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    Joel Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 06-2006 |
As I research the Billy Meier contacts, I am starting to notice lack of convenience for the past twenty five years...I bet billy does not have contacts anymore...but has had them in the mid-late 70s. It was probably the pleiadians fault, meaning they could not work with billy's family and friends because their appreciation and understanding is limited to a scientific approach, which allows them to believe they understand the human mind, however it is not true...it overcrowds it. Poor figu members, wanted everyone to be aware and to top it off, financial problems made them scared of the future...now they live a lie and exploit the truth...no better than anyone else. I dont know, do you believe your lies of the past few decades. I also believe semjase never had that injury and that she still is aware of the mistakes made. Sucks that the mission couldnt be performed, however most people will deny for they want to believe...anyways people grow a conscious over there... | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 491 Registered: 06-2000 |
Joel , I think you just won the prize for over-all creepiness . You are also obviously an ambiguous troublemaker who demands much attention for nefarious reasons . Your comments are not well thought out , and pointless , which leads me to recognize that you act from someone else's directive . Mark Campbell | ||
Joel Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 06-2006 |
Dear Mark, Your belief in the "mission" is comparable to a Christian believing in the trinity. I imagine you put no serious thought in your life and surrounding environment...you just want someone to believe in. You should probably take a look at your comments and notice you do not argue or prove me wrong, you just let everyone notice your heart within your opinion, same with me and my post. Why am I looking for attention anyways? Why would I care what a mysterious name out in cyberspace thinks about about myself? The truth is the big what is! What is your mind creating right now as you read this post? I don't know, but it is the truth inside reality, happening right now! You are probably, and I say most likely, wrapping arguments instantly instead of thinking of myself as a female! Thats the truth to me! or is it? what is going on when you read Ptaah and billy talking about unimportant things and never explaining spirituality and how everyone else are charlatans, deceivers, and egomaniacs. Duh! its not happening anymore, its just the figu members and billy (attaching his name) pretending its still is happening. Or it is probably not happening anymore!...I dont know the truth behind this case...all I know is that figu is only defending themselves and not revealing anything to help with my spirituality or allowing me to learn the true stories behind Jmmanuel and the such. I do however applaud the figu members for allowing me to express my opinion openly. They are not worried the trouble they are causing to people like you inside your life. How inside yourself, your life is completely different now that you have billy in it. They dont worry about you! And I wonder if you have a relationship with your spirit form? probably not, your the same as others always acting as if you have wisdom, when the truth is that your no different from George Bush, just living off others and pretending to have answers. But don't consider me! After all I am working for "someone else's directive" What a joke, you that is! Your the joke Mark Campbell, because now I am your enemy and I say this; I dont have to be your enemy, its just your foolish and wishful thinking converting me , a real person, into a dumb animal. It sucks how people do this to one and another, it sucks that you do not appreciate this, questioning this case. With no contemplation there will be no wisdom found and definitely no truth. The truth is that you will probably believe in billy's "current contacts" until the day you die, at least your spirit form will live on and eventually find out the truth in the future, but you, the biological being that you are, will cease to exist, never living in the truth. Sucks to be you! Wait! now I am being immature. Well I hope you consider my argument and maybe people like you and me and contemplate this "mission" and find some truths about it. I picture you overweight, Joel } | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 756 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Markc, Joel evinces the classic constellation of symptoms of acute randywintersitis, in which the sufferer experiences a marked sociopathy combined with a perverse psychosexual desire for public humiliation. Please refer: www.gaiaguys.net/randywinters.htm Although many sufferers inherit this sort of disorder from one or both parents, it can also be contracted in childhood or the adult years, and – quite against their will - many innocent victims have it deliberately induced by the, “apparatuses through which brainwashing and the programming and altering of consciousness is evoked in humans” as referred to by Ptaah exactly twelve weeks ago. www.gaiaguys.net/meiersb34.htm Tragically, science has yet to discover a cure for this often grave (and all too widespread) affliction, and the best palliative care available is to make the patient as comfortable as possible in a situation far from those with weakened immune systems who are susceptible to contagion … like on some other forum. There are quite a few which would be very suitable. If this is not practicable, the sufferer in our midst should at least be strictly quarantined in the “Skeptics Corner” which I notice remains securely locked. Salome, Dyson Dyson, I opened the doors to the skeptics cage, lets hope the tiger does not escape  Scott | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1129 Registered: 02-2000 |
Joel, Your listening to old false data from Randy Winters. I think you need to get updated! My Website | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 209 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear friends... Imagine someone vastly intelligent teaching us about getting along... The Plejaren are millions of years evolved and we can: learn from them... or NOT. Rather than bicker about the center of the Universe lets just try and get along. Imagine never having a war for almost fifty thousand years... | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 757 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Scott, Thank you very much for re-opening this thread. I hope you can either delete the future contributions which display an underhanded (or overt) antagonism to the re-newed teachings or redirect them here where they belong. Me having to deal with people on this forum who seems bent on “misunderstanding” and on sly disruption is not always very constructive and takes my time away from more translations, which would be far more useful for people. Salome, Dyson | ||
Andyr Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 03-2007 |
Just an opinion, but who is to judge the real intentions of the people posting in the "Skeptics Corner"? Shouldn't these people be allowed to say what they may (as long as they stay within the forum guidelines) and try to work out their understanding with those who wish to post opposing or clarifying views? Shouldn't they also have to live by their words (and not have them erased)? But of course nobody needs to respond to them. After all, it is the skeptics corner. By their words they shall be known. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 493 Registered: 06-2000 |
Dear Dyson ; That's one creepy guy there ! Kind Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 558 Registered: 07-2005 |
Well we've had several of these satellites go past from time to time here and when you send a message to it, it keeps bouncing back. Oh well, I guess thats what satellites do, its never grounded in anything solid and its always up in the air about something. The good thing is that once they are out of sight, they are out of mind. cheers Matt | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 06-2007 |
I don't believe that creation is love. 1. In the nature the weak is exterminated. The man that is not aggressive or is weak is revile, has not right to the women and has not right to procreate. (this idea is taken from the question's thread done to billy) The nature in reality is something abstract, has not love, nor feeling and has nothing. The nature is simple a natural machine that creates living things. | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 06-2007 |
I can't edit my las post so I will add a new post. The nature is only compassionate with those who are powerful and with the abusive ones. And that seem in the animal kingdom, from the insects and even to the humans societies. Is this love? The common sence tells me that not. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 282 Registered: 04-2006 |
In nature, the weak is not exterminated.The weak are expelled from the community, but not killed (at least between individuals of the same species). Yes, in life you have to fight to get what you want, that is a universal obligation, and if you want women you need to fight for them. Do not think of creation or nature as a overprotecting mother.That's christian BS.Nature gives equal chances of survival to all species without any doubt.Where do you draw the conclusion that nature/creation gives privileges? By your logic, the dinosaurs extermination was only creation's whim.(And dinosaurs were abusive/extremely aggresive creatures).But they were taller than 50 cm and that caused their extinction while tiny "ugly" species like mice and cockroaches made their way to the modern world. Saludos/regards. | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 03-2007 |
Yes but what is Love as intended in spirit teaching? It is not be comapssionate or have feelings of pity or sorrow for a being, it is a life power, a strive power which push all things and all creatures to produce and progress and to do that you have to become stronger and stronger and smarter and smarter (but not "aggressive"; animals and humans who are too aggressive are immediatly isolated or exterminated both in nature and in technologic towns) An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 06-2007 |
Hector: With that affirmation you support that one must kill the "fellow man" that is a treat for one to progress in the society. I'm totally agree with that affirmation. To kill the abusive one to have a future in this society is a good thing. For example, to kill degenerated criminals is a good thing to progress in this society. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 283 Registered: 04-2006 |
No i'll never support animals and humans to be killed if self defense is not the reason to do it.I hate bullfighting.The degenerate /unsuited ones are/must be expelled, sent to exile, but never killed!! The plejaren do that.Send criminals to lonely planets.But they do not kill.(in degeneration) Any murder is a crime.Justice under democracy is based on the precept that any punishment cannot be more severe than the commited crime. By killing a criminal you are just postponing the possibility to acknowledge his errors, so he will repeat them in the future.Not a good business. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 274 Registered: 08-2004 |
Nature is life and nature is death. All that lives in nature will eventually die or be exterminated -- you, I, and everyone on the planet. It is not reserved for the weak; it is the destiny of all. That is the way it is, because nature is mortal. Within this nature and life you can find love and you can find evil. Creation allows all; but mankind can rise above and beyond evil. It is thus mankind that can put an end to evil. When mankind rises above evil it reaches closer to Creation. Each individual may experience and thus define "life" differently. For Billy and most it is a very hard struggle to progress and improve things. For others it may more closely represent challenges that need to be met, goals that need to be reached. How much of a struggle that is may depend on the person's definition and their life’s work. Bill Gates, for example, may not have struggled or fought intensely but he had to work very hard and apply himself to immense challenges. I have never fought over a woman, nor will I ever. I am very happily married, and never fought for my wife. But there are always challenges; not to become too self-centered or self-absorbed placing too much importance in ones own opinions, and not too self-deprecating or self-acquiescing to the other. Our (mine and my wife’s) marriage and happiness depends on our concern, care and interest in the other. It depends on positives, not fighting. It has always been my philosophy that if you fight to get a woman for a wife you'll be fighting all your life. That's not the life I wanted nor the one I chose or inherited. One can choose a path of care, appreciation, love and gratitude, which leads to happiness. One tends to find what one looks for and searches for. The choice is always there for the individual. Regards. | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 127 Registered: 03-2003 |
As I understand it, in Islamic teachings according to the prophet Muhammed (hadith), to kill another human being robs that person of their future and the possibility of realizing their mistakes and developing understanding and wisdom. In this sense Incredible's statement that "to kill the abusive one to have a future in this society is a good thing" is degenerate, criminal and the truly abusive. As we humans on Earth are still collectively not much more than savages (deluding ourselves as being "civilized"), with so much more to learn in order to be fully human, I think such expressions are a step backwards in our evolution and are dangerously stupid. I think that such thinking is no different from the thinking of fanatical extremists, religious or secular, be they so-called Muslims, Christians, Jews, humanitarians, etc. In nature it seems to me that the abusive ones who endanger the long-term survival and communal order of the group are driven out by force, not necessarily killed (though they may sustain wounds that may lead to their death). | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 06-2007 |
My ideas are controversial but are my ideas. Hector: I don't like to kill animals, but to kill degenerate humans for me is the only way to a better world. Do you have access to a planet to banish criminals? NO!!! put your feet on the earth. If is degenerate to kill degenerated criminals and the abusive ones, more degenerate is to leave them alive. For me to kill (criminals) is a natural right that I have as a living thing, and that right was stolen by the government, the religions and the men's laws. In a society without a government the degenerated ones are killed by the good ones because the degenerated ones are always looking for problem. In a "social" system the good ones can't kill the degenerated ones, those degenerated ones have children and those children tend to be like their parents. So the descendence of evil grow and spread through the planet. Do you see the mechanics of the situation? | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 265 Registered: 03-2003 |
Why not just ship off all degenerate criminals from every country to the Kerguelen Islands and then just leave them there where they can not harm anyone anymore, because they will have to put forth quite the effort if they wish to survive living there. | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 06-2007 |
truthseeker: And separate them by sex one island for women only and the other island for men only. Remember that if they have children they will overpopulate the islands, and those children will be the enemies of the civilization. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 267 Registered: 03-2003 |
Of course this can done for I'm sure there is more then one Island there, or you can always just sterilize them. | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Incredible, Have you read the article "Torture and the Death Penalty" by Billy? http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/TortureandDeathPenalty/tabid/106/Default.aspx Regards Adam | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 06-2007 |
For thruthseeker: Sterilization is good too. For adam: When somebody done something seriously evil to me, for me is impossible to forgive him. Lets us give this example: Would you forgive a man that rape and kill your daughter?...If you are a normal person NO...That would be impossible for you!!! | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1225 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, These conversations are going all over the place. The intent of this section is concerning the validity of the Billy Meier Case. Please get back on topic, or this section will be closed again. Scott-Moderator | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 06-2007 |
The people here say that we all connected, that all the people of this planet are connected between them. frankly I don't see the connection between us. We don't have telepathy, we have nothing!!! Maybe I would be more connected with an alien than with an earth man because at least he will know my thinking. Today there is not connection between us the earth peoples. "we born to die and we die to born" | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 826 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi there Incredible.... YOU as well as ALL of us: ARE truly Connected! WE are all a SPARK of CREATION, and WE are all WITHIN CREATION, and thus, WE ARE CREATION, and thus....WE ARE CONNECTED! Even though, you may be far away from me, WE ARE STILL CONNECTED! In the sense, that we both, are within Creation, and thus we both are connected to each other...as well as with CREATION. And idem dito, with other individuals! Of course, WE are Spiritually Connected. In the sense that WE are within the Spirit of Creation. And thus ONE with Creation, and as a ONENESS UNITY. There are other human beings, lets say...from extraterrestrial origin, whom...I must say, are much higher evolved and developed then we...whom do have the talent of 'telepathy', and thus...they can exchange telepathic transmission with each other, and naturally even with YOU....if they wanted to. But, alas, we/you are still too low evolved and developed to bring this type of telepathy into practice. So, as you can see: WE are Connected in a variety of ways: it be Connected within Creation, itself, or Connected with Creation SPIRITUALLY(being a Spiritual SPARK of Creation), or even through Telepathy, and go so on! WE ARE ALWAYS CONNECTED with each other. WE are from ONE UR SOURCE...and that IS CREATION! The just mentioned is just a fraction of US....being Connected. Thus, EVERY Individual....within Creation IS CONNECTED! Each individual Spark of Creation is Unique and still and will always be Connected for ALL TIMES to come. We are ALL Connected...to work and evolve to Perfection, just as Creation. We are ONE FAMILY...within Creation! WE ARE CREATION! The more you Study Billy's materials....the more you will understand, Incredible. Just take your time...and you may once Comprehend...this knowledge? "Rome was not built in one day....." Edward. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 253 Registered: 10-2005 |
When you see Creation in all things... you're on the correct path to evolution. Sign outside Billy's door...  | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 05-2007 |
Greetings to all One of my friends wanted to post this question : How is it that the departure of Plejos to the homeworlds from Earth was not recorded anywhere (on Earth), because it is much much too recent (happened in 17 BCE), it is a very significant event (the leaving of a population), why is it not recorded? Salome ashwin PS - Is there any legend or myth to support it? | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 154 Registered: 02-2000 |
Just as it is the case today with Ptaah, Plejos wasn't travelling through the cities and villages, and he did not present himself to the people. Btw: the death of the Jewish/Christian god Jehova and his predecessors Arus and Kamagol etc. wasn't recorded either. | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 03-2007 |
I wonder why we didn't find remnants of ancient pre-historic civilizations,something like machines, plastics, broken spacechips, stone palace and so on. An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Christian and Franco This is what my friend has told me -> Francofiori, poses a good question too about the absence of machines etc, but its possible that these were removed from the Earth intentionally. But speaking of Plejos, I find it hard that his existance on Earth was similar to Ptaah coming here, because Ptaah is just a contactor, he has nothing in the politics or governing of Earth (directly), but Plejos? Well he ruled the Earth and an entier population, all in secret? That to Atlantis, Mu and even lands of Plejos and his ancestors welcomed Earth people, which shows they were not a secret. If Arus attacked people in present day Sumeria, Persia and India (as said in the notes) it would be recorded in some place perhaps not directly but some hints etc should be present. Christian says, Plejos wasn't travelling through the cities and villages, and he did not present himself to the people. He was a ruler... how is it possible that he governed in secrecy a huge land in secrecy...thats quite impossible. Regards ashwin | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 304 Registered: 08-2004 |
Any connection with the Mahabarata tales or legends of antiquity? cpl | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 155 Registered: 02-2000 |
Plejos was the leader of the Sons from space, the Hyperboreans and the emigrants from the Plejaren Systems, and just as Ptaah and his people from today, he did not interfere into the affairs of the earth-borne people. (70th contact of January 6, 1977, sentences 168ff.) | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Christian and Cpl This is what my friend said to me --> Yes Christian has said that he didn't interfere in the affairs of Earth people. But, when Arus destroyed the lands and finally many centuries later, Plejos took control and restored peace and left finally, at that time How is it possible that a kingdom (not a small one) was ruled with others not having even the slightest idea of it? And weren't Earth people also there in lands like Atlantis, why no evidence? Ashwin, There are many (didn't now go through the entier contact), but for now I have found 3 lines that say that Earth people would know of them: 1. 128. In a lightning action they fell upon the Earth, robbing, murdering, and taking possession of the land. Wouldn't such an violent act be visible to the Earth people. At least as a doubt? 2. 136. So it only remains for me to report that Arus the Eleventh, as a very distant descendent of Arus the First, was murdered in his old age many thousands of years later, and around a hundred-thousand years, after the destruction of Mu and Atlantis, by his third-born son Jehavon, after which this one took over command of the hater-people, in order to rule these and three Earthly peoples and the Hyperboreans himself. This is strong evidence that Ptaah and Salaam were not secret. 169. They (Ptaah and Salam, sons of Jehav) governed well and created peace, and only occasionally mixed in the affairs of the Earth-born Earth humans. Which shows that they were not a secret or unknown, if Ptaah and Salaam even interfered in their affairs once they would know of his existance and we would have some text on him in some form. And at the time before 17 B.C.E all lands had their kings which is recorded, where exactly did Ptaah and Salaam govern? They couldn't have done it on another king's land, if they did that another type of governance and this is not specified by the contactor to Billy Salome ashwin | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 156 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi Ashwin Sentence 128 refers to happenings of 113,000 years ago! Sentence 136 refers to happenings of after the destruction of Atlantis an Mu, nearly 11,500 years ago. There is a difference between Arus' and Kamagol's interference with terrestrial peoples (and being known to the people), and Ptaah's and Salam's position. Since I don't know where (place) Ptaah and Salam governed, I will ask Billy and see if he knows about it. I will let you know in about two weeks from now. | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 06-2007 |
sirashwin said: He was a ruler... how is it possible that he governed in secrecy a huge land in secrecy...thats quite impossible. This is the system that he used: He used the kings or the priests tu rule the peoples through them. he not ruled directly. The system is the same system that appear in the bible in the old testament. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive off her" | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 03-2007 |
I am beginning to think that all Meier stuff is only from Reptilians. He is just a slave of reptilians that decided to start another religion for global control. Meier just photographed Illuminati's UFOs. All the rest (contacts, books) is comment deleted from reptilians' minds. An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Borthwey New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 09-2007 |
Hi, I would like to say that sceptics have some convincing arguments. The result is that anyone who doesn´t want to believe in this will not be forced to believe. And actually, it's not a matter of believing. Finding validity in Billy's writings doesn't have anything to do with believing. Or it shouldn't, at least. The arguments that I am talking about are the supposed photos of dinosaurs, of the extraterrestrial women and of the "entrance gate to the DAL Universe" wich turned out to have been taken from magazines and television. That, by itself, is really dubious, regardless of the explanations given by Billy. I wanted to expose another even more apparently fraudulent fact and wich I was able to verify in the Wayback Machine (Internet archive), before it was blocked by request of the site's owner. It has to do with the Henoch profecies, wich in the FIGU website's pages before September 2001, are identical to the ones that can be seen now online or read in the "and Still They Fly" book, with the following exception: the sentence "The destruction of the WTC i.e. the World Trade Center by terrorists will only be the beggining." is missing. Since the archived pages are now blocked, does anyone have any proof of what I am saying? And, what explanation would Billy give to this? That he can only give predictions after the ocurrence of the facts? What is the point of making them, then? | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 03-2007 |
Yes. It's all a fraud organized by Illuminati. they control secret societies in all the world. the obsession of Billy for esoteric and religions leaded him to some kind of secret society (probably the same of his "friends priests" as Rashid). Then they choose him to plot this new cult. They used their Illuminati UFO to give photographic impressive material to start the cult, to support the new world order (Billy openly support it). An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 319 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey there Borthwey, i may just be stupid, but i was wondering... how do you exactly expose something that has never been hidden or kept from peoples eyes? and if something is apparent, then what exactly would you be exposing? a possibility? it is your burden to prove what you claim, would'ny you think so? hello francofiori2004, hey i'll let you in on a little secret, im not really peter brodowski, i am really a 70,000 year old space lizard who started the illuminati so that i can dress in dark clothes and keep secrets. yeah that's it, a bunch of lizards with the ability to make earth there own paradise, instead sit in the shadows, controlling humans in some big depraved soap opera. francofiori, you sound like someone who does not have much common sense. you sound angry at billy. what has he done to you? perhaps you are just a secret service puppet, or a loner who gains his or her pride and feelings of self worth through attacking other people whom (i would think) you have never met. you regurgitate nonsense that is found all over the internet. i always see you in arguments here, and you seem to make some people uneasy. why dont you just say everything you want to say and go back to H.Q.? oh yeah, my cousin, godzilla wants me to tell you that if you suck on a stone hard enough, it will turn into a pot of gold. go for it man! let me know when you reach the pot of gold. i am skeptical of francofiori's common sense. hopefully someone finds this post amusing | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 131 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Borthwey, Unfortunately, Mr. Meier and his work has been poorly studied by skeptics, many of whom it seems to me are reliant upon the published "research" of such people as Kal Korff. To carefully study something I think one should try to be as objective and as thorough as possible in one's research. If this had been the case with Korff and others, then the facts of some of the criticisms you mention would be known fully rather than be endlessly repeated like a bad joke without a punch line. For example, you mention the "entrance gate to the DAL Universe" photo. That photo was never published by Mr. Meier. The facts in that matter can be reviewed here: http://www25.brinkster.com/chancede/barrier.html As for the "extraterrestrial women" photos you mention, which admittedly is a hairier matter, a compendium of statements and facts about them can be reviewed here: http://www25.brinkster.com/chancede/askner.html The supposed "dinosaur photos" have been commented upon several times in various FIGU Bulletins and on this discussion forum. These can be found if some work is done to locate them. Anything work investigating is also worth the time and effort for that investigation. And as far as the missing sentence you refer to in the Henoch prophecies, why not ask Mr. Meier yourself as there is a section on this forum for doing just that. If any of the links I have provided are not working, feel free to contact me privately and I will send you the files as email attachments. A healthy skepticism and critical review of unusual claims (or supposed claims) is a good starting point to gaining a better understanding of anything. David Chance chancede@slu.edu | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 03-2007 |
Well, I am not ancgry against Billy , which I think is only a poor man who have been enslaved by a secret society because he had no money. Nor I am from CIA or such!! I just think his UFOs are Illuminati's UFO and that he is not the reincarnation of Jesus and Mohammad! Illuminatis often start new cults to make people crazy and enslaved. They do crop circles with secret technologies and you can see crop circles are plain Illuminati's symbols. Meier's plejarens are the same as crop circles, they used high tech UFOs to start a new crazy cult. That is why Meier's UFOs pics are genuine. But contacts and books are fake made by Illuminati through Meier. Study David Icke's books. An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 07-2007 |
Hi David, Atlantis was said to be a huge continent between Africa and South America, but if you consider the shape of eastern South America and western Africa and if you try to join them together they will fit. So where was Atlantis then? Thanks Aditya | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 05-2007 |
Greetings to all I think Franco's post was made after he saw this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7913427399497209327 which makes no sense head or tail. Salome ashwin | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 03-2007 |
Some of things that make me think Meier's case is an Illuminati deception: - Meier's claims of being same spirit as eliah,moahmmed and jesus christ (!!!what the hell, they just teached religious absurdities!) -Plejarens claim that all crop circles are fake and drawn by common people with sticks and such - Meier/Plejarens support to a Global Government and to a pyramid-structure of society. - Pyramids and pentagrams in Meier's center and in logos images - Life during interest of Meier for esoterism and various cults. - Typical illuminati/masonic view of spirit and afterlife and of Universe , as depicted by "Semjase" (levels of spirits, kabbala,numerology, astrology, reincarnation..) - Nazistic claims as "Hitler was a very intelligent person", "hitler had a mission: to unify world under germany" (who the hell gave him that fool mission??), "German is a special and superior language", "all people in the world should learn German" (??? are you crazy?? yes you are), "homosexuals must be castrated or ostracized" An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 03-2003 |
I need to make a correction to my previous post 131. Regarding the "entrance gate to the DAL Universe" photo, I was mistaken in stating that it was never published by Mr. Meier. Where the photo first appeared or how it was obtained by Colman VonKeviczky for his report ("Who Owns The Copyright? "Billy" or Dr. O'Neill?"), I do not know. In saying that the photo was never published by Mr. Meier I was confusing this photo with the "San Francisco earthquake" photo, which was a photo that was never published by Mr. Meier but became a point of criticism by skeptics. Details about that can be reviewed at: http://www25.brinkster.com/chancede/sanfran.html | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 133 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Aditya, I am not very familiar with the various theories about the possible location of Atlantis. The following is from the questions & answers to Billy on the matter: Norm Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 03:59 pm: Dear Billy, Could you please mark an X on a map where the center of Atlantis was located? Answer No, because Billy doesn't know. | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Franco, Much of the criticism you repeat has been addressed before. Most of these statements you make here stem, again, from poor research and lack of understanding of the facts by assorted skeptics. If you truly wish to have an understanding of these so-called claims it is worth further investigation on your part. You might try viewing some of the webpages at the FIGU Society USA website, Gaiaguys.net, tjresearch.info, this discussion forum's archives, etc. You may find this website helpful in locating specific webpages addressing these criticisms you mention: http://www.gaiaguys.net/Meier.html | ||
Mike Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 01-2007 |
Dear Borthwey First of all I would like to echo Mr. Chance’s sentiments and indeed to thank him for his research into the Meier case; this I found has helped me in researching the Meier case out of pure curiosity when I asked the question about ten months ago to myself; “Is any of this true?” I am not sure as to your level of knowledge with the Meier case or indeed to other alleged ET contacts and what is termed “Ufology”, since this is your first post I am presuming that you know little of the Meier case (perhaps you have good knowledge), I mean this with respect and that you are interested in finding out more (like me). We are dealing with what is termed a “contactee” case that has practically continued for 60+ years between Mr. Meier and alleged advanced non-terrestrial human races by means of actual physical meetings and through advanced forms of communication! What has occurred within these alleged face to face ET contacts over those 60+ years, what are the results, indeed, where is the evidence for all this? A number of points will quickly clarify... 1. Voluminous works in the form of contact notes written in Mr. Meier’s native tongue that have associated carefully numbered sentences / paragraphs so that people may study them in their unaltered form and for cross reference. Indeed some of the prophecies and predictions can be and have been checked for their validity allegedly given to us by advanced non-terrestrial people (whom are also prone to mistakes, as are you and I and all humans). What you find may surprise you as it did me. Do I agree with everything in the contact notes, NO, do I know enough about the information contained within the contact notes to disprove them entirely, NO! 2. Approximately 1500 photographs (has Mr. Meier additional, even more revealing photographs carefully stored elsewhere for release in the future?) in which scientific analysis was completed on some of them, transcripts are available on this analysis. Some of the photos were allegedly taken through the viewing screens within the BEAM ships because it was not appropriate (i.e. perhaps dangerous) to go outside to take photos directly. What’s interesting for me is that Mr. Meier has stated that some of his photographs were stolen or never made it between the processing shop and his home, some later resurfaced and used without permission, some photos were allegedly falsified / modified by persons unknown (perhaps known) and then released to the public to cast doubt upon Mr. Meier, is this true? I don’t know but I guess this is possible considering all the unscrupulous shenanigans going on here by terrestrial humans! 3. Extraterrestrial metal / crystal samples allegedly given to Mr. Meier for terrestrial testing, again, scientific transcripts are available on these investigations; I think there maybe a video of the proceedings as well if memory serves me correctly. 4. BEAM ship sounds (recorded on more than one occasion) with multiple witnesses present. Scientific analysis also completed on these sounds, again the investigation / analysis transcripts are available. 5. Various 8mm films showing BEAM ships performing highly unusual aerial feats with some appearing to be quite humorous or indeed suspicious, but as I later found out the reasons behind this were very very clever indeed, as you go more in depth about the Meier case you will no doubt discover the real reasons behind this. 6. Other people have signed affidavits to the effect of witnessing many of the astounding occurrences as mentioned above. 7. If Mr. Meier is a mendacious, unreliable and lying scoundrel that has messed up other peoples minds with his so called contact notes, his faked photos, 8mm film, metal / crystal samples and those stupid whirring sounds from trash bin lids then why would people want him dead, indeed why try 21 times to send him to the great beyond for all his tomfoolery, has Mr. Meier touched A raw nerve with some people and events (i.e. Apollo 11, the Vatican, 9/11, the secret services, members of the public such as you and me). Why did the Swedish military mount a mobile RADAR station near the SSSC, perhaps they were bored! How has Mr. Meier with a young family and responsibilities having the disability of only one arm managed to fake so many photos, 8mm film, metal/crystal samples, where did he get the time for all of this and how, I often wonder. The contact notes also deal with issues on science, technology, genetics, cosmology and history that frankly has me stunned. This is a neat trick for an alleged illiterate farmer with no obvious educational degrees and funding for this grand exercise over a period of decades. I could go on, but what is this all about, why has the alleged extraterrestrials given all of this information freely, why have they allowed films and photographs to be taken of their technology, even by other people? Is it because they are truly concerned for us, is it because they do not wish to intervene directly and fully openly in Earthly affairs for very good reasons, is it because this is the only way they can truly help us in an indirect way with a “plausible deniability” factor built in as a protection factor for them and for us, are we even ready for any of this? We can only use our logic and reasoning to the best of our individual abilities to ascertain what is truthful based on available evidence, I personally think it speaks volumes for the reality of ET contact, but there is so much more to the Meier case than just the validity of ET contact. Scientist Carl Sagan once stated that “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” In the case of Mr. Meier and the whole ET issue this could be clarified with an additional statement, the development of extraordinary evidence requires extraordinary attention. Some people say the evidence is purely anecdotal in the Meier case, I say it should also be clarified that anecdotal evidence is based on a description of a person’s direct experience, there is high quality supporting evidence for the claims, from this should we therefore rule out this experiential factor alone? The sustainability of any anecdote really depends on the amount, quality and precision of the available data, and secondly and perhaps subjectively the personal character and technical / professional background of the witness/es. Even if only 0.5% of what Mr. Meier is telling us and along with the available evidence (thus so far released to us) is actually true, then I ask are we not in for a profound change in our consensus of reality, indeed a quantum leap! These are my thoughts; sorry if I have bored anyone to the point of their heads falling against their expensive flat screen monitors, I tend to go on a bit, my wife knows this all too well! Other more experienced forum members please correct any erroneous errors were necessary; I wish to learn from this also! Yes, do ask Mr. Meier any questions; we all have this open opportunity on the forum! Mike | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 03-2007 |
Davidchance: I know deeply Meier's case and books and bulletin. I found that the claims I listed in previous post are really Meier/Plejarens' claims. Mike: Sure Meier photographed real UFO, and recieved message from high intelligences, but it's all from Illuminati, for deceptive reasons. An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 81 Registered: 03-2007 |
Oh, I forgot to add that also population reduction was an aim of Nazists and of Illuminatis. What a coincidence it is also supported by Meier/Plejarens! An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 06-2007 |
Hey: They have reason, we must reduce the population. I don't care if all this stuff comes from the Nazis, the illuminatis or from the pleiadeans. Don't see the source, see the content of the message and if it is positive and good for the planet and the humanity. What I see is that the message and the ideals are positive and logic. That is what matters. If we continue as we are now, in this path, our self-annihilacion will become a reality. Even if I think that the case of Billy Meier is a fake, I welcome his teachings and warnings because they are positive and push the earth men to take responsibility of their actions. Find a religion in this planet that force the earth men to take responsibility for his actions and future... You will not find any religion that do that. All religions remove the responsibility from the earthmen. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive off her" | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 07-2007 |
Hello Incredible, I understand what you are saying, you are right that the population should go down, but i think the source should also be considerd, because you know the people of this world they will not budge until they hear somthing phenominal, so telling them the source would mean a lot. Salome Aditya | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 03-2007 |
Well, it's not true that religions, when well interpreted, remove responsability. Actually, religion is to take responsability about waht you do and choose and its consequences. About overpopulation: it has disadvanteges but also advantages. When world started to become overpopulated, we started to have industry and technology and freedom. In medieval ages there was no overpopulation and so people were easily manipulated and enslaved by potents one. And overpopulation will not bring destruction or our annhilation, because when we will be really too much we'll stop doing chldren spontaneouosly (it is already happening in europe for example). An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 03-2007 |
Borthwey: "Since the archived pages are now blocked, does anyone have any proof of what I am saying? And, what explanation would Billy give to this? That he can only give predictions after the ocurrence of the facts? What is the point of making them, then?" The example you cite is actually a prophecy. The following is an excerpt from a post by Jacob (Phaetonsfire) which I think answers your question: "A prophecy is based on a limited set of known factors, and on a unknown amount of factors and on uncertain factors (factors which are undetermined because the knowledge about their true value is not known). Calculations made based on all those factors combined end up in a result, which displays a possible scenario, which may not become a reality. However prophecies serve a specific purpose in order to prevent bad things and educate people in the ways of logic. In a prophecy the positive factors are usually left out in order to show the people the worst-case scenario, people have to learn to discover those positive (logical) factors by themselves by means of logical thinking and deduction. If people would be told the positive factors, then in their current lowly developed spiritual level, they would forgo the changes and would not learn. Thereby bringing upon themselves what they fear the most, the fulfillment of a doomsday scenario prophecy." I hope this explains the folly of getting hung-up over the "details" of a prophecy. As an example, if too much focus was placed on protecting the security of the World Trade Center in order to save it, instead of addressing the social factors which led to the attack in the first place, the underlying, "cause and effect" would not be altered. Very similar to only treating the symptoms of an illness. Regards Bob | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 06-2007 |
Francofiori: The overpopulation not give freedom to anybody. 1. In the overpopulation you become victim of the crime and violence and you live prisoner in your own house. I prefer to live governed by a "potent one" but that give security than to live as you say with "freedom" in a community plagued by criminals. 2. The industry come with or without overpopulation. 3. If the europe not produce children, other peoples from other races will invade europe and the indo-european race will vanish, and those races have not spontaneous auto control and will destroy the world anyway. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive off her" | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 81 Registered: 06-2007 |
The religions remove the responsibility. For example: The Jeovahs withness say that Jehovah will bring a new earth and a new sky and that jeovah will create the paradise here on the earth, and all that without the effort of the earthmen. All christian religions put an easy path and free of responsibility to their believers. All what they proclaim is: "God have the exit to all our problems" The religions remove the responsibility to the earth men. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive off her" | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 545 Registered: 06-2000 |
What I've seen of the DVD trailer is exceptional . Hey , weren't there some people arguing here just a little while ago ? Where did they go ? Come back , crazy humans . We miss you . Mark Campbell | ||
Mike Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 01-2007 |
I’ll be back shortly Mark!  I’m just waiting for Mr. Ike and some of his reptilian friends to join me in a nice cup of tea, oh no, here is fred Illuminati at the door trying to sell me another book on how to rule the world in six easy steps, just as well he has his type IV beam ship parked outside for a quick getaway. Hey kids keep off that beam ship how many times have I told you to leave Mr. Illuminati’s beamship alone. | ||
Borthwey New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 09-2007 |
Phi_spiral: Writing something in wich past events are described as the future is not a prophecy, it's not a prediction, it's just a way to claim (possibly undue) attention and importance. I can't find another point in releasing that kind of information after the actual event, other than that. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 140 Registered: 03-2007 |
Borthwey: "Writing something in wich past events are described as the future is not a prophecy, it's not a prediction, it's just a way to claim (possibly undue) attention and importance. I can't find another point in releasing that kind of information after the actual event, other than that." The greater context of the Henoch Prophecy is about a potential Third World War and its' consequences which has not happened yet. The "point" is to try and prevent that war from happening. Regards Bob | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 585 Registered: 10-2000 |
There are lots of examples of Meier publishing specific, prophetically accurate information before the events/discoveries occurred. A few examples: In 1981, Meier published info about Paris being burned down, with looting, murder, etc. that would be perpetrated by certain revolutionaries. He published it again in 1987, specifying the Islamic inhabitants as the main perpetrators. While Paris wasn't burned down (yet?), the Paris riots fulfilled the greater part of the prophecies. I read the 1981 version in 1986. And for those who could still say that he could have written them after the fact, I put them on my "The Meier Contacts" DVD in 2004...1 1/2 years before they occurred. If that isn't "proof" then I don't know what is. He also predicted that fanatical Islam would spread throughout Europe and that England would fall. All I can say is read what's already now in the news and stay tuned. Meier's information on Jupiter, its rings and the fact that Io was the most volcanically active body in the solar system, was first published by him on October 19, 1978. On March 12, 1979, NASA announced that the most important discovery of the Voyager mission was that Io was the most volcanically active body in the solar system...three days AFTER Wendelle Stevens was bringing Meier's 115th Contact information, with the Jupiter information AND 10 specific predictions that were also fulfilled, the last in 1984, back with him. He also had it witnessed by two other professionals. The last part of the Jupiter infoirmation to be verified, that I am aware of, was about the rings composed of ionized sulfur particles, published by Science magazine in 1980, 1 1/2 years AFTER Meier published it. See http://www.theyfly.com/prophecies/prophecies.htm for more specific items that I was able to corroborate. I also suggest reading http://www.gaiaguys.net/MEIER.PROPHECIES.1958.htm. While there are many items that have already occurred, I would look at many others, including, unfortunately, 85. The Plejaren have already told Meier that the explosion outside London of a fuel stroage facility and a similar one in NJ two years ago were indeed terrorist attacks that have been hushed up. And of course he published information about the two planets beyond Pluto and much, much more long before the events occurred. As Bob said, the "point" is to try and prevent that war (and many other things) from happening. Michael Horn | ||
Borthwey New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 09-2007 |
I know that this is sceptic's corner, but I don't really question the veracity of the contacts. But... I could deal with its non-veracity. After all, it's not my reality, I don't go about travelling in time and between galaxies. The technology seems plausible, the historical informations show that there is a big picture and that what we Earth people know is really very little, the spiritual teachings are, if not original, at least inspiring, and so on. But some things... don´t fit. There are loose ends. Like that explanation according to wich some drum cover designer got inspired by spaceship blueprints (to explain why the "wedding cake" ship's hull is identical to the one in the "harcostar 100 litre 3x3 open top drum"). What does one thing have to do with the other? A drum is not a "design" object, there is no inspiration required, other than structural and utilitarian concerns. It is designed according to the function that it will perform, and nothing else. And to say otherwise is so preposterous that it would really require some proof. Regards, David Guerra | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 144 Registered: 03-2007 |
David: "A drum is not a "design" object, there is no inspiration required, other than structural and utilitarian concerns. It is designed according to the function that it will perform, and nothing else. And to say otherwise is so preposterous that it would really require some proof." On the contrary. I can tell you are unfamiliar with the field of industrial design. The drum itself is purely utilitarian but the "lid" (don't forget we are just talking about the design of the lid here) lends itself quite nicely to esthetic consideration. The fact that a company actually did manufacture the lids with that design, "ipso facto", is proof enough of its' "veracity". David, you seem like a reasonable fellow with a healthy dose of scepticism. It is not necessary to believe every aspect of the case to receive value from the spiritual lessons. I hope your investigation will lead you ultimately to find their intrinsic value and truth. Kind regards Bob | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 372 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi David, I read that the wedding cake photos were made and available YEARS before that drum lid design was produced. However I have no proof of that either way. If it is true about what I just wrote though, it stands to reason that BEAM's pictures would take precedence... | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 373 Registered: 03-2004 |
One other thing David, you are a bit incorrect if I may point out that today, almost every product you can buy DOES go through an extensive design process if it is produced by a major company (as opposed to a Mom and Pop business). Just thought I might point that out because many people don't realize that, yes, even garbage cans go through commercial design processes which can be ridiculously extensive (in my opinion regarding ridiculously). Cheers :-) | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 548 Registered: 06-2000 |
If you want amazing miracles you'd have to go see Chris Angel , I guess . If you want to see someone walk on water and float in the air , don't expect Billy to do it for you . As far as the predictions coming after the events ; people don't recognize true consideration when it's been given to them . This way , you DO have a choice . Billy did not back anyone into a corner with amazements and miracles . Loose ends : if the point of the Mission was to convince everyone all over the Earth about it's veracity , it could be done . Maybe if you thought about it as something other than some massive promotional campaign , which it is not , then you would start to see why it's important for EVERYONE to not believe in it . It's for a wise few who will take the logical process of reason into the future . Everyone else will measure the good with the bad ( of the case's evidence , as well as some of the details of their personal and professional lives) , and possibly throw them all away for a few simple flaws . It's a way of thinking that will eventually teach them something , even if it takes several centuries or millenia . No one else can force wisdom into their brains . Mark Campbell | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 270 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Michael, One other thing Billy wrote about in October don't remember the exact date in 1989 about the junior Bush not doing anything about an attack using planes on the WTC which of course did happen in 2001. Here it is: taken from 11.10.89 p. 87, 11th October 1989, 230th contact Billy: Ungeheuerlich, wirklich ungeheuerlich. So ungeheuerlich wird es aber auch sein, wenn das WHZ durch Terroristen mit gekaperten Verkehrsflugzeugen zerstört wird, wobei Tausende von Menschen sterben werden, dass Bush junior - und verschiedene seiner kriminellen Vertrauten - das dann weiss, jedoch nichts dagegen unternimmt. Ein verbrecherischer Akt, dass Bush die Oberhand gewinnt und gegen den Islam losziehen kann, natürlich immer unter dem Deckmantel dessen, die USA und die Welt vom Terrorismus befreien zu wollen. Dass aber, zumindest für die nächten 15 Jahre, die Bushs den grössten Terror über die Welt bringen werden, davon wird nicht gesprochen. Billy: Monstrous, really monstrous. It would also be just as monstrous if/when the world trade center would be destroyed by terrorists with captured commercial airplanes, through which thousands of people would die, that Bush junior – and various of his criminal trusted ones knew that then, however undertook nothing against it. A criminal act that gains Bush the upper hand and he can let loose against Islam, naturally always under the cloak/veil that they want to free the USA and the world from terrorism. It would not be discussed that it would be the Bushs who would bring the greatest terror over the world, at least for the next 15 years. Quetzal: 666. Das ist von Richtigkiet. Quetzal: 666. That is correct. ***********end of Gaiaguys.net 11.10.18.htm****** The above written in 1989!!! Send this guy who calls you a lair your photo analysis pdf. It is very telling you're only being honest about your work. Shame is the lowest human emotion, and it gives this person, Biedney power by pushing it on you. How pathetic. Hi Mark!!! Have heard that folks in the Pyramid below the main pyramid some of us have meditated at... has had some people that have floated in there... | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 151 Registered: 02-2006 |
Well said Markc! The Meier material is definitely not for everyone, but only for the few % of people in world who can handle it. | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 06-2007 |
The amazement and miracles does not change the way of thinking of the mass of people. What change the way of thinking of the mass of peoples is the suffering retrieved from their bad actions. The gold is refined in the fire. The suffering is what makes us evolve, not the amazement and the miracles. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her" | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 09-2002 |
Vestri, Interesting comment. "The Meier material is definitely not for everyone, but only for the few % of people in world who can handle it." Why is it only a few percent can handle? Is it because people are lazy learners? I'm sure beliefs come into play as always but Billy's info is very refreshing and enlightening when I read it. I look around and most people, including my family sometimes, are just lazy. They don't read or don't care about too many things. What they do care about is childish or unimportant when you look at the big picture. I guess the question is, why only a few percent? What did the few do to be able to handle the truth and look at Billy's material logically? Mark Gilbo | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 152 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Mark, well only a few % is what I think. Some others here have said that too. There are billions of religous people in the world who can't handle it. I think your right about a lot of it being related to laziness too. Thats what i think it relates too when I see people calling the Meier case a hoax at various forums. That and also how certain people (kal Korf, ritzman, ect) have gone out of their way to make everyone think the Meier case is a hoax. | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Mark, Well, one reason could be as you said, people are too lazy to read the material. Another reason could be that they are not just ready for, i think you need a certain spiritual level and knowledge too take in all of the material. Too many the idea of "GOD" not existing is insane, some people go crazy even, which shows the low level of spiritual education. A person must first remove the ideas of "GOD" and religion out of their heads, only then does their Spiritual education starts. I think all the members of this Forum are Spiritualy advanced people compared to the other people on this planet, because we can take in the Spritual teachings very well, as you said "Billy's info is very refreshing and enlightening when I read it." Its very good to hear that. Salome Aditya | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 109 Registered: 05-2007 |
Good question Mark! What is so radically different from we people here in this forum and the vast multitude out there? Salome ashwin PS - are we going a bit out of topic here  | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1307 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, In contact 430-July 30,2006 (thanks Markc) there is mention of the havoc religion has created on other planets. 1200 years ago, the Bardans who visited Billy last year, said on one of their expeditions to earth some of their people brought back Christianity to their planets. The people at that time were still somewhat underdeveloped in their thinking and were believing in Demons etc..as a result wars broke out between the people who believed in the old ways and the new Christianity. This resulted in wars on 3 of their planets which lasted 36 years, before reason brought a halt to it and peace resulted. After that it took another 160 years for religions to be banished and abolished from their societies and that no God was going to save them, but they must bear the responsiblity of their own lives. It was also mentioned they had no wise one like Billy to guide them, but they had to stop things by their own initiative. So it seems to me, one of the most important things we can do, is curb religious thinking on this planet, and reduce the population, which would make things much more manageable. This in turn would allow the teachings to take root and mankind could finally turn towards the truth. Regards Scott | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Scott, You have put up a very valid point , "It was also mentioned they had no wise one like Billy to guide them, but they had to stop things by their own initiative." If they can do it, we can do it. Also, we have Billy with us. Salome Aditya | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 897 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Aditya... Very well put! I have always had the same idea, as you have. I can notice what you mentioned in my surroundings through life: in family circle as well as friends and around me. The MASS is just Not at the appropriate Spiritual Level to Understand what Billy brings forth to us; let alone them trying to Comprehend it all. Their concept of GOD is SO DEEP imbedded within them, which makes it all very difficult for them to Grasp the TRUTHS Billy explains to us. Truly, the additional Material-Consciousness' LOBES play part here. But, even though they can try to resist the mentioned: truly they are not doing their best, to do so. They should just try harder, to do so. But still: them being Afraid of the Unknown, if you will, plays part also. Thus, indeed: One should be Spiritually quite more Advanced to Understand and Comprehend what Billy brings forth to us. If they take that First Step to(wards) Truth, the rest would Flow all into place.... Edward. | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Edward, Very very well said. Salome Aditya | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 03-2007 |
Billy's commandemnts, idea of Creation and spiritual teaching IS another RELIGION. Why not? In this new mithology God (=Creation) has sent to save us its angels (plejarens) and its prophet (sic!) Billy. How cannot you see this is another Illuminati's deception. Not all figu member's are Illuminati's, only Billy is controlled and work for them. All the rest are under strict gerarchical control under Billy ("the most spiritually advanced spirit form on earth" as "plejarens" state he is; and maybe previous "the most fast gun in the far west" when he was "the phantom"? ). And sure they don't have a UFO parked at figu center. Who knows where Illuminatis hide their machines. An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 05-2007 |
Franco, religion is based around worship,idolizing,false beleifs ect ect, Billy's teachings are not any of those things. | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 03-2007 |
When you think someone can tell you "the right way to live" or "commandements to follow" or can tell you what is humans life origin and purpose, you are worshipping him/them. An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 05-2007 |
Franco i think you misunderstand what the word worship means. Go to your local church and look at what the people do while there. that's worship. Just because we follow billy's teachings doesn't mean were worshipping him. What you are saying is also VERY disrespectfull to figu and all the people who support it and are a part of it. | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Franco, Well i think what we all may agree to is, "Understand and learn to respect, not worship, Creation". If you really think and focus your mind you will one time or the other realise that what Billy is trying to say is really logical and right. Francofiori2004: "When you think someone can tell you "the right way to live" or "commandements to follow" or can tell you what is humans life origin and purpose, you are worshipping him/them." NO, you are not worshiping a person who tells you how to live life right, and teach you certain principles. Francofiori2004:"Billy's commandemnts, idea of Creation and spiritual teaching IS another RELIGION. Why not? In this new mithology God (=Creation) has sent to save us its angels (plejarens) and its prophet (sic!) Billy. How cannot you see this is another Illuminati's deception." Could you give me some clues on this, what you think about this. Salome Aditya ---------------- PEACE IN WISDOM | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 114 Registered: 06-2006 |
When you think someone can tell you "the right way to live" or "commandements to follow" or can tell you what is humans life origin and purpose, you are worshipping him/them. so, Franco, when you are driving and you come to a busy intersection and there is a traffic policeman there telling people when they can go and when they must stop, are you saying that if we obey him at that time we are worshipping him? And that goes for traffic lights as well! They are there for the prevention of chaos. They are there as guidance to prevent accidents, with everyone doing their own thing, without regard for the bigger group.............. Without direction, we are left to 'looking after oneself' which is what the problem is that needs correcting. Your view of the message, is confused with the messenger. It is clear that this is a common problem. It is unwise for anyone to raise Billy up higher than anyone else, and to look to him personally as a saviour or special person of some kind -- this is leaning toward religion I would agree -- it is his message, that is being brought by him time and time again that is what we should be looking at, to help us prevent chaos, and catastrophe. Billy and FIGU are the first to point this out. Salome Robjna | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 159 Registered: 02-2006 |
Franco, thats what a prophets job requires them to do, and Billy always said that it is Creation that should be worshipped/praised, and not him. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hi Franco, I want to thank you for looking at all sides of the issues. You are in fact, going though a process that Billy recommends for everyone to go through. Here is what Billy writes in the Basics Rules of Man: 11. Each human being shall not believe in any thing, but shall always search for the basic truth, which he can only find within himself if he searches and thinks about everything, and by using his reason, his understanding and his sound logic. Thus the human being may find the truth only within himself, but only if he is free of any belief in things he can never prove within himself. Belief is not proof, but simply something that is assumed to be kind, desirable and right, without any provable content of truth; consequently, a belief can never be cogent because of the fact that the provable truth is missing. 18. Each human being shall at all times pay heed in forever searching for the truth only, and never for a doctrine of salvation because truly there is no such thing, neither in a philosophical, religious, secular, sectarian or other ideological direction, nor can a doctrine of salvation be found in science. A doctrine of salvation is always a belief-related deception, or at least charlatanry or criminal profit-making. In truth, the only thing that always counts is reality, which is based on the use of sound understanding and reason as well as on real logic. 21. Each human being shall be intent on never accepting and understanding any doctrines of a political, philosophical, sectarian, secular, scientific, religious or other ideological form as “true truth” or as “real, true knowledge”, etc., for – truly – each teaching shall be examined down to the last detail because only in this way the effective truth can be grasped and reality experienced. So continue to embrace the process my friend. However, I really do not see any religious dogma in these writings. Do you? In that regard, your thinking is in error. Kind regards, Bob | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 03-2007 |
Think about this: in contact notes you can read that a certain point, Billy/Plejarens promised to FIGU core member they will live 127 years or such changing their name in a secret way Plejarens know. Then, Billy/Plejarens told FIGU core mbrs they didn't act properly and so they don't deserve an increase in life-span.. Can't you see this is typical relious/sectarian behaviour and deception to enslave people?? And about policeman that give you advice on streets: it's very different when one people teach you something practical and contingent he knows right because society stated it is right from when one man teaches you "the Truth" about Life as a whole just because he adfirms he is right, or when someone pretends to tell you what will happen in the future and is almost always wrong (as for "cure for aids in year 2005, England falling and conquered, Islamic killing all around Europe..) An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1317 Registered: 12-1999 |
Franco, Do you read or write German? Scott | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 05-2007 |
Franco once again those are all PROPHECIES not PREDICTIONS. Brush up on your english. If you beleive Billy's case is a hoax or some type of religion why are you on this forum. Also stop trying to argue with us when you are clearly wrong. quote,''Think about this: in contact notes you can read that a certain point, Billy/Plejarens promised to FIGU core member they will live 127 years or such changing their name in a secret way Plejarens know. Then, Billy/Plejarens told FIGU core mbrs they didn't act properly and so they don't deserve an increase in life-span..'' Where did you read that. Why do you feel the need to make up stuff just to try and back up your statements. | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 91 Registered: 03-2007 |
No. I found these info in english. Don't start with the usual stuff "if you don't know german, you know nothing about contact notes". An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Franco, No, I don't see any religious or sectarian behaviour in this. They were not given the increase in life-span, because of thier behaviour, they had become hostile and there was a lot of rivalry among them. Billy thought it would be better not to make such people live for 127 years, because then the hostility would continue, and it would be a danger to the Mission. I can't see anything religious in that. Salome Aditya | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1318 Registered: 12-1999 |
Franco, Have you ever posted on the German Forum? Thanks Scott | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 03-2007 |
See? Aditya confirms that it's true what I said. i made up no stuff at all! Everyone can understand that episode is typical religious deception. Also it's religious when you told me "if you don't believe in Billy, leave this forum!". Yes, because I am "unfaithful" and I cannot stay in your mosquee! Hey guys, this is called SKEPTIC CORNER. I am not wrong. I am right. i think never posted on german forum, i don't know german An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 05-2007 |
Thomas could you shed some light on the life expansion that the p's 'offered'' the core members. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 05-2007 |
Aditya where did you read that the p's offered to extend there life span. I've never heard that. Doesn't that go against there directives. Even if they were allowed to extend there life span wouldn't they extend Billy's first. A few months back i was reading on a website part of a book that Wendelle Stevens wrote and there was a contact note between Asket and Billy from the days when she was his mentor. She was talking to him about the mission and said, ''you must work hard and fast as we CANNOT STOP YOUR BODY FROM DIEING.'' So what you and Franco were talking about must not be true since they are not allowed to interfere in such a way. Perhaps another misinformed statement from Randy Winters. | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 159 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi Franco, There's a difference between "being sceptic" and "to close one's eyes to reason". If you would have really pondered the information that is written in Billy's books (the original ones!) you would cease to stick to your Illuminati-Conspiracy-roundabout. It really gets annoying to watch you spreading untrue information (among other things). To "The original dave": Regarding the extention of the life span of Core Group members: As a core group member myself I can state that I never heard that the P's would extend my life or that of my comrades. However, if I will still be alive on my 120th birthday, I will change my view, probably. -- The P's would never be allowed to do such an action. Just as they don't extend Billy's life span, they will not do this to us core group members. However, the origin of this false rumour may arise from the falsely interpreted information that there remains the possibility that a person may extend his lifespan through meditation (under certain specific circumstances). But this will not result in decades of longer life. What I can tell you is that I don't waste my time in craving to extend my lifespan, but to live in the "mythical" present and to fulfill as much of my many tasks and duties as possible. I use the occasion to apologize to all of you that I don't find as much time to be a part of this (English) forum as I wish I could. My advise to all of you: Don't take everything as granted just because a FIGU member or long-term Forum users tell you so (I'm including myself, even if I try to convey the information from Billy's writings as close to the original meaning as possible). I know that false information has been published in our forum, but I lack the capacities to read everything and make the necessary corrections. Therefore it is important that the forum users remain sceptic or open to claims of any sorts , and that especially those who are familiar with Billy's original writings are keeping an eye of any fantastic tales and claims etc. -- A good and helpful thing is to ask for a quote from the original text sources, because the quality of memories is hardly ever 100 percent. | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 03-2007 |
Oh that's true. I have read it on gayaguys somewhere. And obviously Billy didn't extend life span not as punishment but simply because he cannot and never could do such a thing. BIlly is just a typical sect's Guru, who makes other people work for him. Only he is not smart to say before all: "hey. I am not a sectarian Guru." This is like kicking someone while saying "hey. I never kick anybody." An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Franco, You said: "Everyone can understand that episode is typical religious deception." Let me tell you one thing clearly, and let me say it again, There was nothing religious about the information you said, even though it is untrue. Yes as Dave, says its right, i think i did hear this information from Randalph Winters(A FALSIFIER), I must have forgotten, My Mistake, and for it I apologise I thank Dave for reminding and correcting me on this. Salome Aditya | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Dave, Dave: "So what you and Franco were talking about must not be true since they are not allowed to interfere in such a way. Perhaps another misinformed statement from Randy Winters." I sincerely thank you for correcting and reminding me about this information. Salome Aditya | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 68 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Franco, As Christian said, "If you would have really pondered the information that is written in Billy's books (the original ones!) you would cease to stick to your Illuminati-Conspiracy-roundabout." Please try to understand the logic behind Billy's material, if you just sit back, relax and think about the case, you will realise that it very much makes sense. Thats how i could make out its true. You just need to open your mind to some possibilities and answers will come. As for your Illuminati case, i would like to tell you again that its not true. Salome Aditya | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 69 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Christian, I also would like to apologise, for I had agreed to a wrong information.(Probably i heard it on the Randalph Winters tapes) You really don't need to apologise to us, we know you are busy and you try to visit the Forum as frequently as you can, we can understand. You like billy have a mission, A mission to spread this information, and you are carrying it out very well. Actually all the moderators are doing a great job, i would say. Salome Aditya | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 278 Registered: 07-2004 |
Franco doesn't understand what Billy's mission is and remains stuck in the same position of being suspicious towards anything even remotely similar to religion. The only thing that connects religion and Billy's mission are the laws and commandments from creation. Religion distorted them to create a control over humanity, while the original and unchanging Creational truths set men free. Franco still lives with his fear that he calls skepticism. You are right Franco, this is the skeptics corner and your more than welcome to remain here, it's your life not mine. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 397 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Christian, I just wanted to clarify something about the whole life extension thing. I read in the contact notes a while back that Quetzal had installed or given to BEAM a small device for the top of the meditation pyramid at the center. This device as I recall was able to very slightly extend the natural lifespan of the meditators using the pyramid through some unexplained process. This happened very early in the contacts as I recall so you might not yet have been a member. Quetzal did eventually remove the device and again, from my recollection, this was due to chaos in the group but I don't think it was a punishment but just due to the realization that the original group was not working out as hoped. There are still original memebers with BEAM now as I understand it, but back in those days there were other original memebrs causing problems. I do not recall which contact I read this in, and maybe it is a false memory of mine, but if you ask Mr Meier, maybe he can clarify for you and all of us :-) Sincerely, Thomas | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 95 Registered: 03-2007 |
No no. Meir told figu members he could extend their life CHANGING their name, based on numerology-qabalistic knowledge from Plejarens! If this is not a cult, there never been a cult on earth. An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 168 Registered: 02-2006 |
"No no. Meir told figu members he could extend their life CHANGING their name, based on numerology-qabalistic knowledge from Plejarens! If this is not a cult, there never been a cult on earth." Franco your just looking for any excuse or thing to call/label Billy and Figu a cult. You'd have more success if you were trying to do the opposite of what your trying to do there. If you did, you would have known by now its not a cult. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 398 Registered: 03-2004 |
Incorrect again Franco. The name thing was not in relation to life extension but in relation to being a better match for the person for other reasons. For example, there is or was a FIGU member names Jacob or Jacobus as I recall, and one of those names means something negative while the other version was more agreeable. I don't mean to be hateful or offensive Franco but you have none of your facts straight apparently and maybe THAT is why you can't seem to get a clear picture about FIGU... | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 03-2007 |
No no. I am not wrong before and not now. And believe me you are all brainwashed indoctrinated people sujugated by a typical cult. If not Illuminati, the group which provided UFOs to be photographed to Meier should be a Gnostic group ("plejarens" teachings are 99% same of gnostic Samael Aun Weor..) or similar. I can add priests friend of Meier also for sure was inside that group (Isa Rashid and the priest who told little Meier about telepathy) and maybe there is also a familiar link, since surname like "Meyer" and "Mayer" are of ancient european germanic/jewish families involved in alchemy and esoteric sects. For some reason they choose Billy to build up this new gnostic cult, adapted to 21th century. An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1320 Registered: 12-1999 |
Franco, What is your purpose in posting here? Are you trying to save us from the Evil Meier Cult? I think you are intentionally attempting to create attention for yourself by your wild and unsubstantiated claims. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 323 Registered: 04-2006 |
Franco, i do not need your cheap explanations trying to label Billy Edward Albert Meier as a sect leader, because that does not correspond to his modest lifestyle.I only see a honest man living a very humble life working 14 hours a day during decades, trying to unveil the most unsolvable mysteries, who wants to share his experience with us. On the other side, you see him as a menace to your beliefs, your fabricated material values proper to the western civilization. Forget it.Billy is no menace for anybody if we except the most popular religions.Billy is a helping hand in an ocean of pure material values, impersonal relations, obscure interests, religious chains and endless injustice. At least, you have to thank Billy and Figu because they have made you think, and reflect about these matters of spirituality and extraterrestrials, although your response has not been mature enough yet. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 157 Registered: 03-2007 |
Franco: "And believe me you are all brainwashed indoctrinated people sujugated by a typical cult." Well now you have my attention. I wonder how much you really know and understand about "brain-washing"? Have you read the book, "Thought Reform and The Psychology of Totalism" by Robert Jay Lifton? Do you understand what a "thought terminating cliche" is and how they are used in thought reform? Well you should, you use them frequently in your posts. They are phrases, after which, when spoken, effective dialogue cannot proceed. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_clich%C3%A9 Examples from your posts are: "It’s just another religion." "It's another Illuminati deception," and my personal favorite, "If this is not a cult, there never been a cult on earth." And of course, this one goes without saying: "...believe me you are all brainwashed indoctrinated people." Interesting choice of words. Your "conversion" to your present paradigm seems rather dramatic to me. It seems to have been influenced by the short video for which you posted a URL link in this forum. I watched it and understood immediately what was going on. It is basically a collage of fast-paced pictures set to rock music that is intended to make visual image associations via the editing process and by-passing the rational mind altogether. No words are spoken that might otherwise activate cognitive thought. The method works by suggesting associations that aren’t really there and the peculiar way the brain processes incoming data streams. It was portrayed in the movie, "A Clockwork Orange," where the main character is "re-programmed" to fit into society and it is used by various covert agencies worldwide. Since you are still in the "questioning" phase of your journey, I would question both that film’s source, the editing technique, and its’ true intent. Or do you already know? There’s just one other thing I want to say. Your belief that some arbitrary percentage of Billy’s prophecies and predictions MUST be fulfilled shows a complete lack of understanding about "free will" and mankind’s ability to change and effect his future. I can tell that you have not read the discussions on these topics that can be found in the archived sections. Nor have you read Billy’s warnings about creating the "self-fulfilling prophecy." You seem to have made your conclusions based on the most superficial understanding of the teachings. Kind regards, Bob | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1321 Registered: 12-1999 |
Franco, Would you please remove the advertisement from your signature line. NO more posts will be accepted from you until you do. Perhaps you are getting paid to advertise your false and phoney products. Scott-FIGU Forum Moderator | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 03-2007 |
Ok, if you want to think Meier can extend your life changing your name because he knows aliens' magick, go on with your rational inquiry. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 279 Registered: 07-2004 |
Franco is clearly exhibiting an agenda to disrupt this forum, as well as embedding posts in the archives that contain very misleading statements. His purpose is to be heard here. And once we respond his goal of creating some form of chaotic exchange that others can read and refer to becomes a value to anybody who has the agenda to disrupt Billy's mission. Franco can do two things that will gain this plan of action. He can tone down his rhetoric and show a form of acceptance so he can continue slipping in more documentation of erroneous beliefs for the longer agenda plan. Or he can use the responses his baited posts generated to claim that people on this form " can't be told anything contradicting their great leader cause when you do they all attack you". These are solely my opinions. I sense other aspects of our forum are being prepped for other intrigues and devious actions. Did we really think that the powers that have wanted to remove Billy from the living wouldn't have other plans to defeat their worst nightmare. The best disguises used by these detractors will be the ones we are the least familiar with. Individuals with language barriers as a cover can hide their actions of mischief and obtain their objectives very easily. If someone really wanted to be a part of what figu is and the mission, we are experiencing about the worst attempt at understanding the reality of Billy's life and what it means for our future. Franco's ability to grasp concepts from a language not native to him shows he can comprehend the obvious proof and purpose of another individuals ideals and writings. He ignores all that and goes for the flame producing" Billy's a cult leader' stance. It doesn't get much more obvious for me as to what Franco's intentions are driven by. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 559 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Franco ; I thought I would address your long misguided tirade with the only fitting comment . You should leave the forum activity since you have nothing to add . Since you only misquote and provide twisted versions of everything , it's clear to me that you are only a negative distraction . You have been lucky to last this long because these moderators give people like you more rope than your'e worth . I think it's high time that you were released from privilege here , you are about as useful as an angry maniac with a machine gun in a hospital . Mark Campbell | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 906 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Franco and All... Franco: Every name has it's own Value! Billy and the PLEJARANS, have mentioned that One should retain the name given by his/her parents at birth! And CHANGING to other name, can/may have 'Influence' on the individual(Positive or Negative)! If One changed the name without any Name Value knowledge: the name may indeed, manifest itself Negatively! But again: it all depends. Thus: Every NAME has it's OWN Vibration VALUE! Just like the NUMBERS, do! The last person I know of, with the name FRANCO, was a Mass Murderer and Dictator! Thus, it seems that YOUR name FRANCO...is very very Negative Loaded! Please do not see this as an insult, but as an Association of Name Value. To be Frank: Perhaps, you would like to change your name to Frank, or something... Edward. | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 128 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Franco Have you met Billy in person? Salome ashwin | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Franco, I think it would be appreciated if you could calm down and talk normally. Let me ask you one question ----> Are you really a beleiver in the Billy Meier case? I raise this question because of the way you talk about Billy being always wrong and that he is with the Illuminati, and that he is starting a new religion, and that he wants people with him to support him. Let me make this very very clear ---->> Billy never asked for any help, he was chosen because of his superior Spiritual knowledge, he didn't call people, people came after him. Later the people who were selected to stay with Billy were people he could trust. He never asked for any Glory, he never asked for anything, in this Forum he doesn't even want to be thanked. What he wants is the people to get to know his knowledge, in a non-religious way, he wants them to know what he knows You and I can't even imagine what a life he has, it is so hectic, his mind must always be filled with the worry of how to go about the mission next, what to do?? And still he finds time to answer our questions in the Forum. Don't you think this man is very selfless, he cares about everyone but himself. As far as the prophecies are concerned, it is beyond both, yours and my knowledge, how he gets them, he is very evolved, far more than we are. These prophecies he gets not to show-off that he can tell the future, but to tell us to be aware and prepared. I hope this clears things for you, i have tried my level best. Salome Aditya | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 169 Registered: 02-2006 |
Your not wrong about them being phoney products Scott. Perhaps this is why he was talking (wrongly) about Billy saying stopping ageing with numerology. *The Immortality Rings stop aging permanently. *Gorgeouspil brings you back to physically 21 and makes you prettier each time Gorgeouspil was taken. *Chi Flush cures all handicaps. If you don't believe, just pretend you never came. Nobody cares. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1322 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, I have held back some of Franco's posts due to the inflammatory and negative remarks he has been making. If it continues, I will ban him from the forum. Scott | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 588 Registered: 10-2000 |
Re Franco, Obviously he's never studied the information, never been to the center in Switzerland, knows none of the parties involved and, as is clearly ponted out by Shawn, Mark and others, simply acting as a deliberately deceptive and disruptive force. Of course, any parties that would try to kill Meier would certainly not hesitate to attempt to assassinate his character, as was also done through photo manipulations, thefts, etc. I think that the forum has been generous enough to this particular person. Michael Horn | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 115 Registered: 06-2006 |
Franco, I have read many of your posts on the Italian forum, and am aware that you claim to have been to the centre with your mother. I am also aware that the role you play on that forum is very different to the one you are playing on this English one. I have to wonder what your motivation is to play such a role as you have chosen here? Is this the 'real' way you think, or is the way you present on the Italian forum the way you think? Either way, you are playing a game -- which is disrespectful and I suggest that we should not 'play' with you. Hidden agendas have no place anywhere!!! Robjna | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 170 Registered: 02-2006 |
I think Mark, Shawn and Michael could be right about Franco being a plant. Interesting to note that Franco has racked up 97 posts to date, but he never started this assault on Figu/Meier until he reached around 60-70 posts. No doubt this was for obvious reasons and probably how they all work. | ||
Jplagasse Member Post Number: 351 Registered: 09-2000 |
Oh man... half a decade ago, i would have been more than inclined in joining in. Now though (?), it's most interesting to watch only, measuring what my present/past reactions might have been. Don't have everything figured out, nor do i pretend to. BUT... I'll be contemplating all this in my dreams tonight, i'm sure. Trying to figure out my symbols, compared to those we're told about. Thanks all, but especially to Franco, for this unique opportunity to watch me/us all, but mostly for an observational opportunity on myself, ok? Salome all, JP | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 05-2007 |
Franco should be banned from this forum. He is only spreading lies which he blindely defends as being true. Why argue with him. Like many of you have pointed out, he is doing this on purpose to shake things up here. O Dave I am stopping his posting for a while, unless I see some improvement. Scott | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Forum members, I have come to the final conclusion that Franco Fiori will not understand any of the mission. He is too much into his own world. However keeping in mind what has happened now, we all should stay together, other people may also try to divide us, we are all like brothers and sisters in this forum, we do not fight amongst ourselves, but we fight to those who say wrong things in ignorance. UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL Salome Aditya | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 129 Registered: 05-2007 |
Greetings to all Sometimes i have this strange feeling that what if Francofiori2004 was Billy himself; just seeing things at first hand in the forum and also having some fun  . Just my childish thoughts  . But anyways after all this we at least know who all go through the Skeptics Corner! Salome ashwin | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 06-2007 |
I think that francofiory is from the forum mistery planet. I know of a francofiory that always is creating controversy and discussion in those forums. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her" | ||
Karlsult New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 07-2007 |
In my opinion - it is difficult to understand if it is true or false (meier story etc), however there is nothing 'bad' in the story. I found everything to be positive, talking about love, peace and so on... even if it is fake I mean those are great things every one in the world needs. So if it is fake it is like a person doing GREAT things to do world but 'making up a story'. Personally I do believe in the story however for certain reasons... http://www.deletespyware-adware.com/ | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Karlsult, You have taken it very positively, you have read the material, and then you have understood it. You are right it does promote peace, love etc. Very happy to hear this. Salome Aditya | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 06-2007 |
I know that when I say this, this guy will become my eternal hidden enemy. In my opinion if this is the francofiory of mystery planet he must be expelled because that francofiory is an intolerant. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her" | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 08-2007 |
Karlsult, The True New Age and True Scepticism are major parts of Billy's Mission for the planet Earth, but these have nothing to do with the fake New Age and false-scepticism, which are major movements on Earth today. The True New Age corresponds to a change in human thought and behaviour on Earth which entails all what the 49 ground-rules of FIGU stand for. This entails thinking for oneself, awareness of one's own feelings and thought about them, formulation of one's own theories with guidance from the wise, etc. (see 49 Basic Rules of Humankind at Michael Horn's website) This also entails true scepticism as a central and requisite behaviour-pattern. True scepticism is not accepting anything as an 'illusion of belief' and an 'illusion of security' as Krishnamurti had called it, but rather only considering information which has been told to you, and not simply 'believing' in anything. Instead, you must only acknowledge that you know something when you have reasoned through it yourself, and in most cases accept that this 'knowledge' itself is only a reduction of something irreducible, and is subject to evolution, revision, clarification, development, expansion, etc. All human systems of thought are theories--that is, they are systems of description which may predict or explain something which is not wholly understood, in order to create a feeling of understanding and a useful model, or frame of thought. When one takes this 'frame of reference', or model to be the reality itself, one has submitted to a belief, which can only be enslavement to illusion. One must accept this frame of description and metaphor to be nothing more than human language and analogies, and not in any way to describe the totality of what is attempted to be understood. This way, the descriptions evolve, and the human intellect expands its understanding. Beliefs halt this development, and even reverse it into a state of regression and unreason. One must also always be as aware as possible of one's own feelings, that one may learn from them and use this internal sense to consider one's own thoughts, actions, etc. Only through acknowledgement of one's own feelings, as modern neuropsychological investigations show (see for instance Taking the Pain Away), can one actually have self-conscious control over one's actions. Denial of one's feelings leads to negative degeneration. With these little 'guidelines' of direction, I recommend that, should you be deeply interested in the betterment of your understanding of the Meier material, you read it as thoroughly as possible and form your own conclusions through true reason, while always been attentive to your feelings, their origins, the logical implications of what you are reading, and their cognitive consistency, etc. Also, due to its semantic superiority over the English (superiority in descriptive power), I would strongly recommend that you learn the High-German/Standard German (hochdeutsche/standarddeutsche) language, should you have the time, or at least become acquainted with the philosophical concepts attached to some of the higher-order German words used by Meier, such as e.g. die Vernunft, der Verstand, der Mensch, die Schoepfung, das Wissen, die Weisheit, das Gemuet, etc. I must also recommend a bilingual (English and German) booklet by Atlant Bieri called in English "On reading and studying Billy's writings", which is available from the FIGU-Shop (although it only costs 1.00 CHF, so the shipping would probably be more than the booklet, so I'd recommend getting more of the English-translated booklets from FIGU along with it, which are also quite cheap). Happy reading! Saalome, - Matthew | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 10-2007 |
Matthew, PLEASE come back to the Forums when you can. Your insights and guidance are highly valued. Keep the mad-dogs at bay,brother. In Peace Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Gib_niner Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 06-2006 |
hello all, not usually a massive skeptic - as overall the case is so impressive but always there seems to pop some peculiarities that can be puzzling for sure...and anyway perhpas just to make a contribution to this section.. Was reading over contact 251 recently and there is mention of a prediction that in 2003 there will be a coup in the US that will startle the world, I wouldn't mind so much if this was designated as a prophecy which may or may not come about but if memory serves it is specifically referred to as a definite bound to occur prediction and strangley the preceise date (year) is given whereas for all the other predictions there are none. Also strange since it is stated that no precise dates wil be given in the preceding paragrapgh..so hmmm puzzling! also...in the book 'through space and time' at the very end there is a paragraph where ptaah is saying that some of billy's film segments were tampered with so that the illiusion is created that they are on strings...but i always thought that that effect was generated on purpose by the P's themselves(in imitation of typical fakery that is so common) in order for the footage then to be challenging, and to add the element of plausible deniability....so then in actuality - which is it? I had come to the conclusion that the later was defintily the case - so why is there this mention of Ptaah saying that the film was altered - perhaps the 8mm film footage was indeed cut at certain places after being loaned out at certain stages, but - that it was altered somehow... seems unlikely - how could this have been achieved?? surely that would be technically a very difficult thing to do? Also finally just to touch on a the fact that I remember reading in the event listings a refereence to billy changing water into wine - but not much detail or elaboration on this - was billy using some kind of special hypnotic ability that he picked up india maybe? & Very very strange that the skeptics dont make more of this!!!!! - they are very quick to bring other things like the ray gun and dino shots etc. ok salome, gib. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 188 Registered: 03-2007 |
Gib: "Was reading over contact 251 recently and there is mention of a prediction that in 2003 there will be a coup in the US that will startle the world..." Gib, In the paragraph you mention, Billy explains that he is giving a chronology of upcoming, “events” both prophecies AND predictions. For the predictions, Billy says that he is NOT giving dates, since the consciousness of many people could suffer disorders because they might attempt to change things. Therefore, if he DOES give a date - then by logical exclusion, he means it as a prophecy. If you go back and re-read the whole paragraph with that in mind, I believe you will see what I mean. There actually was a coup attempt, but it was in 2005, involving an exemplary and popular four-star general, Gen. Kevin P. Byrnes, who was relieved of his command. The cover story they fed the media for mass consumption was this one: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/09/AR2005080900515_pf.html Other sources, offered a different explanation for Byrnes' dismissal which ties in with the Bush administration's unpopular plan to attack Iran and the staged nuclear attack in the US which would provide the pretext to do so. According to reporter Greg Szymanski, anonymous military sources said that Brynes was the leader of a faction that was preparing to instigate a coup against the neo-con hawks in an attempt to prevent further global conflict. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2005/100805fourstargeneral.htm And also, this was reported on whatdoesitmean.com... United States Military Forces Begin Coup, Top US General Arrested By Anti-Coup Factions, Russian and Chinese Military Forces Go To High Alert One of the Coup Leaders in the United States, General Kevin P. Byrnes, and who is also one of their top Military Generals, has been arrested and taken prisoner by US Counter-Coup Forces... http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index796.htm Regards Bob | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 299 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Gib, You may think the term 2003 is precise in this instance, but if you look at the time period of a complete year, this is not an exact date. 'Extremely' detailed prophecies are avoided. Yes it puts it within a smaller framework than saying 'in the future', it doesn't give you enough info to pinpoint the event moment by stating, '2003'. The film segment you seem to be describing had both plausible deniability and the tampering from others who wanted to detract from Billy's info. The film itself offered moments where placing simple scratches on the film itself would increase the option of it looking like it was suspended from a string, seeming the purpose instilled by the P's. Technically simple and done after the P's flight movement film was processed. Billy changing water into wine I have not come across, or remembered any such event in researching his writings. Where was this stated? a friend in america Shawn | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 280 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Gib, About your question of Billy changing water into wine, he actually didn’t do that. What he did was change a bottle of Coca Cola to Wine. It was during one of the nights were they all were enjoying some wine, but at some point they ran out of wine. And how I have been told during one of my visits, that Billy had told to the core members to taste the Cola and they found out it was Wine. He says that he did it by changing the molecules using his consciousness powers. Unfortunately I don’t know where this might be documented in detail, as I only know it through the core members. But I am sure it is written somewhere within the thousands of printed materials. Salome, Badr | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 409 Registered: 03-2004 |
He changed a "case" of Coca Cola into wine and it is documented in the witness book which is in german only at this point... :-) | ||
Gib_niner Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 06-2006 |
thanks eveyone, first of all yes apologies - it was rather istead - cola into wine..it had been quite a while since i read that so got yes got the detail wrong and so stand corrected.. also wow thats incredible that there may indeed have been a coup attempt..very intersting. Finally of interest - i have since noticed that in fact on my computer i have in fact seem to have downloaded 2 versions of contact 251 (can't remember the exact sources) - and interestingly in one of them there is the date (2003) whereas in the other it is absent from the text completely. This makes sense because it was the second time i had been reading the contact as a whole and definitly would have picked up on that the first time ound...but in my original html version of the contact is absolutely missing (yet all the rest of the text seems to be the same) was kind of intriguing to make this discovery. (that basically there is two slightly different versions of 251 drifting around in cyberspace) Could the date have been extracted from the text after that year or is that inclusion of it (ie 2003..coup that will startle the world) officially the version that billy wrote down after the recorded conversation was relayed back to him. I guess since Kingman has been defending the date in the way of finding an opt out clause for it, as it were, that the later is the case but again going back to my original point it kind of doesn't make sense really for the date's inclusion owing to the fact that there is mention in the preceding paragraghs that no dates will be given. So, I am somewhat satisfied by explanations given in general (thanks very much) - yet still however somewhat a little mystified! ok salome gib. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 606 Registered: 10-2000 |
Regarding the "coup", I wrote something about this several years ago and noted that the German word schlage was mistranslated and should have read "strike", as it appears on page 292 of And Still They Fly! where this correction can be seen. I wrote that I thought that it referred to the strike or attack by the US and its president on Iraq. Meier even used the word “stun” when he said the strike would "...stun the entire world..." “Stun” is a synonym for the term “shock” used by the US as in "shock and awe". Michael Horn | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 305 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hey Gib, Without going into which of your versions came first( I have not looked into that aspect ), a date is directed towards a day. A year is not a clear defining date( day-ate ) in the sense of an accurate timing of an event. IMO....I don't think I'm reaching to much... a friend in america Shawn | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 172 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Gib If i recall well, the date appeared on the FIGU site after the Iraq invasion of March 2003. Regards. Eric | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 307 Registered: 07-2004 |
I remember that post Michael. Thanks. a friend in america Shawn |
