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Thomas2008
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 01:36 am: | 
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I'd go along with that too. |
Redbeard
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 07:35 am: |
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In noting the reference to the 11,000 years from Adam to Maria's impregnation in TJ 1:85 it makes me wonder if Noah and the ark actually took place, because somewhere in the questions answered by Billy, he says that the destroyer or a similar comet or planet came through about 100,000 years ago and there was an ark of some sort built for the purpose of survival for 125 people as well as animals. So is the account of the ark bestowed on Noah or did he have his own flood to contend with somewhere between adam and jmmanuel???? |
Redbeard
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Post Number: 4
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 06:13 am: |
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The thought occurred to me to check the old testament for references to the name or title CHRIST to see when this was First used. Doing several searches for it I wasn't able to locate any until you enter the New Testament, and it is used by Paul and others extensively after the first 4 NT books. This would give some support to the idea that those involved in the falsification of the TJ did so after the OT books were well known and couldn't be altered to include the word CHRIST would also put more scrutiny on the rest of the NT as being totally corrupted. I also read somewhere in Billy's Q&A that revelation was not even written by John but by someone else..
It seems odd if not arrogant to do a complete name change unless the writers of Matthew were trying to bring in the Negative influence of the name jesus christ. I have read some references to this name (J.C.) as being similar to a curse or something enslaving to it in regard to the use of it as a spoken incantation or something. Whenever I'm around someone using it, it kind of makes me start thinking about what is being said here.... Has any one studied this. Most of the time I hear it as a swear word. I guess in that respect Jmmanuel would be glad that they changed it......
Does any one know if the Giza people had any hand in the Fiction writing or not? |
Jim
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Post Number: 82
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 08:45 am: |
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Since "Christ" means "Anointed" one finds many references in the OT on "anoint." Paul was the first to put in writing "Jesus Christ."
Evidently it was the writer of the Gospel of Matthew who started the great falsifications of the TJ, in early 2nd century. Having once been a Pharisee and perhaps even a rabbi, he knew the OT Scriptures well, but did not always quote them right in trying to make them apply to "Jesus." But of course the OT writings often contained distortions and lots of omissions, judging from the TJ. Yet the NT is worse off yet.
I don't see any need to invoke the Giza people in the writings of the Gospels. |
Edward
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Post Number: 1043
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 06:47 am: |
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Hi Redbeard and Jim....
Very well described, Jim!
The Giza Intelligence had NO influence as you mentioned; to some point.
Their only influence, as I know it, was in the early times when the so-called
Israelites/Israelis as a Nomad Tribe were very easily influenced; and whom
became known, by their own error, as Hebreaons/Hebrews.
As Christian once mentioned: they fabricated themselves as Self Appointed
Priests, in the desert..amongst others. And Altered what they knew about the
scriptures and all related.
It is not mentioned, for 'how long' the Hebrews were manipulated by the Giza
Intelligence, though. And when it ended.
Due to this event, and other earlier Christian Manipulations(church leading
individuals...etc.), in Modern Times(political leaderships...etc..), as well as
influencing certain individuals whom later incorporated themselves into
Adolf Hitler's agenda. This would be about the Influence periods executed
by the Giza Intelligence.
As Jim, explained: the rest was done by no other than human Ignorance itself,
it be Consciously or Unconsciously done.
Edward. |
Hoeller
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 10:58 pm: |
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According to my understanding of the Talmud Jmmanuel, Jmmanuel was lifted up in a metallic light after being baptized by John in the river Jordan where he then journeyed for forty days and forty nights between the winds of the north and the west where he recieved the arcanum of knowledge. The Talmud mentions that the guardian angels/celestial sons were to evaluate this site for the chosen ones and that Jmmanuel eventually arrived at the palace of god at some point. The writings also mention that god was of giant size like that of the celestial sons he ruled over and that he was the ruler over the three human lineages that he and the celestial sons helped to procreate. So my questions are simply, "Who is this god that the Talmud Jmmanuel speaks of?", "From what part of space did he originate from before arriving here on earth with the celetial sons?" and, "Who are the chosen ones mentioned here?" |
Indi
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Post Number: 188
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 06:42 am: |
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"Who is this god that the Talmud Jmmanuel speaks of?"
From my readings I am led to believe it was Jschwisch Kalatan
"From what part of space did he originate from before arriving here on earth with the celetial sons?"
From Erra in the Plejaren system.
"Who are the chosen ones mentioned here?"
Not exactly sure of the answer, but will take a guess -- the term 'chosen ones' is likely to refer to generally, those who are capable of understanding the teachings. However, in this case, it is possible that it is referring to the specific group of ET's who set up a camp/dwellings for themselves, in order to provide a place for Jmmanuel to be brought.
Just my thoughts after doing some reading.
in peace
Robjna |
Marcela
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2008 - 12:55 pm: |
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Hi everybody,
Jmmanuel clearly states that god is a person like us and he is the ruler over three human species, but where is he now? Is he still alive? I haven't read all of the Billy'r contacts, however it seems to me that the conversations with the pleiadians don't mention much about god. I would appreciate any feedback
mb
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Memo00
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Post Number: 315
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2008 - 09:09 pm: |
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hi Marcela
"god" is plain and simply a title that is given to a human being who has reached a certain degree of evolution, so basically there should be an innumerable number of "gods" out there in this universe and in others.
I imagine that the god of which is written in the Talmud isn´t alive anymore (if he is/was Plejaren) since they live aprox. 1000 years
take care |
Markc
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Post Number: 657
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 12:48 am: |
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Hello Marcela ;
The person who was the kind father figure over the earth , was a man named Kalatan . I have also heard the name Pleja as his name , so I assume it was ; Pleja Kalatan .
He was old at the time that he ordered an unmarried woman and his first commander ,
( or whatever rank he held ) , whose name was Gabriel , to create a child who would mature into the carrier of truth .
He returned to his homeworld of Erra to join the endless stream of reincarnation there , as was his wish .
The term 'god' was actualy JWHW , pronounced Ishwish , or Ischwisch , meaning 'King of Wisdom'.
In religious circles it was known as YHWH , typically pronounced "Yahweh" (wrongly).
The Jehova god character was only a false "FHWH" .
It's nice to see you here on the forum , kind greetings and herzlich wilkommen . I like your name .
MC
Mark Campbell
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Marcela
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 03:40 pm: |
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Thank you Memo00 und Danke Markc; I was actually taking german classes when I found the Talmud while I was at the language lab. I read the name and I knew it was about Jesus because in Peru, people call Jesus, Manuel. And I always wanted to know why. I have heard of the term "Yahweh" which is used in the old testament. It is liberating to finally get a better notion of who god really was. The idea of god creating the earth and ALL animals in six days was not believable and the trinity was ilogic for me too. God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit being one never made sense to me. I think that's when I started to drift away from church.
I am glad to be part of the forum too and bis sp"at! MB
mb
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Markc
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Post Number: 659
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Friday, June 27, 2008 - 09:47 am: |
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Hola Marcela ;
The study will develop in you much certainty and balance ,and knowing the truth about gods gives you as much advantage to know what is, as well as what isn't .
There is also information regarding Peru , which is closely related to Easter Island and the island called Mot . You can do a search for it on the forum .
Enjoy , Mark
Mark Campbell
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Marcela
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Post Number: 4
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Monday, June 30, 2008 - 04:28 pm: |
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Hola Mark y saludos a todos:
I was reading the introduction to the Talmud written by Billy and I noticed that one of the Pleiadians’ name is Quetzal, which made me think about the Mayan language. I believe Quetzal was a Mayan god, however; the word today is the name of a beautiful bird that is almost extinct and it is found in the Central America jungle. I am very interested in the studies of ancient civilizations and thank you for the tip regarding Peru and the Ester Island. I was wondering as well as Billy thanks to his children in the book; one of their names is Atlantis-Sokrates. I was wondering if the Pleiadians had anything to do with the Atlantis and if they know where it is.
I also have a new topic for this section; Talmud Jmmanuel 8:21: "In the evening, however, they brought to him many who were possessed; and he drove the evil “spirits” through his word… (TJ) I recently posted a question to Billy regarding this topic; I am not interested in the paranormal, but I want to know why some spirits stay “in between” and some are tormented by evil spirits. Some evil spirits possess live people. I was wondering what you guys think about this. Take care, mach’s gut.
mb
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Jim
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Post Number: 85
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 30, 2008 - 09:40 pm: |
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Hello Marcela,
There's much I could learn about it, too, regarding your second topic. My present understanding is that some spirits may retain, for quite a long time, a strong earthly obsession with some thing or place that takes precedence over their "going to the light." And others do latch onto live people, to "possess" them. I presume they're ignorant spirits more than evil spirits.
If I had a desire to "possess" someone after I die, I must confess I have no idea of how I would go about it!
I've never heard of a (free) spirit tormenting another free spirit, if that's what you meant by "and some [spirits] are tormented by evil spirits."
Prior to the 2007 edition of the TJ, "spirits" in 8:21 was not in quotes, either in English or German. So I suspect that Billy has quite different interpretations of it all. |
Markc
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Post Number: 661
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 12:26 am: |
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Gruezi Marcela ;
Quetzalcoatle was the ET that gained dominance after driving Ptaah out( a distant relative of the current Ptaah), who went to Egypt and established himself there .
Atlantis was located in the area of the Azores islands .The Lyrians , who were the ancestors of the Plejaren , were the Atlanteans , which was named after a man named Atlant .His wife was named Karjatjdes . You can "y"those "j's" .
There were two Atlantis periods , the first one lasted 10,000 years as well as the second one .
The topic of spirit possession in the Talmud Jmmanuel is discussed in that section somewhere , searchable , I'm sure . It's my opinion that he was referring to schizophrenia, which was something that could be effectively driven out by someone who applied his own force of authority .
As far as an invading spirit , would be in reference to someone's own psyche being ill and weak , rendering a person susceptible to any outside influence , such as another personality , or contact with any people .
Kind Regards , Mark
Mark Campbell
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Thomas
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Post Number: 487
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 02:29 am: |
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Hi Marcela, you can do a search because all of your questions in the last post have been addressed previously. I can tell you that the location and history of Atlantis is laid out in detail in the contact notes. Also, there is no connection between Quetzal, the Plejaren, and Quetzalcoatl according to the contact notes. As far as the "evil spirits" reference, I seem to remember that this was merely a confusion or problem in the consciousness but Jmmanuel used the word "possessed" because the people back then would not have well understood the workings of the consciousness forms. Hope this helps. Check the archives of this forum. Even though there is some misinformation, the archives are full of treasures of information that might set you on a search that rewards you with new insights and info... |
Marcela
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 10:14 am: |
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Hi guys,
Thank you for your replies; I must confess that I don’t have a lot of time and I want to learn more so quickly that I didn’t pay attention to the Archives. But yesterday I read the “Questions to Billy” Archives and I found great information regarding my questions. At the same time it made me realize how far I am in knowing the substance of spirituality and all of the aspects of the conscience. Nevertheless, thank you for taking the time to respond.
I have a question though, so the Atlantis located in the islands of Azores is in another planet or here on Earth? I am sure you meant in another planet, right?
About the spirits topic, I must say that here in the USA is a field where more people are taking interest in. First there is a show on the discovery channel about haunted houses and there is another show about paranormal investigators. A lot of people on those shows see spirits of children and I was sad that they couldn’t “move on”, you known and find the light, like you mentioned. I will keep my search; I am still reading 2003 archives. ;) Take care,
MB
mb
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Badr
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Post Number: 382
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 10:58 am: |
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Hi Marcela and welcome to the forum.
Just so you know, what you and Jim understand to be the spirit of the human being and being trapped in our world,realm or plane or what ever you want to call it is not matching that of Billy's resp. FIGU's information. Would advise you to use the search function accessible on top of each page, you could start off be looking for the keywords "fluidal forces" or "ghost" and check out the results.
And I would like to kindly ask everyone to get back to the topic that is ("The Talmud Jmmanuel" » Chapter 1-9)
Salome, Badr |
Marcela
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 11:35 am: |
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Dear Badr,
You are right, ancient civilizations and the Pleiadians is off topic, sorry. Thank you for the keywords, I will most definitely conduct my research in the FIGU archives.
mb
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Marcela
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 10:44 am: |
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As I was reading the “questions answered by Billy Meier”, I read that Savio made this question to Billy about the evil spirits mentioned on the TJ a few times in the first chapters of the book. Billy’s answer was: "Evil spirits" means negative psychic conditions.” As I am trying to understand what spirit means, it is hard to avoid the influence of the media in this regard, but, the thing is that I heard this happening from friends as well. The more I read about Billy and the information from FIGU the more I answer questions that will allow me to free myself from old concepts.
Take care everybody,
mb
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Elba
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Post Number: 30
Registered: 03-2010
| | Posted on Monday, June 07, 2010 - 12:17 pm: |
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Hello there !! Yes . I started with TJ no long ago .. and I checked for this question en old TJ files. but I could not find the answer:
TJ 6:35 "You cannot serve your consciousness and mammon .
What exactly Jmmanuel mean with "mammon". (Ihave an idea just I need .. more imputs to make sure I'm in the right path of thinking.)
Salome
Elba |
Indi
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Post Number: 493
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, June 07, 2010 - 05:30 pm: |
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Hi Elba
From Wikipedia:
Mammon is a term, derived from the Christian Bible, used to describe material wealth or greed, most often personified as a deity.
Robyn |
Elba
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Post Number: 32
Registered: 03-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 08:42 am: |
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Thank you ..
Salome |
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