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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 124
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Friday, February 11, 2011 - 09:54 am: | 
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Earthling,
Thanks for posting that link in your post #509.
Reading the TJ did cause me a few stupor of thoughts, and I figured there was something amiss or that Rashid had not completely or accurately translated or something was amiss. Hence my excitement when I read in a post that the Arahat Athersata were going to work with Billy and the Plejarens on a thorough and correct new TJ.
Billy brought much to light in that link you posted. Thank you for that.
I personally cannot wait for the new Talmud Jmmanuel. I'm really looking forward to its reading and analysis.
Salome,
Eddie
[7:-)
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Jim
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Post Number: 105
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 11, 2011 - 02:32 pm: |
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Hello Earthling and FIGU members,
I don't know if I look forward to reading the next edition of the TJ or not! As an example, it would be good if Rashid's translation into Gott is improved. However, logic says that it is no improvement if Gott is replaced by YHWH or Yahweh. YHWH was the god of Israel. The name "Jesus = Joshua = Yeshua" comes from "Yahweh saves". On the other hand, the extraterrestrial leader at that time, whom Jmmanuel greatly respected, was entitled EL, and the name "Immanuel" properly incorporates EL, not YHWH. It's not a step forward to call that extraterrestrial YHWH instead of EL.
And it seems strange to me that Billy is only now learning that Rashid's first name had been Mark. That scarcely rings true to me.
And it seems that we will need to credit the translation of the Aramaic also to Prince Roger de Polatzky, not just to Rashid. Billy will certainly have to write an entirely new Foreword to the Talmud of Jmmanuel. And it can be guaranteed that it will be impossible to interest any Bible scholars in it, after all its revisions and updates. But that seems to be what the Plejarens wish. |
Earthling
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Post Number: 510
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, February 12, 2011 - 05:58 am: |
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Jim, why do you say that Billy only learning that Rashid's first name had been Mark scarcely rings true to you?
There will definitely have to be an entirely new foreword.
I think there must be more to this revision than just flipping god terms around if the Plejaren were concerned for Billy's life at that time, if the true translation was put forth.
Yeah, looking forward to that new Foreword .. and seeing what revisions will be in there. Should be interesting, but, this will be easy fodder for the critics ... and that will have to be well addressed in the new Foreword.
Bruce |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 128
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, February 12, 2011 - 03:38 pm: |
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Hello all,
I am more concerned with what I myself and those who are earnestly seeking knowledge, will get out of the new TJ with all the correct and complete information. These Plejaren YSHWSH and YSHRSH have dedicated not just life times, but, re-incarnations, over and over again. So as not to be idolized and revered, they have deliberately down played themselves by not showcasing to what levels they have developed their Consciousness powers, clairvoyance abilities, personal educational accomplishments, just to name a few. Their technologies, which, if we were permitted to experience the luxury and capabilities of, would have us feeling as if we are Gods (compared to our Mercedes Benz, Lamborghinis, Bugatis and our most technologically developed, multi-million dollar new houses).
There is so much to Creation's Laws and Recommendations, by which the YSHWSH over this earth is subjected to. Thus they have patience and exercise understanding with the spirit-forms incarnated whom they have had to allow them their experiences. Should we not consider, that at any time, they could have easily stepped in and performed what an individual was privileged to take part in and accomplish? He has vastly developed knowledge, experience and acquired wisdom of not only hundreds of years life span, but thousands of years of re-incarnations of life times and experiences with which he is thoroughly familiar with, and endowed with remarkable and unfathomable to us knowledge. Our most impressive educators would pale next to him.
Looking at the various stages of progression of the various aspects of this Mission, and how it relates to these days and new century, one should not so disservice themselves as to limit their scope of vision according to their ignorance. Zen teaches the following, "Things are not always as they appear."
As to Bible scholars and other critics, Creation does not need their stamp of approval. Anyone not wishing to study and gain the remarkable gifts of Consciousness powers and spirituality is a fool.
Ponder and consider with the utmost care, reason and wisdom.
Salome,
Eddie
[7:-)
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Jim
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Post Number: 106
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, February 12, 2011 - 05:28 pm: |
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Hi Bruce,
"why do you say that Billy only [now] learning that Rashid's first name had been Mark scarcely rings true to you?"
I should reword this to say that the idea that Isa Rashid had a first name of Mark is what seems improbable to me. Billy knew him for some 15 years or so, yet never knew his first name? It's possible, of course, so I can accept that it might be true.
When Billy had Isa formally sign for custody of the Talmud Jmmanuel with promise to send the translations to Billy, Isa signed under that name, not under a name with "Mark" attached.
And it seems rather improbable that with the Palestinian name "Isa Rashid" he would have been given the Latin name Mark also.
If Rashid had a first name of Mark that he didn't go by, is this relevant? If it's true, however, then perhaps it would aid someone in trying to locate a source that would prove his existence or background. |
Smukhuti
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Post Number: 530
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, February 12, 2011 - 09:38 pm: |
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Hi Jim,
I am not well versed with Christian traditions.
Was Isa Rashid born in a Greek Orthodox family, or did he choose to become a member of the same in a later part of his life? Was 'Mark' or 'Isa' his Baptismal name? Was he given a name when he became priest?
Saalome.
Suv
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Earthling
Member
Post Number: 513
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 - 09:01 am: |
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Jim,
To continue on with the importance (or lack thereof) of Isa Rashid concealing the name Mark; when one writes to Billy, Billy will not answer unless one uses their full name. Name disclosure seems important to Billy, so Isa hiding his name Mark; possibly having been ashamed of his name and connotations associated with being a "Mark", may have indicated to Billy that he may have concealed other things, ie, perhaps attachment to religious beliefs. And if that were the case, he may not be capable of giving a true, unfiltered translation of the TJ. |
Edward
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Post Number: 2004
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 - 12:58 am: |
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Hi Jim....
Long time no hear!!
Thank you, for sharing your update, with us!
Concerning: But that seems to be what the Plejarens wish.
Yes, I guess that is just HOW it is, no? Must keep to The Truth, and those
whom deserve the credit.
"Bible scholars", well, they are never OPEN to NEW FACTS/aspects. Remember:
they ONLY BELIEVE....and 'do not look further than the length of their noses';
as the saying goes.
Edward. |
Jim
Member
Post Number: 107
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 - 11:53 am: |
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Eddie,
I mentioned biblical scholars because of their importance in allowing information to enter into reporters' columns and the news media. The latter won't dare mention anything new in the realm of "religion" unless it's the result of a well known scholar's work. So if you want to get the TJ's truths across to a wider segment of the public, you need to try to interest and inform one or more biblical scholars about it. So this is the route I've taken (unsuccessfully) over the years, also because among these scholars are many who claim great interest in the "historical Jesus." So I feel they should at least have the opportunity to learn about the TJ. But they all seem to lack the necessary prerequisites that would make much of the TJ be acceptable to them, and hold too many false beliefs.
Suv, I don't know the answers to those questions. I only know that Rashid had spent some years in Greece, and was later living in some town in the part of Jordan that was taken over by Israel. |
Patm
Member
Post Number: 55
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Monday, February 14, 2011 - 12:25 am: |
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FYI,
from Wendelle Stevens unedited/uncensored translated version regarding Mark Isa Rashid
Contact 7 (Tuesday, 25 February 1975 18:02)
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Semjase:
21. That is typical for you, but you are right, let’s speak of something else.
22. First I want to answer your question you have asked me last time: M.R. already was since 1956 one of our contact persons.
23. As you know, he was a priest of the Greek—Catholic church.
24. We ordered him, to take over different matters, which he also promised to do.
25. So we thought him to be the right man to solve a difficult mission.
25. In consequence we showed him the location, where he could find the Talmud Jmmanuel, this original scripture, which had got written by Judas Ischarioth at time of living of Jmmanuel (alias Jesus Christ).
27. By our help he learnt the Old—Aramean language and thus became able to translate the writings.
28. He performed this very correct and manufactured a German translation, which is known to you.
29. By the reading of the original writings M.R. fell on pricks of conscience, and suddenly knew no more, what he should acknowledge for truth.
30. To outsides he offered the played conviction, that he would give belief to the Talmud, but in truth the religions was too much established in him, and he suffered from remorse.
31. This was also the reason for him officially to retreat from his religious belief and still only dedicated himself to the translations of the called scriptures, what after all he did very correct.
32. But, as told, he was not convinced and never knew what he should undertake.
33. Continuously he lived in the fear, the found scripts became discovered and known, thus consequently we had to bring him in connection to anyone, who had no fear and who vouched to us from his character and his knowledge, for protecting the scripts.
34. Unfortunately but M.R. all the more tangled himself in his fear, and he began to blur out things, which could get dangerous for him and the Talmud.
35. He carried it so far, that in the middle of 1974 nothing else remained to do for him, than to flee from Jerusalem and to retreat to the Lebanon, where he lived in a refugees’ camp by wrong name — together with his family.
36. But he had to flee also from there, and went out of the land.
37. His fright but was the guilt for, closing all writings into a wooden wall, where they only few hours later got destroyed completely by a fire, when Israeli militaries invaded.
38. By his guilt so all got destroyed.
39. Essential it is also out guilt, because we confided him too much and expected too much of him, from what the most worthy evidence got destroyed by chance, that ever could have revealed the untruth of the Christian and all other religions.
40. But still does exist right a quarter of the scripture in German version, and she will also so be sufficient, to reveal the truth and to free the human being from a deadly delusion.
Billy:
So does it then behave.
Semjase:
41. Surely.
Billy:
What is M.R. doing now?
Semjase:
42. We have stopped all contact to him, when he fled with his family from the Lebanon and left the writings for their damage.
43. We only still know, he was in the Iraq at last.
44. From then on we no more kept interest for him.
45. He and his family have lost themselves anywhere in the world, as also he has lost his real name.
Billy:
What does this now mean again? Is his name but not M. Rashid?
Semjase
46. No, because only his cousin keeps that name.
47. I don’t want to tell his real name, as he perhaps uses him again in the manner, like he kept him as priest.
48. In spite of all, we are not hostile minded to him and don’t want to make difficulties for him, so we also do not want to tell his real name.
Billy:
Its okay, Semjase, I don’t also want to know him.
Semjase:
49. You are not anxious at all.
Billy:
At other times here and then I am, but when it doesn’t want to be, then not yet.
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Hope this helps answer some questions regarding Mark Isa Rachid
patm |
Patm
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Post Number: 56
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Monday, February 14, 2011 - 12:53 am: |
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Sorry all,
one correction to my last post....
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39. Essential it is also our guilt, ....
patm |
Rarena
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Post Number: 651
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 14, 2011 - 10:58 am: |
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It was Markus-Isa Rashid I understand... He liked to be called Isa... big deal. The former Greek Orthodox lay priest had some religious ideas that stuck in his consciousness and his pangs of those teaching clearly stuck in his translations... He was able to translate Aramaian language which a handful of people in the world can do...
The Talmud of Jmmanuel is a wonderful read, full of inspiring truthful and consice information that tells of that great man who brought us all the ability to persue the light of wisdom with his teaching. Without the ability to read Aramaic the concept, the teaching... is revealed to make more sense, to bring more personal evolution, than the counterpart stolen from Judas in those dark days two thousand years ago, ever did.
Don't get me wrong... it is important to determine the truth and it is greatly appreciated that some are persuing this... but it is so great the information that has been shared because of men like Markus-Ish Rashid, thank you... |
Techieatwork
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Post Number: 144
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Monday, February 14, 2011 - 05:34 pm: |
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I always thought M. Isa Rashid had perished in the Israeli attack. I was wrong then.
It would be real good now to have the AA version sometime in the near future.
Salome
Carlos
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Billy: Dann sprichst du eben in geraffter Form.
Quetzal: Das will ich tun.
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Markcampbell
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Post Number: 606
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Monday, February 14, 2011 - 03:09 pm: |
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Corrections of the word HIM to IT :
Semjase
46. No, because only his cousin keeps that name.
47. I don’t want to tell his real name, as he perhaps uses IT again in the manner, like he kept IT as priest.
48. In spite of all, we are not hostile minded to him and don’t want to make difficulties for him, so we also do not want to tell his real name.
Billy:
Its okay, Semjase, I don’t also want to know IT. |
Borthwey
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Post Number: 221
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 01:36 am: |
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A review of the Talmud Jmmanuel by a "Bible geek"
http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/reviews/meier_jmmanuel.htm |
Indi
Moderator
Post Number: 575
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 08:08 am: |
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David, tell us what are your thoughts on the 'Bible geek's' review?
Robyn |
Earthling
Member
Post Number: 514
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 04:05 am: |
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Well, Benjamin & Dyson have teamed up to do more invaluable translation work
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/images/6/6f/Talmud_Jmmanuel_SB58.pdf |
Bennyray37
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Post Number: 51
Registered: 01-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 05:53 am: |
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Hi Pat M.,
Your post on "M. R." is very important, since claims were made earlier in this thread that it is "improbable" that Isa would have been given the first name "Mark," as if to insinuate that this is a recent invention on the part of the Plejaren or Meier. The source you cite was made in 1988, so this is proof that Meier already divulged by that time that Rashid had a first name that began with "M." But since it is also highly believable that Wendelle received all of his German transcripts during his on-site investigation of the Meier case, which were then translated into English much later, there is good reason to conclude that the "M." was also divulged in the late 1970s, when Wendelle received his copies. Thus, it certainly isn't far fetched that the name "Mark" is the full name that completes the initial "M." which was already given at the outset. |
Jim
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Post Number: 108
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 14, 2011 - 07:41 pm: |
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Patm,
When I read Contact 7, ala Stevens, many years ago, I assumed that M. Rashid was a pseudonym for the TJ translator, since in the 1978 German TJ Meier at that time kept him anonymous, and since Rashid is such a common Palestinian name.
Since then we learned that his name was Isa Rashid, and now we learn that the M stood for Mark or Markus, making it Markus-Isa Rashid. But in the absence of any verification, for me the Mark part is "Maybe or maybe not."
It's quite reasonable that the name Meier has now received from Ptaah for the refugee camp that Rashid fled to is truthful. The Ain Al-Hilweh refugee camp is the largest in Lebanon and is in the outskirts of Sidon. It was among those bombed in the Israeli raids of June 18, 1974. And it's indeed about 35 miles northwest of the Israeli border. (Here's a curiosity: Ptaah used the German word "Meilen" (miles) here instead of the metric measure "kilometers".)
And Hi Edward! |
Jim
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Post Number: 109
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 09:33 am: |
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Borthwey (David?),
A few years ago I wrote a refutation to Price's debunking article on the TJ. It is located online at:
www.tjresearch.info/Debunking by Price.htm .
If Price should learn about the latest substantial revision of the TJ due to be published, he would likely assume that, due to the effectiveness of his debunking article, Meier decided to write a fresh version.
Jim |
Rarena
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Post Number: 653
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 09:12 am: |
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Also that translation is incorrrect. It incorrectly contains Moses' name as the spiritual line of Nokodamion which is not true it is my understanding... |
Borthwey
Member
Post Number: 223
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 10:01 am: |
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Hi Robyn. My thoughts... Well, this person studies what he loves, and what he identifies himself with. As he writes: „the only reason we take seriously the words attributed to Jesus in the traditional Gospels is that they carry their own weight. By far the most of it has the ring of truth to it, whoever said it.“
So in the end, that’s just about it. Some find their ring of truth in the Bible just like others do in the Koran or in the Talmud Jmmanuel. It’s a personal thing.
To me, this review is inconsequential in the sense that it doesn’t offer much more than the author’s personal opinion, even when it is posed as knowledge. But I still found that it would be worthy of sharing here, as it may be representative of the opinion of many. And kind of funny...
I'm assuming that one who is fond of the Bible won’t like the TJ. But there must be plenty of debate in the Bible-studying community, just like anywhere else, so who knows, maybe the most "adolescent" (i.e. not closed to new knowledge) Bible geeks, if they exist, will. |
Earthling
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Post Number: 515
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - 10:42 am: |
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I've come across Price once or twice .. he strikes me as an arrogant know-it-all, wannabe authority on all things bible/gospel; disinformation agent for the vatican .. a truly heinous character .... imho, of course 
my god Jim, you sure do take the time & effort to debunk that egregious know-it-all would-be debunker ... hats off to you .. I wouldn't waste my time but I suppose it was necessary , not that he would hear a word of it |
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