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Karlsult
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 07:17 am: | 
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Hi,
I wish to know more about this thing please:
I watched Billy Meier interview, a google video at:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6965341377364106358&q=billy+meier+interview&total=37&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
On that video somewhere Billy says that he is the only one in contact with extraterrestrials...
I also order "Message from the Pleiades V2" and somewhere in contact notes (at about 2 Msg. 2 Pages 64 - 67) Semjase tells him about other humans in contact with E.T's, and menions numbers, percentages, list of people... so it's not just him.
Since both cases did not match, I wish to know why?
Thanks,
Karl
http://www.outranksmart.com/
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The_original_dave
Member
Post Number: 180
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 08:00 am: |
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Mehrain, every question you asked in your last post has an answer. Just look around and you'll find them. I suggest you use the search engine here at the site. |
The_original_dave
Member
Post Number: 182
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 04:55 pm: |
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Dear Karl, Billy is the only man alive today to be having official/personal contact with et's. As for the other contactee persons talked about in the contact notes, all those contacts are strictly of a telepathic impulse nature. In most if not all cases, the people being sent impulses aren't aware of it. I beleive only five people knew they were being sent impulses but they have all died over the years.
I almost forgot. Abductions of terrestrials by et's for scientific/research reasons also count as contacts. This was mentioned by Billy and I think Ptaah in a contact they had years back. At the moment, I don't remember the name for these abduction/contacts.
Hope that answere's your question.
Salome
Dave |
Kingman
Member
Post Number: 319
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 10:35 pm: |
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Mehraein,
Do you use a translation tool for your studying of the materials?
I ask because your posts are not easily understood. I can decipher what you are trying to convey, it's just a little mixed up. And that makes me think that your translation program is not efficient at its job. Do you translate German or from English?
a friend in america
Shawn
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Archandel
Member
Post Number: 11
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 12:28 am: |
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I'm curious to know if the Plejarens think anything constructive has come out of the three Western world religions. |
Badr
Moderator
Post Number: 289
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 05:54 am: |
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Dear Karlsult,
Please remove your signature from your account, for your posts to be approved again. This forum is not a platform for advertising products and services.
Salome, Badr |
Kingman
Member
Post Number: 323
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 01:55 am: |
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Archandel,
The short answer is yes.
To breakdown the parts that have been beneficial and the parts that have been toxic on a page marked with "constructive" on one half, and "de-constructive" on the other half would be incredibly unbalanced with "de-constructive" weighing incredibly more than the "constructive".
Altering the truth is like a making a deadly chemical molecule that is very similar to a neutral, safe molecule in all aspects, yet will eventually destroy you.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Mehraein62
Member
Post Number: 16
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 03:13 am: |
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Thanks to all friends or thire comments belongs to my mail.
Dear kingman , no I don't use translation software for my English writing here. but some time I am obliged to writ and mail it fast. yes soy I wrote with a lot of mistake and the questions were not clear enough. thanks to
The_original_dave too,
_ and Dear Archandel I think you mean three main world religions (including Islam) right?...and yes that's the good question. we can say that cultures and civilization of past societies owe to the three main Religions for sure. but we can say , Now the awakening time of the Man on earth has come but in another way, more lightening , more shining, and more real.
Best Regards
Salome
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Archandel
Member
Post Number: 13
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 01:46 pm: |
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Another thing is this: if the Plejarens were responsible for the Koran and it is full of half-truths (and are they even half true at that?) what is to say that they are not still continuing some kind of deception in some of what they say because they believe it is for our benefit?
I see people on this board use the word "truth" quite a bit as if it is a guaranteed aspect of everything the Plejarens supposedly told Billy Meier, but if they have been untruthful in the past, why assume they are being completely honest now?
And logic dictates that you cannot say "it is because they say they are telling the truth" because that in itself could be a part of any deception. |
Hector
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Post Number: 360
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 27, 2008 - 05:24 am: |
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What the Baawi people are doing is also some kind of instilling half truths in the people's subconscious by inspiring Sci-fi writers and script writers.
I mean, if you watch the movie "Matrix" you can clearly see the connection with the universal consciousness, with Creation, as an intelligent network that perveades everything, only that it is portrayed in a half-religious, fable-like, somehow childish way.The sci-fi writers are stimulated in their imagination, to give shape to spiritual concepts, concepts which they develop according with their evolutionary level and their intellectual capacities.
If you watch "Blade Runner", you can also see concepts such as creating new, intelligent human life, what in some circles is portraited as heresy and unhuman, but in the real world such attempts have to be part of our evolutionary path.
Star trek, with their federation of planets, warp speed and ship defense shields and races also is a half-truth representation of the real thing.
So, Archandel, you see....half truths are very important because it's the only way some billion people are able to grasp spiritual concepts and future coming events without rejecting them completely or becoming mad.Immanuel (jeesas) spoke in parables for the same reason.
Half truths are also useful to make people think.To draw comparisons, to stimulate thinking.Teaching is comprised of two parts.One is the abstract or concrete concept (lessons in a book), and the second is a correct explanation of the object of study.You just can't feed the student with theory and expect he makes progress.
If your consciousness is able to interpret such half truths, you will label them as "childish", but you know, everyone has been a child at some point of his life. |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 203
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, January 27, 2008 - 10:03 am: |
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Archandel: "... but if they have been untruthful in the past, why assume they are being completely honest now?"
As you read more of the Contact Notes, you will find many examples where the P's have admittedly not given all the information on a subject or completely clarified their answer to Billy's content. This is not so much deception as it is prudent. If a young child comes up to an adult and asks a question that the adult surmizes will leave the child even more confused than before, how should the adult prudently respond? An example would be, where do babies come from? And there are numerous cases in the notes where information is given for Billy ears' only for clarification purposes, and left out of the general released notes for this very reason.
Regards
Bob |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 205
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, January 27, 2008 - 11:41 am: |
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So, Archandel, I think it is safe to say that the Plejarens are not giving us all the information (I prefer this term over truth). And why should they? The vast majority of the population on Earth are not even aware of the spirit lessons. Even those who are, will not be able to go through the material that has been given in a single lifetime. Part of the reason, is that sound spiritual awareness and reasoning does not begin until adulthood. And we still have genetically limiting lifespans. So more information is not going to get us any further at this point and some students already begin to feel overwhelmed and experience information overload as some have written about recently.
Going back to the young child analogy again, you would not feed an infant solid food because they are not ready for it and it would only make them sick. Instead, you feed it pablum. Baby food.
Remember, too, that the teachings are here now to lay the groundwork and set the ball rolling for an avalance to come. It will only begin to have an effect many years in the future.
Regards
Bob |
Archandel
Member
Post Number: 14
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 12:44 pm: |
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Thanks for the responses, Phi_spiral. If the Plejarens are real and they are at times being deceptive in a "benevolant" manner, then we still have the same problem of not being able to take what they told Billy at face value. So, then, how does one process such information if one is seeking the truth? It could be true, but it may not be. This is the problem with not having direct dialog on any kind of one to one basis, which greatly limits the usefulness of this kind of information.
If it is indeed true that the Plejarens will not have open discourse with us for over three hundred years, then I feel strongly it will not be until then before their efforts have any noticeable impact.
They will have to establish two way communication with a much broader range of people/cultures before much more than a tiny fragment of the populace will accept their teachings. Until then this information, if known at all, will be considered obscure and "fringe", even to those who don't discount Billy's beamships as plastic models. The reason being: it's just too hard to verify the validity of all they say, even if you accept that they are from a distant star and a more advanced culture than ours. |
Mehraein62
Member
Post Number: 20
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 06:51 pm: |
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Hello Archandel
and thank yuo for your comment here. yes I too think so , and not yet find the real and satisfied reason by P,s that would behave as the same models of very old contacts to the past Prophets ( only one way channel)!!
Best Regards
Salome
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Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 206
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 07:06 pm: |
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Archandel: "So, then, how does one process such information if one is seeking the truth?"
Yes, well, everything you say in your previous post 14 is probably what everyone on this forum has considered themselve at one time or another. And like me, they probably asked, where does the preponderance of evidence lie? I don't think you will be able to answer your own question until you really get into reading Billy's books and the spirit lessons. Then you can make an assessment as to its' value. As for me, I see it as a logical sequence in spiritual evolution. I would not want to jump from grade school level teachings to college level teachings without going to high school first.
Regards
Bob |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 207
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 08:55 pm: |
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It’s important to point out, too, that we are not just talking about information from the Plejarens and its’ question of completeness. The Meir material also includes the books that Billy has written himself, containing information he has retrieved from the memory banks and also what he has been given from the highest spiritual levels. For most of this information you could say it’s truthfulness is timeless. The Omfalon Murado is a good example. As is Art zu Leben.
Regards
Bob |
Kingman
Member
Post Number: 326
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 08:55 pm: |
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Archandel,
Look closer at what Bob is saying. He is not saying deceptive, you are. Realize now that your not responding accurately to the answers Bob is offering you. You are taking liberties with what he is saying.
What information the Plejaren offer at any given point is just that, an offering. We, as a planet of many types of humans must ponder these pieces of knowledge and make decisions whether we can agree with them or not. If we simply accept them we are followers, we will only be able to follow. To immerse our minds deep into what they show us will help us to truly KNOW the information and not just able to recite what they say and share.
Please question all that you read, but do us a favor and research a lot more about a statement and be ready with your facts on a specific subject. Something distinct where we can all benefit from the findings and not have us spend our time on this overall general discounting of this unique world changing source of information. We have heard the same fuss over and over from others here and it is only valuable when you are well versed in your challenge, OF A SPECIFIC NATURE. Even though we want you to challenge what you read, GET UP TO DATE ON WHAT IS RELATIVE AND SPECIFIC.
Please avoid the general discounting( a word to mean cheap) and stick with a valuable issue that can be isolated and deciphered properly.
I may of sounded like a broken record, but so did you my friend.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Kingman
Member
Post Number: 331
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 11:18 pm: |
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Archandel,
You are not reading Bobs response very well. There is an enormous difference between, "not giving us all the information" and, "deception"(your description). Bob is giving you as simple an explanation as possible and you patronize him. Read what he writes(Bob) and contemplate it for all its worth before posting again.
To EXPECT anything, shows, that as a race were still only able to be baby fed greater knowledge. Baby food that is chosen, opened, pureed, strained, spooned, held to the lips, and only if we agree with it, swallowed. And we may still cry about it afterwards!
Don't let your baby bib get covered unnecessarily.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Mehraein62
Member
Post Number: 22
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 12:04 am: |
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Dear Rarena
As I recently studied your comments posted in January 02 , 2008
I have some questions about the 12 commandments that you have presented there.
1- If this Commandments also comes from Billy as you mentioned at the above of your comments?(if i,m not wrong)
2- No. 2 of the commandments says: (( you shall keep holy the name of creation and not abuse this name))...so it has very similarity to the old religious text , I mean Old , New Testament and specially Quran , In the last one you can change the word God to the word Creation no any meaning of the old these teachings never will change! Quran in a lot of verses wants that every believer must and shall respect the name of God(Creation), keep the holy name and not to abuse belongs to some terms in relation understanding of a personality , and though how Old and even people in this era can realize not to abuse and keep holy the name of un-personal identity with very personnel terms?! If the Quran not righteous to put word God instead of Creation
3-in subject mentioned at No.4, what is the definition and identity of Bond with creation that not to be broken? why only adultery highlighted here? and whats the other abusing behavior that can break this bond to the creation? Is it not the same as Criminal Crimes? or Big Sin?
4- in No.5 also you can put the word God instated of creation and nothing will changed
5-in No.9 yes never speak of untruth , but how about semi_truth ( in Old and New texts) that could simply results to the untruth very logically and produce the falls religious teachings?!
6-No.11, how the truth logically could be cursed?! ( not better if we put Creation instead of truth? )
7-No.12, not clear at all to me I wonder to know what is the meaning would be?
Best Regards
Salome
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Archandel
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 12:29 am: |
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Bob, I agree that more detailed research is necessary to assess my own gut reaction to what the Plejarens have said to Billy, but I do know that some of the things I've at least heard so far strike me as a bit odd (I may get into some of them later here).
Then again, more intensive research might be necessary to clear up what may be misunderstandings or incorrect information that I've heard (I so far am still referencing Randy Winters for much of my information and I know how his accuracy is regarded on this board).
I do know that I would rather access something like the writings of J. Krishnamurti over anything conveyed in the Koran and I've read little of what relationship the Plejarens claim to have had to Eastern spiritual and philosophical traditions so that's something that would interest me to know more about.
As to your analogy of going from grade school to college I'm not sure that applies evenly across the spectrum of Earth humanity since some people here, as far as I'm concerned, are certainly well out of grade school. This is why I say that the Plejarens would have to communicate on more levels to reach people more effectively.
I think one can make an illustration using Islam.
Certainly there was a highly evolved spiritual tradition in the East at the time of the founding of Islam and many adepts in India, etc. in the seventh century would have had little use for the information presented in the Koran. If this was how they would then have perceived the teachings of the Plejarens as a whole, they would certainly have rejected them out of hand.
I understand that the modern Plejaren teachings are more advanced, but one wonders if, in choosing only one channel to push all (commonly known) communication through, they are limiting their effectiveness in a similar way as the cosmology of the Koran (which obviously is still very highly regarded by millions) is limited in its reaching only certain members of the populace. |
Archandel
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 12:40 am: |
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Hector, you wrote "half truths are very important because it's the only way some billion people are able to grasp spiritual concepts and future coming events without rejecting them completely or becoming mad.
Half truths are also useful to make people think.To draw comparisons, to stimulate thinking.
If your consciousness is able to interpret such half truths, you will label them as "childish", but you know, everyone has been a child at some point of his life."
That's true but one has to catch on to the difference between the truths and half truths, or else one is stuck without being able to resolve one from the other. I suppose this kind of thing isn't new or confined to the Plejaren communications.
In Zen, for instance, new students probably spend years just trying to discern the point of much of the teacher's input. Trying to weed out the straightforward and literal from the oblique and figurative in spiritual or cosmological teachings is probably a big part of what most students of the truth spend their time doing. |
Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 209
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 08:37 am: |
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Archandel: "As to your analogy of going from grade school to college I'm not sure that applies evenly across the spectrum of Earth humanity since some people here, as far as I'm concerned, are certainly well out of grade school."
Maybe they've been studying the Meier Material.
:-) |
Archandel
Member
Post Number: 17
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 12:59 pm: |
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Bob, I was thinking more of advanced Vedanta, Zen, Theravada Buddhist, and perhaps Sufi and other spiritually and philosophically advanced practitioners. I have no way of knowing if the Plejarens are aware of these kinds of threads of knowledge throughout Earth human history, but they certainly must be factored into any assessment of the spiritual development of Earth human culture. |
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