching for my entire life. I know that it is true because it has brought me peace within my spirit. And I plan to do whatever I can to help with Billy's mission, even if it is only a very meager part.
I do have a question though - What if anything has been said about the current BIBLE CODE PROPHESIES? Or rather the code found within the Torah? It does not seem to be just a coincidence to me. It has very profound ramifications regarding the future of the planet and it's inhabitants.
Thank you!
Sincerely,
Debra |
Mgilbo1
Member
Post Number: 22
Registered: 09-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 09:47 pm: |
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Hi Debra,
Welcome.. Your story sounds like many others that have come here so congratulations. I felt that exact same way when I read his material on the Spirit. Finally the answers that religion couldn't or wouldn't provide were available. We are lucky and thankful to have Billy and his team providing this info.
I believe i read in this discussion board that the Bible Code is bull. I think as you read on that you will find there is very little truth left to the bible, so how could the Bible Code be real? I would do a search here to find your answer.
Since you are from the U.S. I hope more of us here find Billy and read his material. I worry about the US and what it is becoming. Pass this on to anyone who will listen.
Mark
Mark Gilbo
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Junior
Member
Post Number: 6
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 01:04 am: |
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welcome debra, hi mark
You have a good point that how could it be that codes would be hidden in the bible if it was changed, I have seen a documentary once about a jewish rabia good mathematician had created a computer program to search for codes and had found a few. But then a researcher tryed the same with a book called Moby Dick and managed to find code about the death of princess diana.
It seems to me that within a book with a large content would come up with something or another. I didn't come to a conclusion weather it could be real. but I agree with you mark "I think as you read on that you will find there is very little truth left to the bible, so how could the Bible Code be real?"
Peace to all, and one Love
Junior
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Michael_d
Member
Post Number: 105
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 02:06 pm: |
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Billy Meier was asked a question on this discussion forum about the so-called bible code and here is what he said:
Question: What is it with the bible code? It has predicted very many things from the past to the future, and I can’t see the connection by your presentation of the ancient earth history and the bible code. Do you just simply call this code silly?
Answer:
The Bible is a book of lies. It's a constructed chronicle in order to provide a history for a group of people.
The bible code is purely fictional, and if there may appear some matches it is simply some form of providence (Fuegung in German). |
Kiwilove
Member
Post Number: 10
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 03:35 pm: |
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The bible (and christianity) has lost it's relevance and meaning.
Those who place their faith and trust in a 17th Century document have
lost their sense of logic and reasoning.
It is the most unreliable document - while it may contain true accounts
(like the Book of Ezekiel is a biblical account of seeing a UFO),
equally it contains as much that is misintrepreted and misunderstood.
The material speaks for itself - which is open to anyone's intrepretation.
I have found christian dogma and rheteroic to be nonsensible and
unable to explain the reality of life after death and many of the
greatest questions remain unanswered or satisfactorily unanswered,
in terms of the christian viewpoint.
I tend to go along with the view that Jesus taught reincarnation, and
that reincarnation was edited out of the bible - while some
references still remain.
The view that Jesus was resusicitated after the crucifixion was put
forward in a British television program - 'Did Jesus Die?'.
While this had no ties with the Billy Meier/Talmud Jmmanuel material,
it is nice to see an independent program saying much the same
kind of thing as Billy Meier and the Plejarens, etc.
It took the viewer to the tomb of Jesus in Kashmir showing the
foot imprints of a man who was crucified.
see
www.tombofjesus.com
It is possible for christianity to be rejuvenated with the truth,
with the so-called new age christians - who tend to be looked down
upon for their so-called heretical beliefs.
Some people may be familiar with the 'The Aquarian Gospel of
Jesus the Christ' by Levi, who supposedly documents the missing
years about Jesus.
I tend to view orthodox christianity as simply 'brainwashing'
into a belief system that is inadequate to explaining what
life and the universe is about.
I don't like the god of the bible (and christianity) very much.
That god lacks sense, logic and reason.
I don't like that god at all.
'The Creation' makes more sense, coming from the Plejarens,
in which we are part of all that is. I have accepted reincarnation
long ago - because it is the only that makes any sense (kind of) and
for which there is evidence for.
I tend to believe that when independent events keep on happening
again and again, then it must be real.
eg. UFOs, reincarnation (memories of past lives), near death
experiences, out of body experiences, etc...
Nothing should be accepted without question - it must all be
investigated, and questioned. A healthy skepticism is good,
when you ask for proof and evidence, or at the very least ---
that it makes some kind of sense, instead of being non-sense.
If it is real, there is supporting evidence for it.
Harvey |
Kiwilove
Member
Post Number: 9
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 05:31 pm: |
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I personally think it is time for the truth to come out - all of it. The truth is simply what happened...
Jews, Christians and Muslims can't see beyond their own faith into the real world, nor into our present times. Christians may cite revelations, but they have no idea what they are talking about, same for anyone who talks about 'god'.
Anyone who talks about god a great deal (as invariably christians do) is speaking for god. Why should they? Why can't this all powerful, all knowing god speak for itself/himself/etc. And why does this god only speak in the bible?
Judiasm, Christianity and Islam suffer in particular from a lack of a true motive in their religions. All they do is stamp out sheep, and convert people into sheep. Free thinking is out of the question, for them.
But questioning and awareness is a measure of one's true spirituality - the desire to know and understand how the universe works. The real universe.
Judiasm, Christianity and Islam have degenerated into non-sense religions (not that they were correctly set at their very beginning, they weren't) and have lost of their origins, goals and meaning. They simply do not answer the life after death question, nor any other such questions people wish answers for.
You simply have to use your own reasoning and logic, together with your own inner feelings - to arrive at the truth.
As it is said within the Billy Meier material, the truth will resound within you - and you will agree with the Plejaren and Billy Meier viewpoint. That the state of the Earth is a shambles - and religions and governments have a lot to do with it, and other authorities. If they acted properly in their jobs and did not lie to us (the #1 rule should always be - thou shall not lie [nor deceive or misrepresent, etc]) - the world would be a better place.
We do need to harmonise as a society with an agreement and understanding on what the basic rules are, and how to fix up this world.
And discard that which is in error - to realise what crap there is and to recognise it as such.
Call a spade a spade.
Harvey |
Lada78
New member
Post Number: 2
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 05:52 pm: |
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hello¡ what can you tell me about the freemasons?
are their ideas of freedom,wisdom,knowledge,one omnipotent god, related to billy meier's/plejarens teachings of natural laws and creation?
i'm not a freemason, but i know some of them whom i respect a lot, of course there are some others not very reliable.
thanks
art |
Eric_drouin
Member
Post Number: 64
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 08:16 pm: |
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Hello board:
I feel any post related to the death of the pope JPII should be posted here.
I just reread an except from Bulletin #5, which is from contact 253.
Please think about the following when watching all the news related to this "representative of god" (think about it: a man chosen by limited group of chosen men, in a closed room - the Sistine Chapel - to be representative of god?? THINK AND PONDER ABOUT IT)
"Billy: Yes, I know about that. I shall wait until he returns. Our cordial thanks to you and all the others for your efforts. Tell me now, what's happening with the Pope -- does he believe in God, and does he believe everything he's preaching?
Florena: Ptaah said that such a question could only come from you, and he may be right, for none of us ever had any suspicions that this man was different from what he pretended to be. However, our investigations over the past two weeks clearly reveal that this alleged representative of God believes neither in the existence of a God above him nor in any of the other religious nonsense he preaches. This man only believes in himself and this was the case among many of the earlier popes, something we brought to light via trips into the past and visits to locations of the various events. We found out that a small number, a mere 36 popes, believed in a God above them, while the remainder were concerned only with their office and their position of power. Indeed, several of them totally rejected the Christian faith, a fact which, of course, they knew quite well to conceal from others."
I will share this week more thought about this matter (i will try once per day).
Salome.
Eric |
Norm
Member
Post Number: 696
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Monday, April 04, 2005 - 06:34 pm: |
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 613
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Monday, April 04, 2005 - 10:35 pm: |
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Great find Norm!
You know what strikes me a little weird is parading the Pope's body around in public for all to see... it almost looked like he was being paraded around on a popsicle stick...I guess the church is so convinced of its thorough brainwashing of everyone involved that no one would dare show anything but reverence and respect for the body of their ex-Pontiff... |
Lonnie
Member
Post Number: 72
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 12:02 am: |
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Hi Norm and Scott,
Here is an interesting link about how a "Black Pope" (not race) is really behind the so called "White Pope" (the Pontiff), making the decisions. This is only someone's opinion but it would not surprise me what kind of evil things go on behind their doors.
www.vaticanassassins.org |
Joseph_emmanuel
Member
Post Number: 69
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 12:41 pm: |
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Norm
I think those quotes are in one of Eduard's booklets. But there's no reference to their source. Do you know where they are quoted from? Can they be found on the Net?
Joseph |
Eric_drouin
Member
Post Number: 65
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 08:24 pm: |
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Hi:
More Thought about Christian Church (cont`d)
In the news this week, they was a mention of Christians in Africa, it was said it is where there is the most significant increase in fidels
100 millions in the last 10 years or so.
Goal of Christianity is expand the number of believers. Where do you think they are getting their increase???
you got it: by promoting HIGH BIRTH RATE!!!!
Their 100 millions extra in Africa is due to the insane overpopulation as encounraged by the Catholic (and also other Christian churches + Islam too ) using the Bible (Genesis and the like...). Destructions of environment, wars, poverty is of no concern for them, they are preaching salvation of the poor little souls...
More to come...
Salome
Eric |
Memo00
Member
Post Number: 121
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 05:35 am: |
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Hi
some say that JP I was murdered because he accepted the use of the pill and because of his ideas on money (supposedly they even censored his speeches or distorted them)
since it is supposed that the next pope will amaze the entire world even more
i think he will finally accept the use of condom and Contraceptives among other things, otherwise the church will become less and less popular in Europe
we just have to wait
and we´ll see |
Der_beobachter
Member
Post Number: 34
Registered: 05-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 06:02 am: |
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Excerpts from the Semjase-Blocks:
Contact #113, dated August 6, 1978
Quetzal:
117. I only want to be sure.
118. This refers to the successor of the coming Pope John Paul I.
119. After many long centuries, his successor will not be Italian, so that he introduces the time and the circumstances for the one fateful pope election, which will be responsible for the fulfillment of the old prophecies.
120. This pope coming in October as the third before the last one, true to the evil destiny, will also stand in the same star-sign like his predecessor, who will still take on his office during this month, Pope John Paul I, the moonface.
121. The Pope, coming during this month of October, will be Polish by birth, John Paul II., the sun face, however, whose face will resemble an evil crater landscape more than the sun.
122. This John Paul II., whose true name is Karol Wojtyla, as third from last will function as 264th Pope and Vatican ruler before the great turning point of the Earth world, while behind his back malicious intrigues are established and he will reap the blame that Israel can enter into a pact with the Vatican.
123. After his demise, which will already be in the near future, however, of which I am not allowed to officially release the date of death and the circumstances etc., but may only give them to you alone namely on . . . an additional Pope will come on the scene, about whom the people of the Earth will be amazed, as this has already been the case with his two predecessors, only that with him this will occur to a much greater degree.
124. But once this one will also be summoned from this world due to death on . . ., then the Pope with the number 5 in his Pope-election-value of the world end-time will come so that he, as 266th Vatican ruler will introduce the great world-end-event in finality, however, due to which he loses his seat in the Vatican, which will be totally destroyed.
125. But more about all these matters and in regard to other events, I will explain to you at our next contact, yet which you also have to guard carefully like the dates I have given you now, which you are allowed to make accessible to the public at the earliest, when Pope John Paul I. has been murdered and when Pope John Paul II. has been officially announced as such.
Billy: Understood, clear case. I will keep to your orders as you well know.
Prophecy Fulfilled!
Der Beobachter Edelweiß
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Norm
Member
Post Number: 696
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 06:31 am: |
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Joseph_emmanuel, I didn't get them from Billy's booklets. The info not from him. They came from a website that's exposes the religious scams. I can't remember where it is. I liked it so I copied it.
Eric_drouin, I heard on the news last night that the next Pope could be from Mexico, because they have the fastest growing number of Catholics in the World. They are having a population boom. That's why their leaders encourage them to cross into the USA. Rather then improve things there. The US loves to exploit them for cheap labor. Most of the money made gets shipped back to Mexico anyway & helps the economy Mexican . The Oil reserves alone there could help improve things for that countries poor, but Mexico's rich elite keep it all for themselves! |
David_chance
Member
Post Number: 52
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 02:39 pm: |
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An internet search on the quotes from Bishop Eusebius & Pope Leo X all seem to be tied to a book called "The Bible Fraud" by Tony Bushby. I could find no other source for these quotes. FYI, David |
Eric_drouin
Member
Post Number: 66
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 06:44 pm: |
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Hi:
More thought on the Church (cont`d)
8 years ago, i visited the Vatican and Place St-Peter (piazza san pietro). (that was years before i heard about FIGU).
During my visit, seeing all the wealth, gold and jewelry and the life that is shown in the Vatican Museum, within the Basilica, i became very angry and pissed:
Angry to see that the Church is preaching to share wealth to the poor, to give to the other, piety and the like, and to see so much wealth concentrated in such a small place. I recall i was on the steps of the Basilica, just thinking that: i doesn't make sense. These guys are cheating us and the whole world.
I recall also oberving the statue of Saint-Peter, his face looked so confused I was thinking: How such a confused could be given the task of building the church "on rock`". (I read the Talmud last year only)
They were something so negative with this place, but i could not tell why.
Then i cooled down, being on vacation. I went to visit the Coliseum, Spanish Steps, Trevi, etc... (Rome is a nice place to visit!) But i never forgot this feeling of revolt.
Now, retrospectively, i understand better what happened.
Salome
Eric |
Cpl
Member
Post Number: 76
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 07:11 pm: |
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Hi Dave , Joseph et al, Those quotes can be found at one these two links DerB posted elsewhere for me. They are about 666 and the Illuminati. They are long with much info and these quotes are there but without the fancy graphics. Links minus the ( ) that keeps cropping up (sorry): http://www.gaiaguys.net/666.htm http://www.gaiaguys.net/Herodesmason.htm Thanks der B, and that's a great quote from Quetzal. |
Lada78
Member
Post Number: 5
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 09:30 am: |
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hi norm! my name is arturo and i'm a mexican, this candidate's name is norberto rivera, everything you say is true, this person in a few words is a "gangster" he's involved with corrupt politicians and the powerful cartels and lords of the drug dealing industry. i hope he´s not the next pope,otherwise mexico as well as the whole world will continue in ignorance and submission. i guess he just wants power like every cardinal in the catholic church.
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Eric_drouin
Member
Post Number: 67
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 09, 2005 - 08:33 pm: |
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Hi:
It is worthy of mentioning that the last pope is one of the few in the world back in 2003 that saw the real nature of the Bush administration, and publicly, staunchly opposed the invasion of Iraq, calling it "a great mistake".
On this subject (at least publicly), pope JPII showed some lucidity and logic, This contrasted so much with other previous positions. But he may knew too well the consequences of the Iraq war on the future of the christian church...
Salome
Eric |
Norbertob
New member
Post Number: 4
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 10:19 pm: |
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Norm, Arturo, I am from Mexico too and I do not agree:
The leaders do not encourage people to cross into the USA. People wants to go to the USA like people from any other country, it just happend that it is easier because of the neighborhood.
The income from oil is expended in the big goverment burocracy and in the low income people who does not pay taxes it is not for the rich elite.
I agree though:
The money made in the USA gets shipped back to Mexico and it is an important income.
Pope JPII came 4 times to visit Mexico and he made a lot of followers and created a lot of carisma. This could be an explanation about the statement of growing in numbers of christians, if this statement is true.
About cardinal Norberto Rivera I have no comments, he lives far from where I live and I don't know much about him.
Regards
Norberto B
Regards,
Norberto Burciaga
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Norm
Member
Post Number: 697
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 12:05 pm: |
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Norbertob, What about the comic book guide the Mexican gov't was giving out with tips about how to sneak in to the USA? If you want to come to the USA come the legal way.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?
ARTICLE_ID=42207
Mexico's Fox is not going to force-feed us his workers
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0305/0305mexillimm.htm |
Eric_drouin
Member
Post Number: 68
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 07:20 pm: |
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Hi:
Have you ever wondered how all these people at the Vatican (clerics, priest, cardinals, swiss guard..) are dressed, fed, housed etc.. Where do they get the required money?
IT is impossible that they live from charity donation from church around the world, insn't?
I was told that: The state of Vatican has its own fincancial institutions, and is apparently a main international investor, having significant share is several multinational corporations, such a ExxonMobil, etc .. thus the money required to run Vatican comes from return from investment.
(As a matter of fact, another head of Church, the Queen of England, is one of the richest person on the world)
Can someone confirm this information before we go further and draw some conclusions?
Salome
Eric |
Mhurley
Member
Post Number: 88
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 11:50 pm: |
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Hi,
According to the recent Times rich list, The Queen is only 177th wealthiest person in the UK with a personal wealth estimate of £250m.
The crown estate, paintings,property etc are valued at £10billion but this is not her personal wealth. So she is no way near the richest person in the UK let alone in the world.
Matt |
Memo00
Member
Post Number: 124
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 05:53 am: |
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hi eric
you are right
the Vatican have among many onther things a lot of money invested in many multinational Corporations etc etc,
that is one of the reasons they continue to lie,
they could be preaching a different doctrine or whatever,
like politicians and other power hungry people
they just dont care what they have to do
to continue where they are right now,
im sure that if you search for a while in the web you will find interesting info
AND believe or not,
the money they receive from donations is still huge (millions and millions and millions)
each church is a Franchise (like Mc Donalds or Burger King)
and they have to send a big percentage of their profits directly to the Vatican (and we are talking of a lot of money,
or do you think that all those huge churches are free???)
thats another reason why they create so many saints, virgins, miracles, sacred relics (around the world there are like a thousand churches that claim to have the nails from the crucifixion, and other absurd things),
it is just so good for business!!!
before they created the "Virgen of Guadalupe" here in México, things were hard for them, native people didn´t believed their garbage, so they created the ficticious indigenous "Juan Diego" and recently made him a saint, and now the "Basilica of Guadalupe" is the second most visited place in the world (only after the Vatican)
it is a big business |
Norbertob
Member
Post Number: 5
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 09:17 am: |
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Norm,
I read the guide it is published at the mexican ministry of foreign affairs web site. In the following address:
http://www.sre.gob.mx/tramites/consulares/guiamigrante/
It is in spanish but basically what it is stating is:
This consular protection guide does not promote the ilegal crossing to the U.S.A. the objective is to inform about the risks that this crossing imply and to inform about immigrant rights.
And the content is basically:
1.-First recomend that everyone shoud get a valid passport and visa.
2.-If this is not the case, it shows the dangers to cross illegaly.
3.-If you already crossed it says where to get help in mexican consulates.
4.-Tips to survive and how to behave with the authorities(do not run, do not throw anything etc).
5.-And what are your human rights.
I think the article you posted only took part of the document to create controversy and sensasionalism. It is the goverment obligation the protection of its citizens.
I personally do not agree on migration. I go with Billy's view point about migration, but the real problem is the greed on some u.s. citizens that wants to pay less on wages, avoid paying taxes, avoid offer working benefits etc, and the apathy of other u.s. citizens that do not want to work anymore in harvesting, house keeping, and other related tasks, migration is only the effect not the cause of this problem.
Lets suppouse that the U.S. builds the biggest wall in the south border, it is going to have immigration anyway, maybe from other countries, because it is attacking the effect not the real cause of the problem.
About minuteman project, they have the right to defend their own private land acording to u.s. law. But lets get real they are not vigilants, they are hunting people for fun. And the other thing is that they are taking law on their own hands, a task that belongs to an authority. What would happen to our societies if everybody takes the law on their own hands? What would we need an authority then?
Regards
Norberto Burciaga
Regards,
Norberto Burciaga
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 494
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 01:25 am: |
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Hi Eric and Memo...
Yes, I would agree with you both!!
The Vatican, just as any other Huge Church "Governing" Establishment
Surely access a huge amount of "Visible and Invisible" Wealth!!
The Wealthy Visible assets are as you both have mentioned, but Than comes,
The Invisible Assets!
They too, like any other Multinational Money Enterprise..surely have
Invisible Assets but than Not in Paper and Coin Money...but in "GOLDBARS".
It seems, that even in the second world war, they(Vatican) too made good
profit of these bars of gold, and attain...from the Nazis...at the time.
The Vatican has throughout the history of man ALWAYS...kept its Head(s)
Above The Water...so to speak. They had always Capital to rebuild their
Institutions, anywhere on our globe. And what seems to be a great
Advantage of constructing a Church-like institution these days: the
Institution does Not have to pay any Taxes!! That is why, it is always
Smart and "Trendy" to call One's own Institution a "CHURCH". What a nice
way to not have to pay Taxes!! Thus, it is than quite easy to conclude,
why all these Catholic/Christian Church Institutions are always so
wealthy.
Dyson(Devine-Gaia.com) did a great posting of the great number of
Christian Money Makers(Shakers)..that exist in America...Alone. So, they
become very Wealthy Rich...Thanks to The Taxman!(Vatican: Eat Your Heart
Out..)
Just like every other Huge Institution(s) or Corporation(s); GOLD
BARS...ALWAYS comes in handy..In WAR TIMES and AFTER!!!
That is why so many people would rather have Gold in their possession than
paper or coin money...in their bank vaults, or home vaults. Gold is Never
Discriminated in war times and after. You would be surprised how many
wealthy people on Earth have their Gold Bars Stashed away in Fort Knox, or
any other High Security Vault...around the world!
Just this last week, it was mentioned in the media how Poor the Vatican
was becoming. Well, that is one Trap...I will fall for! They only talk
about the Visible Assets, but NEVER...the Invisible Assets. Either the
media are so Ignorant...or they just do their journalistics Poorly, or
there are medias being Manipulated and PAID...by the Vatican(or others) to
report(Propagate) such Non-Sense and LIES.
One should do a Search on-line and type in "Vatican Wealth/Riches". One
would be surprised what One will encounter!!
Thus, we have to face the facts: Religion IS a Money Business!! Our
Western Religions ARE Money Making Corporations!! The Church bit...is just
to "Dodge" the Taxes and what not..."Legally!!" What a way...to keep the
Mass Under Your Thumb...and that is why, there are so many
Multimillionaires in our western countries...ONLY THROUGH Preaching their
Falsified Gospels...and what not. One can write a book about One's Life
Philosophy on Life, but the Keyword is (the Christian) GOD, which One must
mention in One's book, and before you known it; Watch Out author of Harry
Potter: GOD is coming to Overtake/Get You...(Financially)
These Christian Church authors are just like the Harry Potter book series:
Just let your fantasy go...and Presto: before you know it...it will
have/become a Bestseller...and your a (GODLY) Millionaire!!
Well, I have always said the western churches only Idolize two factors and
which are of main importance to them and Holy to them, and that is the two
G's, which IS "Geld en God"...in other words: MONEY and GOD.
Sounds Very "MAFFIA"...doesn't it...
I guess they want to be as Rich as Their GOD..in the Kingdom of (their)
Heaven! With his Many Mansions! And not to forget his MANY MAIDENS
(Nuns)!!
Sounds more like a "Sodom Gomorrah" to me...(Here we go...AGAIN: False
Religion...Again)
Edward. |
Kiwilove
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Post Number: 40
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I am no lover of royalty nor of heads of government. They seem to be pawns unto themselves, although the presented view, is that they are supposedly the rich, famous and powerful, etc.
I really don't think that they are able to do what they like --- and merely become puppet heads of whatever power that has placed them in there in the first place.
It is difficult to believe the conspiracy theory that they are 'puppets' and are answerable to some unseen power behind them, who controls who the next successor to be is?
Yet these supposedly people with power, are in constant Public Relations mode, in which they uphold some front of dignity and popularity.
A past president of the USA, goes on a book promotion tour, in which he promotes his own book - does he do it for the PR he generates for himself, or more likely the money he earns from the book sales.
The Queen can't possibly spend her? vast fortune the way she likes to - she is answerable to her own public image, which requires her to be ultra conservative and caring for her brood.
If any of these famous people started acting arrogantly and crudely - surely the public will rise up against them, and say 'off with their heads' and promptly set about the task? Like the French Revolution, Russian revolution etc the ordinary people will topple the almighty.
But there are wheels within wheels in those circles, of which we know not. Who? poisoned the first Pope John Paul. Was it really those who voted him in, in the first place.
There may be some positive aspects about the British royal family - as with other royales in other countries - but once they start acting like a brat pack, the people ought to have the right to dethrone them, at the first opportunity.
The world doesn't want a return to the bad bad bad days of old royalty - who only cared about themselves.
Harvey |
Lada78
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the catholic church is the most successful business! even better than mcdonalds! and find it much easier to get the customers due to the "spiritual" merchandise they offer, lies, lies and more lies my friends, it's all about money and power,as to royal families i believe it's the same old situation, they think they're of divine origin.
memo00 and norberto, i'm mexican too! si desean ponerse en contacto estoy a sus ordenes artlatigo@prodigy.net.mx} |
Der_beobachter
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Secrets of Vatican the World has the Right to know about.
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<<The Vatican's assets are a well-kept secret but one which is the topic of much speculation. Estimates range from $1.5bn to $15bn and more. They include works of art and buildings which for the most part cannot be sold.
Large parts of the Vatican's assets are in securities and gold reserves. Additional assets are in rental revenues, the sale of coins, stamps and souvenirs as well as monies from church taxes in the dioceses and the so-called Peter's penny - a special, annual collection for the pope.>>
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Read continuation here:
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1685114,00.html
And learn more about the "Holy See" who thinks is itself the "Crown of Creation" here:
http://www.gaiaguys.net/666.htm
Der Beobachter Edelweiß
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Phil638
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religions are for the stupid less intelligent gullible people.
phil |
Scott
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Phil,
There are intelligent people who still believe in religious ideas. How much does anyone know at this stage of our evolution? ALL of us have been less intelligent at an earlier stage of our own evolution. Someone traveling from the future and looking at you or me may come to the same conclusion regarding some of the ideas and concepts we have about reality. Religions are a belief system which many have come under the spell of, but that does not make a person stupid or less intelligent. It makes them uniformed about what is considered to be truth. At this stage, many of us can only take what is given to us by Billy as belief because we haven't experienced the truth directly. So we are no better than anyone else...wouldn't you agree? |
Phil638
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Hi scott,
Your right scott, I can't talk for other ppl, I can only talk about myself so I quickly will coz I'ld liked for you to know where I'm coming from.
I was brought up in a strict catholic family enviroment home and in all honesty I never once believed in all that holy smoly religious crap that my mother was forcing down my throat as being gospel truth ever since i was born. When I was 14 and old enough to confront my mother about that matter was the time when I stopped going to sunday church with her. The reason I'm saying this is because I don't have a high I.Q. or consider myself as being any more intelligent or different to the average thinking person out there in todays world, and asked myself many years ago why is there so many gullible ppl out there then?
The other thing I would also like to mention is that I only found out about billy meier a couple of years ago now and would have posted that comment during my teenage years if this were a gaming forum and the topic of religions happen to come up here.
I'm 38 now and from the age of 19 after doing a post graduate diploma course in clinical hypnosis found out for myself that reincarnation is a fact to then know that I am a god and know that there is no other god out there that is greater then ourselves. In other words I didn't need billy's material here to enlighten me to the fact that all religions out there are crap coz all I needed to know is that they (religions) all believe in a god being out there that is greater then themselves is why.
regards phil |
Phil638
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Scott,
I forgot to end with saying that I amicably disagree with ur first comment there about you saying that there are intelligent ppl out there who still believe in religious ideas. I don't believe they are intelligent that they should be considered more intelligent then the average person out there today who's not religious.
I also disagree with ur last comment u said there too. I believe that someone with more intelligence then somebody else is at a higher and at a better stage in their (spiritual?) evolution because higher and more wiser has to be better then lesser.
Also my comment was obviously speaking in the here and now. If we weren't talking about the "now" then it would be a different story then, wouldn't you agree?
On that basis I stand by what I said up there (with the exemption of saying stupid) because I was speaking in the "here and now" and not tommorow or yesterday either, meaning this life. I believe someone's who's at a stage in their evolution where they are wiser then somebody else has to be "better" then them because wiser is better.
on that basis I amicably disagree and stand by what i said before -
religions are for the less intelligent gullible people.
phil |
Phil638
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scott,
I wasn't talking about ppl in the grand scheme of things like maybe you might have thought I was. I was talking about ppl in this life.
regards phil |
Phil638
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I should have just posted that last post I just posted there and left it at that I think now. I can't stand religions and I blame it on religions for getting me going there too.
phil |
Phil638
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I'd also like to say one more thing whilst I'm in the mood for knocking religions. This is to all the religous readers out there reading this thread that go to sunday mass to recieve thier weekly holy blessing
I'm sure everyone still remembers seeing not long back all those religious ppl waiting for long hours outside the vatican to recieve pope john pauls holy blessing whilst he was in his dying days. Now what is a holy blessing? Is it something of a hidden supernatural godly force that helps ppl somehow or is it something else? Are these ppl there coz they feel they committed evil sins and therefore need a blessing from someone who is considered as being the closest person on the planet to god? Do they do this coz they think gods goind to punish them later somehow and therefore need all the holy blessings they can get? Would you like to know what I think happens whenever pope john paul waves a holy blessing to the crowd?
I think that absolutely nothing happens when pope john paul comes out and waves a holy blessing to the crowd and its all a complete waste of everyones time. If there was a genuine reason for him waving like that such as shooing away a fly i'ld say, fair enough there was a good reason for him to be doing that. But as it stands all i can say is what a complete waste of time it was for all them ppl waiting to watch an old man come out and wave his hand. He might as well have been waving to the dunny wall while the old farts whinging about his hemerriod pains.
phil |
Ascension
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A blessing is silly yes, but I dont think they intend it to do anything. Its an old custom made up long before jesus lived. It just signifies that the pope likes the people or somthing along those lines. |
Phil638
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I know Ascension, I was just mucking about there was all.
btw, in the last sentence there - dunny in Oz means toilet if any wondering. |
Joseph_emmanuel
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| | Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 07:55 am: |
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I think we are wrong to mock religions and those who follow religions. Religion in itself is a valuable source of information, even though much of it may be false. It encourages thought, which, if you are a thinking person, you will inevitably be drawn to. Let's not forget that Billy himself was compelled to study the world's major religions. This wasn't just so that he could have the ammunition he needed to counter his ciritcs. It was also because it served to encourage his inquisitive nature. I myself would not have come to know of FIGU had it not been for religion.
In addition I would also like to say that religion offers people moral support and spiritual direction, something that science has completely neglected to do over the last 100 years because most likely many scientists feel that this is something each individual should work out for himself, not to mention that morality and spirituality aren't scientific fields - at least not as we understand them. But I feel this is where science has gone wrong, for when it took the place of religion in western society, it failed to replace the belief in god, and as a result it has created a society that has no moral or spiritual direction. Although religion has been the cause of many deaths throughout history, it nevertheless instilled discipline. Science has caused many deaths over the last 100 years, and if there is going to be another world war, it will cause more deaths than all the religions put together because of a lack of discipline, of responsibility.
Ultimately we must each accept moral and spiritual responsibilty for ourselves. There is no one here who doesn't understand that. But that is not my point. My point is science is failing us just as religion has failed us, and people will always need some guidance, if only to encourage them to think for themselves. |
Junior
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| | Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 10:59 pm: |
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Dear Readers,
I am just wondering if any one could provide me with info regards the prophet Mohammed and islam, maybe articles i didn't come across. Mainly focused at the moment what Billy mentiones, I have the booklet "Those who lie about contacts." if i am not mistaken with the title.
Or at least if you know of other materials of Billy that contain related issues even if in german.
Peace to all, and one Love
Junior
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Phil638
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| | Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 02:57 pm: |
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Hi Joseph_emmanuel,
just in regards to this comment of yours here -
I think we are wrong to mock religions and those who follow religions. Religion in itself is a valuable source of information, even though much of it may be false. It encourages thought, which, if you are a thinking person, you will inevitably be drawn to.
I personally believe that these religous people would be a whole lot better off without their religion and if all religous people were without religion, then I think that the whole world would definitely be in so much more of a better place too then where its at now. Thats why I feel that whenever I'm in a position where I'm communicating with one of these people or where I'm discussing religions, I'm not scared to bag critizism towards them and their religions. Its like when and where you see thats something is wrong and you enlighten to the fact that its wrong. I don't see that theres much wrong with doing that.
phil |
Dplotmach
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| | Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 06:25 pm: |
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http://www.hiddencodes.com/
This is a very interesting site about the bible-code. The woman who is interpreting these "codes" are very religious. But I think the codes themselves represent the truth in many ways, and actually corresponds to what meier states about Saul, bush jr, cheney, solana (?) and others, as one of the Beasts. Check it out yourselves and make up your own opinion. |
Der_beobachter
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Hello Dplotmach,
"...People have slaughtered each other in wars, inquisitions, and political actions for centuries and still kill each other over beliefs in religions, political ideologies, and philosophies. These belief-systems, when stated as propositions, may appear mystical, and genuine to the naive, but when confronted with a testable bases from reason and experiment, they fail miserably. I maintain that beliefs create more social problems than they solve and that beliefs, and especially those elevated to faith, produce the most destructive potential to the future of humankind...- Jim Walker originated: 29 March 1997 - The problems with beliefs"
Take a good look here Dplotmach:
http://www.gaiaguys.net/666.htm
The real hidden "code" is shown there to the world.
Spread the link above to the whole planet Earth.
And this link is about the bunch of losers that rule this planet.
http://www.gaiaguys.net/Herodesmason.htm
TJ 21:29. Hütet euch daher derr irren und verfälschten Lehren der Zukunft, die mich als Sohn der Schöpfung beschimpfen werden und als Sohn Gottes.
TJ 21:29. "Therefore, beware of the false and adulterated future teachings that will insult me when they call me the Son of Creation and the Son of God. (TJ Chapter 21)
TJ 21:30. Aus diesen irren Lehren nämlich werden Lügen gewickelt, und durch sie wird die Welt viel Not und Elend leiden.
TJ 21:30. "From these false teachings, lies will be spun, and because of them the world will suffer much deprivation and misery. (TJ Chapter 21)
TJ 26:37. So du das Land der Hellen wirst mit deiner irren Lehre in Knechtschaft eines bösen Kultes legen, so wirst du mich in ihrer Sprache den Gesalbten nennen.
TJ 26:37. "Just as you will bind the land of the Greeks to an evil religious cult because of your false teachings, so you will call me "the Anointed" in their language. (TJ Chapter 26: Jmmanuel speaking to Saul/Paul.) *
TJ 26:38. "It will be your fault, due to your lack of understanding, that they will call me Jesus Christ, which means 'the Anointed.' (TJ Chapter 26)
TJ 26:38. Es wird sein die Schuld deines Unverstandes, dass man mich nennen wird den Jesus Christus, was da heisst der Gesalbte.*
Der Beobachter Edelweiß
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Joseph_emmanuel
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 05:48 am: |
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Hi Phil
People would be better of without religion insofar that it has had no influence on their thinking whatsoever, or that they have learnt to live without it. If, however, religion is a major part of their lives, they would not be better off (at least not in any swift sense) because then it is going to upset the balance of their material consciousness and psychological make-up.
I don’t know that the world would be better off without religion. Religion inspires a thinking person to seek after truth, knowledge and wisdom. Without it where would such a person look? There is no guarantee that he will learn about FIGU. In fact, it is through religion that I myself came to FIGU, although I have never been religious in the sense of adhering to a religion. But as a thinking person I have always sought out religious knowledge. In any case, if people do not mislead through religion, they mislead through politics, and would the world be better off without politics too? It would be better off without our corrupt form of politics, but then so it would be better off without our corrupt form of religion.
I can’t imagine a world without religion. It is a shame that this word has been tainted by so much deception. I think religion in itself, as a body of knowledge, is a perfect medium to convey truth, knowledge and wisdom, such as can be found here on this site.
The fact is, it isn’t religion that is corrupt but the people who have a monopoly on it. For this reason, it isn’t religion that religious folk would be better of without, but the corrupt leaders of religion, the liars and distorters. |
Phil638
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hi Joseph_emmanuel,
you made a couple of good points there to a couple of things that i had overlooked or didn't consider of. Thanks for enlightening me on them there and for your time you spent in offering me your worthwhile opinion on that matter there too.
phil |
Norm
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Am I getting this right, so you guys like religion even if its teaching you false & wrong info?  |
Mgilbo1
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HI Joseph_emmanuel..
"I can’t imagine a world without religion. "
Its very easy to try. What can't you imagine??? What about religion do you think the world can't live without?
"In any case, if people do not mislead through religion, they mislead through politics, and would the world be better off without politics too?"
Its funny but politics was created from religion which is why most governments lie, cheat, steal, kill, plunder and more. The same type of irrational thinking is seen in politics as in religion.
While most can't imagine a world without religion, we here can't help but wait for that day to come.
Mark Gilbo
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Jo_jo
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 11:25 pm: |
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Religion inspires a thinking person to seek after truth, knowledge and wisdom. Without it where would such a person look?
Look to nature, the source from which we came. |
Joseph_emmanuel
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| | Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 05:19 am: |
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Hi Norm
My first instinct when I read your comment above was to laugh. I thought it was very funny.
I don’t think it is a matter of whether or not we (or I) like religion. The error we seem to make on this site is confuse religion with deception, lies, falsehood, delusions, etc., when in fact these are signs of human involvement and shouldn’t reflect on religion as a medium. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, these are inferior examples of religion, and we should be wise enough to understand that without prejudicing ourselves against the true potential of religion, which is to dissimilate true knowledge. A bad scientist’s influence on the public won’t reflect on science in general, merely on his science. Likewise, a false prophet or minister of wisdom shouldn’t reflect on religion in general, merely on his religion. |
Joseph_emmanuel
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| | Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 05:46 am: |
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Mark
I think religion represents humanity’s pursuit of true knowledge and wisdom. As long as this desire continues to exist within each of us religion will always exist among us in one form or another. I think FIGU is a form of religion. But before any of you begin to express your disagreement, I don’t say that FIGU is comparable to Christianity or Islam or Judaism. As I carefully pointed out in the above post, these are inferior examples of religion. FIGU, on the other hand, I consider a superior example of religion. For me FIGU represents the true potential of religion.
You say that members of FIGU anticipate the day when religion no longer exists. If this is what you think, then your understanding of religion is narrow-minded. |
Joseph_emmanuel
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| | Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 05:58 am: |
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Jo Jo
Yes, I agree, nature is the place to look. But religion is the bank along which the river runs |
David_chance
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| | Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:27 am: |
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There is some discussion in Contact 32 about religion having some value; there is also discussion & definition of the terms “relegeon” & “religion”. For example, Plejaren negative remarks about religion are only "addressed to a certain form of religion", "the uninformed ones are sure to think that all religion is being discredited" (translation in Stevens). And further on in the same contact: "When hitherto Semjase only spoke of Earth religions in negative form, then it was because the Earth human had to be made attentive to the error in his religions…”; “…Your religions still contain real worth, but this becomes so indiscernible that only few people are able to see the effective truth there.” There is more about this topic in “Asket's Explanation Of February 14, 1953 In The Mountain Range At The Dead Sea In Jordan” (found in Kontaktberichte Block 1 & in Stevens’ CD “Contact From The DAL Universe”). |
Norm
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"I think religion represents humanity's pursuit of true knowledge and
wisdom."
I thought that was Science's job. And we can see how narrow minded they are with their own Dogma! |
Junior
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| | Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 06:18 am: |
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Dear All
A point I wanted to share with every one
It seems to me the Koran will eventually need to be cleared up by some one in contact with the Plajarens, the same as it was done with the Talmud of Jmmanuel with regard to Christianity.
As I see it, Islam is the most recent religion and therefore the hardest to convince its followers that the Koran could have been altered. especially if the prophecy or prediction I am not sure which one becomes true, about the end of Christianity, then the world will have to deal with Islam which will be a source of pain in the future for sure.
Although I understand that Islam was only half truth. I am sure the truth that was mentioned will explain a lot of what has been misunderstood since early days till this day. Plus I am sure the clear up will show even more similarities than today between Islam and the true teachings. But in any case who ever would be ready to put this task upon his shoulder will have to go through a lot. As the law in most Islamic countries in regard to Islam research and interpretations in other ways then it should, would be beheading. As the view of today if one is trying to show an alternative view to any portion of Islam would be seen as trying to alter the religion which beheading is the law for such an act. So the person would be in most cases better of not living in a non Islamic country, which might be hard in the future but will surely need quite a bit protection... as it looks like Islam will be still in control for a bit longer than Christianity.
From what I observed with Arabs are that although they are mostly Muslims they tend to cheat, lie, deceive, take advantage…etc much more than Christian believers or even non-Arab Muslims. Very disturbing, but this showed me that religion doesn’t have any thing to do with making good people or negative people. If people were truly morel and act in ways of trust and respect to others regardless of their faith origin and so on, we wouldn’t have any problems of war and famine...etc, it just seems that people haven’t thought what the people in power are doing.
I just remembered something I came across, once I heard that there was a time in Islam when the Islamic governments didn’t know who to give a sort of obligatory charity in Islam (Not sure whats is called in English but in Arabic its ”Zakah” or “Zakat”) any way, as most people had what they need to live and survive there was no need for charity. Showing that such a place could exist even with Islam although, as someone mentioned in a previous post that there might be no spiritual progress or evolution. I don’t believe that one wouldn’t progress. As long as you “Think” you will progress. Remember time is an illusion, as long as one doesn't generate negative thoughts, I see no harm.
Peace to all, and one Love
Junior
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Joseph_emmanuel
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Norm
Both science and religion, as well as philosophy, represent humanity's pursuit for true knowledge and wisdom. The only difference is that science attempts to answer our questions through experiment, religion through inner experience and philosophy through logic.
I think there may come a day (in the distant future) where all three will meet and form one body. |
Mgilbo1
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"I think religion represents humanity’s pursuit of true knowledge and wisdom,"
Whether or not we had religion, pursuit of knowledge cannot be stopped. I have been to church 3 times in my life and that was when I was really young. I would say my knowledge and my pursuit of it, has not been hindered because of a lack of religion. In reality it has been enhanced because my views are MINE not the churches. So your point that religion is the true pursuit is questionable. Everyone has a burning desire to know the truth and answer the basic questions of: why were here?, how did we get here? Religions stop people from searching for the real truth by giving EASY answers that no one can verify if they are true or not.
Yes there are some basic value in religion, but again its clouded in the hocus pocus hysteria. There is no difference in todays mainstream religions and a witch doctor, except that the witch doctor never passed around a bowl to collect money.
Mark Gilbo
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Edward
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Hi All...
I would surely agree with what David posted.
The Concept of Religion is not that bad as One may desire it to be. It is,
again, in which manner the concept of Religion is Interpreted and
Translated. Religion...just Forms "The Basics" for Humans to grasp Life's
Parables and other Mysteries and Riddles....and so forth. And through this
concept, man LEARNS to UNDERSTAND the Parables of Life...and which leads
him to "BELIEVE" in what he has just Grasped. As most of us will
Acknowledge: BELIEVING and Religion go Hand In Hand. So, it is for the
Younger Spirit-Forms to utilize and practice this form to "Comprehension"
format and to Sustain his Conviction of what he has learned before him.
But, alas...Religion can become a Collision!
Religion, when DISTORTED and ALTERED...to a point, can make it manifest
itself into a "Vicious Monster", or "Beast"...because of its "Beastly
Acts", which then would Automatically form itself into the format of "The
Beast of Un-reason and Illogic", thus..in the value of the "666" The
Number Of The BEAST. Which than speaks for itself: Does Not correspond
and is in No way Related to what Nature and Creation stands for. It is than,
a Negative Source or Power/Energy...of its own: Which apposes the laws of
Creation.
Alas, the Religion here on Earth..which is known to us as Christianity..
embodies the mentioned above! No other Man-made Concept Of Religion has
ever measured to such an extent as it. It is Distorted and Altered to pure
Collision! And as I would say myself: Religion Is Collision! This title
surely relates to the mentioned.
If Jmmanuel's Teachings were not Falsified, Distorted and Altered as it
has become, it would Still...BE "A TRUE" and Positive Religion!! And be
the Positive Basics of Life for those whom seek Truth. And in time, this
Religion of Believing...would manifest itself as "The True Facts Of Life"
and what Man Sought, and thus...in time...Man Will not Believe in it
anymore..but.."Acknowledge" it as Truth, and thus Acknowledging it as
"TRUTH and KNOWING". Now the Consciousness of the Human Being has
become "Cognizant" to these Truths of Life...and are mature to accept
these Wisdom's and Acknowledgements of The Teachings of the Laws Of
Nature And Creation: And Comprehend Creational "Relegeon".
WHAT IS RELIGION? WHAT IS RELEGEON?
To define the difference between religion and relegeon, the spirit plane
ARAHAT ATHERSATA has disclosed the following:
Chapter IV, Evolution, Verses 75-80
75. Only relegeon must be used for evolution - never religion as
implemented according to your current concepts on Earth.
76. In order to experience evolution, the truth, wisdom, mastery,
knowledge, love and others must be gathered and united once again from
currently existing principles.
77. Yet, a religious-type format, that is, a reverse link, destroys
relegeon already in its basic substance and prevents it from ever finding
fertile ground.
78. A relegeon format alone is capable of inducing profound successes -
religious formats can never accomplish this.
79. From relegeon originates effective knowledge, which results in further
wisdom and knowledge.
80. These, in turn, ensure that the path of evolution may be entered into
through both forms.
Relegeon is the factor leading back toward the Creative Truth, toward the
Ur-Truth of all Creative growth.
Expressed in a religious sense, religion implies a reverse-bond to a god,
respectively a creator, within the constraints of religions, to whom man
must subordinate himself.
Edward. |
Dplotmach
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Post Number: 65
Registered: 09-2004
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I guess you mean Relegeon interfered with, instead of religion distorted. The Extra-Terrestrial engagement in enlightening the earth-human has failed several times. I guess you could say that the human for thousands of years ago, was about to form a more refined relegeon, based on their co-existence with creation, NATURE. The extra-terrestrials has messed all this up with their desire to pass on "hard-to-comprehend" information. It was the wrong time. The earth-human was in a stage where relegeons was about to be established ,belief in "higher powers", fear of "the evil", worshipping "the good". To force hardgained and difficult creation-truths on a people I recon was on the evolutionary-state "2.5" (as in the contact-note 6 with semjase), was a terrible mistake. And then trying to repair it by sending Immanuel and Muhammed, made it even worse. We are suffering from the ring-effects(?) of this violation against natural laws. We are trapped in a hell both self-created and from an external-force. That the ET's did not know this is a mystery for me. It's the predecessor for christian mission, which are even worse, based on that they are passing on distorted creational-truths. But that is mainly not our fault. Nor is it the ET's fault, we are trapped in this material "hell", all of us, and we have to learn from sometimes BIG mistakes. I understand the fear of UFO's in the people, because we might have the "feeling" that tells them they are going to do exactly what they have done several thousands of years ago. So thank creation for the help the Plejarens now are giving us, guided by higher spiritforms.
Comments?
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Kingman
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 07-2004
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My personal experience was a short lived exposure to a once a week, after public school, catholic religious teaching. By my third day, at age 7, I began asking questions and when told to just listen and learn I began disrupting the classroom and was soon sent to the head father. The next time I was to go to this class I hid from my parents so they couldn't bring me. They stopped trying, even though my two brothers continued to go. I know now why.
These events I fought against even when I didn't know why helped me remain less decided on what real truth was. Now that I've began the process of learning the truth of Creation, which will obviously continue until my death, I am again sensing my spirit grow as never before. Religion is not what it advertise's, and that alone defeats it as a vehicle for man's evolution. There are no reasons to defend something where the 'bad' grossly outweighs the 'good'. Evolution only works if there is a polarity, but not one that maintains a unbalanced polarity.
I like this part of learning, where the truth is hidden in plain sight and there are no 'high priest' getting in the way.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Phil638
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Post Number: 109
Registered: 07-2004
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My parents sent me to a strict catholic secondary college and thats where I got into similar trouble's as Kingman of me often disrupting the classroom . I remember one question I asked Father Orielly in one of the first religious study classes I had there was - "if god is infinate and everywhere, then he must have the devil and hell inside of him, because where god is, the devil cannot be. Its like mathematics, in that when the error or problem is found it would cease to exist". Father Oreilly frowned and got upset at me and told me to stop thinking those thoughts, obviously because of how it made him look bad in front of the class because he had no answer to give me there is why. I in turn got upset with father orrielly for him getting upset with me there over me asking a simple question.
From then on I started to develop a great dislike for religions because I dislike the notion of being given and told to accept something as being a truth without questioning it, but just to accept it as the truth out of faith is all.
If god was based on science instead of faith where religious studies is taught troughout the world today, this sort of thing would never be happening to people.
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Dplotmach
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Post Number: 74
Registered: 09-2004
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How the hech is a religious person who wants to be free, supposed to break the "christian spell"?
What is possible to do for oneself? |
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