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    Leann Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hello Everyone, Have you seen this?!! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16840066/site/newsweek/ | ||
Fedor New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2007 |
PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- An unknown number of new George Washington dollar coins were mistakenly struck without their edge inscriptions, including "In God We Trust," and made it past inspectors and into circulation, the U.S. Mint said Wednesday. Dear Billy, did you influence this? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1115 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, There is an interesting phenomena that I have observed/experienced recently. I have a woman friend who is highly religious and has been most of her life. When I have talked with her on the phone or in person, I get the impression or feeling from her, which affects me by somehow reducing my awareness in such a way that I feel very narrowed down in my perceptions. It is hard to describe this, but I have noticed it more than once. Today, I went to a funeral and throughout the funeral it turned into a religious ceremony, with lots of quotations from the Bible etc..Needless to say, I again experienced this same feeling like part of me was shutting down...very weird...Also the Pastor, said to everyone, now lets put our heads down and pray...This to me was a direct form of submission to something that was supposed to be greater than myself, and therefore I must bow down...I thought if everyone is praying to Heaven etc...why are we putting our heads down, shouldn't we at least be looking upwards to the heavens...  One of the consequences of this, is that she has passed or almost forced her kids into this belief system whether they like it or not. One of her daughters who is 16, tends to be just a bit more resistive to these ideas than the rest. Recently she asked me what happens after death. I told her in so many words that our spirit does come back to life after a rest in the "spirit world" . She said oh you mean reincarnation, and I said yes. Afterwards I thought, you know it's almost seems natural for kids to understand and want to know what is true if they are not coerced and badgered with false teachings and beliefs. Thanks for listening.. Scott | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 469 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Scott Yeah I understand where you're coming from there Scott. A number of months ago, I held the father of my friends to his last breath who died of cancer after suffering for some couple of years. The final moments where friends and family members were all gathered together in the hospital room witnessing the heavy heaving of each struggled breath whilst he remained unconscious was difficult. Anyway after his passing a priest and fellow church congregants entered the crowded hospital room and performed a ceremonious praying and blessing of the departed. Of course through all this I felt numb and suffered some kind of headache as it seem to be passed on to others around me. As the procession of prayers were said and bible reading were performed every time the word 'GOD' was said, I replaced it with 'CREATION" thinking that it might make a little difference. I don't know what it is about church going GOD believer but being packed into a small hospital room with numerous congregants and a priest is like walking through a force field of some kind where your psyche and body feels stripped of reasoning the thinking ability and there in place 'arrested development' occurs. It was wierd cheers Matt | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 580 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Bianca, In reply to your questions @ http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/3609.html#POST25858 which I just noticed. As I’ve previously suggested, it’s safe to assume that a “hit list” of sorts would be drawn up, not just an ad hoc, “She looks Jewish! Grab her!” type arraignment. And aside from being barking mad, these NAZI- types (as opposed to National Socialists, per se, of course) are filthy white-supremacists who would probably be targeting those with the “wrong kind” of appearance, not those who looked like them. So it would not be so much a religious persecution as a racial persecution, in my opinion, but religion would be the motivation of the attackers, I've little doubt. If 60,000 women were attacked in Sweden, the number here in Australia would probably be proportionally smaller, but – who knows – the place stinks of NAZIs. But … really … fact is stranger than fiction, and often more horrible. Salome, Dyson | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 465 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Scott ; That was one of those moments where you really do help the world to evolve , one person at a time . Ironically , in in a church . Perfect . I've made comments like that to people who were getting super religious around me, and they would respond with ...."really?" . There is a good reason for this . A lot of religious people don't really know what their book says , they just pick things up here and there . When you announce that resurrection really means reincarnation , you start them thinking , and thinking is always a stronger force than blind belief. Salome , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 221 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Scott, I've experienced very similar occurrences with a relative of mine who earlier in her life she was a steady church goer and always seemed to minimize my clear thinking when speaking with her. And now as she has left the church and her bible speak, she teaches educational skills to other teachers and I can articulate much more than ever before. I'm not sure if it was her narrow view in the beginning that kept conversation awkward and myself off balance, or that she became more educated and allowed me to access more of my clarity later on. I get the same effect in a minor way when the religious peddlers attempt to sell their beliefs door to door. I go to answer their knock and before I open the door I feel a smidgen of confused thoughts and I know it's them again. It seems more noticeable with these types of people, but I get something like it from some less spiritually thoughtful people as well, but not as a rule. I would guess and say that some people who have a clear understanding of who they are don't project mixed thoughts from their beliefs. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 582 Registered: 03-2004 |
"these NAZI- types (as opposed to National Socialists, per se, of course) are filthy white-supremacists" I worded that very poorly. I meant to imply that not all these vile people would be genuine card-carriers of some deutsche NAZI Partei. Dyson | ||
Mike Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 01-2007 |
Dear forum friends, Thank you Scott for recent posting (March 18, 2007 - 06:40 pm) This is a very interesting discussion; it has resurfaced memories and experiences from my school days. Hope no one here minds me sharing some of my experiences with religion. I was brought up in strict catholic schools from a young age; my many years in those schools with religion of course top of the agenda have been painful to say the least, as a four year old starting school in such an environment I immediately took an aversion / sickness to the whole system. I was the round peg that they tried to beat into the square hole (literally). This was all quite a shock to a young boy. The religion I was forcefully taught in school did not seem right, there was something inherently wrong with it, but I could not explain exactly what was wrong. My parents did not know what was wrong with me; they called for one of the local priests on more than one occasion to “fix me”, this was done I suspect out of love and concern, it seems that a young boy talking about strange things and doing strange things was not acceptable as I found out. My thoughts were elsewhere, I guess looking back now it could be described as “thinking & doing outside of the box” and having different viewpoints which reflected in my speech and art. I paid the price for who I was, my speech became less and my art disappeared, unfortunately to this day I am still recovering, however my awareness has slowly come out of hiding as it were and I am discovering new ideas and experiences and receiving help from the most unexpected of places (which I am now aware of), recently discovering this forum is perhaps one facet of that help! I guess there is always hope and if anything good has come out of it, it is this…I now know the sweet after knowing the bitter. I don’t hold anyone to blame (for reasons I am now aware of) for what I have been through and what religion has done to me by “them” in the name of god. It is my sincerest of wishes that for our future generations that school would be a place of great learning, excitement and enhancement. Learning not only of the physical world and our place within it, but also how each child is shown how spiritually connected they are to the source, call it “creation” if you will, without all the dogma. It will be a celebration of each Childs uniqueness knowing also that within that uniqueness that each one of them can never possibly be alone because we are all connected to each other including other beings throughout the universe through our one common denominator “consciousness”. We are therefore not separate or greater than nature but we an integral part of it to celebrate itself and to progress one day to a stage where we can take our rightful place among the stars and be known as a thoughtful, enlightened, knowledgeable and loving race of humans from the planet Earth. These are my thoughts with honesty Mike | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 477 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Mike Thanks for sharing your unique and intimate personal experience Mike. It seem to become more apparent that those who comprise of this forum and others who are drawn to FIGU often come from humble and modest beginnings. Yet how ironic that there appears to be a common prerequisite attributes of not necessarily fitting into the norms of society and being castigated by others as different that has led many who are drawn here with such a common experience. Being raised a catholic myself who for some unknown reasons didn't fully embrace the religion when other family members have, perplexes me also at how one could come to unconsciously resist the indoctrination. Anyway the sentiments you've echoed rings true in many heads of those who have somewhat comprehended Billy teachings and will reinforce this view as time goes by. btw all the best wishes on your new found journey Mike. cheers Matt | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 468 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Mike ; You've come to the right place . Thanks for your story . Enjoy the study . Kind Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 644 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Jacobus, I'm bringing this over from the "Pleiadians/Plejarens" thread. You write,"Did you know that, at the age of 22, Dr. Steven M. Greer, moved to Israel and lived there for three years, working at the world headquarters of the Bahá'í religion on Mount Carmel in Haifa?This guy is not what he appears to be...(So, the possibility does then exist that CSETI could have indeed been created for that purpose of diverting essential attention away from Billy Meier's evidence.) Steven Greer just don't want us to know about his little secret." Yes. I knew this and it is not a secret to anyone who did as we ask on our opening page and read his latest book, BEHIND THE SCENES. www.gaiaguys.net/behindthescenes.htm I don’t have my notes to hand here just now, but he explains to us idiots that a prophet is not a human being, but is an entirely different species, and the next one is scheduled in a thousand years time (according to his [Bafath] religion) therefore ….. anybody claiming to be a prophet is nothing less than a dirty rotten scoundrel, blasphemer, charlatan, heretic, etc. etc. etc !!!!!!!!!!!! This he KNOWS! Do you REALLY think that he hasn’t been messed with, you know, upstairs in the brain department? “They” also want to live, so they know that Disclosure is as inevitable as the dawn, but THEY WILL HAVE IT ON THEIR OWN TERMS, right? Such is life on planet Earth! :-( Salome, Dyson | ||
Jacobus Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 07-2006 |
Salome Dyson, What has become overwhelmingly clear to me throughout these years , is that the majority of people will always act for the benefit. Where there is no benefit, there is no action. Why would Steve be an exception? Why would he, and people like him, painstakingly put this work together, without a sense of guaranteed reward at the end of the road? And why would our pastor be belching out his deceitful "little" lies just for the hell of it? The thing is they won't, and they never will do anything for nothing. Now this is where selfishness and greed comes into the picture. There really is nothing much to it, our behaviour is surprisingly predictable. We are a bunch of apes! A person like Dr Stevie, being one of the more hairier ones for sure! | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 649 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Jacobus, I've got to stick up for Greer here. He cops the same calumny from the 666 people as Billy and for the same reasons. His contribution was unique with the Disclosure Project, and I don't think he can be entirely blamed for being mucked with since. Read up a little more about the Disclosure Project, and you'll see what I mean. www.gaiaguys.net/disclosurepage.htm If we trash Greer (Disclosure Project) then we trash the best hope there is for UFO Disclosure. I’m also a DP witness (www.gaiaguys.net/radar.story.htm) and it is a vital initiative and Greer is no moron. Creation does not demand that you sacrifice your life for the truth. Imagine if Billy lived in the USA, how well he’d do. As is, he had to shut up about Apollo 11 for years and is only leaking the WTC stuff out slowly as we wake up to THAT hoax. It’s a dangerous planet inhabited by very barbaric creatures. I think Greer is well motivated, but misguided by false religious teachings like almost everybody in the 1st World. First things first, eh? Let’s put an end to shadow government - the military/industrial coverup of UFO's, black shelf, back-engineered free-energy devices, (electromedicine, telecommunications, etc.etc.etc.etc.) - and identify SDI (Star Wars) for what it really is … offensive weaponry against ETs. The REAL ET's can then come later. Break up the crusted hard ground before sowing your seeds. Salome, Dyson P.S. And we are not a bunch of apes, we just act that way because we generally don't know any better and are encouraged to do so. We can think and use words to exchange our thoughts and spiritually evolve into perfect oneness with Creation. Apes can't ever do that. | ||
Jacobus Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 07-2006 |
Respect Dyson, At the end of the day, who am I to put judgement on anybody in the first place? It definitely is one of the worst things a person can do, to judge others. So, I confess, guilty as charged. Steve is probably a perfectly, nice guy. Honestly , I am really not even in the position to babble on about all this stuff. Two years from now I might be saying, "What the hell was i thinking back then?" You know? Ideas change. Old ones usually get replaced by new ones. So, that is why I don't and shouldn't be taking myself seriously. Life is too short. Jakes P.S. I guess I'll have to agree with you. We are not a bunch of insane apes, that would be giving them a bad name. Surely there must be somewhere in the universe where you will find some life form degenerate enough to be accurately compared to us humans.  | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 663 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Jacobus, You write, "Surely there must be somewhere in the universe where you will find some life form degenerate enough to be accurately compared to us humans." Gosh! I HOPE not! Cheers! Dyson P.S. We are taught not to hesitate to judge ACTS (in other words, RESIST EVIL), but never to judge the human, as such, who commits the evil. It's a fine but critical distinction. And yes, it gives apes a bad name! | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 498 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum Today marks another sad and sombre day in history where Jesus Christ had died for his people's sins and resurrected on this day. In the memory of the Lord Jesus Christ, many branches of the faith had ecumenical processions all over the globe with the pope cleaning the foot of 12 children as a symbolic act in which Jesus had performed on his disciples. Cardinal George Pell of Australia voiced with optimism that since 911 more people are turning to Christianity. It's incredibly mind boggling sight to see so many devotees of religion faithfully paying homage to the lord Jesus Christ every year on this day. Yet how disgusting it is that chocolate eggs are flung around, tossed hither dither like chicken feed for children to joyously succumb to their sweet tooth whilst unbeknownst to them, the batton of delusion will be passed on to them in the future. The sight of madness, the sheer delusion of faith, the quakery of belief, the mad obsession of religious fervor, the misguided devotion of people, the fracturing of sanity, of the waste of precious time for nothing, the devoid of substance that which is fiction, and of the belief in the lies that religion is. I can never even remotely come to terms with falling in love with my own imagined fictitious figure let alone revel in fantasy filled fiction that is the bible. People have been and will continue to be duped. By people believing it, they make a mockery out of themselves yet how can we blame them if they don't know any better. Today is really truly a sombre and sad day indeed The horrific sight of millions of zombies with their body snatched by something that never was and never existed is truly truly a scary thought to contemplate. Where have all the real people gone Long time ago Where have all the innocence gone Long time ago Where have all the real truths gone Gone to religion everyone When will they ever learn When will they e v e r learn cheers Matt | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 225 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Matt, Jesus, as a fictional character, never deserved the "lord" title.As other people say in political forums (thinkprogress in my case) "please do not feed the troll". Here i would say "please do not feed Jeeesas, the religious troll".Better to use the infamous phrase "he who shall not be named" instead. The rest of your comment i agree with you 100%.Those poor individuals have chosen to live in ignorance.The problem for us is that we are 5000 and they are 5 billion.A little outnumbered. But today's metaphor is the movie "300" (i haven't watched it yet).We can be in numerical inferiority, but we have the necessary knowledge and wisdom that can lead a small minority to victory.And nothing can go wrong if your commander in chief is a harmless swiss farmer who billions of years ago, equipped with an army of androids was able to defeat a whole bunch of inept and arrogant Darth Vader wannabes. We already know the outcome of this battle against religion.Question is, when will it end and at what cost. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 139 Registered: 01-2006 |
"I can never even remotely come to terms with falling in love with my own imagined fictitious figure let alone revel in fantasy filled fiction that is the bible." Hi Matt, I feel the same as you. Having Italian parents, I was brought up in a strict catholic family enviroment, and ever since I can remember, I never once believed in any of that religous crap that both my parents were trying to force down my throat! But looking back now in hindsight, I think having a number 7 at the top of my numerology chart might of had something to do (helped) with that. | ||
Bass_boy New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2007 |
What Billy has said about religion has been proven. Here you go: http://www.physorg.com/news95050991.html Rob | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 226 Registered: 04-2006 |
I think Billy not only refers to genetic heritage, but also educational heritage. When you receive christian baptism when you are a baby, that is also religious heritage. When you watch your parents pray to a fictional being you wonder why they do it.If your parents consider religion to be a vital tool for life, providing faith,prayer,safety... they will use all their authority at their disposal to convey such "great values" (submission,false humanitarism,deception, hipocrisy) to their child.Worst thing here is that they think they do it on behalf of the child.But they do exactly the opposite, being 110% wrong. At that early age you have not had the chance to grow a "reality shield" or "consciousness shield" in order to offset your parental religious bullsh*t.As a result, 5 billion consciousness-enslaved semihumans live on this planet.Religion is such an infectious-contagious mind disease. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 504 Registered: 07-2005 |
Yes dear fellow members, our aversion to the title and the name 'Jesus Christ' is an apt expression of our own refinement towards that which is the truth. The name evokes an undertone of disdain and revulsion for its destructive connotation and ramifications to the society at large which cannot be reconciled in any shape or form other than its complete demise and destruction. There is just no other way towards progress if sundry saints both real and fictitious keeps popping up out of the heads of so many people who believe in this nonsense. Yet fellas we all share the same sentiment here about religion as we all should, its a sure sign that we have unequivocally jumped the fence and landed safely on this side. Hector where did you get the figure 5000 In my estimation, those who are truly devoted to Billy's teachings I thought were somewhere in the vicinity of tens of thousands. Tony, I am like you, I was raised a catholic but I was subconsciously resistent from the beginning and it has never taken root in me. So was the number 7 life path, expression or hearts desire number Tony? Welcome back Rob after some long absence from this forum. cheers Matt | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 140 Registered: 01-2006 |
Matt, I take it you meant to say to me "So WHY the number 7 life path...." Because I figured me having the number 7 at the top of my numerology chart must of helped me in some way to see through all the religous crap my parents were trying to force me to believe. (I even remember at the age of around 8 believing in life on other planets too, when I heard no info of ufo's anywhere about it.) http://www.decoz.com/ A Decoz Numerology Chart Analysis for Eduard Meier Birth data: Eduard Albert Meier February 3, 1937 Your Life Path is 7 Eduard , you are the searcher and the seeker of the truth. You have a clear and compelling sense of yourself as a spiritual being. As a result, your life path is devoted to investigations into the unknown, and finding the answers to the mysteries of life. You are well-equipped to handle your task. You possess a fine mind; you are an analytical thinker, capable of great concentration and theoretical insight. You enjoy research, and putting the pieces of an intellectual puzzle together. Once you have enough pieces in place, you are capable of highly creative insight and practical solutions to problems. Eduard , you enjoy your solitude and prefer to work alone. You need time to contemplate your ideas without the intrusion of other people's thoughts. You are a lone wolf, a person who lives by his own ideas and methods. As a result, close associations are difficult for you to form and keep, especially marriage. You need your space and privacy, which, when violated, can cause you great frustration and irritation. With your abilities to learn, analyze, seek out answers to life's important questions, you have the potential for enormous growth and success in life. By the time you reach middle age, you will radiate refinement and wisdom. Pythagoras loved the seven for its great spiritual potential. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/6816.html?1166779231 Matt, where did you get this figure of tens of thousands of people that are truly devoted to Billy's teachings? I thought the figure would be measured in the tens of hundreds. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 508 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Tony Tony it was just my guesstimatation Seeing as as of contact 232nd, Friday, November 17, 1989, 0:37am Ptaah stated that there were 3,406 peace meditation participants on earth, this was some 17 years and nearly 5 months ago, I would imagine that with the advent of the internet and other technological breakthroughs not to mention the tireless efforts of the core 49 plus Michael Horn, Dr Deadorff, Gaiaguys, and others, Iam thinking the takeup of Billy's spiritual message would have arisen quite a lot since then. Although this is not absolute, those that perform the PM would have passed the preliminary hurdles to get to the point where they have become PM participants, I therefore conclude that they are truly a true devotees to the truth. The current number of PM participants is not given therefore I am relying solely on my reasoning to come up with this figure. cheers Matt | ||
Rhain New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2007 |
Thank you. I am so relieved and now at peace. I was so confused about the bible and how man was continuously getting smarter. Billy's scrolls make so much sense to me. I feel I have come home. | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 570 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Rhain Welcome home !! It is great to be a really free human being after all Have a nice stay. Cheers!! Savio | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 487 Registered: 06-2000 |
Welcome home , Rhain ! Kind Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 719 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Rhain! We know how you feel! :-) Just WAIT until you see what's here for you! Cheers! Dyson | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 260 Registered: 04-2006 |
I have found more evidence showing the autenticity of The Billy Meier Contacts.Here's an article showing how Pope Paul VI was replaced by an impostor after being poisoned: http://www.tldm.org/News3/impostor.htm And here's a (scanned) excerpt from the 54th contact 8 June 1976, Semjase asking Billy not to disclose this kind of information that could be dangerous for the integrity of their group; :  | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 276 Registered: 03-2004 |
Fabulous, energetic video production. "Zeitgeist: What Do Christianity, 9/11 and the Federal Reserve Have in Common?" The first 9 minutes have no video, just audio. From there it takes off like a rocket, with the opening salvos aimed squarely at religion, and how it was devised purely for socio-political control. Thru 9/11 and the Fed to National ID chips. Highly recommended. Two hours long, and worth every second: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=928518742089256264&q=zeitgeist&total=538&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3 Or you can watch it section by section: Here is Part 1, without the audio-only intro: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8461754114455236037 Part 2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2602704786128880796&hl=en Part 3: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8450558837192717138 | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hector thanks for the link, that right there just shows how the battican has been lying to the population of earth for centuries. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 109 Registered: 02-2006 |
It turns out the Catholic Church actually has "sexual abuse" insurance! So insurance companies will be paying around 50% of the money to settle the churches hundreds of lawsuits from the sex-abuse victims. Insurance for Sex Abuse A policy tailor-made for the Catholic Church. July 16, 2007 "Over the weekend the Archdiocese of Los Angeles agreed to pay $660 million to settle lawsuits from hundreds of sex-abuse victims. About $250 million will come out of the diocese bank account; $60 million will come from other religious orders and another $123 million from litigation with orders that chose to sit out the deal. Insurance companies will pay the remaining $227 million."  Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahoney. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 109 Registered: 02-2006 |
I forgot to put the link to that news article. http://www.slate.com/id/2170482/&cid=1118247555 Its pathetic how no other organizations in the world today other then the Catholic Church and other churches need to specifically purchase child sex-abuse insurance because of all the high number of sick pedophile priests that lurk within their organization. PREDICTIONS OF THE PROPHETS JEREMIA AND ELIA http://www.gaiaguys.net/meier.Jer.Elia.Pedictions.htm | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 05-2007 |
vestri that's religion for you. not only is it a bunch of nonesense but there preechers are criminals. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 828 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... Yes, the Plejarans Truly - Hit The Nail - On that one! The Catholic Churches Pedophile priest practices...; when the Plejarans foretold of this many many decades ago! The Light...has surely Dimmed, for those Pedophile priests! And thus now, they have felt the Darkness of their oh so...distorted Judeo/ Catholic/Christian religious, Non-Sense! All those Naked Children(boys) portrayed in paintings and sculptures and in the Biblical scriptures, and what not, in the churches, has truly made the minds of these priests go Crazy: They only became Pedo Predators, on the loose! Edward. | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 06-2007 |
Those naked boys exposed in paintings are done and exposed by perverted minds of the catholic church. This has been happening from the middle age, what happen is that when the church had power all this was covered. The churches of different religions are plagued of predators from the beginning of their foundation. "we born to die and we die to born" | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 05-2007 |
the only good thing about this is that many people are giving up on religion. i remember a report on the news like two years ago where they said that religion is on a slow decline in the us. and that every year because of things like this people are starting to lose there faith. and like incredible said this has been going on for a long long time, but the churches can't cover this up anymore. and i'm glad there finaly being exposed for the scumb they really are. /and sorry about the harsh language but those religious types are whats wrong with our planet and i can't stand all the stuff they preech and get away with/ it's ridiculous, that these people are raping small children yet so many people still support them. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 512 Registered: 06-2000 |
The insurance companies are also guilty of the crime by backing / securing them in any way . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi incredible, yes the church itself is perverted and sick, and why it choose to use "alter boys" in its mass ceremony. Yes, thats so true Mark. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 02-2006 |
The Catholic Church is responsible for making its priests take up a life of celebacy and then surrounding them with little alter boys. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 05-2007 |
vestri, that might be the churches fault but what are the preists thinkink. there little boys. and how could you even be attracted to children in the first place. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Dave, I'm unsure what the exact question is that you are asking me there. The little boys I am talking about are the alter boys that always help the priest with catholic mass ceremony. I don't know what the psychological problems are that causes adults to become sexually attracted to children, just know mentally sick people do. I don't know what the actual underlying reason(s) is that causes so many priests in the Catholic Church to become pedophiles. | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 03-2007 |
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The_original_dave Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 05-2007 |
vestri actually it wasn't a question, i know none of us could answere that cause we don't think like they do. i was saying that they really have to have issues for them to do such a crime. | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 06-2007 |
To be sexually attracted to a boy is something anormal. Maybe the problem is in this: 1. Many of them take the step of studying for priest at the age youth 16 or 18 years. 2. Many of them never had a girlfriend because precisely at the age where they supposed to be with girlfriends the religion prohibit them to be with women. 3. When they are more adult, they see how their life is passing and without never to be with a woman. And the religious programing not allow them to masturbate. 4. As their life style is against the nature and specially against the nature of their body and mind, they become sexually mad. 5. They are programed with such religious dogma that they feel sinners when they try to be near a woman, And so is more easy for them to build friendship with boys 6. And they are surrounded by boys. ACCORDING TO MY CALCULATIONS, THERE IS THE PROBLEM. They are victims of a brutal religious programing that are against their nature and become sexually distorted. And then they victimise the children in their urgency to have sex. "we born to die and we die to born" | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 59 Registered: 03-2007 |
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Flap_dragon New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2007 |
Mark-O, You said: "Dave-0 ; I have performed the meditation with KG49 members ( core group members ) nine times . How about you , genius ? Where is the quote that you can stand up during it too ? You are MISINFORMING others due to your total ignorance . I won't waste any more time arguing comment deleted." Dude, just because you have meditated with core people does not mean you are an authority. To think so is being RELIGIOUS. Anthony J. Alagna | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 292 Registered: 06-2005 |
I just read an article in our newspaper how the church has 'insurance' against such pedophilia claims. I hate reading about such degenerate human behaviour but I wanted people to know how low humanity has sunk and I am glad that the religious figures from all religions are having the finger point at them. I am disgusted! it's time we ALL spoke in the open about such predetorial barbaric behaviour. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 05-2007 |
melli your right there´s only one good thing coming out of this, and that´s the religious leaders and preachers finally getting the finger pointed at them for the degenerates they are. | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hello Bob(Phi_spiral), I found this on the EC site and thought you might enjoy reading it too. You weren't thinking of this, were you,lol? I hope Christian reads this one to Billy because I think he would get a kick out of the last line. btw, I forgot to say you're welcome in that last post. Good evening, Leann LETTER TO TIBERIAS Few people are aware, that there is in existence today, in the Archives in Rome, a description of Christ. It is contained in a report written nearly two thousand years ago, by a Roman, Publius Lentulus, to his Emperor, Tiberias. It reads: "There has appeared in Palestine a man who is still living and whose power is extraordinary. He has the title given him of Great Prophet, his disciples call him 'Son of God'. He raises the dead and heals all sorts of diseases. "He is a tall, well proportioned man, and there is an air of severity in his countenance which at once attracts the love and reverence of those who see him. His hair is the colour of new wine from the roots to the ears, and thence to the shoulders it is curled and falls down to the lowest part of them. Upon the forehead, it parts in two after the manner of Nazarenes. "His forehead is flat and fair, his face without blemish or defect, and adorned with a graceful expression. His nose and mouth are very well proportioned, his beard is thick and the colour of his hair. His eyes are grey and extremely lively. "In his reproofs, he is terrible, but in his exhortations and instructions, amiable and courteous. There is something wonderfully charming in this face with a mixture of gravity. He is never seen to laugh, but has been observed to weep. He is very straight in stature, his hands large and spreading, his arms are very beautiful. "He talks little, but with a great quality and is the handsomest man in the world." | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 03-2007 |
Ashwin: “It was said a few times that one's religious beliefs are through hereditary transferred to their offsprings at that time. So what must one do to be free of these influences if one's family background fits the above situation?” It is my understanding that Billy is referring to a genetic tendency or predisposition that can be overcome by conscious intent. Billy has spoken similarly about the aggressor gene in humans. We all carry the aggressor gene within us but we can choose to not act aggressively in a given situation where we are emotionally aroused. These choices we make, when they are consistent, begin to form a pattern in the development of our personality. In like fashion we can free ourselves from an addiction to religion. Billy explains in Contact 251 that the genetic manipulations for aggression do not imply that terrestrial Man is a born killing machine, only that he is “capable” of killing when required to do so or events trigger a loss of control when consciousness and psyche are briefly overburdened. The evil brought about by the genetic manipulation, is not an intrinsic, compulsive inborn lust to murder. Here is a direct quote from 251: “There truly exist no born murderers, and this fact must be stated explicitly.” I think the same could be said for the religious gene. No one is born a religious convert, but he is capable of falling into the delusion of religion. Here, societal and environmental influences play their role. Regards Bob | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Bob My question would become clear after reading this especially the underlined part Dplotmach Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 04:34 am: Hi Billy, Is there, or is it it going to be a perfect cure against schizophrenia and mood-disorders in the future? Could you please give some advice on how to eliminate it totally? Answer There will be a cure, but it lies yet far away in the future. (Note by CF: Religious and sectarian belief may be transmitted/passed on from the parents to the child and is stored in the brain's temporal lobes and the rear part of the parietal lobes [hinterer Scheitellappen?]. It then manifests itself as a form of schizophrenic illness. [420th contact report of May 24, 2006]). Salome ashwin PS-Thanks for re-directing me to the right topic once again | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 115 Registered: 03-2007 |
Ashwin, the type of answer you are looking for then may lie in the next contact that followed, Contact 421 on May 28, 2006: (excerpt paraphrased) Religious faith can result in a form of schizophrenic illness. Extremism and certain passions in various forms can result in disease-like states which become expressed in the form of fanaticism, uncontrollable excitement states which can degenerate into destruction, rage, hate, etc. These factors arise within individuals which can lead to evil behaviors because due to the illness they lose control of their thoughts, feeling and actions. These types of diseases were eliminated amongst the Plejaren mainly due to their training courses towards understanding and reasoning in order to recognize and fight fanaticism and conditions of uncontrollable excitement to bring them under control; this process took about 1800 years for the total Plejaren population to repair these diseases. These same types of hereditary diseases include sports fanatics and sport fanaticism. Regards Bob | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 116 Registered: 03-2007 |
“The handsomest man in the world.” Yeah. That’ll get a few chuckles out of Billy! Very good, Leann! And of course, it would not have taken much to be considered tall back then. There are all sorts of goodies on that website it looks like. I was already familiar with that letter actually - it is in the Vatican’s private library. As you probably know the Catholic Church and the Roman Empire became joined at the hip starting with Constantine and later with the formation of the Holy Roman Empire. During that time the church had complete access to all the Roman archives. I have read stories how the Vatican has many secret documents that would expose their lies. And when the Church finally falls, hopefully the truths in these documents will finally be revealed. It would not surprise me if they have the real death warrant of Jmmanuel. By the way I’m glad you posted the Cayce reading which included the language about creation, “All-Creative energy”, etc. It shows at least an attempt on Cayce’s part at reading the Akashic records as free from religious dogma as he could. In his own explanation of how he brings information from the Akashic he has described that it has to be interpreted for the language of man. But inevitably his interpretations were influenced by the consciousness of the subject, their thoughts and their believe structure. The book, “Cayce In Context,” by K. Paul Johnson does a good job of explaining these influences. This was not a problem with his readings on health issues. Kind regards, Bob | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 05-2007 |
Thanks Bob. Guess i will have to rely on you as i do not yet have the contact reports. Salome ashwin | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hi Bob, I've read so many interesting things and lots to back up Billy on the EC site. I like knowing the little things, like they had boiled fish at the last supper and silly things about the Atlanteans like they stunk! I didn't like reading that one because I have a feeling I might have been one, lol. I thought I would post one that has puzzeled me for awhile now and I would really like Billy or the P's to explain this one. 264-31 - appendages in Temple Beautiful - she never likes to touch flowers, shrubs, dogs, cats; later reading points out the aversion comes from that period, when fins, feathers, claws, even shrubs grew on hands and feet (!) Have a good one, Leann | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 117 Registered: 03-2007 |
The physical anomalies described in that reading were a result of genetic engineering and experimentation. It's described in other readings Cayce did about the Atlantean period. They crossed the genetics of man with animals and sometimes even plant life. The Meier contact notes also mentions these experiments. Regards Bob | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 06-2007 |
Hi guys. My mother was from the sinister sect Jehovah's Withness. I remember the day in wich I was visited by a "super intendant", I high range people inside that terrorific sect. During that visit I remember that the "super" was looking for one of their propaganda. He take out a little box with a wire ant at one of its corner and a coaxial cable at the other corner. That box appear to be a IEMP (Induced experiences mimicking psychosis) For those who don't know what is an IEMP here is a website: http://www.highmajik.org.uk/induced.htm "we born to die and we die to born" | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1278 Registered: 12-1999 |
Incredible, How can people have their memories wiped? (which was stated in the article you provided the link for) I don't believe that technology/treatment exists, unless the brain is destroyed?? Even the removal of selected memory for people who suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is highly experimental at this stage. I think if we want to continue this discussion it should be moved to the Non-FIGU-Misc category. Scott | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 06-2007 |
Scott I know that. But what if they where doing an experiment? "we born to die and we die to born" | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 05-2007 |
Greetings to all Now if i think i am right Asket had told Billy once that nowhere else in the universe have they found the concept of religion so out of hand and in such power as here on earth. Am i right or wrong about this fact? Salome ashwin | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 861 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Sirashwin.... Welcome to the FIGU board....first of all. Religion still - being ALIVE - in a Destructive sense: very true! But, it is mentioned that certain ETs did notice how Religion can be applied to Human Beings...in a format that the Human Beings can be 'Brain washed', so to speak...and which would come in handy to those ETs...that wish to 'Enslave' the Human Species concerning. As far as I know: there has been a case that Christianity was indeed - Imported - to another far system, and it's end result was of the Destructive nature! If you do a FIGU Search with the above SEARCH engine...you may fine the details. This subject was once discussed, here. Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 866 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Sirashwin.... I mentioned - Imported -, but I was referring to - Exported -. It should be: - Exported - to another far system... Edward. | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Edward If you are referring to the incident where a group of ETs went back to their home world and told all about christianity over there ...... which later ended in a war which a group of different ETs had to intervene and stop, thereby declaring earth totally out of bounds ....... which resulted in the Tunguska incident; i am aware of it. I guess i wrongly framed my previous post, sorry. I meant are we the only planet where religion is so madly followed, or are there others; and if so are they also having someone like a "prophet" to bring them the true spirit teachings ? Thanking You ashwin | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 870 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Sirashwin.... I have not come across such information in the FIGU materials. But, from my own opinion, I would not doubt that there are young systems and planets where a 'form' of Religion would occur; where Man acquires the Basics to Understanding and to Comprehend; acquires Knowledge and Wisdom...etc. It can indeed, be Religion in a most 'innocent' form, if you will. And of course, perhaps...even Religion in a most 'aggressive' form. ALL...is Possible....within the Universe/Creation. Man can evolve through the use of Religion, to gain Knowledge and Wisdom. But again, depending on what form he utilizes his Religion: to gain Wisdom or to Enslave! Just like us Earthlings, he too will one day lead himself back to Relegeon*. And indeed, where there is the needed Guidance...on a planet, I would think a form of Prophet will manifest him/her-self, but...in a much smaller caliber... than the lineage Billy consists of. From a Logical point of view...the above mentioned is inevitable. And perhaps the "Small" Prophet would indeed be familiar with the True Spiritual Teachings ...and the Laws of Nature and Creation....and Direct the human beings on that planet to a Conscious...Consciousness, and thus: an Awakening, to Creation and all its Beauty and Marvelous Wonders. *WHAT IS RELIGION? WHAT IS RELEGEON? To define the difference between religion and relegeon, the spirit plane ARAHAT ATHERSATA has disclosed the following: Chapter IV, Evolution, Verses 75-80 75. Only relegeon must be used for evolution - never religion as implemented according to your current concepts on Earth. 76. In order to experience evolution, the truth, wisdom, mastery, knowledge, love and others must be gathered and united once again from currently existing principles. 77. Yet, a religious-type format, that is, a reverse link, destroys relegeon already in its basic substance and prevents it from ever finding fertile ground. 78. A relegeon format alone is capable of inducing profound successes - religious formats can never accomplish this. 79. From relegeon originates effective knowledge, which results in further wisdom and knowledge. 80. These, in turn, ensure that the path of evolution may be entered into through both forms. Relegeon is the factor leading back toward the Creative Truth, toward the Ur-Truth of all Creative growth. Expressed in a religious sense, religion implies a reverse-bond to a god, respectively a creator, within the constraints of religions, to whom man must subordinate himself. Edward. | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Edward Thanks a lot for your previous post, i was never aware of the term relegeon; i am most deeply obliged. And regarding the info in my previous post it is all here - start reading from 66 http://www.gaiaguys.net/fermi.htm Regards ashwin | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 299 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Edward, But what is "relegeon"? The quote from AA doesn't explain or define what it is. Having read that I'm none the wiser as to what relegeon is or means. I've tried a search. Thanks, cpl | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 303 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Edward, Thank you for the excerpt, it's clear as day. Is the book of Evolution available in English also? Thank you , Bianca | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Cpl The difference between religion and relegeon is explained in Contact #24 by Semjase. But i wonder if you have them; because i don't  . Or you could try reading this unofficial translation of a conversation between Billy and Jmmanuel, when Billy and Asket had time travelled in 1953. http://www25.brinkster.com/chancede/relegeon.html Salome ashwin | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 302 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thanks Ashwin, The conversation, which is easy to understand, still doesn't define "relegeon". It would appear though to be mean, "religion minus all dogma and errant teachings". If someone can confirm, this may be another term to add to FIGU's glossary. Thanks, cpl | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 303 Registered: 08-2004 |
Dear Ashwin, Edward, and Melli, Here is what it says is Contact 24 v32-38 (Stevens 1979, 1988 version): 32: All truth and knowledge has remained transmitted and is preserved up to the present epoch, though it may be forgotten, disregarded and lost by the Earth human. 33: And as truth, knowledge, wisdom, and love, and all power of the spirit are unchangeable and constant, and the same in the present, this all must be conceived there and continue up. 34: In other words, truth, knowledge, wisdom, love etc., must simply be brought together again. 35: What you call, by an old for you language, the backward-relating "religion", should for this case, and which has to be done, by the same old language, be called "rel-e-geon". 36: This means that all has to be brought together again, which is, to be considered rel-e-geously, but not religiously. 37: In consequence, the already existing materials should be newly assembled, to lead into the future. 38: After the relegeon must begin the way of evolution, which has a two-fold meaning. Semjase then elucidates on the two meanings of evolution. This implies the meaning of "relegeon" to be "the bringing together again, or new assembly, of truth, knowledge, wisdom, and love, etc. to lead into the future." This gives greater clarity of detail and meaning to the "religion minus all dogma and errant teachings" of the previous post, though, of course, they agree. Hope it helps, cpl | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 356 Registered: 03-2004 |
Relegeon is refinding all past info/capabilities stored in the spiritual consciousness and storage banks, as well as discovering new info/capabilites. This is not at all what religion is. This is how I understood it but maybe someone can chime in and clarify :-) | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Edward, Cpl, Bianca and Thomas But isn't relegeon a German word? Salome ashwin PS - i guess maybe Christian could clarify all this up | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 03-2007 |
I think Semjase was referring to Latin language (language spoke by ancient Romans). The world "religion" comes from the Latin "religio" wich means "re - ligo " that means "re-collect". An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 05-2007 |
Greetings to all I think Franco's interpretation matches that of Thomas'. "Refinding" and "re-collect". Salome ashwin | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 873 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Sirashwin and All.... Well, the AA gave it's definition and as Cpl: Semjase's. Thus, Semjase's, is also an excellent supplementary...to what I have posted. And I was aware of Stevens' version: have read that in the past. So: 35: What you call, by an old for you language, the backward-relating "religion", should for this case, and which has to be done, by the same old language, be called "rel-e-geon". 36: This means that all has to be brought together again, which is, to be considered rel-e-geously, but not religiously. and... This implies the meaning of "relegeon" to be "the bringing together again, or new assembly, of truth, knowledge, wisdom, and love, etc. to lead into the future." ...etc....was known to me. Thus, it is positive for Cpl to have 'shaken his hands out from underneath his sleeves'...and found and posted the additional excerpts. BTW: I usually do not post anything of Stevens'. I just want to stick to the Official FIGU or related materials. So, what Cpl has posted, is also around in the Official FIGU version, as I recall it. That is where I obtained the information from...in the past. Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 874 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi dear Melli.... I have no idea if there is an English translation. I have some of the excerpts which I once obtained from the FIGU sources, of their web sites. And so: I had that data.... Edward. | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 05-2007 |
Greetings to all I was just wondering that there are quite a few people in the world, say Buddhists, philosophers, etc who envision "god" as more or less similar to that of Creation. So is this "good" or "bad" "?" "  " Salome ashwin | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 148 Registered: 03-2007 |
How would it be "bad"? The main point, as I understand it, is that there is no "creator" separate from "creation" - they are one and the same. Regards Bob | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 115 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Bob No what i am trying to say is that such people even thought they have a concept of 'god' very similar to that of Creation; some still do continue to pray. While others among the above mentioned people believe that 'god' (here which they understand almost as similar to creation), is perfect or that state of complete universal conciousness or mostly referred to in the esoteric sense as bliss. You know what i am trying to say - like the concept of Nirvana, elightenment etc.. But i believe Billy has said that all such is just esoteric nonsense? Thanking You ashwin | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 899 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Sirashwin..... I understand what you mean. I too, know individuals mainly in the New Age Movements, whom have the correct definition of - The (Cosmic) Creating Force - which is CREATION, and still entitle this with GOD. Which is of course: a False Statement caused by False Dogmas. So, I do try and correct them in explaining the Concept of CREATION itself, and to some point they can understand this; and some do accept this. Thus, their ignorance just plays a role here, and One should just try and put them on the correct path of Truth. So, I would not say if it was - good or bad -, I would just say - Correct or Incorrect -, if you will. Thus, it is indeed - Incorrect - for them to define CREATION as GOD. There is NO other TRUE name for CREATION...than (The) CREATION! Edward. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 151 Registered: 03-2007 |
Ashwin, you are trying to force your question into an "all-or-nothing" format. But ask yourself, is it better to have a cosmology closer to the truth or further away from the truth? Even on this forum you will notice some people will have a better understanding of Creation than others. Regards Bob | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 117 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Bob and Edward Yes. "Good" and "bad" are completely inappropriate words. And yes indeed various people have varying comprehension of Creation - be it silly me to the Plejarens themselves. Actually now after this discussion i have again realised that one shouldn't waste much time on words to define something as subtle as this. I earlier realised this while discussing with Cpl on Creation. Call it god or creation; the closer to truth your spiritual philosophy is, the better it is. Thanking You ashwin | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 273 Registered: 10-2005 |
It is my understanding that the term God is the rank of ISHWSH or better and Creation... is not comparable, due to it's vastness and infinite attributes. There is apparently no human counterpart/analogy to Creation. Here are the twelve commandments which seem to fit here... THE TWELVE COMMANDMENTS 1. You shall have no powers and gods, idols and saints other than Creation. 2. You shall keep holy the name of Creation and not abuse this name. 3. You shall make every day into a day of celebration and keep it holy (control it). 4. You shall not break your bond with Creation, including this: You shall not commit adultery. 5. You shall honor Creation just as you honor, respect and love your father and mother. 6. You shall not kill in depravity. 7. You shall not rob and expropriate. 8. You shall not bear false witness against the truth, Creation and life. 9. You shall never, never speak an untruth. 10. You shall not greedily covet material wealth and your neighbor's possessions. 11. Do not curse the truth. 12. Never, never put Creation's commandments and Creation's laws into unworthy cults. | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 06-2007 |
What, 12 commandments? The bible have 10 commandments.  What is the difference between the commandments of the bible and the commandment of billy meyer? "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her" | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1313 Registered: 12-1999 |
Incredible, Here is a little more on the 12 Commandments/Directives: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/6933.html#POST24898 | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 06-2006 |
I have made a comment on this topic but placed it in the section under Spiritual Teachings:Creational Laws and Commandments Robjna | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Randy When i used the word 'god', i was using it in context with the earlier posts made to Bob and Edward. Basically what i was referring to was that certain people have a concept of "GOD" (not referring to JHWH/JHRH) very close to Creation. Salome ashwin | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 03-2007 |
Why you think think "creation's laws and commandments" really exist adn are not pure inventions of Meier?? An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 136 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Franco, That's a very good question. As I go through life trying to understand myself, the community of people I was born into, the culture, the society, the interactions I have with others, the results of my decisions/actions/thoughts, etc. I have learned some things that make my daily life less stressful on myself and "smoother" in my interactions with others. For example, I have found (and I must remind myself from time to time, as difficult situations arise) that to harbor in my mind what might be termed "negative emotions" (such as hate, envy, jealousy, etc.) either towards another, myself, or some external situation seems to have detrimental effects upon myself (either mentally, as in the form of perhaps anguish...or physically, as in the form of perhaps high blood pressure, etc.). I suppose my attempts at dealing with situations internally or externally in a way that eases these stressors (generally, though perhaps some of these reactions have their "time and place") is a "self-preservation" reaction and continual learning process. I think this is common for other people, as well as (it seems to me) animals. In this I think there is the hint at a "creational law", a "way of living" that provides an outcome that is beneficial to my well-being, development and preservation, mentally and physically. And if my well-being, etc. is progressive, I think it affects those around me as well, and thereby may foster progress in others, or at least help to provide an environment that is more conducive to it. Perhaps it is in "going against the law" that the avoidable effects come about with their detrimental outcomes (anguish, high blood pressure, etc. ... for example). Whether or not this is the same as what is meant by FIGU and its members when they write about "creational laws" I am not certain, but I suspect it is...or close to it. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 281 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Francofiori2004, Of course these laws and commandments exist, but do they really show us the way to a less cumbersome life? That is probably the question you meant to pose... When you speak of Nature, Creation, the Universal force, you are speaking something of which... none of us know or may truly ever know. Do I think these firm suggestions/commandments work for a more direct flow with Creation? Yes. Why? Experience. Go against the flow in a river... it is almost always easier to go WITH the flow, similar reasoning. My main reason for joining FIGU is for World Peace. To me... the knowledge allegedly presented by a race of human beings like ourselves... who've not fought an unprovoked war speaks volumes, for more than forty nine thousand years... probably someone we should listen to and learn from. Not from some book that has how may renditions...telling us to be meek and then taking advantage and exploiting us while referencing some book and then killing or dying for that book! NO! In every learning example you must learn with knowledge... then experience it... From that you gain wisdom. If you accept things by blind faith and simply "believe" them... you are cutting yourself short are not getting the entire experience of observation and experiment which creates wisdom and eventually leads to power. Power for yourself not manipulative or exploitative power from someone in fancy dress and the threat behind him hanging on the wall. Sometimes we make mistakes and we learn from those errors. Wisdom is carried with us from life to life... Can I prove it... NO. But you have to admit, something as interesting as thought, like... how many thoughts can you hold in an organ the size of a grapefruit, and does it weigh any more? We are becoming more intelligent on Earth. We know that we can record things on spinning objects like crystal CD laser devices, and magnetic recording tape, why not the earth... it spins. It seems logical that our thoughts are energy (fine matter as the Plejaren call it) rather than physical (coarse matter) and we know energy and mass are related unless Einstein's famous energy equation is wrong. If you study science, you will eventually notice that what we thought has often later been disproved. Truth does not change. Our sense and our perception of it may. It depends on the way we receive or feel it. Those two interesting senses that make up the entire seven. I guess the real clincher for me was reading the document that Billy wrote to 3000 governments in 1951. The truths that Billy Eduard Albert Meier wrote on July 5th 1951 (he was 14) to 3000 government leaders are the same truths that are written about and we are learning and discussing today. They have not changed. Truth does not change. Also, this was one bright kid. And if not, than he had a very bright helper... which he did... Sfath. Here was a man nearing one thousand years old who through advanced apparatus gave all his knowledge to Billy at a young age. You can tell this information was advanced because bright people like ourselves have asked the hard questions and have battled the skeptical inquiries and won the discussions hands down over fifty years later. Truth stands on it's own it does not need to be propped up. Now take the Vatican, can they say the same? In 1611 Galileo was forced by law... to admit (incorrectly BTW)... that the Vatican in Rome was the direct center of the Universe, no matter what Galileo found by watching the planets around Jupiter using careful observational skills his notes and use of his brilliant non-conforming mind... What he found was AGAINST THE LAW!!! It is rather funny today that anyone would ever consider that, but hey... that's what happens when you don't study for yourself and accept things by blind faith, it's sort of like cheating. Instead... use your mind and figure it out for yourself... Don't accept ANYTHING with blind faith... Thanks for the question... it is good to question, the only stupid one is the one you don't ask. Question a priest next time... Where exactly is Hell? From Dietmar Rothe's book: In Search of Truth and Freedom; A Path from Ignorance to Awareness (Available at Amazon.com)  | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 167 Registered: 02-2006 |
Franco: "Why you think "creation's laws and commandments" really exist and are not pure inventions of Meier??" Because Billy has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that he is in contact with advanced Extraterrestials, and because the ET's said that Meier is the prophet of the age, and because the ET's wouldn't have nominated Billy as the prophet or be hanging round with him too if Billy was making stories up about such things as the spiritual laws and commandments of Creation. For those reasons I take comfort accepting and knowing the spiritual laws and commandments that Billy is teaching are true and correct. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 164 Registered: 03-2007 |
Ashwin: "I was just wondering that there are quite a few people in the world, say Buddhists, philosophers, etc who envision "god" as more or less similar to that of Creation. So is this 'good' or 'bad' ?" Hi Ashwin, I was trying to recall earlier something within the teachings themselves that was relevant to your question. I know you have already resolved the issue in your own mind, but this still may have value. From Contact #10, Introduction to the Spiritual Teachings: 60. A human is a human only if he has recognized truth, knowledge and wisdom, even if he never used the word Creation, because wisdom is also love in its best form. 63. Where there is wisdom and knowledge, there is love and cognition, and where there is cognition and love, there is Creation. 64. Growth within love and wisdom teach the human to recognize Creation. Regards Bob | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 286 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Bob and Ashwin, Creation is a force of which there is no human counterpart: Page 39 paragraph/Question three of Interview with a UFO contactee (Billy Meier): Creation is the mightiest power and energy of this universal-Creational existence, and it has no human equivalent. More than everything, it has not even the most infinitesimal shred of an iota in common with the "man-made" Creator-God who disappears into an abyss of limitless absurdity when compared with Creation, its strength, and its mastery.  | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 141 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Bob I am so glad you found out the exact line. In fact i didn't completely resolve the issue in my mind. Would still wonder won't there be people out here who weren't aware of Billy yet could comprehend the spiritual teachings and the Creational laws and directives. Thanking You ashwin | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 142 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Randy What i was saying is that some people have a concept of "god" which is similar to that of Creation. Not meaning that god = creation; but that some people believe in a god equivalent to universal conciousness. However you are right in terms of the finer technicalities. Thanking You ashwin | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 165 Registered: 03-2007 |
Randy The premise of Ashwin’s question is a hypothetical of someone who has the correct concept of Creation but knows it by another name. Is there value in this? Yes. The teachings say as much. Your insertion of additional concepts, such as “human counterpart” and "man-made" Creator-God are not relevant to the question’s premise because they are not part of the person’s cosmology within the hypothetical. Regards Bob | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 119 Registered: 06-2006 |
Aswhin My thoughts on this question of yours: won't there be people out here who weren't aware of Billy yet could comprehend the spiritual teachings and the Creational laws and directives I think that there is evidence that it is possible to come to find the 'truth' without finding Billy's writings specifically. My personal journey to find the 'truth' led me to find much of what Billy has written, elsewhere. However, since finding Billy's teachings, what I have noticed on comparing the previous learnings of mine, is that Billy's is more complete -- and that there are many dangling threads, loose ends, in the other teachings. I have had no serious difficulty with learning the finer details provided by Billy, and so, logically I can say it is likely that my previous learnings have provided me with a base that was not too off the mark, allowing me to understand quite readily the spirit lessons. Logically, if the 'truth' has been presented on this planet formally, for at least 13,500 years, specifically designed for the people and their stage of evolution at that time, then it would be expected that even though some of the message was passed down word of mouth and therefore open to change over time, and even though some have purposely changed the messages to suit their own ends, politically and materialistically etc...... it follows that some of the 'truth' is likely to have survived intact. This knowledge, even if not exactly correct, is close enough to get those who wish to move quickly along the evolutionary path, further towards their goals. I think that also, over time, there have been forward thinkers, highly evolved persons, who have also had 'insights' which have led them to uncover truths, way before their time eg., Leonardo da Vinci and others like him. As our knowledge of the natural world has developed, and as our knowledge of the workings of the body has developed, we are slowly, at a quite natural pace, coming to understand the laws and associated commandments that follow from these laws, by merely opening our eyes, and our intellects, to embrace what is evident. There have been humans that have reached the correct understanding of Creation, without the need for a prophet -- I have read this somewhere in the writings. It is my understanding that it is only those who have gone off the track that usually a prophet will be needed. We, are fortunate that we have the Plejaren's looking after us, as they had someone looking after them, when they were way off the track. This gives us the opportunity to repair the damage and move forward on the evolutionary path, before destroying ourselves and/or others with our out of balance spiritual awareness/technical advancement state. Be that as it may, I am grateful to have found Billy's teachings in this incarnation. Not only has he provided for us, the older original teachings (eg., in OM and TJ) but also, more up to date for the times information. I meet people now and then who have come to quite a high understanding of spirit and creation, couched in different language maybe, but similar enough for me to recognise -- and these people have not seen Billy's teachings, and are not interested either. I see that they are on the evolutionary path even so. Ashwin, I can see you growing in your understanding as you study more, and your questions show that you are a deep thinker -- you are well on your way. in peace Robjna | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 287 Registered: 10-2005 |
Thank you for pointing that out, will give it some thought. As to finding out without the teachings of Billy Meier and the Plejaren, it IS possible as was my experienced as well. So am in agreement with Robjna... To add to what she mentioned about help from "higher sources", The Earth Charter (Sonder-Bulletin Nr. 40, Oktober 2007) is available in German (Pg 1), English (Pg 7), Spanish (Pg 12), Italian (Pg 17)and French (Pg 22) at FIGU.org. http://figu.org/ch/files/downloads/bulletin/figu_sonder_bulletin_40.pdf?download By commiting to the principals in this document which may require the change of our hearts and minds...delivered to us by a prophet with the help of an advanced race... It is a wonderful, well planned and well thought out document we can all learn something from, to achieve sustainability, justice, peace and wisdom at this critical moment in Earth's history. The Earth Charter... Let ours be a time remembered for the awakening of a new reverence for life, the firm resolve to achieve sustainability, the quickening of the struggle for justice and peace and the joyful celebration of life. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 166 Registered: 03-2007 |
Randy: (Re: The Earth Charter) "...delivered to us by a prophet with the help of an advanced race..." No, it's not. The Earth Charter is a widely recognized, global consensus statement on ethics and values for a sustainable future. Developed over a period of ten years, in what has been called the most extensive global consultation process ever associated with an international declaration, the Earth Charter has been formally endorsed by over 2,500 organizations, including global institutions such as UNESCO and the World Conservation Union (IUCN). Taken from their website: www.earthcharter.org | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 289 Registered: 10-2005 |
Phi_spiral (Bob), You're right about that. Thank you. It's endorsed by Billy Meier, his Friends and FIGU. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 921 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Sirashiwn and All.... Billy mentions many times that the name equivalent to Creation is: Universe, Universal Consciousness, Cosmos..(perhaps some others I can not think of at the moment), BUT, NEVER did he mentioned the name - GOD/God - (in the list)!! The name GOD/God is extracted from False Cult Religious Dogmas! Like-wise, is the word....extracted from the rank - ISHWISH/god -. And an ISHWISH is NOT a Creational Creating force as (The) CREATION, itself. Thus, even if a human has not recognized the name Creation, he should be corrected to it's proper naming. And become cognizant to the name...in his/her further existence. When One practices Creational Qualities, One should at some point..or time in his/her life KNOW...that this is within the framework of CREATION (itself), at work. Edward. | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 150 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Edward I would tend to disagree with that. Say for the word water in german it is wasser in french it is eau in italian it is acqua in dutch it is water in indonesian it is air So people may call whatever they like it but water is still H2O. But yes there is the issue of the sound of the word, which might imply a different meaning; like having a name which stands for something what you are not. Please do correct me, as i am surely not correct  Regards ashwin | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 330 Registered: 01-2004 |
hello edward and ashwin, in my opinion, it all comes down to logic. you cant equate a god to a universe, because a god is as edward already wrote... and a universe is something of another thing, a greater thing than a mere "god". also, i think your example of water being h2o no matter how it is spelled is mis placed in this topic of discussion. because if we use ashwins example but substitue the word water with creation, the same can be said that... creation means creation regardless of what language or word is used... but if the word already has a meaning associated with it (such as god) then it is not logical to use god as a term for creation. it is about the meaning, the idea behind the word and what it originally means. you know what i mean? so never mind how it's spelled, the point is that you cant use the word "dog" to mean "cat" because since we are speaking in english, we all know dog refers to a canine and not a feline. hoefully my point is clear and not confusing. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 168 Registered: 03-2007 |
Edward: “Thus, even if a human has not recognized the name Creation, he should be corrected to it's proper naming.” Why would you limit it to just one word, when in your opening paragraph, you acknowledge that Billy says there are equivalent names, such as Universe, Universal Consciousness, Cosmos..(perhaps some others I can not think of at the moment)? The important thing is to understand the concept for which the word “creation” represents. As Semjase said in Contact 10, line 60, the use of the word Creation is not a requirement. Creation is about the development of love, wisdom, and cognition. Not word comprehension. 64. Growth within love and wisdom teach the human to recognize Creation. 67. With wisdom and love, the human is master over all creation. 71. Love cannot be clothed in words, because it is, just as luck, a state and not a place. Would you say to someone that they cannot understand wisdom and love because they do not use the word creation? Of course not. Words by their very nature are limiting. As we continue to evolve, even they will be replaced altogether by the spirit symbols. I agree that to use the word “creation” is better than to use the word “god” for a lot of people’s consciousness. But not everybody’s. Ashwin’s question very clearly stated and addressed that demographic of people whose concept of god was NOT how you or I may define it, but ‘who envision "god" as more or less similar to that of Creation’. I know many people like that myself. I was one of them. All I essentially did was switch one label for another. So the definition of god is not as clear cut and widespread as you suggest, Peter. It’s not ‘cats and dogs’ or ‘apples and oranges’. Similarly, if you went out into the world and asked people what does the word ”creation” mean to them, you would get a wide variety of answers quite different than how it is used within the spiritual teachings. Despite the archaic origin of the word god, the reality is that it’s meaning has morphed through time and culture to mean different things to different people. 106. Therefore the human has to be a practical philosopher and mystic, and perceive the reality in its changeable, passing forms. Regards Bob (Note: All numbered references are taken from Contact 10, Introduction to The Spiritual Teachings) | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 120 Registered: 06-2006 |
Bob I fully agree with you on this one. That has been exactly my personal experience as well. I was taught the 'God' of catholicism, and when I embarked on my journey to find the truth that was obviously missing, I was looking for what the 'concept' of God was, not for an alternative being to take its place. To a thinking person, it becomes obvious that it is a concept that has gone awry over time. Especially if you have studied the humanities including anthropology, and seen the development of beliefs within these cultures. There was a great series I saw once that covered it quite nicely, done by the famous anthropologist Joseph Campbell -- called The Power of Myth. His explanations were the first intelligent attempts I had come across that showed the natural tendency of man, to invent a theory of how things work/came into being, using what knowledge they had availbale to them at that time of their development. He noticed that all over the world, different cultures came up with almost identical explanations of eg., how life begins and what happens when they die - but not at the same point in time, just at the same point in their develpment as a culture. If Campbell also had the benefit of knowing about ET history on this planet, that may have also helped him explain what he did, even so, without it, he did quite a good job. His work, and the work of others including what Billy has written, supports the idea that even without being 'given' the truth in a formal manner, by a 'prophet' such as those of the Nokodemjon/Henoch line, man would eventually come to understand the truth, using whatever words he wanted to describe it, because he would 'discover' it eventually. I think that the meaning of Ashwin's question has been changed by some of the replies, because they applied definitions form Billy's teachings to try and answer it -- which I do not see as being necessary in this case. When someone tells me they believe in God, or if I ask my clients on the intake questions, if they follow a religion and they say yes -- I always ask them what that means to them, what they mean by God etc... Some say that it means to them an intelligence behind everything. Others retain the traditional Christian or Islamic view of God. Some are still not sure, but they know it is not the one taught in religion classes. I don't think it is in other's best interests for us to correct them if their understanding is not in line with what we are studying with these teachings. That amounts to preaching, and is frowned upon by FIGU, as it takes away from the person's natural evolution to get there when they are ready. in peace Robjna | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 925 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Surashwin and Bob... Face it: We are Speaking of (The) CREATION...and NOT GOD/God. GOD/God is TOO Imbedded, in your/Mans deepest memory...due to it's Erroneous Dogmas through your/his life time. And this we must become loss from: and CORRECT! Bob: do not mix Contact 10, Introduction to The Spiritual Teachings...with the mentioned GOD/God subject/concept! You are - Misleading - the people here, in the wrong direction, with your interpretations! Contact 10, Introduction to The Spiritual Teachings...explains The Framework of Creation's processing(s), and has NOTHING to do with Creation being named GOD/God! You will have to accept it: that CREATION IS....CREATION, and NOT GOD/God! CREATION IS NOT GOD/God, and GOD/God...is NOT (THE) CREATIONS! GOD/God....is an Erroneous utilized word/name for CREATION, and it has to be Corrected, and be further utilized CORRECTLY...for Future existence. We speak Of the Creational Teachings, and NOT of the GODLY/Godly teachings! But if you wish to pursue the above mentioned as you do now, that is your own business, and choice. Edward. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 290 Registered: 10-2005 |
It is just a book, but the TJ Talmud Jmmanuel is about the life of Jmmanuel written by Judas Iscariot and changed by Juda Icariot. This is Jmmanuel speaking of levels of consiousness above him such as the Patale, from The Talmud Jmmanuel after Jmmanuel attempted to teach Petrus the power of his consciousness: to walk on the water to him: Page 92-e line: :52 "However above him stands Creation, whose laws he faithfully follows and respects; therefore he is not omnipotent, as only Creation itself can be. :53 "Thus there are also limits set for him who allows himself to be called god, and who is above emperors and kings as the word says. :54 "But human beings are ignorant and immature, thus they believe god to be Creation and serve an erroneous doctrine, as was falsified by the distorters of the scriptures. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 169 Registered: 03-2007 |
Edward, I had a teacher once who wrote on the chalkboard, “an apple”. She pointed to it and asked the class, “What is this?” “An apple,” was the reply. Then the teacher asked, “But is it really an apple? Can you bite into it?” She then drew a picture of an apple with chalk and asked the same question, “What is this?” The class gave the same reply, “An apple.” To which she asked, “But is it really an apple? Can you bite into it?” She finally pointed to a ceramic figurine of an apple sitting on her desk, “What is this?” By then the class had gotten the point. All of these things were mere representations for the concept of an apple. But they don’t really tell you what an apple is. The only way to know an apple is to hold it. Touch it. Smell it. Bite into you. Open up its’ insides. Throw it against the wall to see if it sticks. Leave it out in the sun and rain to see what happens to it. In other words, you have to interact with it experientially. Which leads me to my point: “Creation” is not Creation. “God” is not Creation. “Universe” is not Creation. “Cosmos” is not Creation, etc. Creation is a very long experiential journey which can not be conveyed in a single word. It’s the experiential journey that matters. Not it’s representation. Edward: “You are - Misleading - the people here, in the wrong direction, with your interpretations!” Neither one of us are the arbiters of truth for others, Edward. They will read my posts and they will read your posts and probably believe neither one. Knowing the people on this forum, I rather suspect they will discern for themselves. Regards Bob | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 320 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Bob and Rarena, What you illustrated there, Bob, is classic semiotics. Words are not the signified (what they are representing or attempting to communicate) they are the signifier of that signified. The signifier "god" in v 54 is not signifying the same signified as "god" in many other present day contexts -- though most might be just as in error. The v 54 "god" was a certain belief and signified, correct me if I'm wrong, a man. That was the belief in those days. God was a man like Jehovah or some other supposed omnipresent being of their imagination. One reason the word "god" is so useless today is because it signifies totally different things to so many different people. There are those for whom it does signify what for others is signified by "Creation". But "god" having so many different meanings it is useful, if not necessary, to use a word that does not share such ambiguity and confusion as a present day signifier. "Creation" is one such word or signifier. "First Source" is another. Best, cpl | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 151 Registered: 05-2007 |
Greetings to All Words and languages however evolved are just symbolic in nature. To see it from a different perspective; just some sounds which seem to convey a message or strange notations which convey meaning. But what is more important is the thought behind the word; which has the real meaning. Prone to Mistakes ashwin | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Ashwin, I think that a word should be got mout of spiritualism and should convey spirituality, then only does a person get true knowledge. Which is why i think German is so important. Salome Aditya | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 170 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hi, Cpl I thought your post above was well articulated. I do have one small exception to suggest. I don’t think it is so much about switching words as it is clarifying their meanings and understandings within the context of the Meir material. Certain words carry specific meanings within the Meir material than they do outside. Many words, not just ‘god’. The word ‘soul’ for instance, is identical in meaning to ‘spirit’ for a large number of people. Almost any indicator you want to substitute for ‘god’ will carry a certain amount of baggage with regards to past usage. For instance, if you have read the Wingmakers material before coming to the Meir material than both ‘Creation’ and ‘First Source’ will carry a slightly different connotation. And that meaning would still have to be refined and clarified. Regards Bob | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 321 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Bob, I agree completely with your, "I don’t think it is so much about switching words as it is clarifying their meanings and understandings within the context of the Meir material" and I would add the context of any(ones) material. I have yet to see the difference between Creation and First Source. The creators of these respective terms are coming from very different observational and presentation perspectives (one being more logical science oriented in character and the other more creative, organic and artistic in character), yet that aside, it seems to me they are both talking about the same essence, rather than the two terms carrying slightly different connotations. Everything I've read about what Creation is in the Meier material and what First Source is in the WingMakers material seem in complete agreement. People tend generally to associate with definitions -- the signifiers -- rather than the essence - the signified -- lying behind those definitions and words. If you see real actual differences between what Creation is and what First Source is I'd be interested to hear about them. I suppose if we wish to discuss this though, it would be better in another section, like the Creation itself? Regards, Chris Hi Chris, I agree-Scott | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Bob, Yes, the idea of some people on this world about "GOD", is very much similar to Creation. Only that they think the spirit is something to do with the supernatural, and "GOD" is something else. Salome Aditya | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 295 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Bob, Allegedly, Soul was an outdated term meaning a discription of the region surrounding the solar plexus (near the heart) and possibly mind. It is my understanding that it signifies the more materialistic attributes such as personality and that it is gone when we die. Many people as you say have a different meaning for the word soul, but spirit or consciousness gleaned from experience survives separate from the personality/soul so they should not be confused as being somehow different words for the same meaning because they aren't. (I.E. God is not Creation) The spiritform has had many soul voyages but the reverse is not accurate. It is my understanding the soul does not survive death. The spirit however, can... as it is immortal (contact 10 Semjase's discription of the spiritual teachings of Creation). The knowledge gained from the life as body, mind and spirit is collected and stored ready for use by the next incarnation should that soul or human being be sensitive enough to recognize and utilize it. Some impulse signals it is my understanging are survived via "fluidal" energy which is held in the bones of the body and is a reason to be buried rather than creamated. Mozart for instance was buried and may have drawn on his previous fluidal energies for his prodigal musical ability as well as next life be able to draw upon them again. It stands to reason a nuclear war, if indeed Death Valley was an ancient mile deep crater from a previous war, people killed and or buried in that blast probably did not have the ability to recoup their fluidal information. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 172 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hi Chris, I posted a clarification response under Creation Itself. See you there. Bob | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 173 Registered: 03-2007 |
Randy Within the context of the Meier material, spirit and soul represent different concepts. Within some people's paradigm they represent the same concept. Within the context of the Meier material, god and creation represent different concepts. Within some people's paradigm they represent the same concept. It really is just that simple. Bob | ||
Beli Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 05-2003 |
Hi, Phi_spiral, When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail. blerim berisha | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 128 Registered: 06-2006 |
 Pope's exorcist squads will wage war on Satan By NICK PISA - 29th December 2007 Satanism on the rise: Pope Benedict has unveiled plans to set up specialist exorcism squads The Pope has ordered his bishops to set up exorcism squads to tackle the rise of Satanism. Vatican chiefs are concerned at what they see as an increased interest in the occult. They have introduced courses for priests to combat what they call the most extreme form of "Godlessness." Each bishop is to be told to have in his diocese a number of priests trained to fight demonic possession. "Thanks be to God, we have a Pope who has decided to fight the Devil head-on," he said. "Too many bishops are not taking this seriously and are not delegating their priests in the fight against the Devil. You have to hunt high and low for a properly trained exorcist. "Thankfully, Benedict XVI believes in the existence and danger of evil - going back to the time he was in charge of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith." The CDF is the oldest Vatican department and was headed by Benedict from 1982, when he was Cardinal Ratzinger, until he became Pope in 2005. Father Amorth said that during his time at the department Benedict had not lost the chance to warn humanity of the risk from the Devil.  The 1973 film The Exorcist deals with the demonic possession of a young girl: Now the Pope wants specialist exorcism squads in every parish "The prayer is useful not only for priests but also for lay people in helping to fight demons," he said. The Vatican is particularly concerned that young people are being exposed to the influence of Satanic sects through rock music and the Internet. In theory, under the Catholic Church's Canon Law 1172, all priests can perform exorcisms. But in reality only a select few are assigned the task. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=504969&in_page_id=1811 | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 169 Registered: 05-2007 |
Wow man, the ghostbusters are coming back. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 988 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Alan.... Yes, I heard of that. Well, Satan meaning in Hebrew - Adversary(Opponent, for some) -; I think many of us here ARE Satanist's...(... ...), but in the format/sense of an "Adversary" to the Pope and The Vatican, and all Judeo/Catholic/Christian Cult Religion related! Many of us here: have OUTGROWN, all that Non-Sense! Thus, we are Not Satanist's in the sense, in it's misinterpretation: that we idolize some sort of Demonic Entity, or others! Such, as some, Gothic (and the above mentioned) related type of individuals assume and practice, to be. Which is very False, in acknowledgement. But in general: the Pope and The Vatican, would try to erase any types of individuals that "Oppose or are Adversary", of their False Erroneous Cult Religious Non-Sense! Just, as they have been doing for many many hundreds of years, in the past; as result of: Tens of millions of people being Slaughter (Genocide) in the name of The Holy See/Chair. Like-wise, was executed by the Israeli Hebrews/Jews, for centuries: concerning about the same - Genocide - estimated numbers of deaths, as the mentioned above. Edward. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 128 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Edward, Yes, thats so true. Actually do you have any ideas or know what the motive or reason is behind why the church has suddenly decided to push this baloney forward to the world? With the ever shrinking number of church goers, and others questioning what the need is of the church in todays world, I thought maybe this was some kind of attempt by the catholic church to show some reason why it is still needed, but I guess the real reason behind it is probably much more malevolent. I think the later is probably more closer to the truth because of how the church knows theres no such thing a devil. | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 08-2007 |
I haven't posted here for a while, but I feel comfortable saying a few things, now. With regard to religion, I think that everyone should, first of all, acquaint themselves with, and study the concept of "religion" in comparison to "relegeon", and how the religions of today are mostly degenerate forms of cultural traditions and beliefs, many of which were directly manipulated by the Bafath to be used as mind-enslaving cults. Also, with regard to esoteric religious movements like 'the' O.T.O., in light of Dyson's expose of a paedophile ring in Australia associated with a group claiming to be Thelemic/O.T.O., I feel it's my obligation to further clarify that, in the occult, including among Thelemic organisations, one finds a wide range of persons as well as sub-organisations. With regard to the O.T.O. in particular, I don't know at all whether this so-called "O.T.O." in Australia responsible for the criminal activities there actually was the 'official' caliphate O.T.O., or whether it was another CIA-tied organisation claiming to be the O.T.O., such as the psychopathic S.O.T.O., or perhaps just a corrupt form of Freemasonry, etc. Certainly the O.T.O. who brought the 'defamation' to court were the Thelemic organisation "O.T.O. Australia", however. I have already stated that most people involved with any type of occult or New Age groups are simply misled persons with religious viewpoints or disorted beliefs. However, there are also some genuine mystics and independent thinkers involved in the occult, and originally many secret societies, such as a few of the ones from which Aleister Crowley stole his occult knowledge, possessed truthful information, even if it was mixed with false or religiously-tainted information. An example would be Rudolph Steiner's movement, who have already been discussed by Billy and the Plejaren. In fact, even though he was in many respects a scoundrel, a fraud, and a cheat who took credit for others' work, even Aleister Crowley has published a number of good books on occult sciences, such as on the Qabalah, as well as produced a beautiful deck of Tarot cards with the artist Frieda Harris, which corresponds to numerology and Qabalah better than many other decks. There is also a movement today which I find to be quite respectable, called the Neo-Pagan movement, which appears to be breaking down much of the religious insanity that exists on Earth today, to replace it with much more emotionally healthy and 'relegeous' philosophies, traditions, practises, etc. The foremost scholar and thinker with regard to the Neo-Pagan movement and the history of religious degeneracies, traditions, evolutions and cultures, is probably Isaac Bonewits. He and his wife Phaedra maintain a website, Neo-Pagan.net, on which several of their essays are published. Also, as a note, to give you an idea of the variety of individuals who are or were involved in the O.T.O., Bonewits himself was at one time involved with the caliphate O.T.O. of California, although nowadays he would refers to the O.T.O. and like organisations as 'Meso-Pagan' and has a 'Neo-Pagan' philosophy very different from the usual beliefs of "Thelemites" and "Gnostics" (which are often based upon crass and superficial interpretations of Crowley's "Book of the Law", which was an eidolon (a , probably transmitted to him by the Bafath. In the event that they take the "Book of the Law" literally, these persons would be basically Satanists/nihilists.) Since I think that Isaac Bonewits is one of the foremost writers on the subjects of Religion and Relegeon, I'll refer readers of this forum to a few of his essays which I find pertinent to these topics. The Religious Reich The Evolution of Dualism: A Chart What Neopagans Believe The Enemies of Our Enemies (The above-linked article is about Satanists and why Neo-Pagans should not accept or "tolerate" Satanism. In this article, he appears to demonstrate an intuitive understanding of 'forceful forcelessness' (gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit). I should note, however, that there is provably a 'network' of people (warning: graphic) performing blood rituals and mind-control, but that these people are in smaller numbers than paranoid Evangelists think, and they are usually Christians or Nihilists of one sort or another, and the main goal of these rituals, etc., is trauma-based mind-control, as developed by the Roman Catholic Church and the CIA. Also, conspiracies among Satanists would seem unlikely, given their egoism and inability to cooperate, but chaotic mafia-like 'conspiracies' based upon compromise, blackmail, and threats, etc., are unfortunately quite commonplace. The individuals involved range from Satanists to fundamentalist Christians, and the compromises involve everything from paedophilia caught on tape to documented involvement in cocaine trafficking. This is all coordinated by larger networks of criminals, such as the Yakuza, the former KGB, and the CIA, who, in their chaotic (dis)organisation 'manage' the 'network' of crime and intrigue responsible for most of the reports of 'Satanism' which their dualist counterparts in the Christian religion are so hysterical about. These criminal 'intelligence agencies' usually end up on top for two main reasons: 1) because they have the best technology and 2) because they have legal immunity. But, again, they can't be characterised as a 'conspiracy' in the conventional sense of the term, although there are a number of conspiracies involved.) One of my main points here is also one of Isaac Bonewits' main points: one can't simply label a set of teachings, etc., 100% false and thereby deny oneself the oppurtunity to investigate, using one's own Vernunft and Verstand, the true nature of what is going on, and consider human beings as fallible individuals, and not regard them as grouped automatons who robotically conform to labels and expectations. One can, however, criticise the self-destructiveness or unreason of particular teachings, behaviours, etc., such as Satanism, drug abuse, etc., and one must always take responsibility for one's own thoughts, feelings, actions, beliefs, etc. |
