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    Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 08-2007 |
Dear Shawn/Kingman, Note, moderators, first of all, that what I am about to say does not constitute a personal attack, but rather, a constructive criticism of a negative thought- and behaviour-pattern. That said, your manner of thinking and conclusions here are quite dangerous, and such thinking could easily lead to mindless fanaticism and belief. The idea that one should ever "not bother with" all of someone's "offerings" because they agree with this or that is patently absurd. Furthermore, discarding an entire category of ideas without thinking about and considering each one is utterly unreasonable and illogical. To contrast this with what I would find respectable, consider when Isaac Bonewits plugs a book written by a Christian pastor on his website, even though he disagrees with the religious teachings in the book--despite them, the book contains much wisdom and reasoned information. Trying to put entire categories of ideas, let alone persons and all of their thoughts and actions, into one of two binary categories, is the fundamental mistake of all dualistic religions. When you speak of "the past 2000 years", you should note that two of the three tribes controlled initially by the Bafath possessed the first recorded dualistic cosmologies--namely, the Persians/Aryans (Zoroastrianism) and the Hebrews (Jehovah, etc.). This is part why it is very important to consider Isaac Bonewits' history of religion. Billy certainly does not support the complete discarding and ignorance of the writings of everyone who happens to disagree with him or to be incorrect on a few matters, or happens to use unfitting terminology. In fact, the fact that humans are fallible is a major teaching of his. Moreover, Billy certainly supports that we each make connections and evidence for his teachings as we think them through for ourselves, both internal and external. Also, for one to read his teachings themselves completely adequately, one must learn the German language. What efforts have you made toward learning German so far, Shawn? The meaning of the statement that the teachings shall not be rewritten and falsified is that they should remain, word-for-word, in their orginal German format, even alongside any and all translations into foreign tongues. This has nothing to do with excluding the independent thought of others, as well as the isolation of oneself in a cocoon of Billy's teachings without regard for one's internal confirmative feelings and external phenomenal and interpersonal, etc., evidence. Salome, - Matthe | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 311 Registered: 07-2004 |
Thanks for your direct response Matthew. Whether my thinking is dangerous you would need to know much more about me than my summed up statement about the articles you post. The boiled down word from my statement would be 'nonsense'. But I too know little about you as well. My apologies. In my post to you I do come off as negative, and maybe I could of asked you a few questions regarding why you felt the need to suddenly inject links to information no one requested. Being helpful is one thing, sure. Increasing our sources of material, we all like to add something useful, I'm ok to that as well. Maybe can you first ask if anyone is interested in a subject before you link this site to other sources of misunderstood materials. A build up to gage usefulness through other members here would be more appreciated. You see now we have links that get archived without any previous conversation other than yours to correspond to the information presented. It's just a lousy way of doing business. This is not to say the articles you link to are of no importance. Non-importance is what I missed saying in my first post. Create the importance with correspondence. It was almost like you waited till things were all clear and could "feel comfortable" directing others towards those links. Kind of like when no ones paying attention. There's real value in building up to information offerings. Otherwise sometimes it just becomes 'garbage in garbage out'. A prior question about the subject you wish to link to,( unless of course there's an ongoing conversation about the subject) if what your wanting to do is being helpful, can only be better for everyone. As for your other paragraphs you write, huh? Where did I say that those articles are just rewritten teachings? Slow down cowboy. I meant that the world is full of half truths and worthless content written mostly from illogical concepts. A few pass the smell test but most are suspect. I mainly was inferring, and being that you are articulate, I wrongly thought you knew I was meaning to study Billy's information on a subject first, not solely. Notions are sometimes difficult things to remove for people and when newer folks read our forum impressions are always drawn. Should I elaborate more on this or do you see my point? German? I'm trying in as much as I can for now. Probably when I retire and can involve myself with more focus. For now I use translation sites and many of Billy's English/German writings for associating the two languages. Not enough, but then I never had thought I would ever need to know German.  a friend in america Shawn | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 08-2007 |
Dear Kingman, "Whether my thinking is dangerous you would need to know much more about me than my summed up statement about the articles you post." I'm afraid that this is only yet more dangerously confused thinking--namely, that your identity should be one-to-one with merely a single mistaken behaviour of yours, which it absolutely is not. This is the same sort of ultimately self-denigrating thinking-pattern as when a Christian identifies with their false beliefs, and refuses to change them because they are ostensibly subsituting for something emotionally/mentally 'missing' in their personality. This yet more ties in to my earlier statement. You may disagree with or criticise something which another person says or does, but you must never identify yourself or another person based simply upon some changeable belief, attitude, behaviour, etc. This is actually especially pertinent with regard to yourself. Do not identify with any belief, let alone with mistakes. A person's individual ideas do not constitute their identity. Slow build-ups to information are for the dinner table, and not generally for forums in which persons will want to go back in the archives and be able to find exactly where certain statements were made. (This especially given the enormous and inevitable lag in our conversations) Also, naturally emotions can be miscommunicated if one simply reads a statement and gives it a tone based upon one's own preconceptions--such as when one finds language that is simply harsh to be offensive or attacking. If I were saying these things in person, it would be clearer what I mean. If it seems that I'm only criticising and not complimenting, it is simply that the criticisms are more pressing than potential flattery--although I could flatter you about your interest in Billy's teachings, your demeanour, your politeness, etc. I must ask you, however, how you are actually feeling, although if you are not comfortable communicating that, you may quiesce thereabout. I value honesty enough, though, that I will say that I feel somewhat frustrated, although also hopeful. This relates to another topic of importance and relevance--the common confusion between thoughts and feelings upon the Earth these days, the difficulty distinguishing thoughts and feelings from one another, presumably due to emotional ignorance, which results in one acting without considering both as they affect eachother. It should be noted that this primarily appears to result from a lack of linguistic specificity with regard to these two forms of mental activity. It appears that this results in some kind of illogical mixture between the two, in which the thoughts are no longer used to analyse the feelings, and the feelings no longer directed by the thoughts, but instead, a person becomes complete subject to fabricated desires--corrupted feelings--which then shadow their true emotional needs which are naturally inborn. This can occur, for instance, when someone substitutes a religion, a drug, or any material thing, for the need to feel secure, to the point where the feeling of addiction to this thing seems in the confused thoughts to have totally replaced the actual emotional need. They then, for instance, might go to the religious beliefs for certainty, rather than to thought and investigation, or to a drug for emotional security, rather than to fellow human beings or introspection. This is probably the very psychological nature of all addictions--and since the abstract and the concrete are always affecting one another, it seems reasonable that this pattern of emotional addiction is just as powerful an influence as any biochemical addiction that might be involved. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 08-2007 |
* and the feelings no longer directed by and directing the thoughts, is how that should have read--directing the thoughts and actions toward things which they should attend to, which contributes to a person's psychic health, their moral compass, etc. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 284 Registered: 12-2004 |
Can everyone please get back to the topic... | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 993 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Alan.... Yes, I would agree with you. Would indeed be of a 'malevolent' nature/manifestation. And yes, indeed: there have been Popes whom KNEW....there is NO such thing as the GOD they idolize (or even a Devil, figure), but - are in for...for the Position and Power, and all related -. As a couple of Popes mentioned in the past(in the sense of): that this GOD(LY) Business is one Grand MONEY making Business! Thus: All their sheep are being Misled and Misguided by the Holy See/Chair (church)! Edward. | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 08-2007 |
Dear all forum-readers and especially Dyson, Perhaps the foolish mistaken impression was that because I identify some interpretations of The Book of the Law as particularly crass, I must be a supporter of the religion of Thelema in general and the more 'humane' interpretations thereof. I am no more a supporter of the religion of Thelema than I am a supporter of Christianity. However, there of course exist numerous versions of both of these religions, inspired by different motivations. The Law of Thelema itself goes as follows: Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be the Whole of the Law. Love is the Law, Love Under Will. I'll describe a few different common interpretations, to begin with; these are all pretty self-explanatory. The first of these of note is the Idiot's, or Satanic Interpretation, which could be described as follows: "The Universe is mechanistic, human beings are nothing more than animals, all moral systems have no basis in survivalistic nature, which is cruel and based upon the dominance of one will over another, therefore I, as a cruel, beastly animal, should exercise my will to control all other human beings whom I can manage to, as well as demand that all of my loves, that is, lusts and greeds, can be fulfilled. Lust is the Law, Lust under my uncontrolled and unrestrained, orgiastic, Dionysian Will!" The second major category of Thelemic interpretation would be the Gnostic, or Christian interpretation, that is: "Our Wills are Divine things that tell us what is right for us, and the True Wills are always in accordance with the Law of Love, which ensures that beings would live together in harmony if only they would follow their True Wills, and not false wills." A third interpretation is the New Age, or Pagan interpretation: "Live and let live. Everyone are brothers and sisters. We might as well just accept and tolerate one another, and accept and tolerate all beliefs, no matter what they happen to be. Everyone should just let everyone do whatever they want, so long as they don't hurt anybody. Then we can all groove together for the rest of eternity, because love is the law, love under will--that means that "all you need is love" and it's all good. Lots of other people believe in scary things like crazy gods that want to bring fire down on them and places where people suffer for all eternity, and they even scare little kids with all that shit, and that's all cool, just so long as they accept my beliefs and we all accept eachother without thinking about anything critically. That's like, dreaded Because, man. Pass the joint." A fourth interpretation is the Esoteric, or Philosophical interpretation, which spans a number of different arguments which often result in paradoxes or reductions to the absurd. Then there is the True Interpretation, which is presumably some kind of secret--albeit a poorly-kept secret, given that one can educe it using logic and an understanding of symbols; but whether it really is a secret, I don't know; I don't even know that there is a single adherent of Thelema today who has any clue about this true interpretation, in which case it would have been some kind of last laugh for the Bafath--an inside joke for a bunch of dead old guys who have been banished to a foreign planet. This interpretation is, basically: "The Law of Thelema is the law of Self-Determination (Selbstbestimmung). That is, deterministic models are untenable, but so are chaotic models, and one wills the future by modifying otherwise-deterministic outcomes (by modifying morphogenetic fields which act as attractors, modifying the past through a reverse-time causality). The means of self-consistency throughout reality is the Cosmic Will. A series of nested Wills, each dependent upon the Will which contains it, determine the structure of phenemenal Reality as well as all changes within it. The necessity of harmony with the Cosmic Will as well as recognition of the wills of other entities of all kinds is the Law of Love. To do what one wills is simply a metaphor for the self-construction of one's future within the context of the nested futures upon which one is dependent. One Will which one must obey is the Will/Laws of Nature. The ultimate Will is the Will of Creation, which consists of the super-ordinate laws which are the necessary axioms for anything whatsoever to exist." The Book of the Law consists of a number of ostensible heresies against Creation and idiotic and barbaric sayings which in fact are eidolic imagery concealing these profound symbols. For instance, when Aiwass says of "Now a curse upon Because and his kin!", and goes on a rant against all whys and causes, he is actually just expressing in a way which conceals its true meaning, the simple fact that a human being has free will which acts independent of deterministic causes. The whole thing looks, and appears meant to look, completely idiotic and crass at first glance, while being at the same time completely brilliant and profound. This is the joke of it. Most persons who read it and take it seriously will go insane, because they'll tend towards blind belief, just as they have been taught by religion and scientific dogma, &c. This is extremely profound to consider, given that these facts can be extrapolated to all religions, which indeed, are all based upon crass inteprerations of the Law of Thelema of one form or another--and all crass interpretations lead to nowhere! For instance, all Abrahamic religions are really based upon the dominance of one will over another--such as the "will of God", and they train Pavlovian servitude through simple reward/punishment systems, which negate true morality and any motivation to seek after a reason or a cause for action which is logical. On the other hand, Paganism in its common form these days is based upon the "do whatever you want, so long as you don't bug me" attitude, which is equally destructive and idiotic, since it allows the will of the hyper-controlling Christian, Jewish and Muslim maniacs to overtake the Earth without resistance. Then, the nihilistic Atheist interpretation of the Law of Thelema leads to barbarisms and inhumanities of all kinds being performed, such as in science--an ironic ignorance of the laws and cause-and-effects of nature resulting from narrow-sighted scientific, false-realist scepticism. So there you have it--a simple formula for all Earth-religions and false belief-systems. I just hoep that there isn't some loony group out there who honestly believe that this is their great secret, who should then come to get me. Although I'm generally opposed to paranoia, I've known some religious lunatics in my day, and they can be quite unfriendly. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 313 Registered: 07-2004 |
Matthew, Your writing about the OTO. This is an organization that deserves zero attention, especially in this form. Do you realize this is best described as lame, even if you feel your showing them as an illogical path. Their twisted version of living life in their version of religion is degenerate. That's all you need to say. Your zealous drive to delve into this manure is a clueless, ill-conceived, misguided, and a sloppy attempt at having your say. Those are harsh words I speak. While this is the non-figu area for posting about religions, this need of yours to expound your understanding, in your own 'crass' way, of the Thelema beliefs, is stale in it's service. As far as the other previous post conjecture, comment deleted You waste way too much time projecting on Shawn. This hopefully ends here. I work way to late sometimes to come home and need to correct your confused perceptions. Let's each look for something neutral/positive to become involved in and create a worthwhile energy, elsewhere. Salome, No more posts will be approved regarding the topic being discussed. We hope you will be able to just move on. If not then please email each other privately. Moderators a friend in america Shawn | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 08-2007 |
Dear all forum-readers, Note that the above is not at all the only model by which we can gauge religious degeneracies, of course. For instance, Rudolf Steiner produced a one-dimensional axis with "Ahriman" on one end and "Lucifer" on the other, with "Christ" in the middle. Ahriman represents materialism, Lucifer represents the negation of the material, and Christ represents a balance between the two. Obviously "Christus" is not a befitting term for this, since Qabalistically it means "666", although this might reveal to us that there are other "axes" involved than simply this one (and of course, these can be modelled, too). This actually can be seen in some ways as a left XOR right hemispherical processing-style degeneration, but it can also been as a simplification and infolding of two or even three axes of human personality. With the simple one-axis model, however, we can describe much, however. For instance, Buddhism (religious Buddhis, not necessarily true Theravada Buddhism as practised by Billy's teacher Bhante Dharmawara") would be a Luciferian degeneration, since these forms demand the complete abandonment of the material, rationality, technology, etc. Reductionist Materialism, however, and some forms of Christianity, would be Ahrimanic degenerations, since they abandon all spirituality and introspection in favour of a purely material world governed by 'rational' laws, whatever that means (it usually means that the laws of nature must be so simple as to either all be deducible from an ancient book, or from known laws of deterministic physics, which of course both rely on many ad hoc hypotheses imagined up in order to justify their unreasoned 'reason'). It is important to note here that Rudolf Steiner was, according to Semjase in the 38th Contact of 13 November 1975, influenced by impulse-telepathic contact with extraterrestrials. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 125 Registered: 06-2007 |
Matthew: To neglect and negate the material life is negative. To neglect and negate the spiritual evolution is negative. In other words, the equilibrium is the key. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her" | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 08-2007 |
Incredible, Yes, Equilibrium is the 'key', although even this concept must be further clarified: - "Equilibrium" is the 'key' when this means, specifically, neutral-positive thinking. - "Equilibrium" can also denote a horrendously dangerous and idiotic "karmic", dualistic philosophy, in which it is assumed that for every "bad" deed done, one need only do an equal-but-opposite "good" deed in order to "maintain karmic equilibrium", balance, and avoid any sort of "repurcussion from the Universe". Therefore, neutral-positive thinking has nothing to do with dualism, and is not established by violent oscillations between degeneracies which are perceived to be "good" and "evil". Salome, - Matthew | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Matthew, Warmest Greetings All, Matthew, allow me to pick up on one point in your post #57 for comment. To develop a new branch of this dialogue, as it were. >> "This actually can be seen in some ways as a left XOR {I'm sure this should read: "left OR"} right hemispherical processing-style degeneration, but it can also been as a simplification and infolding of two or even three axes of human personality." << Considering the "classic" model of neurobiology, relating to hemispherical processing. The right side of the brain is associated with processing the left side functions of the body. The left side of the brain is associated with processing the right side functions of the body. Example: the left hemisphere "sees" with the right eye, the right hemisphere is functional with the left hand, and so forth. There has been developed a process by Robert Monroe called Hemi-Sync (www.monroeinstitute.com). Hemi-Sync is shorthand for Hemispherical Synchronization. The Hemi-Sync process works as follows: Headphones are worn, and two sub-audible tones are introduced, along with some relaxing music. The sub-audible tones are slightly different into each ear. Example: the left ear may receive 400-Hz, and the right ear may receive 408-Hz. A "beat-frequency" harmonic of 8-Hz then "entrains" both hemispheres at this frequency in union. With continued exposure to Hemi-Sync entrainment, over a period as short as 6 or 7 days, neurologic pathways between both hemispheres are developed and strengthened. The Hemi-Sync process, with various entrainment frequencies, will induce states-of-consciousness known as Alpha, Delta, Theta, and so forth. As these different states are induced, the consciousness is freed to explore alternative realities, known as Out-of-Body experiences. Salome Please lets get back to the topic heading which is religion. If someone needs to respond to a post and it doesn't quite fit, please post in the appropriate area, more times than not the person will find your response. Scott-Moderator Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 08-2007 |
Dear J-rod7, I don't know about this particular method, but using light to entrain the brain to specific frequencies is well-demonstrated. For instance, one can cause a person to go into a hypnotic state, or fall asleep, simply by flashing specific frequencies of light in their field of vision, which they focus on. Actually, it was meant to read "XOR", meaning "A or B and NOT A and B". Although this is usually what we mean when we say "or" in English, or "oder" in German for that matter, but it needed to be specifically clear in this instance, since it refers to the use of only one hemisphere's functions without the others--I meant that Lucifer and Ahriman could be seen, perhaps, as corresponding to the degenerate extremes, either a left hemisphere with no right hemisphere (Ahriman) or vice versa. Of course, this is not an exact match, and in fact, both hemispheres are involved in both forms of degeneracy. But, this does tie in with Julian Jaynes' theory about the Bicameral evolution of human self-consciouness, which also relates to the origin of religion once this consciousness had evolved. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Mehraein62 Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 12-2007 |
Hello Marc (Marco Juliano) I wonder if i can have any well documented text about the crucifixion as you mentioned before as follow: ((In reality, Jmmanuel did not die on the "Y-shaped" cross, but later recovered with the help of others in the cave and continued to live his life, albeit in other locations. In other words, the crucifixion was a cruel event perpetrated by an ignorant people and held no real significance, holy or otherwise.)) via maybe P,s sources? Best Regards Salome | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 178 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hey guys, I have a question which I wanted to ask for a few weeks now but have forgotten to. In the chapter which talks about the Crucifixion in the TJ, Judas says that Jmmanuel was nailed onto the cross by his hands and not his fore arms /wrists/ as Billy and the P's claim. The theory of Jmmanuel being nailed to the cross by his fore arms has also been backed up by many historians, scientists and various researchers, so is this an error in the translation? Is it Judases explanation which is incorrect? Or was Judas somehow mis informed which I doubt since he was there! | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 98 Registered: 10-2007 |
Greeting and Salome Matthew_deagle, You swim in very deep waters. There are among us, some who are floaters, others who will not venture into water over their heads, these being inexperienced in such erudition. For these, a simpler presentation would be easier to grasp the concepts you elucidate with such eloquence. Illumination can only push back the darkness if the darkness can see that light. This is only meant as suggestion, not criticism. In which you have written, in reference: >> "The Law of Thelema itself goes as follows: Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be the Whole of the Law. Love is the Law, Love Under Will." << Where would you place the philosophy of the NeoPagans in the spectrum of your analysis? Certainly not among those of the "pass the joint" crowd, nor the "aluminium-hat" crowd, I should think. IMHO, the NeoPagans seem to be close to a true appreciation and understanding of the Law of Thelema. Their ideas would fit well among us in these forums. One question on the side, have you discovered who was posting as "The_Eye?. Myself, I found his postings were fascinating, irreverent, teasing, playful, and insightful all at once. Though you took issue with what he had to say at one point, I saw a sense of humor within his postings which provided a balanced counter-point. Perhaps he may yet rejoin us in the fun of the spirit (in the spirit of fun). Saalome Gam Naan Ben Uurda, Gan Njjber Asaala Hesporoona Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 358 Registered: 04-2006 |
The eye = Der Beobachter (the observer).He's a personal friend of Billy who offers a lot of information about Billy in the web, in a very similar format as Dyson, but in portuguese-brazilian language. http://truth777.00freehost.com/arahat.htm | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1014 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Mehraein.... If I may pitch in a few coins....? Jmmanuel was indeed crucified on a Y-Stake/cross, if you will. And he did recover himself, from the crucifixion and was aided and remedied by his Hindu friends whom were very familiar with Herbs, Salves...etc, in a/the tomb. They helped Jmmanuel regain back his health, to further live his life. To some point, indirectly, if you will: the crucifixion HAD to take it's course, in order for Jmmanuel to gain - insight - which was even part of his Evolution process(ing); and which of course, become a main event in history, to the mass and 'distorted' in many ways. It had no Holy or others significance, because in truth: it was only a "Lynching", so to speak; Evoked by the then Jewish priests, and the mass of people, encountered with this confrontation. Please read the TJ, for more detailed information. Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1015 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dave.... I am also familiar with your analyses. In practice, it is indeed difficult for a person to be nailed via his hand palms; which seems to not have any type of stableness to hang from for a long period of time. The hand palms would 'tear' out of the nail; and the individual would fall forwards. But, there has been cases, that the individual was not only nailed to the Y/Stake or T-cross, but also 'Roped'; wrist and arms. Which of course, we do not know of, with Jmmanuel. The most likely scenario would indeed be: nailed to the 'wrist' which has more possibility to have stability and no way of tearing out; due to the bone combination structure presented in that area of the wrist(as well as forearms). Which is also implied by certain researchers. It could indeed be an error in 'interpretation', perhaps? And with the knowledge, that Jmmanuel HAD to experience this event to gain a certain - insight -, would not make his body function differently than any other human being, I would think. There would be no exception for him to hang that long via his hand palms. Unless, Gabriel's genes played part here, that it made it possible for him to hang longer via his hand plams? Which I doubt? Or even his own Spiritual Powers. Thus, to gain the needed - insight -: his body may have to function (fully) just as any other human body, of Earth. Edward. | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 128 Registered: 06-2007 |
Hey. Each time that I speak about the ufo's subject with a religious, specially with the jehovah's withness, they say that the ufos are the signals of the end of the world, and those signals are created by the Devil to lead astray the peoples of the earth.  Look at this picture: According to them, the devil is a very evolved spiritual creature with an incomparable wisdom and power. Now I say, how is that such creature will live his life with the only goal of lead astray the earthmen if he can do a lot of things? That is a miserable life for a such creature to live. That only fit in the brain of a religious man. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her" | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 316 Registered: 07-2004 |
Incredible is correct, only a religious mind would find a place in their believing to accept that the Devil is behind this goal of leading man astray with his 'projections' of UFO's. The Devil is the ill available in every humans minds. It's just the religious priests who know how to mine that ill to their benefit. It's Billy's goal, and ours, to point to the truth and allow the individual to have an actual choice to ponder on, other than just having what a elite priest tells you what to believe. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 317 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Rod, Could you explain a little more by what you mean with this statement: IMHO, the NeoPagans seem to be close to a true appreciation and understanding of the Law of Thelema. Their ideas would fit well among us in these forums. Especially the last sentence. I'm unclear why you suggest this as nonchalantly as you have. a friend in america Shawn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Friend Shawn Kingman, Greetings All, >> "Could you explain a little more by what you mean with this statement: IMHO, the NeoPagans seem to be close to a true appreciation and understanding of the Law of Thelema. Their ideas would fit well among us in these forums. Especially the last sentence. I'm unclear why you suggest this as nonchalantly as you have." << To Quote from a song by Jimi Hendrix: "Have You Ever Been Experienced?" Truth may be found everywhere, if you are looking to actually find Truth. Sometimes Truth will be obscured by mysticism, by obfuscation, by deceit, by "the Great Secret", by analogies, behind rituals, or within myths. How do you know Truth when you find it? Truth will have a resonance with your Spirit, which will inform the consciousness by way of the FEELINGS. Un-truth will leave a "dull thud" in the FEELINGS. So, the key here is to be aware of your Feelings, in the finest sense. It is (are) the Feelings which give Power to the Fluidic force of thinking, the projection of thoughts, the Power to move mountains. Is Truth one thing, or many things? There is Truth in many (an infinite number of) "things". Every Truth discovered, will actually be (part of) a Sub-Set of a greater Truth, which is then also a Sub-Set of even greater Truth, ad-infinitum. Then the greatest Truth, which encompasses ALL Sub-Sets of Truth, is Creation itself. The Creation Spirit expresses itself in ALL "things", through ALL beings. Creation Spirit, Expressed as Creation conscious intelligence - gives rise to energy from which these material Universes are composed. This is the Love of Creation, to send forth itself in an infinite multitude of Spirit with Free WILL, to EXPERIENCE the ever expanding JOY of Being. Have you ever been Experienced? Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 308 Registered: 07-2004 |
Matthew, I read those linked articles you posted and if you find value in them I know now not to bother with your offerings. Your long posts amount to what? People coming to FIGU are looking for what Billy is dedicated to presenting. We are tired of the last 2000 years of the misdirect that has lead people to false conclusions. The truth had been presented to the people from real truth bringers. And soon the teachings are twisted. Rewriters of the truth are the problem. There's enough material available in the volumes Billy continues to grow without needing to read others attempts at what I gage as waste material. Save it for somewhere else, it's not useful on this forum. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 08-2007 |
Dear all forum members and readers, I think it's important that we consider what makes a cult, a cult-religion, a sect, etc. There are two major good places to read about this which I will mention now. The first is the FIGU booklet Sekten, Hauptreligionen, Sektenbeauftrage The second is Isaac Bonewits' essay about his system of cult-identification, the The Advanced Bonewits' Cult Danger Evaluation Frame I recommend that each person on this forum read and reflect on both of these. In the event that one does not read German, ask someone else to translate the aforementioned booklet for you. There are also other comments about cults, sects, religions, etc., by Billy available in English on the Net. I think we should always, however, consider each individual person for their own virtue, and not merely judge them based upon which cult or sect they happen to be enslaved by. For instance, although the Roman Catholic Church as an institution is anti-humane and destructive, there are even high-level Catholics, who one might least expect to, who promote the idea of benevolent extraterrestrial contacts, such as Monsignor Corrado Balducci. This particular Catholic theologian was even involved in Steven Greer's Disclosure Project. So, remember to judge belief systems, particularly individual ideas, actions, and other things which can be destructive, but do not mindlessly categorise people as though they were machines. Think for yourself, and regard human beings as such, and not as dualistic members of either the "us" and "them" army. Salome, - Matthew |
