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    Jim Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 07-2003 |
Amen to Earthling's kudos to Benjamin & Dyson for their excellent translation. Regarding Judas in that article: "Even the name, 'Judas Isharioth', according to the Arahat Athersata level, has been written incorrectly since time immemorial and, therefore, was also handed down incorrectly. In reality, Jmmanuel’s literate disciple was just called Judas Ischkerioth." This name will make sense to Gospel scholars, who have pondered the meaning of Judas Iscariot's name for decades. Their best guess agrees with the above, or expands upon it: "Iscariot" derived from "man from Kerioth". Kerioth was a town in southern Judea, mentioned a few times in the Old Testament. But people need to go by the names they were given by their parents, unless they wilfully change them in particular cases. How confusing it would be if we all changed our names back to the spelling they once had generations ago. E.g., I think my last name went through a history like this: Dierdorf --> Dierdorff --> Deardorff, and it would be too confusing to friends & acquaintances if I were to revert back to the oldest known spelling. | ||
Bennyray37 Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 01-2010 |
Concerning an English translation of the new Talmud Jmmanuel, I don't currently know if any FIGU group is on board to make one. Nevertheless, I am very curious to see the changes myself, so once it is released, I hope to get my hands on it as soon as possible and to identify all of the changes that have been made to the previous version. I haven't run it by FIGU Switzerland yet, but I am hoping that I will be able to post all of the changes that have been made to the previous German version as well as their English counterparts on my site, so that everyone can have access to it for free, as is the case with all the rest of my work. Of course, any entirely new sections would have to be fully translated by me, but apart from that, I would only be identifying the changes that were made to the previous version, so it won't be a full translation of the entire document. Thus, one could use my site as a companion to the already released 4th Edition of the Talmud Jmmanuel (in English), in order to get the full and, hopefully, definitively finalized version of the Talmud Jmmanuel. -- Benjamin Stevens | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2098 Registered: 12-1999 |
Thank you Benjamin for your generous offer | ||
Bennyray37 Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 01-2010 |
Well, I already received a quick response back from Christian Frehner of FIGU Switzerland, and he said that there is a chance that I can be involved in the full translation of the new Talmud Jmmanuel to be used for a new printing/edition of the book, probably by Steelmark. Thus, for those of you at Steelmark who are going to be involved in making the new translation, know that I am more than willing to help out as much as possible with the project, so when the time comes, just ask for my assistance and I'll be there. The best thing is, you never have to worry about paying me a single penny for anything that I do. I also learned that the new Talmud Jmmanuel is going to be nearly double the size of the old version. This makes me even more curious to know what all is going to be added. -- Benjamin Stevens | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 136 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Benjamin, Anyone, Any word on how long it's expected to take before we can order a copy of the new TJ? Thank you. Salome, Eddie [7:-) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2099 Registered: 12-1999 |
I would guess a minimum of 3 years.. | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 536 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hi Benjamin, How would it reach double the size? Were content within the existing chapters omitted in the old TJ - or would additional chapters not in the current version be included in the new TJ? Saalome. Suv | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 137 Registered: 08-2010 |
3 years ! ? .....heart breaking. [7:-) | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 518 Registered: 05-2008 |
Scott, the world now travels at the speed of the internet. Egypt fell in 18 days. I have a feeling the new TJ will not take 3 years. On another (possibly premature) note, congrats BS ... a well deserved recognition of competency and trust. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2100 Registered: 12-1999 |
Earthling, It was just a guess, maybe someone should contact Marc Juliano (moderator) who is directly involved with Steelmark Publishing, he may have some insight into this. Scott | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 557 Registered: 06-2008 |
Cast your minds back about 2000 years. Scene 1 near Srinigar India. Gabriel visits his buddy Jmannuel and asks if he wouldn't mind convincing Judas that's it's OK to lend all his scrolls for a day so these can be copied (most likely the P had scanners or cameras capable of this) and so preserved for historical reference. "You bet Gabriel, we both need a break." Scroll forward 2000 years: Now quite suddenly double the volume of information that previous versions of TJ contained has become available and is announced ???? where did this material come from ? Now one possibility is that one of the mission team probably Florena made some time jumps back to when Issa Rashid had possession of the TJ original manuscripts in the mid 1960s, tracked his movements via remote telemeter disks possibly discovering where he might have hidden the documents or copies of his translated notes if he managed to do so before dying. So these documents or copies may not have perished in the refugee camp after all. We dont know. So there are a couple possibilities. 1. Earth copies of either the scrolls themselves or Issa Rashid's translations survived. 2. Ptaah has deemed it important enough to release copies taken by the Plejaran during Jmannuel's time for translation & publication. Is there a third or fourth possibility ? Maybe. Cheers. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 140 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello everyone, (regarding post #557 Ramirez) The answer to the scenario in the post, which I myself, once had pondered, is found at the time-stamp 3:50 Billy Meier - Interview With Randy Winters 02/08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYBUjnlyBws&feature=related FYI-This Video was done in the winter of 1989, not in 2008. I know this, because the video came from me. I received this video in VHS form in the late 90's, and converted it to a digital format in 2002. I let a friend borrow it, and he released it over the internet, and since then it has come under various titles and dates and has been circulated world wide. Scott Were someone to consider skepticism: All someone has to do is realize the involvement of the Arahat Athersata, from which the Teachings come, and their profound knowledge and wisdom. To boot, their Teachings are pure; where as what ever was attributed to Judas was limited (lacking) by Judas. I prefer the real deal; meaning, that in martial arts, which would you prefer? 1. To learn from the grandmaster or 2. his flashiest and senior instructors? The knowledge of the art is pure with the grand-master. I prefer to learn from Arahat Athersata directly with the new edition. Gotta run friends. Salome, Eddie} (Message edited by scott on February 18, 2011) [7:-) | ||
Jim Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 07-2003 |
Ramirez, My guesses are: 1. There were some more things Rashid failed to translate, and 2. Some items will be added that Jmmanuel meant to dictate to Judas but forgot. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 558 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Jim, To your reply. If Issa Rashid failed to translate parts then where are the original manuscripts ? That's the question. It's unlikely he was able to make copies of the manuscripts .... photocopiers & scanners weren't yet invented in the mid 1960s but photographs were possible and these could be high quality if recorded on slide film. If Jmannuel meant to dictate material & forgot then that is nothing but a 2000 year old memory from a now dead person. I think it's stretching it a bit to imply that someone who meant to say something to someone whilst occupying a personality 2000 years ago can suddenly recall that information. Cheers. | ||
Jim Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 07-2003 |
Hello Ramirez, The answer to "where are" or "what happened to" the original TJ manuscript has been answered in the Forum and elsewhere quite a few times. However, for a long time I have wondered what happened to the manuscript that Judas started writing, but which was stolen as per TJ chapter 14. The order of events in the Gospel of Mark compared with Matthew strongly indicates that the writer of Mark had available to him (presumably in Rome) the early writing stolen from Judas. This would have been the writing that John Mark & Peter had with them in Rome. So it seems that Peter was able to recover this writing some years after the crucifixion when it was no longer of any use to a certain chief priest. And took it with him to Rome, accompanied by John Mark. Many decades later, the writer of Mark made some limited use of it when writing his gospel, which had to be based mainly on the Gospel of Matthew. (See the middle section of www.tjresearch.info/mksec2.htm .) So I do wonder, when the writer of Mark was done with this old recovered writing in Rome, if it was retained by the church of Rome, and might still exist in fragments in some deep recess of the Vatican library. If Jmmanuel did forget to dictate some items to Judas, or forgot to remind him to write about some overlooked event, I assume there's a good possibility that such forgotten information was among recordings by the Plejarens at that time, and so still available to them. The other possibility is that Billy, if he thought it important enough, perhaps could contact his Akashic Records to retrieve the neglected information. But these are just conjectures. | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 194 Registered: 03-2006 |
Ramirez, They did this new TJ with the help of Arahat Athersata and he Plejarens. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 07-2006 |
Regarding the information in the Talmud of Regarding the Talmud of Jmmanuel's increase in size. None of the true prophets really originated any of their teachings. Nokodemion's spirit form made the decision to return to a physical existance while in the upper levels of the Arahat Athersata spirit level. Nokodemion's spirit form's lineage included the true prophets of their time namely Henoch (Enoch), Elia (Elijah), Jesaja (Isaiah), Jeremia (Jeremiah), Jmmanuel (Immanuel), Muhammad (Mohammed) and the true prophet of the modern time, Billy (BEAM). The teachings of each of the true prophets were not their own but what they each had learned of Nokodemion's teaching that were from/of Creation. Only the wording by each prophet of their time changed for the human beings of their time, including the teachings of the modern time as presented by Billy (BEAM). They, the prophets of their time, only share the age-old techings that Nokodemion's spirit form chose to share of the Creational laws and recommendations that were not even his in origin. They were always and always will be Creation's. All the teachings of each of the true prophets are also stored in the storage banks of the Arahat Athersata spirit level's storage banks. These storage banks each of the true prophets had access to through the spirit form's ability to access them as they are the spirit form of Nokodemion as is Billy's spirit form. The Talmud of Jmmanuel (re-written by Judas and still not as complete as the stolen original) doesn't even compare to the actual teaching stored by Jmmanuel in the Collective consciousness, the Earth's planetary storage banks and also in the Arahat Athersata spirit level's storage banks by Nokodemion's original spirit form for each of the true prohets to access, as again their teachings were not actually their teachings in origin, but Creation's. The pure spirit forms, of the Arahat Athersata level, with access to the stored impulses in the Arahat Athersata spirit level's storage banks (including Billy being the only spirit form in a physical incarnation with access to the AA storage level's storage banks) would have more direct access to the teachings of Jmmanuel than what Judas was capable of writing about with NO falsification of any kind. This I understand as the reason the new version of the Talmud of Jmmanuel can/will contain MUCH more information than the 1/4 currently translated by M. Rashid of the re-written scrolls of Judas. patm | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 519 Registered: 05-2008 |
Ramirez, if you haven't yet, please read this. It may answer your concerns. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/images/6/6f/Talmud_Jmmanuel_SB58.pdf "But since, at the time of the destruction of the Talmud, there was only about a quarter of the originals, the Plejaren also lacked the largest part of the original writings. This was, among other things, the reason why the Arahat Athersata level was included, as it alone still had access to the original texts, which, in their entirety, are stored in its level. Moreover, the Arahat Athersata level is also the only source which can provide information about certain terminologies in the “Talmud Jmmanuel”, the original of which was written in the Old Aramaic language, since not even the highly learned Plejaren linguists could fathom certain ancient terms, precisely as these were used by Judas Ischkerioth in the documentation." | ||
Jim Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 07-2003 |
Patm, Let me correct you on one point. "The Talmud of Jmmanuel (re-written by Judas and still not as complete as the stolen original)..." It was the stolen initial writing of Judas that was especially incomplete. It was stolen before any of the events and teachings of the TJ after Chap. 14 had occurred. And this initial writing, which was a chronology being written by Judas at the time) would not have contained the genealogy and nativity, nor probably the Sermon on the Mount. It's likely that Judas didn't join the 12 (or 12 + 17) until after the Sermon on the Mount. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 07-2006 |
Thank you Jim... patm | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2008 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jim... That is indeed interesting insight concerning 'Judas Isharioth-Ischkerioth'. "Iscariot" derived from "man from Kerioth". Read about that before in the past(last name extractions from a village/town), would indeed be OPEN EYES for scholars, yes? In those days, NAMES had to be generated for the registration of people. And it would occur, that the last name could be a village or town, or similar; or even, a land definition; say, field(Akker/Veld); say, Jim Field; which would be here (Jim) Akker; and go so on. Even, Jim Boom(Tree)...etc. Even, centuries after this type of NAME registration, it was still implemented. Edward. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 559 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Earthling, Thankyou for the link http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/images/6/6f/Talmud_Jmmanuel_SB58.pdf This contains very interesting material and clears up issues which have bothered me for some time namely the absence of mention concerning females in TJ. Now here is something Jim might have information about because it's rather unique. 29 disciples including 17 females. "This is supported by various translation and omission errors, which were made by Markus-Isa Rashid, as, for example, the translation of the term JHWH with the word “God”, or the translation of the phrase “young woman Mary”, with, “Virgin Mary”, or the suppression of the fact that, several times, in the “Talmud Jmmanuel”, there was talk of 12 male disciples and 17 female disciples. These 17 female disciples, who are also utterly silenced in the gospels, were also left unmentioned by Isa Rashid, and he did not even translate two short texts of Judas Ischkerioth, in which there is talk of the fact that two of the female disciples, namely Esther and Mary Magdalene, during Jmmanuel’s 40-day absence, were taught by him about love, harmony and peace as well as sorrow, strife, war, and images (idols)." Now the missing 40 days or at least part of these were presumably spent with Gabriel so during these days did Jmannuel periodically visit Esther & Mary Magdelene to convey information or were they also taken on board the Plejaran spacecraft ? It's a fascinating possibility. Jim might also be familiar with this: Among the dead sea scrolls there exists a Gospel Of Mary (Magdelene) which contains some very interesting material and the above information from http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/images/6/6f/Talmud_Jmmanuel_SB58.pdf tends to support a premise that Mary was one of the disciples. Here: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/ And here: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/gospelmary.html Then also: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/gospeljudas.html You can just imagine priests all over the place explaining this material away during Sunday mass  Down the track if a balance of gender equality is to be globally established these issues need widespread airing & discussion. Half the population is ...... female so why not. It all makes logical sense. Cheers. | ||
Bennyray37 Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 01-2010 |
Ramirez, You wrote: "Now the missing 40 days or at least part of these were presumably spent with Gabriel so during these days did Jmannuel periodically visit Esther & Mary Magdelene to convey information or were they also taken on board the Plejaran spacecraft?" In order to address this question, I must give you my initial translation of the sentence in question, which Dyson then later changed during the final revision process. Here is how I had it: These 17 female disciples, who are also silenced in the gospels, Isa Rashid also left unmentioned, and he didn’t even translate two short texts of Judas Ischkerioth, in which there is talk of the fact that two of the female disciples, namely Esther and Maria Magdalena, during the 40-day absence of Jmmanuel, taught about love, harmony and peace as well as sorrow, strife, war, and figures (idols). Diese 17 Jüngerinnen, die auch in den Evangelien totgeschwiegen werden, liess auch Isa Rashid unerwähnt, und er hat sogar zwei kurze Texte von Judas Ischkerioth nicht übersetzt, in denen die Rede davon ist, dass zwei der Jüngerinnen, nämlich Esther und Maria Magdalena, während der 40tägigen Abwesenheit von Jmmanuel über Liebe, Gleichklang und Frieden bzw. Kummer, Streit, Krieg und Abbild (Idol) lehrten. As you can see, I was convinced that what was being conveyed in the German was that when Jmmanuel was absent for 40 days, the two women themselves taught about love, etc. I was assuming that the two women taught such things to others while Jmmanuel was away. After looking at it yet again, I am still convinced that the German is saying this, and I don't know why Dyson changed it as he did. Thus, it might not be the case that Jmmanuel taught the two women during his 40-day absence. Rather, the women taught others during his 40-day absence. It would be good if anyone else can verify the meaning of the German in this case. Regards. -- Benjamin Stevens |
