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Jim
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Post Number: 87
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 06:58 am: | 
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Rameriz,
You could have spotted lots of places that indicate that this gnostic gospel came out later than the canonical gospels, which in turn were written after the TJ came out. Email me if you need to have some of them pointed out to you. |
Ramirez
New member
Post Number: 3
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 09:23 am: |
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Jim.
Whenever the texts I quoted were written they were written on paper which has been found.
They exist now in tangible reality as paper with writing on them and they state words having a comprehendable meaning.
Isn't the information more important than debating what came first ?
Doesn't Billy need just one genuine photograph of a beamship to substantiate his point ?
Scott.
My apologies. The quotes are long in order to illustrate the context clearly enough to support an idea. |
Jim
Member
Post Number: 88
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 03:52 pm: |
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Ramirez,
The gnostic text you showed contradicts the TJ in various ways. But the TJ was written first (from mid-1st century to early 2nd century), while the gnostic text was written a cfentury or more later. It's only natural to expect the earliest one to be the authentic one and the later one to be the one with fictions and distortions, which caused the contradictions. |
Ramirez
New member
Post Number: 4
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 08:14 am: |
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Jim.
If the author of TJ was in a position at time of writing to know of how events associated with Jesus would be twisted to wrongly malign Judas Iscariot wouldn't the same author also be in a position to know of how the reputation of Mary Magdalene would be interpreted to later closely identify her with a simplistic though divisive concept of Eve = fallen woman & sinner who indulged in earthly temptations thereby creating a convenient means by which future religions could divide, polarize & weaken societies through sowing the seeds of gender inequality, prejudice & injustice.
The author of TJ claims to know quite a lot about the future so it's a mystery to me why he continues to permit it's two leading female players to be manipulated by religions into a saint sinner paradigm whilst old texts tell a different story. Here was an opportunity to correct misconceptions when TJ would be discovered way into the future.
So what's wrong with a script where the hero has a kindly loving mother then later in life meets an intelligent loyal woman who supports him before & after his ordeals. Isn't this more like the happy ending humanity deserves ? |
Jim
Member
Post Number: 89
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 02:03 pm: |
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Ramirez,
Jmmanuel may or may not have known that Mary Magdalene would be identified in the future as you portray. I haven't really known that myself, but do know that the "fallen" Eve fallacy has led to much more false belief than just regarding Mary Magdalene. Jmmanuel was able to propesy of the bad implications of this fallacy, as indicated in TJ 21:22.
Jmmanuel wasn't in the business of controlling people's thoughts, as that's an impossibility. Although TJ 21:22 sets the record straight, people will continue to have misconceptions.
Both Jmmanuel and his Plejaren contactors were aware that his teachings would be twisted and distorted in time, and that this has to be, because mankind must first makes mistakes and then learns from them.
I presume that Immanuel had a kind and loving mother, who nevertheless dished out discipline as necessary in his young years. And it would seem that he met a nice woman in later life who gave him several children, the oldest of whom was loyal to his father in carrying the TJ and a transcription of it from Kashmir back to the MidEast, where the original was buried in the tomb site in Jerusalem and the transcription handed over to someone who later handed it to the writer of Matthew. |
Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 5
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 12:36 am: |
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Jim.
In your first paragraph you state "Jmmanuel may or may not have known that Mary Magdalene would be identified in the future as you portray."
This is part of why I am puzzled .... he seemed to know of how Judas Iscariot would be identified so Judas reputation was rectified in TJ .... that's perfectly logical & noble but why not apply the same logic to Mary ?
In your last paragraph you state "And it would seem that he met a nice woman in later life who gave him several children, the oldest of whom was loyal to his father in carrying the TJ and a transcription of it from Kashmir back to the MidEast, where the original was buried in the tomb site in Jerusalem and the transcription handed over to someone who later handed it to the writer of Matthew."
I accept that no problem. Maybe Jesus eldest son even managed a ride via some circular conveyance (just speculation) however irrespective, walking from Kashmir to Jerusalem & back is solid evidence of his dedication and loyalty to his father ..... but here we have a problem.
Jesus son also has a mother ... whose name and history is never mentioned. The same mother who raised Jesus eldest son in such a way that he was prepared to undertake this long & dangerous journey to ..... deliver some papers.
Now I am very curious here as it must rate as one of history's greatest love stories .... the wife of Jesus. Who is she ? What's here name ? How did they meet ? Why did he choose her ? Why such a problem around this issue ?
Jim.
If it's so incidental not worth a mention this is the part which disturbs me.
To me TJ represents ... A historical background, The Declaration Of Independence from misguided worldly ideals, The Constitution with it's set of rules, The Bill Of Rights granting humanity a perpetual inalienable right to grow & mature into the fullness of it's destiny.
If you are creating such a document it's important to cover all the angles. |
The_original_dave
Member
Post Number: 246
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 04:50 am: |
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Hello Ramirez,
There is a reason why Jmmanuels wife and family is not written on in detail in the text and it is because that part of the TJ document which documented the those particular years of Jmmanuels life were lost (I think it simply rot due to the age of the text.). |
Jim
Member
Post Number: 91
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 09:45 am: |
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Yes, Ramirez. That part of the text, involving Jmmanuel's marriage and family, was evidently part of the long, lost portion. Only the first quarter or so of it got translated and sent to Meier in Switzerland, circa 1970. That first part ran out before the story reached the point where they had gotten very far along the Silk Road.
So Meier had to learn about Jmmanuel's marriage in the Kashmir area, etc., from Isa Rashid, who for a few months had read ahead through the rolls/scrolls, and then told Meier of the highlights before Meier left the Jerusalem area in 1963. |
Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 6
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 11:15 am: |
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The_original_dave & Jim.
Thanks for your patience gentlemen.
Your explanation clears the matter up somewhat.
I wonder if there are any mentions in contact notes about the identity of Jesus wife ?
Reading various gnostic texts all roads seem to lead to Mary Magdalene.
If society around those times was male oriented why would there be so many surviving written accounts portraying Mary as far more than a group follower unless there was substance ? |
Earthling
Member
Post Number: 21
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 07:26 pm: |
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Isn't Meier able to remember/access his past incarnations from akashic (sp?) records? |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 1165
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2008 - 03:24 am: |
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Hi Earthling.....
Well, of course, Billy has the ability.
But, I guess, retrieving the information about Jmmanuel and his wife and all
related, would not be of that much relevance to us at this time; if it were
the case, Billy would have already exposed the information to us all.
Thus, the Spiritual Teachings is, what is of more relevance, than the above
mentioned. Which was Jmmanuel's main Mission.
Edward. |
Michael
Member
Post Number: 650
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2008 - 06:29 am: |
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Billy told me that Jmmanuel married an Indian woman.
Michael Horn
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Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 8
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 10:08 am: |
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Hello Michael.
Just played "Silent Revolution Of Truth" and note that you mention Jmmanuel married an Indian woman .... so to get this answer from Billy I guess you were as curious as others & asked him ..... and he in turn either asked or somehow acquired the information out of interest himself.
Whilst the teachings & mission may be important us mortals have a soft spot for human angles which distract us occasionally from the serious stuff
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Elreyjr
Member
Post Number: 177
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 03:23 am: |
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Greetings,
Chapter 32, 3-4 2007E revised mentioned about Jmmanuel's mission in the land of India.
Could there be any information among the Meier materials which relates to such mention? How about records of his teachings over there?
Were the "doctored" teachings by the power-that-be also trickled into India?
Jun
My will be done |
Memo00
Member
Post Number: 442
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 07:53 am: |
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Hello Jun
Billy has explained that the part of the Talmud that is missing contains mainly repetitions of Jmmanuel´s teaching, so it is not very important.
The teaching is only one and it is not anyone´s property or invention, the teaching is now available in Billy´s books explained with much more clarity and depth than before because we are now much more intelligent and educated than we were 2000 years ago.
Salome |
Elreyjr
Member
Post Number: 178
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 09:10 am: |
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Dear MemoOO,
Thank you for your prompt message. It is easy for me to accept the high probability that the missing TJ parts may have contained chronicles of those days while they were in India as recorded by Judas Escariot.
However, it was my interest whether that country may have had independent recordings of those times which could have been mentioned in the Meier materials. Another point of interest is how much dent did his mission over in India make. Likely another sorry state?
During his mission in India, falsifications should have consistently happened as well, other than the Roman version.
And someone in the forum might have an idea, just might.
Jun
My will be done |
Rarena
Member
Post Number: 608
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 09:29 am: |
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Hi Jun,
The people of that time and place were not very evolved and rather uneducated as far as today's standards go... For example; the concept of consciousness was rather new and it had to be called spirituality... mistakes would be made... as to being mistakenly recorded yes... as to full TJ copies existing... it is my understanding the Plejaren may have those missing copies... in their more correctly recorded form.
References: Contact 7, C9, C66, C238, C306 |
Elreyjr
Member
Post Number: 179
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 09:02 pm: |
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Thank you, Randy.
I will look into the materials soonest.
Jun,
My will be done |
Mahigitam
Member
Post Number: 329
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 04:09 am: |
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CH27,160E
The Disciples' Agitation
2....I prophesied to you, that I shall be crucified in order to gain a special cognition?
CH33,208E
In Damascus
37.There was new strength within him and his teachings were more powerful than before.
Question: according to my understanding, crucifixion is a step to reach a special cognition[that made his teachings much more powerful],so it was not avoided by jmmanuel but faced it and attained that special skill by facing intense pain.Another reason given on why Jmmanuel didnt escape the crucifixion was that, if he didnt go through it..there would occur even much more negative events. ISnt there any other way to acquire that cognition?
CH34,212E-216E
Teachings about Creation
Please explain & simplify the unity,duality & trinity part. Statements like "one in itself,one in themselves and one with together" are not too clear to me.
All ideologies are idiotic, whether religious or political, for it is conceptual thinking, the conceptual word, which has so unfortunately divided man - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2101
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 09:17 am: |
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Doesn't crucify mean a person is put to death, in this instance Jmmanuel being nailed to a wooden cross? It would seem if Jmmanuel had stated "I will be beaten and tortured by being nailed to a cross" would have been more accurate.
(Message edited by scott on February 20, 2011) |
Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 364
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 09:24 am: |
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regarding all of the speculation regarding why the TJ will be longer, here is what I heard from Christian:
"The reason why the new book is much longer is based on the fact that it contains many many explanations by Billy and Ptaah, much background information, and of course a correct transcript of the original scrolls." |
Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 560
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 03:55 pm: |
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Ah that's better Michael, no mysterious additional original content suddenly appearing from who knows where, rather, extensive explanatory comments in the margins or following paragraphs & sections.
Maybe this will be similar to Benjamin's occasional explanatory notes & background research material added to various contact reports which IMO are very valuable towards fostering a more balanced understanding of the contents.
Cheers.
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 2010
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 11:34 pm: |
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Hi Scott...
Would seem that way.
I think, that not all those whom have been put on a Cross, died, per se(?). As
far as what I have read in the past. Some individuals were put on a Cross for
a certain time. And if they out lived this ordeal....that is just their
Destiny, and so they live and can continue their life further. Those whom were
weak, just died on the Cross....even before their time was over.
So, not all were put on a Cross...to die, as was the purpose/case with
Jmmanuel's ordeal. [He showed through his Consciousness related Powers he
could out live this ordeal(: Consciously, generating a Half/Near Death State,
[would be best to describe it]); and of course with the help of his Indian
Hindu friends remedying his wounds, etc. - TJ.]
Edward. |
