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    Badr Moderator Post Number: 300 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Mehraein I suggest you read more about FIGU and how they do things what the mission is all about and what they try to avoid... and so on. 1- When I say more than 80% falsified doesn’t mean that it has nothing to do with the original form. You might want to double check on what falsification means, so for example if Mohammed said you can do this, it was falsified into you are not allowed to do this. 2- Well what you mention seems to be more of a Shiaa point of view rather than the Sunni, which is beside the point of what we are talking now. Since the things Billy talks about has very little to do with what Islam teaches. 3- I had this same question when I first found FIGU and probably still on the forum. Like Dave mentioned as there never was an original Quran that was exactly as Mohammed taught it there is nothing to find. And Jmmanuel’s teachings was not brought to us by the Plejarens, but helped us find it. The book that Billy is writing now is probably going to be one of the most important sources for Muslims to understand what was falsified. And so he is doing something about it. Regarding your second post, sorry to keep on repeating myself but seriously, you might want to take a few English courses. I don’t mean it in a bad way, but that you can be clearer in your points and that you understand what others write to you. And so that you are also sure you understand the English FIGU published material. When I say that it will clear some of the falsifications that means that you will recognise which parts of the book are relating to Mohammed. Because most of the time its just small falsifications but are big differences. If you want to do something for the Muslim people and help them understand some realities you can do that by yourself. But I would advice first to study, study and study. And then you can help them but still continue to study. This is what I am doing now. Salome, Badr | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 314 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hello Mehaein, The questions to Billy section, located here:http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/2685.html?1006823994 may be a good place to find more information in English. Start from the archives and work your way to the present. It is information most directly from Billy... Salome, Randy ōæō | ||
Mehraein62 Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 12-2007 |
Rarena, Thanks it was really useful Wish You Luck | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi All, Ref Block 6 page 268 and 269. Below article from this weeks paper is interesting in light of what Ptaah told Billy in contact 236 in 1990 Praah told Billy that the Dead Sea Scrolls of Qumran, Jordan , ( believed by historians to be dated to the period 300BC-68BC) , does not unveil the story and teaching of Jmmanuel. But rather is about the founder and leader of the Essessner Sect, a person named Menachem. Menachem was a jewish scribe. A guy who proclaimed himself not only as being a prophet but he also saw himself as the coming Messiah , the person the Prophet Jesaja had predicted would come. He made out that he was the Son of God and disseminated Jesaja’s prediction in regards to the coming Messiah. This prediction, which he disseminated, involved details such as the crucifixion and the so-called “ raising from the dead” . However Jesaja’s prediction was referring to Jmmanuel, and not to him, but Menahem applied it to himself, claiming he was the coming Messiah. <snip> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,23994922-15084,00.html Jesus not the first messiah, suggests ancient Hebrew text Martin Chulov, Middle East correspondent | July 10, 2008 FOR the past 10 years, a Swiss antiquities collector stored in his home an oddly inscribed bedrock tablet he had bought from a Jordanian dealer. This week, his discount buy was hailed as a Dead Sea scroll on stone, with the potential to challenge the roots of Christianity. The words inked into the stone appear to refer to a messiah who rose from the grave three days after his death - but archeologists and scientists who have examined the tablet say it was inscribed about three decades before the time of Christ. This, according to several biblical scholars in Jerusalem, has cast into question the claim that the story of Christ was unique, because it suggests belief in resurrection was part of traditional Jewish teachings at the time. Regards Kaare | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 348 Registered: 06-2005 |
I was reading the same article in the International Herald Tribune, here is the link if anyone would like to read further. http:/www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/06/mideast/tablet.php | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 06-2008 |
Dear Badr: From all the readings, I understand that you have great knowledge in the Muslim religion. Well it turns out that my uncle and his family are Muslims, and I get along with my cousins very well. Since my family used to be Catholics, we never interfere in their believes and customs. We even share leftovers after Christmas dinners and they share the same after Ramadam. (Sorry for the spelling) So my cousin sent me an email the other day about an amazing discovery in Saudi Arabia; they found the remains of a giant person, and she sent me the picture. Would you be interested in me sending you the email or if you think it is a big hoax and you are not interested, let me know. Best regards, mb | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 394 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Marcela, I wouldn't say great knowledge, but I do know some things. Sure you can send me an email to badr.meeman@forum.figu.org Salome, Badr | ||
Phenix New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2008 |
Hi comrade Badr, I am new here - hello everyone! I heard about herr Meier and The Mission only two weeks ago - i know it is hard to believe in this age of communication, where the media cover everything! - thanks to a quite old presentation of the experiences of herr Meier by Randy Winters in relation to his book 'The Pleiadian Mission'(on Google video). I am deeply interested in the Message of herr Meier and i would like very much to know more from first hand. Could you please tell me where to begin? Are there books and other materials you would recommend? Thanks, Phenix. Hi Phenix, First of all welcome to the forum, please try to post in topics that are related to the issue you are asking about or typing about. Ask your question in the below link and I am sure other members in the forum will answer you as well. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/2082.html?1215834090 Plus you might want to use the search engine here on the forum. Regards, Badr | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1192 Registered: 02-2000 |
Just like the translation errors of Bible. I found this info on the Koran. The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran The work advances the thesis that the content of critical sections of the Qu'ran has been broadly misread by succeeding generations of readers through a faulty and exclusive reliance on the assumption that classical Arabic formed the foundation of the Qu'ran whereas linguistic analysis of the text suggests that the prevalent Syro- Aramic language up to the 7th century formed a stronger etymological basis for its meaning.[4][5] A notable trait of early written Arabic was that it lacked vowel signs and diacritic points which would later distinguish e.g. B, T, N, Y (Defective script), and thus was prone to misinterpretation. The diacritical points were added around the turn of the eighth century on orders of Al-Hajjaj bin Yousef, governor of Iraq (694-714). Luxenberg, like many scholars before him, remarks that the Qur'an contains much ambiguous and even inexplicable language. He asserts that even Muslim scholars find some passages difficult to parse and have written reams of Quranic commentary attempting to explain these passages. However, the assumption behind their endeavours has always been that any difficult passage is true, meaningful, and pure Arabic, and that it can be deciphered with the tools of traditional Muslim scholarship. Luxenberg accuses Western academic scholars of the Qur'an of taking a timid and imitative approach, relying too heavily on the biased work of Muslim scholars. The book's thesis is that the Qur'an was not originally written exclusively in Arabic but in a mixture with Syriac, the dominant spoken and written language in the Arabian peninsula through the 8th century. " What is meant by Syro-Aramaic (actually Syriac) is the branch of Aramaic in the Near East originally spoken in Edessa and the surrounding area in Northwest Mesopotamia and predominant as a written language from Christianization to the origin of the Koran. For more than a millennium Aramaic was the lingua franca in the entire Middle Eastern region before being gradually displaced by Arabic beginning in the 7th century.[6] " Luxenberg argues that scholars must start afresh, ignore the old Islamic commentaries, and use only the latest in linguistic and historical methods. Hence, if a particular Quranic word or phrase seems meaningless in Arabic, or can be given meaning only by tortured conjectures, it makes sense -- he argues -- to look to the Aramaic and Syriac languages as well as Arabic. Luxenberg also argues that the Qur'an is based on earlier texts, namely lectionaries used in the Christian churches of Syria, and that it was the work of several generations who adapted these texts into the Qur'an we know today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Syro-Aramaic_Reading_Of_The_Koran My Website | ||
Gib_niner Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 06-2006 |
hello all, been meaning to ask this for a while....but does anybody know - does billy in the notes ever say or give an account of who Krishna was? ie in the way that Jehovah was a corrupt plejaren renegade of sorts - exactly how does krishna fit into this pantheon of - supposed 'gods' of the past that were really extra-terrestrial in origin.. would it be accurate to assume that here he is similar to Jehovah in some respect?? ie is there an ET connection in respect to krishna - or was he just some highly evolved being that had wisdom and so forth. some illumination on this point would be great! cheers and saalome. | ||
Adysor Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 03-2008 |
might ask Billy Meier that if it's so important to you....I doubt anyone here can answer your question in other way than with their opinion Adrian. | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 06-2008 |
Gib, if ur gonna go into subconcious-related worshiping of "gods", Pelegon was the first one to use the word god and, overall, he was not a bad person because of his "ultimate sacrafice" on atlantis (by this i am refering to the unpublished details of his death around 50,000 years ago). "if a central truth was a reality at lowly levels of the human-psyche, evolution would not be possible." - JPM | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 682 Registered: 06-2000 |
Jpm ; Johnny , you never knew him . MC Mark Campbell | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1512 Registered: 12-1999 |
JPM, Could you expand upon these unpublished details regarding Pelegon's death? Is this something found in the Billy Meier/Plejaren's information as it has been presented to the earth people? Regards Scott | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 228 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Gib here is an answer to spaceman from Billy: Spaceman Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 03:04 am: Hi Billy, Who exactly is Krishna (the God in the Indian holy book) and the other devas? He (Krishna) claimed to be the abode of the Universe and the Supreme Reality and Creator of all forms of energy and matter. How can that be true, how did this lie get into the Indian scriptures as Krishna's words? Answer Most of these are myths, based on fantasies. This is nonsense. There existed ET's in those times on Earth, human beings. I would also like to draw your attention to Figu Special Bulletin 33 where Krishna and others are discussed after a readers question of which the following is my translation of an exerpt: ......"Neither the imaginary characters Krishna and Raama nor <divine> Devi could or can manifest themselves before single person or before the whole people{nation}, because what does not exist, can also not appear by a manifestation. " Krishna is mentioned in various other bulletins as well on the german Figu site, so I suggest you go to it and do a search and read the results using the page translator. Robjna | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 06-2008 |
scott, no i told you i saw this as an infant. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/3854.html#POST4578 i know that inger is probably talking about me. if billy admitted i was a JHWH then i wouldn't feel i had something to prove to people on this forum anymore. "if central truth was a reality at lowly levels of the human-psyche, evolution would not be possible." - JPM | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 383 Registered: 07-2004 |
JPM, All I have read from your postings strongly suggests you need to quickly recapture these lost wisdoms(?), claim your throne and begin having people worship at your feet, or see a qualified medical doctor to help you overcome your delusional creations that are now wasting other peoples time. There's no need to thank me because I won't respond. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 06-2008 |
Quoting The Australian newspaper Wednesday 10 September 2008. "Two black goats were ritually slaughtered yesterday "to do away with the shadow of evil" as a solemn Asif Ali Zardari pledged himself to "humilty & paucity" and took the reins of power in Pakistan. With a copy of the Koran held above his head, the widower of Benazir Bhuto surrounded by family said his first foreign initiative would be to China next week to seal a nuclear trade deal. As he moved into the white marble Awan-i-Sadr (Peoples House) presidential palace that dominates the Islamabad skyline, Mr Zardari 53 patted the goats before they were slaughtered. Hmmm .... ritual sacrifice of animals  | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 07-2008 |
Pay heed to Creation, indeed, Kameraden! These Times are extraordinary. We are privileged to have access to The Teachings of Herr Meier, provided we work hard within ourselves to Understand Them and Life according to Them. Almost every single day, there are plenty of information, documents, revelations/exposures, results of researches, old or new, coming into the Light and being disseminated, specially through the relatively free Alternative media. They are of course of different nature. Some are Enlightened and on the Path of Recognizing, Acknowledging Creation, hence following the Line set by Herr Meier; others are still in the sign of religious beliefs. What they do have in common is the Willigness to search the Truth and expose Falsifications. It goes without saying that The First and Unifying Source is and remains The Teachings of Herr Meier. I would like to post a couple of links, from other sources, dealing with the connection between Religions, Languages, Symbolism and Degeneration. I thought that it would be useful to critically compare those approaches with The Teachings of Herr Meier,to thoroughly test them, for by so doing, we could have an idea of the distance to The Truth that is still to be covered(those theories are quite popular on Internet) and judge, indirectly, the Progres of The Mission. The first link, called Esoteric Agenda, deals with the supposedly true origins of World Religions: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6030443037963555139 The two others are from a series of lectures(on the channel Amazing Discoveries) held by a certain Professor Walter J. Veith, called 'Total Onslaught'. They address Christianity, Symbolism, the Falsification of that Religion and the role of the Current Elite therein. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5505313512583412097&ei=qE3LSIqyIYquiAKArpiGAQ&q=walter+veith+secret+societies&hl=en http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-869614609770971945 Salome. | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 196 Registered: 08-2007 |
It is evident that the christian Religion resulted from a Perversion, Distortion, and Devilment of the Teachings of Jmmanuel, and thus lost its true Mission as a Vessel for the Spread of the Teaching of Life and the Spirit; it is also interesting that the jewish Religion and Culture was at an earlier Time infiltrated by the Hebrew servants of the Bafath (the Kings of Israel whom the genuine God of that Age forbade), while Judaism would otherwise have served as a perfect cultural and symbolic Balance and Bridge between East, West, North and South; Tibetan Buddism would have been an Example of Discipline, Philosophy, Sympathy, Balance, and Preservation of Wisdom, &c, but it was too stolen by the Bafath and used as a Centre for Mind-Control and Intrigues operated from their underground Bases in Agharta; Islam has in many Places degenerated into Fanaticism rather than preserved the Teaching of Mohammed. It is good for each Religiously Suffering to relege, or re-read, re-analyse and re-gather their Religion, in order to find again the true Mission of their Culture. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 03-2003 |
Mr M.deagle, In your message 196 you wrote quote It is good for each Religiously Suffering to relege, or re-read, re-analyse and re-gather their Religion, in order to find again the true Mission of their Culture. Unquote I guess what you try to express with your foggy and badly expressed English language is that if you peal back the layers of our current religions , and I am just taking the New Testament as an example – If you peal back long enough to almost 2000 years back in time, to the very first copy – then you find the truth., Is that what you, in your message, is trying to convey ?. Because if so – it’s wrong – because the very first copy , and that includes all the NT writings, (again using the NT text as an example) - were falsifications. Is that what you want to go back to ? Please explain. Regards Kaare | ||
Markcampbell New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2008 |
Matthew Deagle ; Where did you get the information that the Bafath had their bases in Agharta ? Is this from Billy's source or another ? "...it was too stolen by the Bafath and used as a Centre for Mind-Control and Intrigues operated from their underground Bases in Agharta." MC | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 198 Registered: 08-2007 |
Kaare, No, I do not mean just to 'peal back', but to restore true Religion through a Process of Relegeon. Revelation is what you speak of, whereas Relegeon (re-legere) is an analytical and logical Process, not merely the removal of some simple Veil. Again you demonstrate your Lack of Understanding. Religions are not just the Mind-Control and Venom put in them by the Bafath, but are also the Living Organism of Culture and Belief that emerges naturally in different Appearances around the World. To relege or relect these Cultures and Beliefs is to return them to their State as an Inflorescence of creationive Morphogenesis (furthering and founding the Development of manly Understanding and Witness toward Rational Perceptance (Vernunft)), and put an end to the Stagnation of Cultism. To relect is to collect back the central and common Truths of Religion, and to read again the allegorical Tales of these various Cultures, to find the absolute Truth and the Logic of Creation, and thereby to abolish the hateful Weed of 666 which infests all such Cultures and Religions today. Salome, - Matthew --- Markcampbell, You must study History for yourself and perceptantly note that, per the Plejaren, all Religions were reined in by Kamagol I in his degenerated Quest for World Domination. The greatest Centres of Religious Power and Tyrrany were Tibet and the Vatican. There were vast underground Cities beneath both Tibet and the Giza Plateau. There is an english Index to the Contact Notes, originally on Brinkster, online which may be of help to you in uncovering these Histories. Salome, - Matthew |
