| Author | Message | ||
    Lonnie Morton |
Hi Norm, Very interesting! One discrepancy that this character the Maitreya has shown, when he says to just look for the truth within yourself, is that he does not give any clear direction on exactly how to do this. At least Billy shows us how we can find the truth within ourselves with true and proper meditation. And in order to truly experience spiritual growth we must be logical in our thinking. The Creational teachings, as taught in the TJ, helps us to do just that. And it gives me great peace of mind knowing that Billy has clarified all of the teachings for us and is a living example of their truthfulness. Salome, Lonnie | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 224 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All... The latest news from The Belgian Tribunal concerning the pursue to let 'Ariel Sharon' and his accomplices be convicted of "Genocide" against the Palestinian Refugee-Camps and all the killed.. men, women and childeren can only come into effect when he is Out Of Office! As some of us may know...his party had just won a new term of governing...thus, it is/was not possible for the Belgium Tribunal to take him in for questioning and it's procedures. As some of us on this board can/may Acknowledge... that those were the Included.. Refugee-Camps... where the translator of The Talmud of Jmmanuel.. 'Isa Rashid'.. was presued by the israeli soldiers and government...before his death(assassination). Killing an estimated total of some 2000-2,500 defenceless men, women and their childern. The deaths amongst the Palestinians are 3 times as much as of the israelis..; Apart from the refugee casualties.., When speaking of the Urbon-warfare. As I have noticed, The Belgian Tribunal of Belgium... will continue to also persue other Leaderships from all over the world.. from the past that had also made themselves Guilty... to Genocide to other Defenceless peoples of the world. It even seems... that Now... Even.. The Bush Administration... Will Be Watched On! Every Step they make. Edward. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 540 Registered: 02-2000 |
I thought I would share this with everyone. I asked the publisher about the following. Is there any word on when the book Celestial Teachings by James Deardorff, will be back in print? Thank You, Norm Dear Norm, Thank you for being patient. Our funding on that was pulled out when the sponsor fled to Central America to flee the rising fascist state here. Oh well. Meanwhile we continue on projects that we must complete on deadline. So CT is this year, but timing is unclear. Take care. | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 05-2003 |
"Just recently (October 2002) we were informed once again about an illegal translation of the Talmud Jmmanuel into Norwegian, which has been posted anonymously. With such actions which, as a rule, may be well-meaning but which are dangerous and illegal (copyright!), one is harming FIGU's Mission because truth is mixed with untruth. Once again the people here on Earth are led astray, as it has been the case some 2000 years ago through the gross falsification of the Talmud Jmmanuel." The translation is only from swedish to norwegian, and there should not be room for to many mistakes here. I dont really think FIGU has had the effort to look into this version of the Talmud to really know what they are talking about. I dont think people of the world are being "led astray"... | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 600 Registered: 02-2000 |
Do you have a copy of the TJ? If not what is your source of proof, that the above quote is not true? | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 05-2003 |
ww w.semjase.net, talmud av Immanuel. On norwegian | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 78 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi Howard, It's absolutely important that any translations made from FIGU's material are done directly from the German original! Anyone can make a test: If you let a person (who is not aware of the German original) translate the Talmud of Jmmanuel from English back into German and compare the result with the originalyou will know why we are so strict with our rule. | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 79 Registered: 02-2000 |
I forgot to add: The translation of the TJ on ww.semjase.net is a severe act of copyright infringement and we are working now at taking the necessary legal steps against it. | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 05-2003 |
Will you also take the legal steps on the contact notes? i think that would be a shame, so many people have use of it. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Christian, I agree that website is a copyright infringement as they should have got FIGU approval. Also any kind of translations will be a problem when in most languages there are more then one ways to write a sentence with the same meaning. About the only way to translate anything to another language from let say German to English, is to get the German originals translated independently by different professional translators followed by all the translations put together for a final common translated written works. Then this should be given back to Billy to give back to the Plejarans to make any more corrections. If this can't be done, then with any language to language translation, you can expect errors. Also it is not uncommon to substitute new words into the English language from other languages which may not presently exist. The English language is built up of many such already existing words added to it over the last many number of years. The good news is, the German originals are actually worth far more then the English translated works! -Truthseeker | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 294 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Christan and All.... Yes, Its good that the website w ww.Semjase.net has been noticed and forwarded to this board and FIGU in general. I would also Agree with Christian and James; they should have asked FIGU and Billy for Approval. Even if it was with Good Intention or not. Again, This can indeed Create "Translation" problems and even More Misunderstandings with Billy's Experiences and The Teachings of The Spirit, and The Laws of Nature and Creation...Etc. I was even surprised to see Semjase's Handwriting in picture formaat! Which looked very Original; which I had not see before. Only the Alphabet (Plejaran) from "AY...TF". Which I fine Very Unique Documentations(both). Ofcourse the Proper Steps being taken...would be in it's place. Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 295 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All... I thought all of you may want to Know; concerning the motion picture "The Passion" by Mel Gibson. As some of you may know, it is another view-point of the life of Jesus Christ(Factually - Jmmanuel - as we Know and Acknowledge!) I watched an interview with a spokesmen of a Jewish groep, as it seemed, to him and this groep, that the film "The Passion" as being "Anti-Semitic"! And it was being looked into by this spokesmen. But he did in turn also mention, that there were other literature as "The Talmud"(and mentioning others) which did not seem to be it it's place either!! So, I take-it....That he was meaning "The Talmud Of Jmmanuel"! Which I...in a way, was Not surprised to hear....but then..in another way..I was. I myself have not seen the motion picture yet, as it is not showing here yet, But...it makes me Wonder Even More...what the Fus is all about! It Sounds Like Another Great "Historical" Product made by Mel Gibson...Himself! Great Actor...and Motion Picture maker! Edward. | ||
Christina Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 07-2003 |
Edward In the Daily Mail on Thursday there was a two-page article about The Passion, and it did mention something about Mel Gibson having used other sources of information besides the four gospels. But no reference was made suggesting that the Talmud of Jmmanuel was one of those sources. In fact, it stated that the sources he did use merely amplified the suffering of Jesus (Jmmanuel) in great detail. So it is expected that the film will be portrayed in a realistic light in that the depiction of his torture and crucifixion will be bloody and brutal. If no one is aware of this yet, The Passion was made with the consent and supervision of the Vatican. Seeing as the Talmud of Jmmanuel's two major themes are Creation and the Celestial Sons who brought with them the spiritual teachings and made possible the birth of Jmmanuel, it is highly unlikely that The Passion with have any relation to this whatsoever. Also, Mel Gibson is a devout Roman Catholic and chooses to believe in the gospels as being historically authentic. What is more, while filming The Passion he believed the so-called Holy Ghost was present and guiding his directorial eye. Even the actor who plays "Jesus" insists that he was filled with some sort of divine presence. Of course, being in the company of like-minded individuals who believe strongly, though falsely, are bound nonetheless to experience something out of the ordinary. But this they would not dare assume it is consciousness-related and, therefore, human potential. That would be blasphemous. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 601 Registered: 02-2000 |
Edward, Thats wishful thinking! Hardly anyone knows about the TJ! If anything it going to be a more Catholic version of the story. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 602 Registered: 02-2000 |
One more thing, there is a Jewish book called just "The Talmud", that has nothing to do with the TJ. | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 05-2003 |
Why do you always call Jesus Immanuel?, Why dont you just take the evangeliums as it is, and place it under its right cathegory, and then place talmud of Immanuel under Billy Meiers historical teachings. There is way to many differences between the evangeliums and the Talmud to just plainly let them slide over each other. To not recognize Gods is kind of foolish, as One doesn't know if they exist, even the plejarens cannot possibly know if they dont exist. In contact 6 they state that they dont know every step in the evolutional order. In case they exist they must be on a much higher level than the machinelike, creations spiritual order. (I will admit that "machinelike" is not the right word.) This everlasting creation is not neccesearly the only possible creation... Are we all trapped in logic? I find it horrible that i have to go through every damn step in the evolutional creation, just to reach another spiritual goal. So much suffering! As billy mentioned in the 6th contact, this is hell. We have to take the consequences of everything we do, Billy is kind of getting punished for the "suffering" he has given us by religion. And he blames it on us, because we were to stupid to understand his teachings. Well, I dont believe in Billy being the prophets and Yeshua, but thats another story. So, when there is a God who has felt sorry for the human suffering, living in eternal sin, in eternal failure, even creation commits mistakes! Then, I think we should grab that opportunity and experience the light of Christ as it is, a much purer source than you can ever get from any spiritual teaching. I felt I got another spirit of it. And thats why, when the humans choose to not let God take over ones life, one has to trust ones own spirit, and "evolve" through that. Thats (maybe) why christianity is so harsh against spiritualpower thats not from christ. Its the spirit of reincarnation, the spirit of perdition. I know I have said things like this before, and i hope you are not laughing at me. Howard | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 06-2000 |
Thank you Christina . I had wondered about the details of this movie . Your research is informative , relevant , and even necessary . Mark Campbell | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 296 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Christine... Now that you have mentioned the Source related in backing Mel Gibson's film "The Passion", I would Not Truely be Surprised if there may have been Some "Themes" of So-Called..Anti-Semitism(which may seem/look to be that way)...in the motion picture. As it Is Known...in the second world war...that the Catholic Church has "Recognized and Acknowledge"...that it was The Jewish People....that Betrayed Jesus(Jmmanuel). And that the Vatican...Did have a "Hostile" Stance towards the Jewish people. Not to wonder why, the Vatican Even...gave "Refuge" to Ex-Nazis, before they had a good chance to flee to South-America...or some other country. Thus, it Is written, that Adolf Hitler was a very Religious Christian/Catholic(but Not being a Fundamentalist..and Did Not belive is Misusing a Gods name); and there are even pictures to back him visiting these church masses. But the point of my posting was More; the concerning of the spokesmen of that Jewish groep of people, and because The Talmud was mentioned(in Literature...Not The Motion picture) as being Anti-Semitic...Which It IS Not! Just like it would Not Even be the case...concerning The Passion...I would Think..; from the Stand Point of View...Of True Historical(Not Biblical) Facts..concerning the True Prophet "Jmmanuel". But again...I have not yet seen the motion picture...thus can not give True Conclusion(s). Edward. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 603 Registered: 02-2000 |
Edward, "Here are some quotes which show what Hitler thought of Christianity: "Christianity is an invention of sick brains," -- Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941. "So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death," -- Adolf Hitler, 14 October 1941. Definitely not the words of a good Catholic!" http://home.nyc.rr.com/mysticalrose/object5.html | ||
Pureharmony Member Post Number: 90 Registered: 08-2002 |
Hi Howard, You wrote-"Why do you always call Jesus Immanuel?" This is why: Isaiah 7:14 "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel." Look it up, if you like. *pureharmony* | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Howard, I've always wondered why you still call Prophet Jmmanuel Jesus Christ(which means anointed son of Zeus). Perhaps you should also ask why the Muslims call him Issa or Yas Asuf?, why the Greeks call him Yesus Christos?, why the Essenes call him Joshuah or Yeshuah?, why the Tibetans call him Ashyah or Yeshosh?, why some Buddhist call him Maitreya? and why New Agers are now calling him Sananda Kumara? Let's get one thing straight here, we do not evangelize on this forum, nor to other religions. If others don't like what is said here then they should go back to their own churches and forums. If you want to evangelize, then I'm sure there are many other forums for you to choose from who do. There are many other religions out there for you to choose from and debate with, all of which have their own opinions as to who Jmmanuel really was. If you find peace in the light of Christ, Krisna or Creation, then I'm not one to argue because that is your own personal experience. Good luck in your search and Hara Christna. -Truthseeker | ||
Christina Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 07-2003 |
Howard We tend to refer to Jmmanuel when we speak of Jesus because it was around Jmmanuel’s life that the story of Jesus was fashioned, and so to speak of Jesus without reference to Jmmanuel would in a way imply that Jesus was a historical figure, when in truth he wasn’t. However, in a way you are right to say that the two names should be separated, seeing as there are many differences between them, and perhaps we should start to think of making some effort to do this, so as not to confuse the two any more than they already have been. For most of us here, I feel it is safe to say, the discovery of Jmmanuel and the spiritual teachings within the TJ have struck a chord with us, and awakened within us something that the gospels have failed to do. It is true that we don’t know for certain that Jmmanuel really existed. We have only Eduard’s word on this. But why Jmmanuel of all names? And why does it say in Matthew Chapter 1, Verse 23: “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel...”, referring to a prophecy made by the prophet Isaiah, Chapter 7, Verse 14? You may choose to believe in the existence of one called Jesus, who died for your sins and was resurrected, but the evidence against this is in the same book in which you put your faith. There is no evidence that proves the Talmud of Jmmanuel is false. But many will refuse to believe it because it speaks of Creation and not of a Creator-God that seems to make more sense for non-thinking people who can’t understand how a non-being created the universe, which in their eyes was made perfect. And because it speaks of a man who was, above all, just a man, yet who could use the power of his spirit. And because it speaks of a people who are able to travel to this world from another dimension, something that many still regard as science fiction. And because it speaks of god as a human spiritual ruler and not as a divine presence who is beyond comprehension. Truly the religions of the world and our methods of thinking are challenged by this book, and one can only come to understand it in time. But for me it confirms something that I have always believed in, whether I choose to believe in god or Creation. It confirms that each and every one of us were made to stand on our own two feet. And in this I can trust. How certain are you that you can trust in the name of Jesus or a Creator-God? If there is one thing that we are all at fault in doing, it is talking about things we don’t know anything about, and often we fool ourselves in believing we do know something about them. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 297 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Norman...and All... I see I have gotten a Good Discussion going here! I Am Aware...Of That Jewish - The Talmud -(and Others) you are refering to! And I Do Not Remember any "Anti-Semitic"(dialogue) being in it!(from a "Historical" Point of View) Talmud='Study' in Hebrew. It is Unlikely, that That..Jewish literature... Being..."Anti-Semitic"...towards Another Jewish groep!?? Not?? (as the spokesmen was refering to) Just as Other..."Talmuds"(concerning Juda-ism)..that Utilize That Title..even of being! So, the spokesmen, I would Think was/Is Refering to, would be "The Talmud...Of Jmmanuel". As "The Talmud Of Jmmanuel"...was Once being accused of before; As some of us may know. As Only...The Talmud Of Jmmanuel..Is Concerning Literature..Concerning...the True Life of the True Prophet...Jmmanuel(Jesus by Error). Which Is Not Mentioned in other literature..with the Title... (The) Talmud...Before it...or After it.(as far as I know) And Concerning Hitler on Christianity; as you may have noticed...it differs from what you have posted. I have just come across other literatures of his thoughts concerning it/this. As I have also come across that there was Much Bad/Negative "propaganda" Made-up Against him by The Allies... in order to "Discredit" him even more. As is Done with ALL opposing Leaderships..of The Allies(as it is even being done Today). Specially Britain Secret Service was a "Specialist" in this matter at the time! Which was Released in documentations ...some time ago. So, I guess our Thoughts Will Differ on this matter. Edward. |
