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    Pathfinder Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 10-2008 |
YUP! "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 01-2008 |
Pathfinder; If you want to talk about taking things out of context, consider what you said here: "some still insist on labeling me as religious and calling me satanic if I say something like ' we are one with creation.'" You don't even seem to remember what you said, which was not 'we are one with Creation' but rather 'I am creation!' which you are not and which does, indeed, constitute a Satanic statement, but perhaps you are falling prey to your own religious idea of what makes something Satanic and fail to understand that what it really means is that one is acting in opposition to the Creation -- and seeking to elevate any human being to the status of Creation (as the statement, 'I am creation!' does) is precisely such an action. You've also implied in previous posts that I have equated the physical body and the spirit-form as being entirely equal in value, forgetting that every time I have commented on the matter I have qualified my statements to make clear that it is right now, during the cycle of physical incarnation, that the body and spirit are equally -necessary- for the spirit to accomplish its task. Again, with this statement: "But in short you say that Jmmanuel did not bring religion to the world." you demonstrate that you do precisely what you assume I have done, which is to not thoroughly read the posts of others -- otherwise, how on Earth did you miss that I explicitly stated that no incarnation of Billy's spirit-form ever brought us the mainstream religions practiced throughout the modern world today? Finally, you continue to make absurd statements which don't really warrant responding to because what you are saying is so plainly ludicrous. Wheat in a field can eventually yield flour, but as wheat in the field it is -not- flour (and it might just as soon rot, or be consumed by animals, as make the transition to being flour). Being one with Creation doesn't make you the Creation anymore than it makes a rock the Creation. And, even if one could, say, clone my physical body from a single one of my blood cells -- you forget the most important element of what makes me -me- and that is my spirit-form, enlivening this body, and the personality which has developed thus far in my life from my experiences... none of these things could you replicate from a single one of my blood cells. Don't forget that the spirit-form doesn't enter the whole process until 21 days after the sperm and egg hook up, by the way. Also, I've noticed that you object to the word 'tiny' to describe the spirit-form and should like to remind you that Billy himself uses exactly this term (albeit in German) to describe the spirit-form (a tiny part-piece of the Creation). At this point, I must conclude that you are either intentionally up to some nefarious purpose, or you are incredibly stupid/foolish and need to focus less on talking to others on this forum and more on studying and understanding these matters, because you demonstrate a real lack of understanding on some very simple things. Peace, - Gaia P.S My name is a proper noun, so if you're going to use it, please use it correctly. Also, there's a difference between then and than. Than is used when comparing or contrasting things (ex; this is better than that) and then is related to sequence of events or time (ex; what happened then?). | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 398 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello Pathfinder Edward, Actually I'm still looking a little deeper into my Perception of Your Understanding. You have written to Gaia: ["and yet any of those tiny little cells you say are not you, can deveolp into you exactly as you are. i would say that those cells are you. i would also say that you were one of those cells the day you were created, you just have alot more of them now."] We are Not 'created' on the 'day' the first cell of the body formed. The Spirit, which IS each one of us, takes residence in the New Body 21-days after it is conceived. The Spirit, which IS ME, came forth from Creation many Billions of 'Years' ago. Before I came forth from Creation THEN, I was at-one within Creation. Creation sent this little piece of itself that IS ME into the Material Universe to Learn, to Fail, to Succeed, and to Evolve in new Understanding. That which I have acquired in Knowledge and Wisdom through all the PRIOR AGES, has been propagated along with Me in higher and higher Values in the Consciousness Block. With EACH new rebirth, I assemble a NEW Personality, with the Capability to apply prior Growth into My new Life. ALL that I gain in the growth of MY perspective, in My Spirit, and in my Knowledge and Wisdom, I will bring with me back to Creation. This will be My Gift to Creation, for the Gifts I have received. Multiply this Process by an uncountable number of Spirits in the Universes, gives an Idea to You of HOW Creation Evolves. Having the Capability, however, does not make the accumulated Knowledge and Wisdom immediately accessible to Me in this Life - I have to Work at it, and Meditate on it, to re-acquire these Values. This is that sense many People have of "Knowing What We Know, But Don't Know HOW We Know." In Consideration of all the Billions of Cells which make the Body, Each and every One of them is also a 'little' spiritual Entity itself. They all are happy to do their parts within whichever Organ they reside. All the Cells Communicate with Each other to perform their Tasks in the most efficient ways. The Cells all have their cycles as well, of regeneration, of replicating, and of passing away. They see that My Spirit is the Overlord of their destinies. I must feed them well, and think well of them. They, all together, create an 'Electronic Field,' which may be perceived as an Aura of Light around the Body. The greatest Generator of this Field, is from the Collective of Cells which comprise the Brain. This is in addition to the Aura of Light generated by the Spirit, at higher, finer Frequencies. If My Thoughts were to linger on the Negative aspects of Life, the Cells may become Dis-Eased, and my Body begins to suffer. Such Negativity will then Shorten my Life in this Body. The Converse of this is also obviously True. Thus, the expression: 'As You Think in Your Heart, So It Will Be.' Ball back to You, Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 474 Registered: 07-2004 |
Pathfinder, You may of implied in your many posts here that Jmmanuel spoke such terms as , "...blessed be those...", and such, and the reality that the majority here don't consider Jmmanuels teachings as religion. I think the point being presented by others is the wording used from the times of Jmmanuel, that you carry forward into the present. As I said, you may of implied this already. When we hear/read similar statements, it is only natural that we form visions of a religious nature around such language. It's embedded in the human vernacular. So any objections that rise up to your statements in such form is only natural. Again, you quite possibly may have already noted this idea. Billy's materials do not sound anything like the religious material that pretends it is of the same value. Billy speaks to the human of today. His words are precisely chosen in my opinion, and as such steer very clear of the language of 2 millenniums ago( once translated that is). You are a very active participant here and I know that is better than not being active. A small suggestion is to keep it simple and short whenever possible. I realize there will be times when clarity rings strong and you find yourself elaborating wonderfully, but the feeling can be one-sided. I do enjoy reading others perspective, but long worded posts are challenging when expressing Billy's teachings. The simplification of thoughts are a goal that has its reasons. Any attempt by others to reach for that goal is very appreciated, at least by me. And trust me, I would respond more often to your postings, it's just life calls and I sometimes have to move along and let you discover as you are. But I do wish to help when possible. Salome, a friend in america Shawn | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 10-2008 |
to Shawn, Your advice is noted and believe it or not, lol, I have been condensing my replies already. I also like the way that Billy speaks as well in terms that avoid the relegeosity factor. To Gaia, i mean no disrespect with typos but editing takes way too much time. I believe you have completely made my point with your statement here: Being one with Creation doesn't make you the Creation anymore than it makes a rock the Creation. And, even if one could, say, clone my physical body from a single one of my blood cells -- you forget the most important element of what makes me -me- and that is my spirit-form, enlivening this body, and the personality which has developed thus far in my life from my experiences... none of these things could you replicate from a single one of my blood cells." UNQUOTE on the one hand you consider the human being to be no different than a rock with regard to creation, and then you go on to say the most important aspect of you is YOU acknowledging the great difference between you and a rock that makes your argument incredible in the first place. Personally i will believe what semjase teaches us about the wealth and creative importance of the human spirit,rather than discuss the importance of rocks in the spiritual realm. i think you have reached the point where you are just arguing for its own sake, and that is certainly not whay I am here. You have systematically won my case and contradicted yourself to the point where I see no point in continuing this discussion. To Jrod, the discussion with gaia about the cellular level was not in the context that you have supposed. but I am intrigued by your thoughts on the spirit energy in each individual cell and what to investigate that further. thanks for your insight. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 90 Registered: 10-2008 |
I must agree with Jrod on the packaging of the new wine. i think that will be critical in reaching out to newcomers, a point which Thomas has brought up in another thread. However I still point out that there is a need to see the similarity to early religion as something to discern and not fear. fear will cause you to turn away from any truth thats sounds relgious, when you should be using your logic to discern the truth from it. Avoiding it will not add that knowledge found there to your database, a loss to your fear of religion that is not necessary. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 404 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Monsieur Edward Pathfinder, Several times in Your Posts, You bring 'FEAR' into the discussion. Only two Examples...: ["I am trying to reach out because I fear that because of their fear of religion they are missing the teachings..."], and: ["...religion as something to discern and not fear. fear will cause you to turn away from any truth thats sounds relgious..."]. There is NO FEAR here. Where the Light of Truth Shines, there can Be NO FEAR. If You express 'fear,' then You have not yet become fully Awake to the Truth. What then is Your Fear? Do You Fear Your Death? If so, then You Fear for Your Life. Do You 'Fear' that You will be Found Inadequate? All are Given the Strength when Needed. Do You 'Fear' Discovery, the 'Skeleton' in the closet? Forgive Yourself, Your past cannot hurt Your Spirit. Do You 'Fear' Pain and Suffering? Accept these with Gladness, these give Great Wisdom and Strength in Your Spirit. Do You 'Fear' the World will End? Heaven and Earth WILL pass away, but the Spirit is from Everlasting to Everlasting. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 10-2008 |
i fear for my fellowman. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 114 Registered: 10-2008 |
A new religion erupts onto the scene reopening the old wounds created by the Plejaren ancestors and their part in the establishment of the domination of world religion we suffer today. Has anyone heard of it? Kemet. http://www.kemet.org It is a growing new age type of religion where the proponents attempt to reestablish the ancient worship practices of the Egyptians. they have designated a new age priestess overlord and everything who has made home among the pyramids. they want to use archaelological expertise to recopy the rituals and teachings of the early Egyptians and worship the gods of those times. How timely given the battle that we have taken upon ourselves and the recent blow that the Giza intellegence has suffered at the hands of the Plejaren? has Billy or the Plejaren addressed this as any sort of concern or possible rising from the ashes of that alliance? Will we have one more religion to speak out against us now? And with all of these other new age cults and religions springing up in the new age, how many more will we have to contend with? Are you really certain that a stand of quiet patience is the appropriate stance to take right now of all times? "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 494 Registered: 07-2004 |
We all probably mean, ' Concerned', not, 'Fear'. But if you wish to fear don't let me stop you. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 495 Registered: 07-2004 |
Pathfinder, I don't know of this new religion and I don't bother with them, what's the point? Unless you know their leaders personally, interacting with them is time better spent with the world around you. We can't change anybody. These people are doing what they need to do, let them. There is a proverb that goes something like this, 'If you enter a home and offer your truths to those who abuse you for speaking your truth, wash your feet of them and go to a home that will hear your knowledge of the Creations Truth.' Or close to that. The message being you'll reach far more people who are willing to listen, than those who will only fight you for your words. Time better spent. The pyramids have always been used in peoples belief systems, so there are no revelations in that aspect. This is one of those times when you hear someone in the back of the assembled onlookers say' Move along, nothing to see here...'. Only this time it's true. It's interesting to read of these new movements, but that's usually all there is to it. If you notice anything about Billy's life, patience would be one of them. He sets many good examples for us to study and to not realize those things is to be missing part of his teachings. Don't follow, just study. a friend in america Shawn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 422 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** There is a Book that I can recommend to You: The Kybalion by Three Initiates. This the Hermetic Philosophy of Ancient Egypt and Greece, the Philosophy of Hermes Trismegistus, and no, has nothing to do do with any religion. And You ask: ["Are you really certain that a stand of quiet patience is the appropriate stance to take right now of all times?"] = YES. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1606 Registered: 12-1999 |
Jacob has partially re-written the Kybalion with supplemental information from Billy. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/3560.html | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 423 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Scott, Thank You for the Link. Jacob is at the Top of my List of "Go-To-Guys." *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 496 Registered: 07-2004 |
Jacob is greatly missed. I'm sure he's contributing somewhere. It would be a nice treat to hear from him every now and then. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 128 Registered: 10-2008 |
I am curious about how another race would look at the wonder of creation and the origin of the universe. we have been considered unique because of our willingness to accept monotheistic teaching by the Plejaren ancestors. But isn't it natural for any being pondering the existence of creation to consider its maker? Wouldn't any being, from any planet, that is at our state of evolution and knowledge, or lack of, think about a Creator Being as responsible for all that it looks upon? No matter what planet a human comes from, it would see the reason for the existence of complexity as intelligence of some form. I guess it would be natural to want to imagine a Creator in your own image simply for the sake of being able to put a face on it, but even if one was not of that frame of mind and was willing to accept any possiblitiy, they would still assume intelligence and ability of incomprehension. So how is that we are unique? Wouldn't the same have happened anywhere else in the universe? And what are the odds that it didn't actually happen elsewhere? Why only here when they were obviously travelling to other worlds. It would seem to me that any human pondering creation anywhere in the universe that was unaware of the truth having not evolved to that point yet, would imagine an intelligent and powerful Creator of some form. I understand that we are lost in our religious ways, but I am not so sure how we are unique in that regard. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 09-2008 |
Greeting Everyone, I was reading this article today about economy; http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-boyce/the-darwin-depression-tim_b_151336.htmls There was a link at the bottom about one of those self proclaim end time prophets by the name of Ronald Weinland, offering this free book; http://the-end.com/2008GodsFinalWitness/?gclid=COfz3cDQxpcCFQcfgwodGlDdQw I thought it is an interesting read; apparently, he is talking about the only “true God of Abraham!” whom he claims to be the prophet of! Anyone knows or wants to comment anything about this one? Salome, Zhila, THANK YOU BILLY. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 503 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello All Warmest Greetings Creational Zhila, Such "End-Time" prophets seem to be crawling out of the Woodwork. This Person, namely Armstrong, is one who has found a 'little piece of truth' and has used this to push his false beliefs into the world. This he does without realization that the nonsense is built upon falsified books. The bible of the Christians was corrupted several hundred years after the time of Immanuel (Jmmanuel). This was done in the time of the Roman Emperors to appease the populations, which were near to riots over the conflicts of religions in the time. Read about "The Council of Nicea" at this website: www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/sbrandt/nicea.htm This is compelling, so you may also read here: www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html To point out ALL which was falsified, re-written, expunged, and fabricated wholesale, would take a Book to describe. Similar problems and false teachings crept into all the Texts of all the World's religions. Such things were done so the powerful could seize the minds of the ignorant populations, to control them, to extract money from them, to cause them to hate any who do not believe the same as themselves, to blind them from seeking Truth for themselves. ["The Earth humans would rather hear false prophets and sect gurus and thereby would rather make allowances for damage, woe, pain, destruction and sorrow than hear the wise words of a true announcer of the truth."] -Ptaah From: www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_427 Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 237 Registered: 10-2008 |
To all who seek after truth, What exactly is religion and how is following Meier's teaching different? We come here with open minds in search of truth we could not find elsewhere. The spiritual teachings of Billy Meier and the Plejaren have merit, and seem to meet with the aspects of creation that we deem logical to our way of thinking. And they also point out the folly of where we were previously. But as seemingly truthful as any teaching may seem to be, we must always discern them with an open mind, to be sure that we are not becoming complacent to applying logic in our discerning of the truth from deception or mistake. Intellect and wisdom promote open mindedness that evades the confining nature of delusion and traditional deceits. The eye of the mind must always be open, never tiring and becoming lazy, to allow the light of truth in to overwhelm the darkness of blindness. To have an open mind one must always be receptive to external thought other than one's own, even to criticism of things one has already learned. For if one has been misled, misguided or misinformed, than how would one ever correct that mistake. To have an open mind one must be willing to be proven wrong, which means that one must almost never attain a certainty of anything. For should one be wrong, and the truth professed to him afterwards, his certainty becomes the closed mind that blinds him once again. For example, and this is not an accusation, but an observation for the sake of example; What if the Plejaren are deceiving us again? If they are, and we are not open minded about that possible truth, than we have learned nothing from our past mistakes. Which is why the Plejaren teaching is so adamant about being open minded, and continuously striving for truth. We must always be receptive, and then discerning. So with this in mind, what exactly is religion? We have defined it as delusion and untruth rooted in fanaticism. And BEAM tells us that man's tendency toward this fanaticism is what the Plejaren used to their advantage in the past. This may or may not be true, but it certainly seems likely given what we know from personal experience and history. But we also know that there is a more spiritual aspect to religion that goes deeper into the psyche than delusion or deceit. In most cases a person is born into the religion of their parents.This then becomes their social being and awareness. Few even bother to question their traditional beliefs because it is so intertwined with their everyday existence, and in many cases a conflict could create chaos in their life. Many intelligent people are settled in religious persuasion, and even when they doubt, they continue to remain tolerant for the sake of comfortability. Others become unsettled with their questions, and become motivated by their urges to seek other answers, being unsatisfied with what they hear. But even they usually just go from one religious persuasion to another. In reality, even the traditional inheritors had to have ancestors that intially adopted that families' traditional beliefs from scratch. Religion always becomes rooted in man's desire to seek the truth about who and what we are, and where we come from. When that curiosity is subdued by comfort, and the mind becomes lazy, people will settle into their beliefs. Religion is nothing more than laziness of mind, where man settles on what he chooses to believe, and closes his mind to any criticism or difference of thought. Religious scholars around the globe study through volumes of information to confirm what they believe to be truth. And believe that the knowledge they have acquired has become an intelligence that cannot be denied. And yet, their so- called intelligence has only closed their mind. Volumes of untruth cannot even begin to compare with the wisdom in even one phrase of truth. Therefore the scientist should never become frustrated with the student who cannot keep up with him intellectually, because as soon as he does, he has stopped learning himself. The wise scientist should always be a student himself, otherwise he only becomes religious, in that, religion is actually the end of learning. For one has not learned anything, no matter how many volumes of information he has stored, if that information is not the truth. Knowledge only comes from truth, and truth only comes from being open to it when it is presented to you. Seeking the truth means always being ready to dismiss it when you discover it is a mistake. Without the openness to correct mistakes that you adopted as truth, you are also void of the openness to acquire further truth when it does come before you. That openness of mind must work both ways in order to be effective, otherwise we become religious about what we have adopted. So whether religion is inherited, or we are lured into its promises, the key to all wisdom will never be in the messages, the true key will be in the determined openness to reject what we have adopted for new ideas that could be corrections to our mistakes. I would rather live life correcting mistakes than to settle on one untruth and remain there. This is the real difference between what BEAM teaches and religion. And many here need to remind themselves of this. We are all reaching out. We are all creatures of curiosity with an immeasurable playground in which to to discover secrets. To believe that you know anything, means that you have already learned nothing. If all of Meier's teaching are untruths, than ten years of accumulating them will not compare with the wisdom of one small post containing a few sentences of truth. If the Plejaren are deceiving us once again, than it won't matter if the entire world turns their way, it will still be untruth and deceit. Whether one is a spirit that will someday be resurrected into a heavenly kingdom with their creator at the end of this life, or a spirit that must evolve through many lives to ascend to such a pure spiritual existence out there somewhere, it becomes religion only when that spirit closes its mind to truth and becomes unable to correct further mistakes. Life is an experiment where we gather information by testing over and over, not to prove the truth, but to find that one time where the test fails, and truth reveals itself by exposing the deceit of what we thought might be truth. What we believe here, or anywhere, we must be always ready to abandon with open minds, or the experiment ends without ever finding the truth. The experiment must never end because it may be the one billionth time that the test will fail and disclose the real truth. Whether we want to call that first cause of existence God or Creation; whether we believe in reincarnation or atheism; the truth becomes unattainable as soon as we believe we have found it. Remember the old adage, " Why do you always find something in the last place you look?" What I have learned here is that we must be always on the lookout for truth, never clutching so tightly to what we find that we cannot put it down. By accumulating knowledge in this way we become wiser and more logical, and as we learn truth, we evolve with it. I have also learned that all of the truth of creation is not going to be found on this tiny little pinpoint of the universe alone. The Plejaren believe that evolving is gathering knowledge, and waiting for change to happen individually. My spirit is not that patient. I believe that searching for truth does not mean waiting for truth to come to you, but for you to seek after it, and tracking it down like prey. I believe that an open mind is a bottomless collector, and to collect one must move about. One does not fill the berry jar by picking off of one bush. Maybe, in the course of stalking and hunting for truth, there are others who can offer truth and teach technologies and abilities that can advance us, without having to wait for evolution. Whether that is a good, or bad thing, is not an issue when we are going to learn from any mistakes, and continue to move forward anyway. Making mistakes is as much a part of learning as correcting them. The scientist does not wait until he becomes a scientist before he begins experimenting; instead he becomes a scientist by experimenting. What other possibilities are out there? Are there other extraterrestrials waiting to be met that can offer immediate assistance, or teach us abilities that we can then apply ourselves for the benefit of mankind? Why not keep an eye out as we track down the elusive prey we call truth. A good hunter always observes everything in the forest around him as signs and clues to help him locate his prey. This is how we find the opportunities. A hunter with his eyes closed will not find anything but obstacles. My search is as endless as my stalking grounds are limitless. I may never corner the truth, but I will make sure that it can always find me. The one thing that I am certain of is that the creation around us is of intelligent design. There is no doubt about that truth. It is as obvious as opening your eyes. And my spirit, being part of this creation, is created with a factor of that same intelligence. Whether the creating intelligence is called god, or creation, matters not to me. What matters is that its effect on me is to seek after it. Whether or not the creator will ever interact with me on a personal basis remains a part of the mystery that I hunt for, and whether I find the truth in this life, or another life, I always remain the hunter. And using the creation as a guide and a comparison, I see that life does not end with the demise of the physical, but is constantly being renewed and replenished. The mystery of the spiritual reality of creation goes far beyond the material that we see, and to me that would include death. I am an immortal being who's spirit will continue just as creation continues, and I will carry this identity with me throughout my existence. The Great Spirit holds the truth; the created spirits bring the truth recognition. And because we each bear that obligation to Creation, we each maintain our individual perspectives and appreciations, so that each of us maintains an individual identity that we carry forever and offer to our creator. My hunt continues as I move from this field to another. Good tidings to all! I will be back to visit regularly with new thoughts I manage to hunt down. Sincerely, Pathfinder, Now known as HUNTER "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 09-2007 |
PATH HUNTER,you wrote: “The Plejaren believe that evolving is gathering knowledge, and waiting for change to happen individually.” What makes you think this? Each person brings about his/her own change. Or do you mean that there is a waiting for others to evolve? I for one am not waiting for anything from others because I don’t expect anything from them. That everyone follows at their own pace is just a obvious fact. Even getting to find Billy’s photos and texts is instigated by one’s own evolution and desire, and it may not even be immediately accepted. “Maybe, in the course of stalking and hunting for truth, there are others who can offer truth and teach technologies and abilities that can advance us, without having to wait for evolution.” You don’t have to wait for evolution. Why not forget expectations and just simply evolve? Why qualify evolution as fast or slow? What matters is that it does happen, even if it comes in a daily stream of tiny steps instead of an imagined “jump”. “Are there other extraterrestrials waiting to be met that can offer immediate assistance, or teach us abilities that we can then apply ourselves for the benefit of mankind?” People must be respected in their path. This is a law of nature and there is no way around it. Evolution can’t be forced to happen, just as it can’t be forced to not happen. About your thoughts on religion, I think you are on the right track. No matter what one reads, everything is in life always. It just happens that one may look at it in different ways. One can find a new way to look at life, and then find oneself in a whole new Universe. Sure, outside sources may enlighten us, inform us, give us ideas, but the desire and the creation are of our own responsibility. I am certain that you will be able to find knowledge and wisdom, no matter where your hunt takes you. You may even come to see what you’ve read here in a new manner. David | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 238 Registered: 10-2008 |
David, Thanks for your thoughts. Evolution is just a natural progression of growth. progression can be slow or quick depending on the experiences. Discovering how to start a fire was a jump in evolution. Was that wrong? Creating the microwave sped things up considerably in the kitchen. Was that wrong? Is it wrong to desire to seek things that will speed up the course of progression? Sincerely, Hunter "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 09-2007 |
Pathfinder, weren't you referring to spiritual evolution? If you did, then what do you have in mind that could accelerate it? The way I see it, it’s not the eventual written materials that cause evolution. They can be a part of practices which cause certain advancements, but only when the person has the will and the desire to achieve something. You can’t force that desire into someone. But life will, at some point. David | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 516 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Warmest Greetings to All in Peace Hunter, [ "By accumulating knowledge in this way we become wiser and more logical, and as we learn truth, we evolve with it." ] To quote from Jacob's discussion on the Kybalion...: "The possession and accumulation of Knowledge, unless accompanied by a manifestation and expression in Action, is like the accumulation of precious metals, a vain and foolish thing. Knowledge, like Wealth, is intended for Use, the use of Knowledge is creative. The Law of Use is Universal. Who doesnt use Knowledge only knows it half-way, (who only knows their self and others half-way /Rod). Who knows things half-way will never finish what they start or truly understand what they know. "A truly knowledgeable person equals an Eagle. This animal 'knows' it can fly, this knowledge is to its own, when it jumps of a cliff, it sears through the skies, carried by its wings. A truly knowledgeable person will succeed because his knowledge is part of himself, like his hands and his feet." Logic flows into Love and Love flows into Logic. Meditate on this to obtain to an internal sense of meaning. For a guide to this meditation, there is more from the Kybalion by Jacob...: "Love is the absolute balance between positive and negative, unification of both, its the absolute finest energy in the Absolute Absolutum, its the substance of all being. "Together Logic and Love form a hyperunity in Absolutum, which results in finest Spiritual Energy. . Logic is the selfcreating principle and has its substance from Love. . Love is the substance of all being, Logic brings order to all being. . Love is BEING(SEIN), Logic Creates BEING(SEIN)." For further reference and elucidation on these principles, see at this Link...: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/3560.html “THE LIPS OF WISDOM ARE CLOSED, EXCEPT TO THE EARS OF UNDERSTANDING” -Kybalion And you ask also: [ "What exactly is religion and how is following Meier's teaching different?" ] Well sir, as much as can be said in a SHORT post here...: Religion is Dogma, blind FAITH, ceremony, SIN, delusion, Obedience-OR ELSE, the promise of 'salvation' by someone ELSES' actions, with 'scripture' set-in-stone, to FOLLOW the leader/priest/pope/mullah without question, limited in scope, short of Truth, and misleading. Religion is "for the masses" in their continued ignorance, gives freedom from self-responsibility, is a means to Divide people, and is a Tool for social Control. Just for starters. So how does THIS differ from the Teachings of Creation? ... For this, you must Understand the Teachings. I suggest for you - Start with the Contact Notes. Begin with #1, understand this one, then proceed to #2, &c &c. THEN study and meditate upon the Teachings. When you find Resonance with your spirit, then you will Know. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 |
