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    Kingman Member Post Number: 318 Registered: 07-2004 |
I ask you Rod because I have a built in questioning device that activated the first day at the religious school my parents placed me in. I was sent to the Head Father for my questioning. It turns on when 2 + 2 = not 4. Yes, this is the non-figu area for religious postings, so your in the right area. I wasn't super seriously overly concerned about your suggestive statement, I just needed clarification. As far as some of what you post in your reply, well it reminds me of a man who went to find the truth in another country, away from all he knew. When he found his guru that gave him his answers, he then believed he was now an enlightened being. He was given a new name and is now known as that person. Oh, by the way, he gave to these wise men all he had brought with him on his quest( a new Range Rover and all his valuables he had at the time). He returned to the states and wrote of his change to this blissful, touched by God " EXPERIENCE ". The books were very uniquely written and found a reasonable following. The style he choose in his tales were very mystically dreamy and drug-like, even though he now no longer did drugs. Why do I bring this up? Well I'll sum it up by telling you his new name, it is Ram Dass (RAHM-DAWWSS). But the reality is he's known as RAMMED ASS. That was the intentions of the 'guru's' who named him. For they know that the answers we seek will be found inside you and not on the other side of the world, or in some sect with half truths that are designed to subtly control peoples lives. Billy warns us that these cults will become more and more wide spread as we move closer to the full immersion into the Age of Knowledge in 2029. You write: "Truth may be found everywhere, if you are looking to actually find Truth. Sometimes Truth will be obscured by mysticism, by obfuscation, by deceit, by "the Great Secret", by analogies, behind rituals, or within myths." Yes. And a lie can only be a lie if it contains some parts of the truth. A good example would be the Bible. A tool for the ones who control the masses. So I used my ' FEELINGS ' and that is what I felt in your original post. IMHO of course. Jimi Hendrix was a talented musician who died very young from a heroin overdose. Not really a very good example for an experience, IMHO of course. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 424 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi J rod, a quick question in regards to what you said about feelings giving thoughts their power. Where did you read this? The reason I ask is because I have read alot of the FIGU material and several of the books and I never got that from them. I might have missed something but it is my understanding that thoughts don't always have feelings attached to them (for example abstract or mathematical thinking) and that thoughts get their power from the consciousness, which in turn is powered by the spirit. I did always suspect that feelings were strongly involved in giving thoughts MORE power, but I haven't yet clearly found that written unless I passed over it or forgot. Any help on where you read that would be super, SUPER appreciated! Thanks... -Thomas PS-We can move this conversation to "Thinking and Thoughts" if it will fit better there :-) | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1037 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dave.... I was just looking through my old Meier Bulletin, nr. 3 book(ringback), and Billy does mention that in those days an individual was indeed nailed to their 'wrists', and not through the hand palms, as we concluded. Not through the hand palms, was de reason we also concluded. The nails in those days could not even have been 8" to 9" nails, as has been suggested. And in some cases they were 'tied': 'Such cases were rare indeed because the doomed victims were usually tied to the cross'[Billy] Edward. | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 141 Registered: 03-2003 |
Lightning strikes statue of Jesus in Rio De Janeiro. http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_02/ChristUPPA1202_800x617.jpg http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=513855&in_page_id=1811 | ||
Marksmanr New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2008 |
I highly recommend everyone to watch Zeitgeist (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/) and tell me what yous think of it. At the very least just watch the 1st part of the movie (which is about religion). | ||
Trevor Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hi Mark, Ring of Power is much better then Zeitgeist. It covers everything that is covered in the Zeitgeist movie and so much more 3 and half hours more! Very informative. A lot of it is centered around the Heberons, Egypt, Jesus, Religion, English monarchy, Bankers, ect. Very detailed. Not all is acurate but most is. Most of it fits in with the Meier material relating to the work of the Bafath. There is no mention of the bafath (ET's) in the doco, but anyone familiar with the Meier material can see what the REAL power behind the Ring Of Power is - The Bafath. Ring Of Power: Part 1 2 hr 24 min - 11/10/2007 "Ring Of Power" unrevises 4000 years of revisionist human history with never - before - seen revelations. "Ring Of Power" puzzles together the pieces of......... http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=8250619454941053618 Ring Of Power: Part 2 2 hr 40 min - 11/10/2007 http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-1158343264447729869 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 348 Registered: 07-2004 |
I sense more fear injected into the 'Ring of Power', than is found in 'Zeitgeist'. Also they are poised to consider, and suggest, the use of violent demonstrations as actions to change the plans of the power greedy. The idea that they are striving for One World rule is played out to be a bad idea for societies best interests, when that is what will eventually be necessary for this over-populated world to survive. Mixed in with some facts are stretches of imagination and cloudy bits of history that can never be proven. As far as fitting in with Billy's materials, I'll say one thing, Billy has stated that the 'Protocols of Zion' were not created as a plan for the subjects in the 'Ring of Fire' to take over the World. The fear inducing drama portrayed in this movie is obvious and deliberate. A motivational tool you say? Not a good enough reason to maintain the focus on such a lopsided extreme. The best part of the movie is the framing of wars and how they are truly started by those in power. But as we know, even a lie must contain some truth to be a lie. If they were serious in bringing the truth to mankind, they would research Billy's information and base the movie on historical reality that doesn't create contradictions, as so much of todays historical literature creates for itself. Until someone approaches a film equipped with the best knowledge available, I will continue with my skepticism on the reality these movies try to project. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 293 Registered: 12-2004 |
Please get back to the topic of Religion | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 294 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Mehraein, Although you were addressing these questions to Edward, I hope you both don’t mind my input. I moved the discussion here from ” http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/show.cgi?2200/1296#POST31715 “as your questions had nothing to do with the TJ. 1- I noticed you misunderstood something before and wondered why no one corrected you. When we talk of half truth, that doesn’t mean the there is another half with lies for example. What half truth means that if for example you are getting a birthday present for your wife and she asks you where are you going, and so you reveal half the truth, which is like “I am going out”, “I want to buy something”, “Need to do something” without telling the whole truth is half truth. 2- I am sure no one will deny this point. 3- It seems like you have not read enough, because your statement is totally incorrect. Regarding Billy, I have personally spoken to him about the issue of Islam and the Mohammed. And also read some of the books/articles that he mentioned this issue. Trust me, he does speak highly of Mohammed, especially mentioning that he never lied or cheated, and about Islam he recognises the good things in it, as well as the bad things. He also recognises the difference between moderate Muslims and Fanatics. But as I have not read all the contact notes yet I am not able to give you the details of what the Plejarens views are, since they were in contact with him I can imagine they would have at least respected him. For your last point FIGU does not support “persuading or convincing” people into believing anything. They try their best to make the information available and as clear as possible, it is up to the person himself to have an interest to read further without having to persuade him. 4.a- The current Plejarens helped in spreading the spiritual teachings. Their forefather had spread a lot of false teachings on earth. Although the Plejarens might have indirectly been involved in the creation of early Islam they are not the ones to blame for the blood that Islam is causing now or in the past. As most of the Koran has been changed from its original form, which will be clarified with the new book Billy is writing. Judaism and Christianity weren’t the creation of the Plejarens but that of earth humans. 4.b- Mohammeds teaching and “today’s“ Islam are not totally the same thing, but one can say that Islam that we know now, came out of Mohammeds teaching. Mohammed might have had unusual traits, but you have to consider the time and the environment that he was living in. Although I still didn’t paint the full picture of how it must have been at that time, I can see the people around me here in Saudi Arabia, and the tribal feeling still exists within many people and some other things that existed back in Mohammed’s days, not as extreme as back then. As for Moses, he was not a prophet. Never knew that “truth” is not a wise method.. but I do agree that people don’t like to hear the truth. 4.c- You have to understand that each prophet had a slightly different task, and they all worked for the same goal. And it was a gradual change, because that is the only way earth humans can start to progress again, it can’t change in 1 year or 10 or even in a 1000 years.. takes much longer. It will take some time for your head to get around the whole thing. I am still working on it myself. Just be patient with a bit of time and reading things will become clearer. 4.d- When I last time met up with Billy, he confirmed to me that more than 80% of the Koran is falsified, and this might increase with time as he is working on the latest book that helps him pinpoint what was changed. I will be going again in about 2 to 3 weeks and see where he got to. Hope this helps.. Salome, Badr | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 191 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hello Badr, You said, 'I will be going again in about 2 to 3 weeks and see where he got to.' Will you also be visiting the center sometime in the summer? | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 296 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Dave, Maybe, as I am planning to move back to Switzerland either this summer or max next summer. Will keep you posted if you want, if anything more feel free to contact me at badr.meeman@forum.figu.org as this is the "Religion" topic  Salome, Badr | ||
Mehraein62 Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 12-2007 |
My Friend Badr, Thank you really for your comment, but as I and everybody can understand from your comment: 1- It is saying of Falsified in FIGU text recorded ( Its meaning Clear enough) beside very simple when we say half True , It can mean half of it could and would be not True. It is very simple and real of understanding that any one can has , right? I think we can have more better explanation than this simple excuse 2- 3- You didn't get carefully my point. talking highly or not about Mohammad by Billy or P,s wasn't my main point (although I think you need look over the contact notes or figu boulten to see that it wasn't highly too as you mentioned here_ but let putting aside this as not any thing to my main question).... I,m saying if Mohammad is a real Prophet (as Jemmanuel also mentioned) , could a great portion of his teaching belongs to a con man (Moses) ideas, his teachings and his events?!! you this time Trust me and think some thing about these terrible contradictions in Members Language and maybe FIGU it self. this could be a very good service to the Mission as well. 4-a- Not clear enough, It sounds me like an excuse again. Life span of P,s is near to 1000 year so current race of them are not far from the time of the beginning of Islam here on earth right?...Badr, your saying contradict itself!...you are trying to say that P,s started some thing in the past (here coming of Jmmanuel) and than let it falsified and diverted by people and let the ignorance continue for 2000 years?!...I say we must can explain P,s and Billy,s work in a documented and logical manner not only saying and accepting the News. 4-b- pardon but not enough convinceble , we are trying to present our suppose and guess?! 4-c- I will continue reading...but my questions belongs to the very clear and simple News(Falsified teaching from start? answer: Yes, what is the reason and document? no body knows!! where was the supporters of the Mission at that time and why they let the Mission falsified? Answer: Nobody knowes!! so It is open the door for false knowledge , guessing and supposing instead of the real one right?...maybe we will see in next 500, 1000 year that be said Billy and P,s teaching falsified exact at the Billy,s living , any guaranty not to be this? 4-d- Badr, I Confused again, Real Prophet (Mohammad) , and 80% or till writing of this comment maybe 90 or 95% or much...ofhis book (Quran) falsified?! ..come on, uneducated , uncivilised , illiterates Arab Kamel riders had such a power, ability and cleverness that by impulses of Ashtar sheran , Bafath Group or Giza Intels nullify whole the Mission of a Real Prophet that had almost all the support of a most highly advanced entities?!!..you can believe it?!...we must not think in a very simple rational way? As Truth stands by it self , and any just heart (Salim) can realize , accept , and obey the Truth. I myself waiting for much more logical information (if there is any) Say Hello to Billy after me. I wish I can also sometime see him and personally Thanking him for all this great work indeed. And lets pray for the P,s that this time be more wise and intelligent than before, against all our common enemy Wish You Luck | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 297 Registered: 12-2004 |
Mehraein, 1- Simple excuse? If this is what half truth is meant by, why would there need to be any excuse. You just misunderstood, that’s all. It is an English saying. You can search google for the saying “half-truth” 3- In simple words Mohammed’s main goal was to create a force that would counter that of Christianity, because Christianity would have dominated the world. 4.a- I guess you haven’t read enough, why do you think I have to come up with excuses for you… Just read the history of the Plejarens and what they did in their past. The time span I am talking about is more then 50 000 years ago. And not only the past 3000 years. 4.b- I am not here to convince you 4.c- Well it is our fault that the teachings are falsified the whole time, and as you gathered there is no Allah, Holy Spirit or ET that will protect the teachings on earth. You will need to do your own work to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff. One of the reasons why Billys teachings are and will be harder to falsify is because he writes it himself. 4.d- Mohammed never checked what was being written on his behalf. As you might gather from my previous point his main goal wasn’t to spread the spiritual teachings. Well the way I read history there were some educated people around and it is known that Arabs are good in poetry. But as I usually say to people I am no professional and so I cannot say if it was impossible for people to falsify Quranic verses. From what information we are given by Billy and the Plejarens it seems like they were able to. In the end of the day the final version of the Quran was published after Mohammeds death, as you probably know. Let me give you a small example of a falsification, that was cleared with Billys new book, I am sure you know the whole issue of covering women and so on. What Mohammed taught was men and women should cover their skin and heads from the dangerous sun. So to me it is clear which version is more logic. Well good luck with your wait then. Wise people have travelled the world to find the truth, have spent many hours contemplating or reading. Others have spent a lot of time meditating and finding answers from within. As a conclusion to my answers. What happened in the past is not as important as what we are doing now for the future. You can sit hours and hours thinking and reading about the past and arguing and whatever, or you can sit down and read and study Billy’s writings, since you consider it as great work, and do something for your future. PS: Advice, if you want to pray. You might want to direct it to your spirit or creation, “which both are the same thing”. As this is the origin of prayers. And you might speak for yourself. As I don’t think everyone that read my post thinks like you do. Referring to your comment “but as I and everybody can understand from your comment:” Salome, Badr | ||
Mehraein62 Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 12-2007 |
Badr, Helas, I wish I could make my mind more clear by your so kindly comment. No any clear answer to some very simple questions How can we build a new system of thinking without destructing the old ones? if not Billy has come for this?...so how we must not think or talk about the past?! if any thing old must be damaged and new one take into effect? am I right? Best Regard Salome Wish You Luck | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 298 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi again, What we can do is make the information available for people to find, but it is up to every person on earth to change his own thinking. Billy has come to spread the spiritual teachings. Nobody said anything of not thinking or talking about the past. You misunderstood what I said.. again.. I said focus “more” on the important that is the now for a better future, which is quite different from saying “must not” think of the past. Thinking of the past is alright, but since you will not be able to prove anything it becomes a bit of a problem, especially that you keep on asking for proof or evidence. Salome, Badr | ||
Mehraein62 Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 12-2007 |
Badr, (Thinking of the past is alright, but since you will not be able to prove anything it becomes a bit of a problem, especially that you keep on asking for proof or evidence.) -So we must encounter in any step with a lot of historical subjects that have us thinking of the past, but there is no any proof or evidence? right? Only lets accept it because this is from Billy , because that is from P,s? Wish You Luck | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 299 Registered: 12-2004 |
Mehraein, Obviously depends how far you go back. It is your choice to accept whose version of our history. "referring to history of religion" Salome.. | ||
Mehraein62 Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 12-2007 |
Badr, expectable answer I will try to read and think more about the matters and hope to find the answers thanks again for your all friendly advice salome Wish You Luck | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1065 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Bahr and Mehraein.... Mehraein: thank you for your analyses. I think it would be wish for you to accept Bahr's advice and do some more Thorough Studying of Billy's materials. Putting the dots on all the "i's", if you will. One can not absorb all the concepts and facts, in one gulp, not? I think Bahr summons it all up in clearness and to the points. After all, he did visit Billy in person, and knows the facts to it's Truth, of contents and beyond. I would fully agree with Bahr. I have further nothing to add. It is only now up to you to analyse the mentioned, until this insight will bear the fruits....of...the mentioned into understanding, of it all. Just take it step-by-step, at your own pace. And of course: Thank You, Bahr....for you Wise in-put. Edward. | ||
Mehraein62 Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 12-2007 |
Edward at last you. 1- to the said subject almost nothing has solved for me as you see above and i don't intend reopen it again now. 2- just thanks to the Vivienne that only a sentence of her article about response to the criticism of TJ guided me to a point that burned the light for me. 3- I was reading your comments in Archive about your personally meditation experiences , i must say it was interesting and could help others too. Wish You Luck | ||
Mehraein62 Member Post Number: 105 Registered: 12-2007 |
Badr, All Forum friends, Badr I have a thought and also It could be a very serious proposal that if it could fulfill , I think it will get the Mission goes forward much more in a Cross-cut position. I mean we need also make the rest important portion of the world human society (Muslim people) more familiar to the Mission , very directly with their familiar book (Quran) , so: 1-Billy has said the current Quran almost has nothing any with the real Truth ( near to 80 or 90% of it) 2- As you all maybe know it, we have in almost all main Islamic sects and branches some saying that current Quran is not the true and original one , the real and original Quran is with Mahdi and he eventually in future (that it could be now) will present it to the world. 3- I think if Plrejans can bring the real Jmmanuel teachings , they also can help to find and bring the real Quran too. this is very rational and tangible I think. 4-It could help the Mission by the Islamic world side , It could halt maybe all misunderstanding, ignorance and fundamentalism , and for sure It will face with a terribly big welcome by the Muslim people also. Badr, as you maybe can realize better the sensitivity and necessity of the subject, if agree, you can pass my proposal to Billy in your next meeting , or he can also ask Plearians idea about this. I talk very sincerely about this and I think It will be a great job that will make a very shaking earthquake for other people and make them wake up soon and accompany with the whole moving ahead. Wish You Luck | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 193 Registered: 05-2007 |
Mehraein, ''3- I think if Plrejans can bring the real Jmmanuel teachings , they also can help to find and bring the real Quran too. this is very rational and tangible I think.'' But wasn't the Quran falsified all the way from the start? Was there ever an unfalsified version? And if so, has it survived all this time? Those are 3 crucial questions. I do agree with you Mehraein, a book about what the Muhammad really taught would be fantastic. But it could also bring alot of trouble for FIGU, because of all the fanatics out there. Now thinking back. Didn't Badr mention, that Billy was currently working on a book, regarding the prophets of old times. Salome Dave | ||
Mehraein62 Member Post Number: 107 Registered: 12-2007 |
Dave , Thanks, Yes he did, but it doesn't mean that it (Billy,s new book) has any thing with Quran , or in what degree, %? Right, FIGU maybe will got in trouble but also It will find a lot of friends, supporters , followers , etc around the world and between Muslims. I can be sure of it. specially when we think that the subject has a very good ground in Islamic thoughts, it will make a tremendous revolution in changing the people,s Mind to much better mutual understanding and so on... Wish You Luck |
