| Author | Message | ||
    Jim Deardorff |
I'd like to take advantage of this opportunity, of having some people with all kinds of different knowledge, all around the world, looking into this forum, to ask a question about TJ 24:28. There the word "meramie" appears, as something that was tithed, along with mint, dill and caraway seeds. Would anyone know of some place else within written literature where meramie is mentioned or defined? I've asked Meier about this, via one or two FIGU members in years past, and Meier has said, if I recall right, that it was a tea, or did he say that it was a healing herb? It might have been both. I think he said that it is found in Greece even in our own era. What I need is some definite information about it, i.e., a scholar's reference! Needless to say, I've spent some hours looking in libraries for it, but haven't had any success. | ||
Savio |
Hi all With reference to 1996 TJ chapter23:45 "So when human beings die, their spirits live on and leave this existence for the beyond, where they continue to gather the wisdom of knowledge" It seems what was written in TJ does not match our understanding that a spirit will only be able to learn and evolve during each life times. Any comments? Regards Savio | ||
Anthea |
Hi Savio  My understanding of this teaching is that each material lifetime is lived to accumulate knowledge, which leads to wisdom, which leads to evolution. I don't think Jmmanuel was saying here that the spirit form continues to accumulate knowledge and wisdom in the same way it did in it's material body, but rather that in the "beyond" the spirit form "digests" it's previous material life and accumulated knowledge, and therefrom gains wisdom, and evolves accordingly. Anyone else have some thoughts on this? Kind Regards, Anthea | ||
Jim Deardorff |
Hi Anthea, Savio, I see it the same way. We gather knowledge in our lifetimes, and convert it into wisdom mostly while in the other world. | ||
Michael Horn |
Hi, So my question is how is this done? Are we "conscious" in some way? Is it a "world" as we know it, with interactions between spirits, are there "teachers", what is the nature of the this world, the Beyond? Michael | ||
Savio |
Hi Anthea and Jim I agree to your comments. Thank you It is true that nothing can be learned without experiencing. We live through our lives to experience and learn according to the plan made in the beyond. To make a plan for the next life the spirit needs to sum up what it learned in its pass lives hence leads to wisdom, this is logical. A question comes to mind - To make a plan for further evolution, the spirit should know what is good or bad. However, I remember that there was a comment(Andrew?) that the spirit is neutral, neither good nor bad (hence there is no such thing as evil spirit). Can a neutral spirit make a positive plan for its next life? Any comments? Regards Savio Moderator: Hello Savio. Just to avoid going off track from the current topic of Jmmanuel's original quote in Chap. 23 (i.e. how to interpret it), the topic The Spirit, Spirit Forms, and the Psyche would be a good place to pursue more general questions on the spirit. Thanks... Marc | ||
Jim Deardorff |
Hi Michael, From what I've gathered from Michael Newton's books, we're indeed very much conscious when within the Beyond -- more so than in our present lives. There do seem to be interactions between spirits there, especially within friendly groups of 5 to 25, who are all at a comparable level of spiritual evolution, and who tend to interact with each other repeatedly during physical lifetimes. And there seem to be more advanced spirits around, some of whom are teachers or advisors. And Savio, it seems right to say that our spirits, in life and in the Beyond, are neither good nor bad. Yet, they can be of different levels of evolution, and therefore of different levels of knowledge/wisdom. Hence some are more ignorant than others, and ignorance is undesirable -- a thing to be overcome -- and therefore bad in that sense. This reasoning then leads to the conclusion that spirits can be bad to the extent, or in the sense, that they are ignorant. Does this make sense? | ||
Michael Horn |
Hi Jim, Thanks, and I don't know anything about Michael Newton's books, please tell more. Is anything known about them by other FIGU members, had Billy referred to them somewhere? Michael | ||
Jim Deardorff |
Michael, Let me reply under "The Spirit, Spirit Forms, and the Psyche" which Marc supplied a link to a couple messages back. (Marc: I couldn't find this heading anywhere in the main link list of Meier's books & booklets, and it's not within "Life in the Physical and Spiritual.") | ||
Jim Deardorff |
Woops! After going to this link, I could find no place to leave a message. So let me place it under the heading "Life in the Physical & Spiritual." | ||
Michael Horn |
Regarding 21:7, the word Creation is attributed to the blind men. Isn't this rather unlikely, that they would use this term? Do we have any other perhaps historical reference as to how common the usage of this term was? Michael | ||
Michael Horn |
Regarding 21:23, where it says "...to the last dot on the 'i'.", did the writing/alphabet of the time and people include a small "i" with a dot on it? As Jmmanuel is spelled with a "J" instead of an "I", was a small (and dotted) "j" used? Michael | ||
Michael Horn |
Regarding 23:47, Jmmanuel is quoted as saying that he will, "...return as a representative of god...etc." This is certainly an interesting statement as one wonders if this refers to Billy or another future incarnation. It is especially interesting as he doesn't mention coming as a representative of the Creation but of god (small "g" in the English translation.) Anybody else curious about this? Michael | ||
Savio |
Hello Referring to 1996 TJ 21:24, "Truly, truly, I say to you: the human being was never perfect in spirit and so has never fallen away from Creation" What is the connection between never perfect in spirit and never fallen away from Creation? Regards Savio | ||
Mark Campbell |
Hi Savio ; I think the current day opinion of christianity that man is "fallen short of the glory of god" , is what this refers to. The "hopeless sinner", etc.This attitude was likely the same as the religious community had at the time .Jmmanuel was correcting the dogma and stating a fact , according to his knowledge . Salome , Mark | ||
Michael Horn |
Hi Savio, My guess is that it means that from the beginning the spirit was not full in its development, i.e. knowledge, ability, understanding, experience, wisdom, etc. Creation has created the spirit so that it has the full potential to become perfected. This seems obvious in light of our understanding that it evolves and perfects itself over countless incarnations so that it can ultimately remerge with Creation. Therefore the spirit has not degenerated, i.e. it wasn't perfect to begin with (only having the potential for perfection.) Michael | ||
Norm |
Michael, I am! Its either a mistake or a bad translation.(What TJ Book is it from?) It may mean one of Billy's future incarnations will be of an Extraterrestial kind. Maybe at a time on Earth when ETs are out in the open and no big deal, or he could be the ET that lands on the White House Lawn so to speak. | ||
sekitillic |
Hi all, It's more likely that, in order to maintain a certain hold (on whatever level), you'd better tell people that they are not created perfect and that there is much to learn. I've said this before, you'd might think i'm paranoid (-; but WHY would anyone tell you you are not made perfect, yet has forgotten it? sekitillic | ||
Savio |
Hi Mark & Michael Thank you for the explanations. I think I can get hold of the meaning now. To sum up: The spirit was not perfect when created, yet it was with Creation. Through countless incarnations,through making huge/small mistakes, the spirit will only become more perfect hence the opinion of "fallen away from Creation" can never be established; it also proved that the opinion of "fallen short of the glory of god", "Hopeless sinners go to hell" etc. are not logical. Regards Savio | ||
Michael Horn |
Hi Norm, It is in the brown covered version. I doubt that Billy's future incarnation in this case, if indeed this is even referring to a future incarnation of his, will be extraterrestrial as that would mean that he died on another planet (according to the teachings we have on reincarnation.) Of course this could be possible but I think something else is going on here but...I haven't figured out yet what it is. | ||
Savio |
Hi Sekitillic Whether or not we are created perfect, we are not born to be knowledgeable and there is much to learn is a fact. An University student is surely more knowledgeable than a child in the kindergarden, we will then state that the child is less perfect than the U student. If this logic stands, we can say that we all started with little knowledge hence less/not perfect. Any comments? Regards Savio | ||
Jim Deardorff |
Hi Michael, On your question re the "the last dot on the 'i'", the German can be translated as "the last 'i' spot, which is similar to the English. However, the old Aramaic alphabet, or Paleo-Hebrew, didn't have any separate dot on any of its letters. Each of its letters were formed of joined lines, line segments or arcs. However, it might have referred to the letter "Gimel" or "Peh," each of which consists of a nearly vertical line stroke with a tick off to the left at its top. Perhaps the Aramaic had referred to a letter like that, and Rashid, understanding what it meant, translated it as he did so as to make sense in German (and English). No, Jmmanuel wouldn't have started with a small "j" with a dot, as the symbol shown for this, in the old Lyran language, is just a plain capital J. So I think the answer has to lie with a presumption of how Rashid translated what he did. Regards, Jim | ||
Jim Deardorff |
Hi Michael, Your other question was: "Regarding 21:7, the word Creation is attributed to the blind men. Isn't this rather unlikely, that they would use this term? Do we have any other perhaps historical reference as to how common the usage of this term was?" As far as I know, "Creation" wasn't used at all in the Old Testament. However, "Creator" was, though sparingly, only in Isaiah (an Jmmanuel past life) and once in Ecclesiastes. In TJ 28:52-63, Jmmanuel is said to have used the word "Creation," and Caiaphas seems to have understood that it meant "Creator." The two words must have been very similar in Aramaic just as they are in English. So it's likely that the blind men had used the word "Creator," with the writer, Judas, having been informed by Jmmanuel that it should be corrected to "Creation" so as not to refer to an entity with a gender. Though it is also possible, I guess, that the term "Creation" did get used some in referring to "Creator" but never got into the sacred Hebrew literature. Regarding Savio's question, and TJ 21:22, there Jmmanuel was referring to his prophecy that at some time in his future this false philosophy would arise, that humans had fallen away from Creation or God and thus needed to re-perfect themselves. That philosophy arose from one of the later church fathers. Regards, Jim | ||
Jim Deardorff |
Hi Michael & Norm, I do interpret it as referring to Billy. He is their (the Plejaren ETs' or Ptaah's or god's) prophet of our age, and he returned (reincarnated) in 1933. He has already sat in judgment of some of those who have belittled the spirit and the TJ, such as Kal Korff. But TJ 23:49 explains that the harsh judgment will be the words of truth. However, this won't amount to much of any judgment until the TJ becomes accepted as truth by large numbers of people. Right now it seems as if that will take an awful long time before it occurs. Or at least not until after the ETs show up overtly for all to recognize as real. Then one of the deterrents to the TJ's acceptance will have been removed. | ||
Norm |
Michael,
After all Billys spirit form was brought here from another world per his agreement with the Plejarans. The Plejarans could move his spirit form to another more advanced world and have him incarnate there if they want. | ||
sekitillic |
Hi Savio, From my point of view, there is nothing to learn through acquired knowledge. To study BEing, e.i. to absorbe outside information as 'fact' clouds the Mind. Sekitillic | ||
Michael Horn |
Dear Sekitillic, I can appreciate your point but I want the surgeon to have learned some outside information as facts, the pilot as well, the everyday driver, the electrician, the plumber, the operator of heavy machinery, the... Salome, Michael | ||
Michael Horn |
Dear Jim and Norm, Thanks for the input and perspective. Pretty interesting stuff the more we get into it, eh? ("eh?" is generously included by me for Andrew's benefit in the event that he's still tuning in here!) Michael | ||
Savio |
Hi Sekitillic I would think 'fact' clouds the mind only when the facts are not managed properly; same as a computer data base, if the data is well managed and sorted, the performance would be very high. Anyway, one scenario I am quite sure of is: A baby who is brought up by a monkey in the forest all his life will never be as knowledgeable as you and can never talk so deep as you do  Regards Savio | ||
Rick Nelson |
Hello, The only facts that might cloud the mind are false facts. True facts, if sufficiently studied, assimilated and tested for validity through life experience, are what sets the mind free. Peace, Rick Nelson | ||
sekitillic |
Hi all, I don't value my 'knowledge' highly, it is by releasing the want to know that i've found Peace in Mind. I would say that the baby brought up in the wild is the purest being around. Unaware of all the ego-type feelings and emotions, that baby will exist in the moment and BE. But this is not on subject, perhaps a good issue for another thread? Moderator: Thank you, Sekitillic. Yes, we should try to get back on this topic here. But you're free to continue discussing this in the Non-FIGU-Related:Miscellaneous area. • Marc | ||
Anthea |
Hi Norm, You said "After all Billys spirit form was brought here from another world per his agreement with the Plejarans..." This is an interesting statement you made. Where did you read about this? I don't recall reading in any of the material that I have that his spirit form was brought to Earth from "another world". Kind Regards, Anthea | ||
Andrew C. Cossette |
Hello Michael (and all), *LOL* Ha ha ha... Yes, you are correct. This verse in the Talmud (all versions) does indeed refer to Mr. Meier's current incarnation, i.e., meaning "Billy." The word "God" was used more by Jmmanuel for his times and peoples -- their understanding. The word that would (obviously) better describe it now would be "JHWH," eh? This is what it is meaning. Regards, Andrew | ||
Ardie Fox |
Hi Anthea and Norm, Instead of "another world", would it be more accurate to say that he came from a WE FORM. A highly advanced group of spirit forms (7- I believe) that no longer need to reincarnate into physical bodies? Ardie | ||
Scott B. |
Hello In chapter 28, page 217 line 17 of the Talmud it is written: "His body trembled, and fine drops of sweaty blood flowed all over him because he was so afraid and anxious". Has this reaction to a fearful situation produced this type of response in the human body before? I know that fear can cause increased blood pressure and heart rate along with the increase of adrenalin. I wonder what type of mechanisms in the human body would trigger this type of effect? Has it ever been documented in medical literature that in extreme situations this can occurr? Salome Scott | ||
Jim Deardorff |
Hello Scott, This verse has always puzzled many, since a similar verse appears in the Gospel of Luke. I don't know of any medical explanation. In the translation of the German "Schweissblut" it's not clear how best to render it. Sweaty blood or blood-like sweat, or sweat mixed with blood, or what? Since it was early nighttime when this was observed by Judas Iscariot, it might have been fine beads and droplets of sweat that appeared dark -- almost as dark as blood. (No streetlights to illumine it!) It's easy to understand why the verse was omitted in the Gospel of Matthew; it didn't want to portray "Jesus" as fearful ever. Regards, Jim | ||
Steve M. |
I'm told "Schweissblut" is not really a literal term but more of an an expression. "Schweissblut"= Sweat,blood. In the States our expression " he's sweating blood" Is stating he's working extremely hard.I'm not sure how in the Talmud it works in this context , perhaps it is just to paint a picture of just how afraid and anxious he was. Salome, Steve M. | ||
Michael Horn |
With the increasing intensity of hostilities in Israel the events in this chapter, that seem to be leading to a nuclear attack on Jeruselam, appear to be coming closer. Any comments or suggestions? | ||
Savio |
Hi Michael I just returned from Beijing. I stayed for 6 days. I obtained a rather different view on the City and People then those projected by the US news. I notice that life at Beijing is just the same as those in many major cities around world. Peoples are friendly, busy in working, shopping, sight seeing etc just as other famous cities in the world. Business are blooming, shopping power of the Beijing people is pretty good, traffic jam is daily norm and there is no sign of any political campaign and/or struggle. There is no perfect system in this world, but I believe that the Chinese are peace loving people; they will not be the first one to launch nuclear weapon and/or starting a new world war. Anyhow, there was prophecy that a new world war will begin in the East; I wonder which country it will be. Any comments? Regards Savio | ||
Wolf-Dieter |
Hi Michael, I really don´t believe that. To my opinion the prophecies told us, that Israel would be on center for nuclear attacks and a reason for armed coflicts between the super powers Soviet Union China and Russia during the cold war around the eigthies or nineties of the 20 th century. Fortunately the worlds political situation changed drastically into good, thanks to Michael Gorbatschow, so that actully there is no nuclear conflict to come. I don´t believe that nor the US neither Russia or China or Europe in any way is interested to get involved in any conflict into the Israel Arabinan area. I believe that Inrael itself is the real problem and unfortunately there will be a lot of blooshed and guerilla fight, suicide attacs and so on until both sides are sick of it all. Other nations, especially the USA have to put polictical an economic pressure on the conflict partners, resp. Israel, but I can´t see any coflict potential between the former super power states. As long as hardliner Sharon is in government there won´t be any changes for good. There is a note in the contact notes that the coflict between Israel and it´s neighbours will go on for another long period of time. regards Wolf-Dieter | ||
Wolf-Dieter |
Hi Michael and Savi we should always keep in mind, that prophecies are just warnings but never definite forecasts. So it´s alway us that keeps the world from entering into desaster and devastation. It´s also true, that there are prophecies for the upcoming future, that there will be the danger of the use oof nuclear and chmical weapons and a 3 rd and 4 th world war. It´s likely that the reason for worldwide wars is a lack of natural resources like Oil, Energy, Water if we keep on wasting these resources like President Bush wants the US economy to do. So the real source for worldwide wars in the future will be fights between the nation for the distribution of these resources. | ||
Michael Horn |
Hi Savio, I appreciate your perspective as I haven't been to China and I also believe that, like most peoples of the world, they don't want war, just the opportunity to live their lives. It's usually the rulers, even elected officials, who set the crazy stuff in motion. Of course we, the non-rulers, have the responsibility to wake up to the right way of living and chose representatives who reflect that. Michael | ||
Savio |
Hi Michael I fully agree with your comment. If peoples of this world appreciate and observe what is in the TJ, I think we all can live in peace Regards Savio | ||
Michael Horn |
Hi Wolf-Dieter, Yes, I think what you said about the past events is accurate, though I wouldn't write off the possibility of China eventually starting a new world war. The way they treat their own people should be a clear enough warning as to how they would regard others. I believe, though, that Jmmanuel made it pretty clear that certain events would befall Israel, especially if it didn't straighten out the injustices of the past, which it certainly doesn't appear that they are doing. The way he describes the weaponry leads me to believe that nuclear and/or biological attacks of that nature are the kinds of things which could easily come from Iraq or another nation which has access to these things as well. I would really like to know if the Plejarans and/or Billy feel that these prophecies have been altered or suspended. For what it's worth, there is a "psychic" on the web at www.sollogg.com that has also predicted a nuclear attack on Israel, he seems to have a pretty accurate track record. By the way, I don't want to get into a bunch of doom and gloom stuff, it just seems like these things are being fulfilled every time I read about the troubles in Israel. I would like to bring more attention to the TJ to more people and help get us out of the religious delusions. Regards, Michael | ||
Michael Horn |
Hi Wolf-Dieter, True indeed, here in California the water issue is also controlled by greedy powers who focus on how to create even higher costs for water. We are really a strange species that continues to seek power over others instead of ourselves. Michael | ||
Savio |
Hi Wolf & Michael I am eager to see the invention of free energy as was written in contact 251, that might solve a number of resource problems. Well, human will then fight against each other for something else, like religion, point of view, power.... Let us start looking for peace within ourselves. Regards Savio | ||
Michael Horn |
Savio, Exactly! Michael | ||
Michael Horn |
I did a search on Google.com for "origins of Israel" and came up with this site among others: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a398f23330d46.htm It appears to be politically conservative and not a hate site and is extremely informative about the origins of the conflict in the region. It also appears to confirm what Jmmanuel was saying in the TJ about the "rightful owners" of the land being the ancestors of the Palestinians and the unrelenting lack of peace that Israel will face unless and until this is rectified. I will post this in a few appropriate places that it may be seen by all. Michael | ||
Mark Campbell |
Greeting all eyes ; I would be interested to know what happened to the other 6 spirit forms in that group .... Wasn't there something early in the forum about Nokodemjon's incarnation into a baby who traveled with his parents to Earth, died and was reincarnated into another baby who was Henok ? I may have heard that from someone in a conversation , actually . Anyone heard that ... eh,Andrew ? | ||
Ardie Fox |
Hi Mark, I heard that too, but don't remember where. I don't remember that he necessarily traveled here with his parents, but that Nokodemjon's spirit form did come here in the body of a child. I had the impression that the child died soon after arriving and wondered exactly how it died. Was he allowed to die or was he ill? Ardie | ||
Scott B. |
Hello Ardie and Mark I may know where you heard some of these ideas. I know much has been said about Randolph Winters and his credibility with regards to the Mission. In 1994 Randolph Winters published a book entitled "The Pleiadian Mission." In the first chapter entitled "A Prophet comes to Earth" page 3 he cites the following information: In order to get the old spirit to Earth, it was necessary to move it into a material body for the trip (From Lahson). The Pleiadians had brought with them a small child, who had been born especially for this Mission, to serve as host for the old spirit's journey. Since material bodies can be inhabited by more than one spirit at a time, it was easy for the highly advanced, old spirit to move itself into the Pleiadian child and once again feel the sensation of interacting with the world through physical means......Once on earth the old spirit removed itself from the child and prepared itself for its first incarnation into a material life. The small Pleiadian child passed over to the other side, or heaven as we call it, so its spirit-form could then incarnate into life on Earth. The wise old spirit was also on the other side and prepared for its mission on Earth. Please understand I cannot vouch for the accuracy of this information, but I thought it may be a possible answer to your question. Salome Scott B. It has since been revealed through Billy that he "flew" to earth to begin his mission (2006) | ||
Mark Campbell |
Thanks Scott , that's where I read it .I wonder if anyone can verify that this part was true ? I will include my email below if anyone wants to contact me privately .I know that some degree of the information in his book is inaccurate , and in some case opposite of the real facts . Salome , Mark | ||
Lonnie Morton |
Hi Mark, If what Scott brought out from Winters book is accurate, then along with what happened to the 6 other spirits in that group, another interesting question would be: What happened to the spirit form in that boy who brought the old spirit to Earth? If the boy died here and his spirit form was incarnated on Earth, could it be someone who is associated with Billy and the mission today? Salome, Lonnie | ||
Scott B. |
Hi Lonnie Good questions!! Salome Scott | ||
Mark Campbell |
Hi Lonnie ; The spirit of the little boy might have picked up something along the way , eh ? Mark | ||
Jani Johannes Metso |
Hello, I thought there were no Plejaran reincarnations living on this planet? Jani | ||
Mark Campbell |
Hi Jani ; They can reincarnate on this planet if they died here . If an earth human died on Erra , he would be reborn on that planet as one of them . Salome , Mark | ||
Jani Johannes Metso |
Hi Mark, Yes, that is true; but I remember reading that no Plejaran reincarnations (ie. Earth people having a spirit form that once inhabited a Plejaran human being)exists on this planet. As we know, for example, the 144 207 extraterrestrials that came here were not from the Plejares. Maybe this is going a little off-topic? | ||
Mark Campbell |
Right , Jani . They were Lyrian . | ||
Steve M. |
Regarding ancient Plejarans on Earth - Jean Pierre pasted some very cool info about Pelegon/Arus from Wendell Stevens book -posted on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 03:16 am search keyword "Pelegon" for more info. Are we really sure in our distant past no Plejarans died on Earth to reincarnate ? Salome, Steve | ||
Jim Deardorff |
Finally, a breakthrough on the "meramie" problem of TJ 24:28! An e-mail friend (Jose Barreto) in , who is in the process of translating the TJ into Portugese, became interested in the problem. It turns out that Meramie is the German transliteration of the Arabaic word "Marammiya." It is a shrub that grows in the eastern Mediterranean area, and likes sunny, rocky hillsides as its habitat. Its latin name is "salvia fruticosa," and under this name a lot of entries can be found on the search engines. In English it is known as Greek sage or as "Three-lobed sage." It is medicinal and also a tea (Faskomilo tea) used in Greece quite a lot. The basic information came from a colleague of Prof. Avi Shmida, Israel Plant Information Center, Hebrew University, Jerusalem. Its medicinal uses include: the treatment of digestive and respiratory complaints, menstrual and infertility problems, high blood pressure, depression and nervousness. So, its seeds were quite worthy of tithing, along with mint, dill and caraway. So what Billy had informed me via Bruni and others was correct. It's both a tea and a medicinal herb, and a Greek tea, and it likes to grow on sunny, rocky dry hillsides, where Billy reported one such plant was growing next to the tomb site where the TJ was discovered. I suppose that the writer of Matthew did not know the plant by its Arabic name, as given in the TJ, and so omitted it from the Gospel of Matthew. Its name in Hebrew is considerably different: "Marva Meshuleshet." My congratulations to Jose Barreto for his diligence and persistence in finally digging up the scientific references to this herb. | ||
Savio |
Hi Jim Your information regarding the "meramie" is really great It is nice to confirm that Billy was right in explaining the details within the TJ. Thank you Regards Savio | ||
Jose Barreto Silva |
MERAMIE=SALVIA FRUTICOSA=Marva Meshuleshet=Marammiye=Marmariya=Meramehin ALL AND THE SAME PLANT/SHRUB!!! This Sage is a dwarf shrub growing up to a meter high. The branches are long, hairy and covered with felt-like leaves. The leaves are bright green and are accompanied by two lobes each. This structure is the source of the Hebrew name for Salvia fruticosa Mill- the "Threefold Sage ". The plant flowers from March to June with pink purple flowers. All of the plant parts have a strong and pleasant aroma. The plant grows near by the Mediterranean maquis or in parts of it with plenty of light, it is collected throughout the year. Sources and Folklore - The hebrew name for Sage is "Marvah". The origin of this name is probably in Syria where it was called "Maroa". A. Hareoveni names the Sages Moria and B. Tschzick claims the Sage is Mentioned in the ancient Jewish Literature as a drug named "Meramehin" whose purpose is to open the airway SEE NICE PHOTO HERE: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Bath/6482/english/plants/salvia.jpg OR SEE MORE NICE PHOTOS HERE: http://www.mountainvalleygrowers.com/salfruiticosa.htm For More COMPLETE INFO ON MERAMIE CHECK IN HERE: http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/find_lat?LAT=Salvia+fruticosa José Barreto Silva | ||
Jose Barreto Silva |
MERAMIE=SALVIA FRUTICOSA This is the correct link to more scientific info on MERAMIE OR SALVIA FRUTICOSA NOTE: FRUTICOSA=SHRUBBY IT IS WORTH TO PAY A VISIT: http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Salvia+fruticosa José Barreto Silva | ||
barreto |
PICTURE OF MERAMIE This is a picture of MERAMIE OR SALVIA FRUTICOSA:  Which is not an OBSCURE plant ANYMORE!!! José Barreto Silva | ||
Anonymous |
Hello all I would like to know the position of Billy and Figu on the use and benefits of the plant "Cannabis Sativa" and if the Plejarens ever mentioned anything about Cannabis to Billy in his contacts | ||
Lonnie Morton |
Dear Moderator: Would you please put these posts in the appropriate section. Dear Anonymous, The FIGU strictly opposes ANY abuse of legal and illegal drugs and alcohol. Legal drugs are those drugs and medicines prescibed by doctors the abuse of which can be harmful and even deadly. Illegal drugs may include alternative drugs in the experimental stage which may or may not be helpful medicinally, or may be illegal because of the monopoly of the greedy drug companies. Alcohol is generally accepted as OK in moderation. But even moderate use can be harmful to some. This should be respected. Cannabis Sativa is an illegal drug in most parts of the world commonly known as marijuana. Overwelming evidence and clinical studies have shown that smoking marijuana can ruin mental health and soundness of mind, thus adversely effecting the consciousness. If one is curious about such drugs just observe drug abusers of any age. Do they seem alert and sharp? Or are they dull and inattentive, at times even unaware of what is going on around them? There has been much ado over claims that marijuana may have theraputic value in treating glaucoma and asthma and in easing nausea that cancer patients experience during chemotherapy. A U.S. Institute of medicine report acknowledged that there is some truth to these claims. But, does mean that in the near future doctors will be prescribing marijuana cigarettes? Not likely, for while some of marijuana's over 400 chemical compounds may prove useful, smoking marijuana would hardly be the logical way to take such medicines. "Using marijuana," says noted authority Dr. Carlton Turner," would be like giving people molded bread to eat to get penicillin." So if any marijuana compounds ever became bona fide medicines, it will be marijuana "derivatives or analogues," chemical compounds similar to them, that doctors will prescribe. No wonder, then, that U.S. Sectetary of Health and Human Services wrote: "It should be emphasized that possible therapeutic benefits in no way modify the significance of the negative health effects of marijuana." Enough said! Regards, Lonnie Morton | ||
Jim Deardorff |
Regarding meramie (TJ 24:28) again, I'd like to revise one item I had speculated on in my previous post here. I now think it's more probable that the guy who wrote Matthew omitted "meramie," when he converted the TJ into Matthew, because it was the one item in the list that was used mainly for therapeutic value. The others, mint, dill and caraway, are used mainly just for flavoring. The writer of Matthew omitted TJ 6:26, regarding fasting for our health, and he altered TJ 6:36-39 such as to urge NOT taking care of the body (His attitude seemed to be: Let God take care of you.) So this would fit in with that attitude -- don't take matters into your own hands in trying to take care of your body -- don't use meramie, so don't mention it. And many thanks again to Jose for his research on this!! | ||
JAY |
Greetings Jim, So accurate this is on the issue of letting this so called GOD take care of us. This statement in itself has made man's thinking very dependent on some Light angelic GOD in the heavens, such unfortunate turn of events we have. My questions to you is how will it be possible to get the people of the earth to understand the REAL teachings of the TALMUD and how can we make the people see it is a very accurate account of what the turn of events in Jmmanuel's life were?? It has been almost like an unfortunate event for both Rashid and Meier in which the actual facts of the scrolls were destroyed. Faith alone will not help us much in this new millenium society where everything must be seen and felt. I guess the best thing we can do is hope for the best the turn around of religion to another way of life in our society and the belief of these truths announced by our cosmic brothers come true to light. How the people of the world will see religions to be a big waste of human life and spirit. I am truly a strong believer and honest follower of the true to light teachings and history of the TALMUD . The PLEJARAN ancestry, UFO connection through 5 decades of media consiousness, should prove the TALMUD to be fact and not made up information by Meier and Rashid not to mention the life time work of Zecharia Sitchin. BE WELL Jim | ||
Jim Deardorff |
I second your thoughts, Jay. I really don't see how we can cause people to become aware of the TJ's genuineness, since the original scrolls were destroyed, and scholars will therefore have nothing to do with the translation for that reason as well as because of its heresies and its UFO-like material. It may require that the genuineness of Meier's experiences become known first, and that will take some doing! Or it may require one or more discoveries or disclosures by New Testament scholars, such as the fact that the man's name had been Immanuel. On the other hand, I cannot conceive of the TJ scrolls having survived to the point of being made public. Suppose they hadn't been destroyed in 1974. If Rashid had attempted to make them public, they would immediately have been siezed as Israeli property that had been stolen from their land, no longer Jordanian. So they couldn't be made public and survive, as I see it. | ||
Norm |
I wonder if any other scrolls are out there waiting to be found, maybe Billy knows? | ||
JAY |
Greetings Jim, My strongest suggestion at this time would be to gather scholars like that of the likes of SITCHIN and Meier with the permission or suggestions of PTAAH and the PLEJARAN group members to see if Sitchins information according to his translations of the Sumerian ancient tablets have some parallels into the TALMUD information to bring about the reality of our Extraterrestrial influences. How they (MEIER/Sumerian texts) can strenghten the reality of both the actual physical facts of Meier experiences and that of ancient tablets which exist still today. The UFO cases in the 5 decades or more can be put to some use in finding and getting the populace to understand that there is no Hoax in the Meier material and the TALMUD. As a whole Jim, I believe all humans on earth now will not be awaken too easily into the teachings and the reality if UFO/TALMUD/RELIGIOUS connections and how we can make the poeple think and see for themselves how strongly the TALMUD will change our reality. How the Prophets through all the lineages had some connection to the "ANGELIC" visitors who influenced them to make changes for the sake of advancement. Do you feel that there is something we all can do as passive members here in FIGU to bring the TALMUD to the forefront for drastic change Jim ?? | ||
Jim Deardorff |
Hi Jay, I don't know what more we can do than what we are already doing -- making the TJ, and Meier's experiences, known to those who can accept it, via the Internet and books. And otherwise spreading the word through friends and acquaintances and such. I doubt that Sitchin would be interested in the TJ; we have been together at a couple of conferences, and he hasn't shown any interest. He feels he has the staight poop, so to speak, and so do we. The two views may intersect here and there, but mostly there are differences, I think. | ||
Norm |
I only read Sitchin's first book, and I can't read Sitchin anymore, I just feel like there's to much Myth in his books. | ||
JAY |
Hi Jim, I do think from reading all Sitchin's books that he has alot to offer and it may need some good humble understanding in regards to both parties (Meier, Yourself & Sitchin), it would be of great value to all of us in the long run and it would definitely strenghthen the cause. Sitchin is looking at it only through the Eyes of the Sumerians and the Ancient ANNUNAQI as they were eloquently known at the time, he may need to just have an open and flexible mind to really sit down and work this out to bring the parallels together. I also believe the Sitchin information should be brought to the attention of the PLEJARAN groups (PTAAH/SEMJASE) for a definite conclusion, I believe in my feelings about this is the PLEJARANS may have some strong insight into the ANUNNAQI connections from the standpoint in years as that being 400,000 yrs ago. The PLEJARANS may have this on record somewhere in their history storage or they may know about the Sumerian tablets just like they knew about the Scrolls of The TALMUD. If the PLEJARANS have Engineers and linguists who have records of languages that date back to millions of years it should be easy for them to tell us about the Sumerian tablets and its facts for extraterrestrial lineages. Sitchin made it clear through his translations the Sumerians were not in the sense making lore of this or Myth, I do think he has strong evidence in our ET lineage. BE WELL Jim | ||
Michael |
Hi, When I was just in Switzerland I met with Christian and briefly asked him about the Sitchin material. He said that when he had asked Billy about it Billy had said that there were many inaccuracies due to Sitchin having interjected many of his own imaginings, for lack of a better term, into his interpretations of the Sumerian material. That the Sumerians were an advanced race influenced by ETs was not in question. Michael | ||
JAY |
Yes Micheal, I agree with you on this issue. I do believe if I may add that Sitchin has influenced some of the interjecting writting to the Ancient Sumerian Scriptures but to say the least the ANUNNAQI (as they were called) have been part of earth history for some time. When I study & read all these things reflecting on what the knowledge and experience of these scholars are, I usually keep open for any parallels behind all the different historical references. Sitchins work will serve more for applying the facts that the PLEJARAN Mission or other ET races have been part of this world for many millions of years. By far, THE PLEJARAN MISSION and its historical references have total acuracy in our human lifetime and perspective. My question to PTAAH & Meier would be if the so called ANUNANQI did exist according to the name or race of beings or was this name translated as such in Sumerian writtings. Maybe I will post this question to Meier in the next round of questions. BE WELL Micheal | ||
Michael |
Hi Jay, I'm looking forward to hearing what FIGU has to say about this too, thanks. Michael | ||
Lonnie Morton |
Hi Jay and Michael, I think that WE were the ANUNNAQI that Sitchin mentioned in his writings. Lonnie | ||
Inger Wikstrom |
Hello all, Which are the three human races that Jmmanuel is speaking about in verse 36? Does anyone have more specific information about this? Regards, Inger | ||
James the truthseeker |
Answer: I seem to recal it being the Arabs, Jews and Caucasians. Peace, James TT. | ||
Scott B. |
Hello Inger, Which chapter in the Talmud are you referring to? Thanks Scott Baxter | ||
Norm |
James, I have never been able to find out which three races they are, but the Plejarens told Billy the Jews aren't a race, they are a grouping of different peoples. | ||
Edward |
Hi Norm and All... I would Surely agree with what Norm posted. The Jews were Groeps of "Nomads" Before they ever 'Got Into To' any sort of Faith or Religion. So they were "Nomads" before they ever called themselves 'Jews(Zion-Hebreuw-Israeli)'....etc... as that becoming their Faith or Religion(what ever One may want to call it). Edward. | ||
Norm |
Remember there were slaves from different races also in the mix from Egyptian conquered territory. Then we have the Khazar converted Russian Jews added to the mix even more. As documented in the books the Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler and The Jews of Khazaria by Kevin Alan Brook | ||
Dee Hanson |
Hi, I don't know in which three groups of people you are interested. In Randy Winters book 'The Pleiadian Mission on page 51 he has the three groups left after ArusII was murdered by his son,Jehoven and the asteroid hit the Earth driving everyone underground to survive. They were the descendants of the Armus people who lived in the area know as Armenia, the scattered tribes of Persia, India and Pakistan called the Aryans and a world wide spread of gypsies called Hebrews or in the Pleiadian language, Hebrons. | ||
Shannon |
Perhaps it was a mix of Nubian, Arab, and Caucasians in the Jewish tribe. | ||
Jim Deardorff |
Hello Forum, Regarding TJ 28:48, what do you think about the word "Creation" occurring there in the 2001 edition? The sentence was spoken by a couple Jewish councilmen, and as far as we know, they referred to their God, among other titles, as the "Creator" but not as "Creation" or "the Creation." Yet, they were supposedly restating what Jmmanuel had said, and Jmmanuel spoke of it as "Creation." But would they not instead have called it the "Creator" when speaking to Caiaphas? As an indication of the uncertainty here, the 1992 TJ has it "Creator," although in all cases the German text has it "die Schoepfung." Regards, Jim | ||
Lonnie Morton |
Hi Jim, Even though the Jewish councilmen may have referred to their god, among other titles, as "the creator," they were supposedly relating what Jmmanuel spoke of, and "highlighted" during his ministry which was considered heretical to them. It seems to me that it is possible they may have used the word creator in some of their conversations. But in this setting, Jmmanuel was on trial before the High Council with the Chief Priests and councilmen all trying to bring up false charges against him. So the evidence would have to be prevented which they stated: "He has said that god is not CREATION, but simply a man like you and me." Or, they could have said: "He has said that god is not the CREATOR, but simply a man like you and me." If the German word is the same, then it is a matter of translation. If this was brought to Billy's attention and Billy said "Creation" and was sure, then I see no reason to dispute this. However, I don't know if it was Billy's decsion to change this word. Possibly, only by having accurate written records would anyone know for sure, unless you were actually there. Regards, Lonnie | ||
Jim Deardorff |
Hi Lonnie, "Creator" makes a bit more sense to me, as I doubt that the two councilmen would have tried to be careful to quote Jmmanuel accurately, considering that they couldn't stand what he had to say. Perhaps another consideration is that Jmmanuel no doubt was dictating this to Judas as Judas wrote it down, years later. And so Jmmanuel perhaps then naturally spoke of it in a way that would correctly represent what he had said, rather than what the two councilmen had said he said. Regards, Jim | ||
Lonnie Morton |
Hi Jim, Yes, I see your point. It is possible the councilmen may have used the word creator. And, if Jmmanuel said to Judas "Creation" instead of "creator" he may have been only trying to convey one of the reasons they brought false charges against him so future readers could understand and perhaps see the overall picture more clearly. But, if "creator" is more correct then why was it changed to "Creation" in the newer edition of the TJ? And, was this Billy's decision? It seems to me that in order to get the most from an important ancient document like this, the translation must not be altered, unless this has something to do with the "code." Regards, Lonnie | ||
Jim Deardorff |
Hi Lonnie, The change from Creator to Creation occurred from the 1992 English edition to the 1996 English edition. This was no doubt due to the German word involved being "Creation" (die Schoepfung) rather than "the Creator" (der Schoepfer) -- it has never changed since the 1978 TJ came out. Yet, as we have discussed, good arguments can be made either way. Regards, Jim | ||
chrisrowley |
I have heard that persons engaged in first-person combat or bombardment may sweat blood. |
