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Mahigitam
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Post Number: 364
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2011 - 07:57 am: | 
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Last Supper was a day earlier, scientist claims
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110418/wl_uk_afp/britainreligionchristianseaster
"Christians have long celebrated Jesus Christ's Last Supper on Maundy Thursday but new research released Monday claims to show it took place on the Wednesday before the crucifixion."
As i am not familiar with Talmud of Jmmanuel...has anyone else looked into this possible corroboration?
All ideologies are idiotic, whether religious or political, for it is conceptual thinking, the conceptual word, which has so unfortunately divided man - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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Jim
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Post Number: 137
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2011 - 03:25 pm: |
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Mahigitam,
Yes, I've looked into it some. The scientist in question, Colin Humphreys, seems to be one who strains hard to make the four Gospels agree with each other, and through far-out interpretations tries to make their contradictions go away. This is known as being a "harmonizer" within New Testament scholarly circles.
In the Talmud of Jmmanuel (TJ) the last supper occurs the day before Passover. However, the writer of Matthew, with his strong Jewish background, altered this in his gospel to make the last supper coincide with the Passover meal (although he didn't bother to insert Passover rituals into the meal). The writers of Mark and Luke followed Matthew in this timing.
It can be noticed that the writer of the Gospel of John utilized a few bits of the TJ when writing his gospel, as well as using a lot of the stories in Matthew & Luke. This writer placed the last supper before Passover (one assumes the day before), probably because he had read it in the TJ, which apparently circulated around a little bit though it seems to have been in the custody of the writer of Matthew.
So Humphreys assumed (and did some research into) that (the writer of) John had used a different calendar than the other three writers had used -- one that differed by a day. Or something like that -- I haven't studied it in any detail or read his book.
Most NT scholars don't buy into the attempts at "harmonizing," and so don't accept Humphrey's arguments and assumptions. However, they think that Immanuel had a fully Jewish upbringing, and hence believe that the Last Supper was a Passover meal. That is but one of many reasons why they cannot become interested in learning about the TJ.
Of course, who knows what the next edition of the TJ is going to say about the matter? |
Mahigitam
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Post Number: 365
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2011 - 09:27 pm: |
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Danke Jim,
Could you post the chapter/sentence numbers where it shows that the last supper happened the day before crucifixion..I could not find it in TJ. But it can be inferred by the series of events which takes a long time to pass and which couldnot happen in 1 day as the author has stated in his research.
All ideologies are idiotic, whether religious or political, for it is conceptual thinking, the conceptual word, which has so unfortunately divided man - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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Jim
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Post Number: 138
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 10:22 am: |
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Mahi,
TJ 27:34 is a key one. It indicates that the Passover "is near" and thus was not that very evening, and that it was to be a meal, so presumably not the Seder.
There seems to be uncertainty on just when "the first day of Unleavened Bread" was. However, one interpretation (from Google) is that it was the day before Passover.
Another relevant verse is TJ 29:38. He was brought before Pilate on (the day of?) the Passover feast. This verse is echoed in Matthew.
The other key verse is TJ 31:1, that three days had actually elapsed between Immanuel's near-death on the cross and his having left the tomb on the first day of the week following Passover.
Wednesday -- last supper that evening. Immanuel arrested that evening. Brought before the High Council.
Thursday -- (Passover), brought before Pilate; the crucifixion and entombment.
Friday -- In the tomb
Saturday -- In the tomb
Sunday -- Departed the tomb very early in the morning.
Is there still too much going on Wednesday night?
The writer of Matthew added and altered some words to make it seem that the last meal was a Passover meal. |
Edmundo
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Post Number: 49
Registered: 12-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, June 25, 2011 - 11:06 am: |
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I have a question about the newest edition of TJ.
Does it contains new sections, which were lost and not published before. Or it is only improved translation with some explanations? |
Ramirez
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Post Number: 794
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2012 - 07:28 am: |
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How would it be if an intact complete version of TJ were to become available ?
Destroyed in a fire way back ..... so how ?
When was it .... 1963 or 1964 when Asket took Billy Meier back through time to meet a former version of himself so obviously Jmannuel knew and would recognise Asket and also Billy Meier from that meeting.
It would take some arranging though not impossible to accomplish ..... seeing Jmannuel was familiar with and would remember both Asket & Billy .... return to Srinigar just before Jmannuel wraps up the TJ into the satchel for his son Joseph to return to the cave near Jerusalem and ask to borrow the manuscripts for copying ..... Asket must have some sort of recording material like the Timar version of a camera for instance or their version of a portable scanner.
That's all it takes and then you have something marvelous ..... an intact version of TJ with all the after Damascus history included.
If anything historical is worth salvaging it's surely that document.
Cheers.
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Jim
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Post Number: 139
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2012 - 09:37 am: |
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Edmundo-- a late response: I suppose that the "newest" version won't be out until some time in 2013. It will evidently contain more new sections or pieces that Rashid supposedly omitted.
Ramirez-- It would be quite something if a complete version of the Aramaic TJ somehow became available. Then one would have the difficult task (after photographing much of it) of loaning it to some suitable paleographer or New Testament scholar for analysis of its genuineness, and hope that he would not fail to return it some day, or would not keep passing it on to other scholars to look at until it was lost, or not secrete it away, or not destroy it.
Meier was told that it didn't matter that the TJ was destroyed by fire when only its first 1/4 had been translated, becausee the truths taught enroute to, and in, northern India were the same truths already presented in the surviving quarter of the TJ. However, in all other respects it would be extremely interesting to learn about whatever was written about Jmmanuel's travels, marriage, wife, children, further contacts with Gabriel, Judas Iscariot, etc.
Regarding the fire that destroyed the original TJ, Rashid said only that it was due to an Israeli raid. Probably an air raid, but possibly not since the Lebanese refugee camp, which Rashid & family had fled to, was said to be rather close to the Israeli border.
Yes, Asket could have learned much more about the TJ's contents through further time travel trips; we don't know if or how much she may have done along those lines without Meier's knowledge. |
Ramirez
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Post Number: 795
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2012 - 08:42 pm: |
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Hi Jim,
Now is the time due to the factor that Billy is still with us.
Strategically this undertaking would have far greater implications over the long run because Billy Meier could without hesitation state how he acquired copies of the genuine original manuscripts and though far fetched sounding as an explanation which would likely be scoffed at by various detractors and most persons in general at this time it's the actual evidence which counts .... copies of the manuscripts plus another factor which i think he appreciates ..... whatever the vatican has hidden it's archives will be no longer after the forthcoming events materialize so there you have it .... roman church down the gurgler with nothing more than memories to substantiate it's claims whilst for the progressives and thinkers something which though seemingly science fiction now is nevertheless tangible and will be more so in future as the possibilities of discoveries concerning time yield workable technologies.
However in future there will never be a 7th prophet.
Far into the distance when humanity matures and evolves such actions (to retrieve the manuscripts) would be viewed as farsighted and progressive but for now probably placed into the category of fantasy.
What would really seal it for history would be photographs - videos of Billy and Asket posing with her craft. If it's going to be a solid enduring undertaking .... do it in style covering all the angles so the legacy endures for millenia.
After he's gone nothing more can be done and ..... a picture is worth .............. how many words 
The greater the volume of material available the better the continuity, coherence and comparison possibilities for matching styles with other works.
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"Yes, Asket could have learned much more about the TJ's contents through further time travel trips; we don't know if or how much she may have done along those lines without Meier's knowledge."
You might recall when Billy met Jmannuel and they began to have a conversation Asket went off to sit under a tree because "she had heard it before" ..... i think the answer may be there.
Cheers.
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Jim
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Post Number: 140
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 12:19 am: |
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Hi Ramirez,
Don't forget that the Plejarens, and also Asket, don't want to force the Talmud of Jmmanuel on Earthlings. They don't wish to supply evidence so firm that people would end up being forced, all too quickly, to believe it whether they wanted to or not. Free will is very important to them.
And realize that if they had wished, Semjase or Asket could have taken precautions and actions, not recognized by persons involved, that would have ensured that the Aramaic TJ scrolls or rolls had survived the Israeli raid. And also could have ensured that Rashid and family had not been assassinated, etc. |
Ramirez
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Post Number: 795
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2013 - 01:25 am: |
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Hi Jim,
I agree partly with that and as for safeguarding assets .... Meier himself was saved by the proverbial skin of his teeth a couple times so protecting Rashid and his family might have been too much of an undertaking. A refugee camp and SSSC are way different security scenarios and Rashid was careless somewhere along the way by allowing word to leak out about his translation project.
However concerning this:
"It would be quite something if a complete version of the Aramaic TJ somehow became available. Then one would have the difficult task (after photographing much of it) of loaning it to some suitable paleographer or New Testament scholar for analysis of its genuineness, and hope that he would not fail to return it some day, or would not keep passing it on to other scholars to look at until it was lost, or not secrete it away, or not destroy it."
Asket could most likely with no difficulty convert copies of scans or pictures of individual pages into JPEG or similar earth computer format so there could be limitless identical digital copies spread about and hidden for safekeeping.
Even nowdays any decent sort of $100 digital camera could make such pictures effortlessly however the issue would be could such images survive the time travel factor and radiations within the craft .... some of Meier's previous pictures were spoiled due to that but those were celluloid film.
Sure, free will .... but it's also important to be able to offer an alternative ..... not force it, offer it, though to be able to do that requires having a tangible one in your possession.
Persons tend to make up their mind after comparing but the trick is to make a comparison possible in the first place which is why religions are famous for .... book burning and so forth .... to reduce the possibilities of comparison.
If you have it it's an option though not necessarily one to be used immediately.
Cheers.
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Coreyb
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2013 - 03:16 pm: |
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Hello,
I'm finding it rather difficult to obtain a physical copy of The Talmud of Jmmanuel, or at least a legitimate one.
If anyone could refer me to a link to purchase it, it would be much appreciated.  |
Ramirez
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Post Number: 834
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2013 - 08:31 pm: |
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www.theyfly.com
Cheers.
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Coreyb
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 11-2012
| | Posted on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 10:53 pm: |
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Hey Ramirez,
Michael said it's out of print and he doesn't have any available for purchasing.
But thanks for the link anyway. |
Savio
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Post Number: 765
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2014 - 07:11 am: |
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Hi Iamhoagie
During a Q&A session, Billy expressed his view on prostitution:
“The main reason why human beings should avoid prostitution is the preservation of human dignity. To sell one’s body or to buy a body is against human dignity. The sexual act between two people should be an act of love and/or affection.
Another important reason against prostitution is the dissemination of diseases (just as it is the case with promiscuity).
There is no Creational law against prostitution; it’s “just” a Creational recommendation.”
As for TJ, it seems there is nothing mentioned against prostitution.
As for the Bible, just ignore those falsifications.
Salome
Savio
http://billybooks.org
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1289
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2015 - 01:30 am: |
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Does anyone know why Jmmanuel's birthplace was chosen and steered in the middle east and especially Bethlehem?
Why did the Petali and Arahat Athersata spirit forms through the request of Plejos order Nokodemjon's spirit form as Jmmanel to be born in that particular town instead of Jerusalem or Telaviv?
It may have had an ancient reason obviously but why there of all places in Israel/Palestine?
Matt lee |
Blake_p
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Post Number: 277
Registered: 07-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2015 - 07:52 pm: |
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the Mediterranean Sea and the surrounding areas back then were the hub of most civilizations so Jmmanuel could travel and reach many people within his area,I assume.
But specifically, he was there to stop the spread of the terrible and murderous cult that was created by Jehav and then carried on by the Saudeccies,Pharisees,and the complicit scribes who laid waste to the true spirit teaching.
If you notice the terrible pattern here, The Nokodemion Spiritform comes as a prophet to spread the truthly truth,then we screw it up completely,his Spiritform comes back to right the ship,and then we screw it up again, and so on and so forth...you know,wash-rinse and repeat. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1292
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| | Posted on Friday, January 02, 2015 - 02:12 am: |
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Thanks Blake
Well put we humans are very screwy lot aren't we.
It may just be something about screwing that is irresistably attractive to us.
I means its as if our whole ancient history revolved around the so call good vs evil or rather the GIs vs the Plejaren intervention in a continuous tit for tat counterbalancing act
Gee all that wasted time for nothing when we could've already joined the Plejaren federation by now. |
Paul_wr
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Post Number: 1
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2015 - 12:30 am: |
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not allow filming or photos because the evidence that has been given is su= fficient enough to get people to think=2C and put everything together throu= |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 456
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2016 - 08:45 am: |
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Never have heard of this? Super-hot giant plasma fireballs are flying through space in a mysterious phenomenon that has scientists baffled. They are twice the size as Mars.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/wonder/giant-fireballs-flying-through-space-are-a-mystery/vi-BBx8sxx?ocid=spartandhp
Kenneth, why are posting this in this section?
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 457
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2016 - 08:26 pm: |
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Scott,
Don't know how what happened; thanks for moving it. I thought that I selcted the "General Area"?
Kenneth |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 505
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2016 - 02:22 pm: |
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Quetzal and Billy talked about health dangers in space travel; NASA now has additional information.
NASA first identified the mysterious syndrome in 2005, when astronaut John Phillipss vision went from 20/20 to 20/100 after six months in orbit. Extensive physical examinations revealed that the back of Phillipss eyeballs had somehow gotten flatter, inflaming the optic nerve.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/11/nasa-astronauts-eyeballs-flattened-blurry-vision-space-science/?
Quetzal
274. That is correct because at that time, we explained to you the dangers of space flight because the conquering of interstellar space isn't as simple, as the Earth people imagines it.
275. The free space hides many dangers in itself, which the Earth person is still in no way aware of.
276. In particular, the very dangerous kind of space-conquering, as is pursued by the Earth people, releases damage to the health in the person.
277. First and foremost, the Earth people have no knowledge about the hazardous, body-damaging, as well as organ-damaging radiations, which prevail in all of space and pass through it.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_150
Kenneth
Kennth why are you posting in this area? This has nothing to do with the Talmud?, this also applies to your post following this one. If you check the topic more closely, you will see this is the "General Area" for the Talmud, not a "General" for misc topics. Please take time to research the correct area. If you need assistance, please let me or the other moderators know. Thanks-Scott
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 505
Registered: 04-2013
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Nuking Hurricanes? This is not only a bad idea, its insanity! At one time the head of the U.S. Weather Bureau said he could imagine the possibility someday of exploding a nuclear bomb on a hurricane far at sea. What other injudicious and reckless ideas will Earth scientists come up with?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/11/hurricanes-weather-history-nuclear-weapons/?
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Learnmore12
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Post Number: 83
Registered: 05-2014
| | Posted on Friday, February 17, 2017 - 09:08 am: |
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In the new TJ, in many areas, it is said that Nokodemion was asked to pursue his mission by JHWH. Who is this JHWH? It is also mentioned that Jmmanuel asks his disciples and discipless to thank JHWH, and above all stands the Creation who should be revered. So, again the JHWH is talked about. I am curious as to who this JHWH could be, or is it a general term for any God of wisdom? Does anyone have any idea what or who is being talked about? Thanks.
Jessy |
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