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    Socrates Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 07-2007 |
Hector, You are one of the only ones along with some others to understand my words without feeling rejected or hurt and I wonder if you have had a direct experiences with extra-terrestrials which provide for you an inner strength of knowing? Or perhaps you have just seen a light in a sky and for you this is enough to make it absolute in your mind? I do accept whole-heartily the spiritual teachings that Billy has brought into greater awareness, but I will not know without my own experience of the Plejarens if Billy's story about the extra-terrestrial beings is true. I have been fooled before by believing in something without direct experience/knowing (1**see below) as we all have in our lives whether it be by the tooth fairy, a corrupt business, media, or perhaps some guy claiming to be an extra-terrestrial named Semjase. For example to see bright lights in the sky is not enough to form a valid conclusion that it is indeed extra-terrestrials showing us they are here. There is simply too much information missing from direct experience to make a complete conclusion as to what exactly it was. One could go online and find others who have had the same experience and more, but to automatically add unto your conclusion what others have experienced leads to delusional thinking for you are lacking the direct experience that others have had and perhaps even the others online are lacking in experience and so to jump to conclusions too early is a rash decision which will confuse the mind for much time. However, it is by these rash judgments about reality that we slowly learn the truth for combined our knowledge dispels all mysteries and continues to as reality itself evolves as we adapt our perception with our knowledge. The path you feel/know is best for you at this time is the path you shall take. Whether it be by reading books, watching videos, learning German  , experiencing the Self, or whatever. I will admit that it was rash of me to say outright that his story is fabricated, but I will recall that there is not enough direct experience for me personally to make it true by just reading his story, other information available online, and having your own photographs of odd objects in the sky. Rarena, excellent wisdom, but I will ask you this question in combination to what Phi_Spiral has said about the laws of nature being immutable. Whom is to say that Billy's writings have not been the compilation of many different teachings by various religions, cults, occults from regions he has visited already in his very well-traveled lifetime at a young age? It was said that it is nearly enough information to busy oneself for in an entire lifetime, perhaps that is because it has been compiled over many, many lifetimes by many different spiritual scholars and wisdom teachers? To me at this moment, the greatest teacher of wisdom of the Self for it is the Self which desires the creation of the infinite logic of our existence. (1)a very thing that if I remember correctly Billy did not want people to do for it leads to delusional thinking That is all for now, Peace by Wisdom, Innominatus | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 220 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Socrates, Nobody here wants to go against you, its just that when some people talk without studying, its a bit sad and irritating. I mean no offense here. You said, "I will not know without my own experience of the Plejarens if Billy's story about the extra-terrestrial beings is true." Yes, self experience is a really impotant element required to beleive. I agree. But if you will never get that experience then you have to depend on other sources. Well what would you say about the analysis of the metal samples? What would you say about the analysis of the photographs? Also, what would you say about so many day-light photographs? Salome Aditya | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 640 Registered: 06-2000 |
It seems to me that you are going through your inner thoughts about the matter but playing them in public , without being in the company of said public , Socatres . In other words , the (outer) internet replaced the inner mind in your case . I understand that your willingness to share thoughts with others in an honest fashion means that you wish to learn from others , or at least , check the validity of your thoughts and estimations . You should be willing to accept whatever anyone throws back at you . You are lucky to be in contact with level headed and mature individuals . My honesty , for example , comes from previous inner thought , ad plenty of it , while my comments to you are in direct response , conversationally , or as close as possible to one . But I see your input as being wasteful , not quite destructive , I don't assign you that much importance , from my part . Many of us on this forum have felt compelled to explain , or argue points , but it's all old hat by now . I've met you so many times on this forum , that I can't wonder which one you are , or if your'e just a familiar personality type . Say what you mean and if you don't know , practice your inner voice and inner typing . No one here is going to prove anything to you . While you don't feel compelled to do any more reading than you have , it shows ; and some like myself are a little insulted to have to read posts by strangers who think of themselves and their limitedness as being so important . We 'ave nothing to learn from you , monsieur . Mark Campbell | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 325 Registered: 10-2005 |
Socrates or ( ), In answer to your direct question to me yet indirectly addressed to Hector... It appears you are the one to ask the question most already have... and you're right... certain aspects can not and will not ever be proven, so you must look at the facts you can skeptically prove yourself. "And yet they fly..." were the words of the great observer...Galileo in 1613 as he described the (bumps) or satelites surrounding Saturn before the priests and powerful members of noblity (lawmen) convinced that the center which the Universe revolved... lay "smack-dab" in the middle of the Holy Vatican in Rome... eh eh eh. Funny now... yet Galilio was forced to admit the opposite of what he knew from his thorough careful, clear, acquirement of knowledge via his valuable observations... FYI... The Vatican was NOT the center of the Universe as Gallilio said and with more evolution and knowledge we all began to see his observation were quite true, today. When visiting SSSC and I hope you do... (give them your real name, eh eh) and see the dedicated people working side by side; Jacobus, Patric, Helga, Freddy, Daniella, Daniel, Wolfgang, Philia, Bridget, Karin, Eva, Engleburt, Bernadette, Guiddo, Hans and Christian... many I may have left out... all long time friends and associates with Billy some, for thirty plus years... Quite a feat for someone who may at times go against the "immutable" laws of nature. In fact, it is a person who masks their identity... hides behind a famous name or a secret title... participates in pompousness and deception... being the one whom directly goes against those "immutable" laws, wouldn't you say? | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 193 Registered: 10-2007 |
Socrates (or whomever you really are), You have written: >...or perhaps some guy claiming to be an extra-terrestrial named Semjase."< Just to correct one of your mistaken ASSUMPTIONS = Semjase is a FEMALE. She is the one that originally met with Billy for many face-to-face contacts during the 1970's. Semjase is honored and respected among all of who know the TRUTH of what she shared with Billy. The teachings she brought are intended to be shared with all Earth Humans. Salome Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU? J_rod7 | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 641 Registered: 06-2000 |
This clown believes that Semjase is male . Thanks must go to him for being sloppy . He proves the point that he does not read the material . Mark Campbell | ||
Socrates Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 07-2007 |
Actually, my name is Neal Christopher Amundsen and I use them name Socrates for online purposes only. In the book, "Way of the Peaceful warrior", the main character, Dan, names the wise elderly teacher 'Socrates' and to me this book has been a great source of information and inspiration which inspired me to start questioning reality at a deeper level and so I use the name Socrates in honor of the elderly man in the book, and because I like the name regardless of who it represented in the past. I don't see myself as a wise old man, but rather a foolish child being guided to walk on the path of knowledge by his parents. The only laws I know that are certain are the one's which we create for ourselves from the uncertainty we face. I feel as if the entire universe is just nothing and that at every moment now we are creating it, simply stemming from the single desire to be, to exist and grow in one's existence. For one to go against the immutable laws would be like for a magician to disappear a ball held within his gloved hand. To the audience observing, it appears as if he has truly performed an act which defies sense, but to those who observe from a different perspective due to knowledge derived from observation see that this is defies no laws at all. What I say is that our perception utilizing knowledge created from observation is what limits what we deem possible, or impossible. J_Rod7, I know very well Semjase is a woman according to Billy, I was referring back to a previous post pertaining to a man hiding his identity as Semjase and tricking people. Although his cause was to spread the teachings of Billy, he did so in a way that was hypocritical to that which he knew and believed. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 195 Registered: 10-2007 |
Socrates, Please consider this information...: > "It is truly interesting: All types of people, fanatics, know-it-alls, sectarians, and "wannabe ufologists" defame, scorn and slander "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier. He is continually being slurred as a fraud and deceiver who, so his detractors claim, only feigns his contacts with the Pleiadians and who, purportedly, faked his UFO photos with every conceivable trick by using pictures of models and then retouching the photos and so forth. These detractors further state his motives for doing all of this was that he wanted to present them to the public as being the world's greatest UFO photographs. And yet, there exist no other UFO photographs in the entire world which are plagiarized and disseminated by every media branch to the degree that Billy Meier's are. At every appropriate or inappropriate opportunity his photographs are being used for every form of advertisement and the like. Even well-known Meier foes do not hesitate for a moment to use his UFO photos for every honest and dishonest purpose, but no one ever gives proper consideration to his remuneration. His copyrights are shamelessly disregarded and abused, and it matters little whether this is perpetrated by Korff, Bürgin, MUFON, CENAP or an advertising agency, TV station, newspaper, journal or any other entity. But, not only are his photographs stolen, his written material is also plagiarized, as evidenced by countless male and female frauds throughout the world. Why do they all do this while claiming that the Meier contacts are simply deceitful and fraudulent, and that his movie footage and photos are only trick photography, models, and hoaxes? And why is Billy Meier's material the most intensely and widely disseminated? Does this mean that what he did and continues to do, and what he says, teaches and explains to others is -- supposedly -- all fraudulent and deceitful, and that Billy himself is a liar? No, never. I have known Billy for more than thirty years. He was and is always an open and honest person who is helpful, companionable, extremely skilled with his hands and who possesses knowledge which is not only diverse but extremely comprehensive. Billy Meier has been my loyal and good travel companion for a long time and never have I experienced him to be anything but honest, even in times of profound need and stress. I feel it is about time that this is finally conveyed about him." > Konrad Haase, Germany" < This is from Bulletin #9, and may be found on the website at www.futureofmankind.co.uk The salient point here is the plagiarizing of Billy's material by numerous deceitful persons seeking their own "fame and money". If you are getting your information from these types, then you do yourself a great injustice that you do not study the true source of the teachings directly from Billy. Salome Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU? J_rod7 | ||
Karlsult Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 07-2007 |
Are there anything free online about Billy? Some website URL's please mention. I wish to know. I have www.theyfly.com and some more... just to read newsletters, articles and so on... Any help? Thanks | ||
Adysor Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 03-2008 |
Hi Karl, I think there is more then www.theyfly.com I got http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/index.php?title=Main_Page http://www.tjresearch.info/ http://www.steelmarkonline.com/ | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 08-2007 |
Michael and other forum members, If anyone wants to get an idea of what a dishonest twerp James Randi is, perhaps they should see what Rupert Sheldrake has to say about him: Skeptics: Randi "James Randi - a Conjurer Attempts to Debunk Research on Animals The January 2000 issue of Dog World magazine included an article on a possible sixth sense in dogs, which discussed some of my research. In this article Randi was quoted as saying that in relation to canine ESP, "We at the JREF [James Randi Educational Foundation] have tested these claims. They fail." No details were given of these tests. I emailed James Randi to ask for details of this JREF research. He did not reply. He ignored a second request for information too. I then asked members of the JREF Scientific Advisory Board to help me find out more about this claim. They did indeed help by advising Randi to reply. In an email sent on Februaury 6, 2000 he told me that the tests he referred to were not done at the JREF, but took place "years ago" and were "informal". They involved two dogs belonging to a friend of his that he observed over a two-week period. All records had been lost. He wrote: "I overstated my case for doubting the reality of dog ESP based on the small amount of data I obtained. It was rash and improper of me to do so." Randi also claimed to have debunked one of my experiments with the dog Jaytee, a part of which was shown on television. Jaytee went to the window to wait for his owner when she set off to come home, but did not do so before she set off. In Dog World, Randi stated: "Viewing the entire tape, we see that the dog responded to every car that drove by, and to every person who walked by." This is simply not true, and Randi now admits that he has never seen the tape. " Methinks James Scamdi should stick to magic tricks. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Pauljanus New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 06-2008 |
Dear forum members, I'm really astonished about the accuracy of Billy Meier's prophecies. In fact the only way a hoaxer could forge them would be to release them after the actual events had occurred, somehow managing to "backdate" them. A few questions that could help clarify this issue to me: 1) the Henoch Prophecies mention the WTC destruction, but they were actually published for the first time only in the 2004 edition of the book "And Still They Fly". Is there any verifiable proof that they were received before 2001? 2) Regarding the 162 prophecies, including the one about the Iraqi wars, reported here: http://www.theyfly.com/lost/meier.prophecies.1958.htm Michael Horn specifies that only the accompanying letter was sent to the Europe governments, while the prophecies list in intself was only sent to a couple of ufologist who destroyed them shortly after: [...] "the letter of August 25th, 1958 was sent as a "Warning to all the governments of Europe!". [...] The "prophecies and predictions" [...] These 162 verses were written down on the 24th of August 1958, and sent to Karl und Anny Veit, from "DUIST", respectively "German Ufological Study Community", in Wiesbaden Germany, to publish in their "UFO-News". [...] both Veits received the "Prophecies and Predictions" and read it in its entirety, but thereafter destroyed it because in its entirety it did not fit into their sectarian concepts. [...] Is there any solid proof (printed books, articles, etc.) that the predicted events were actually published before they occurred? 3) Along the same lines, is there any pending prediction, yet to be fulfilled, dealing with astronomical or natural events that could be validated in a short period of time, say the next few months? I think that a thorough and satisfactory answer to these questions could help dissipate my last doubts, and maybe drive me to further propagate BEAM's inspiring message. Peace PJ | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 238 Registered: 05-2007 |
Welcome to the FIGU forum PJ! ''1) the Henoch Prophecies mention the WTC destruction, but they were actually published for the first time only in the 2004 edition of the book "And Still They Fly". Is there any verifiable proof that they were received before 2001?'' Yes, Meier and the P's accuratley predicted the 911 attacks would occur sometime in 1989. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 370 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Dave, Can you mention your source? Salome, Badr | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 239 Registered: 05-2007 |
As for proof. You'll have to do some research. Search for some contact notes. I reccommend you go to James's Future of Mankind site and look for the contact notes there. You could also go back to Michaels site and look at the dates on each prohpechy and then visit the FIGU site in Deutsch. There they have plenty of contact notes and other news bulletins you can really do research on. (Don't forget all the books which where published before the prophecised event occured. I do not remember which books they are at the moment since I do not own any in german.) | ||
Pauljanus New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Dave that's exactly what I was interested in, some contact note published in printed form (not on some ever-changing webpage) before the events occurred. I've searched some online bookstore for some old book that could possibly detailing them, i.e. the Wendelle Stevens contact notes voll. I trough IV, but so far to no avail. Just photo books. If someone could refer me to at least one printed source for the prophecies/predition that would do. Peace PJ | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 240 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hey Badr, I read it in the prophecy section a few (1 or 2) years back on Michaels site. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 241 Registered: 05-2007 |
Pj, It would be a good idea for you to contact Michael Horn. He'll be able to tell you which books to look for. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 242 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hey Badr, After posting my reply to your post, I went back to Michaels site to find the quote about the 911 attacks. From the prophecy section, • 215th Contact, February 28, 1987: Known as the Henoch (or Enoch) Prophecies, this contact contained a forewarning of the destruction of the World Trade Center (WTC) by terrorism, the series of worldwide wars that the US would subsequently launch, and military actions involving Russia, China, France, Germany, Spain, England, Scandinavia and many Third World and other countries. Corroborated: September 11, 2001, the WTC was destroyed; the United States has already attacked Afghanistan and Iraq as of the time of this writing. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 636 Registered: 10-2000 |
Actually, I got the Henoch Prophecies in May of 2002 and had them translated into English after that and then posted on my site. As for other prophecies and predictions, I list a number of them that I picked out of the first 1800 pages of the Contact Notes, as well as some other ones, which I was able to confirm as not only accurate but published first by Meier. It's important to remember that the first Contact Notes that were published in mimeographed pages and also in Wendelle's books had to be translated into English, which took some time (and actually a couple of attempts). And considering the amount of time necessary for Wendelle to get the translations and prepare the books for publication back in those pre-electronic days, it's a pretty safe bet that the dates are accurate, i.e. that there was no back dating by Meier. Further the information about two planets beyond Pluto has been in print as far back as Wendelle's books (maybe Vol. 2, not sure exactly) and the planets weren't discovered until a few years ago. And it should be remembered that every sentence spoken by the Plejaren, who were given as the source of most of the prophetic information in hte early Contact Notes, were NUMBERED. This means that any and all translations, in any and all languages, have the same information attached to the same sentence number, a mechanism that helped to assure that no back dating would be possible, as they knew that Meier would indeed be later accused of doing. Also, in a general sense, look at the increase in natural disasters, such as just hit the U.S. and other places, and refer to Meier's 1951 and 1958 letters. Look at the Henoch Prophecies as they foretell the U.S. launching numerous wars post-9/11. The information about Paris riots due to Islamic inhabitants was not only published by Meier in 1981 (I read that one in 1986) and 1987 but I also included it on The Meier Contacts DVD, released in 2004. The riots that hit Paris occurred in October and November of 2005, 1 1/2 years after the DVD was released. And while Paris wasn't burned to the ground, there was a huge amount of damage and destruction. Hopefully, the French have also paid some attention to the prophetic warnings and will avoid the other foretold damage as well. There are many items in the German contact block books in Switzerland that detail Meier's accuracy, far more than I've done. But I also suggest reading the article about the 5,100 year-old man at my site, as well as contemplating how Meier knew all the information about Jupiter, including the details regarding a ring of ionized sulfur particles that was only confirmed well after he published it (see: http://theyfly.com/news2005/jan06/jan06.htm#skeptics) Regarding Jupiter, we have to remember that Stevens DIDN'T draw particular attention to all of the information in his book, i.e. if he had been complicit in hoaxing it he probably would have pointed it all out. But the information on the sulfur rings, while it's in the Meier material, isn't corroborated until April of 1981 in Science Magazine, something that isn't mentioned by Stevens. We'd also have to assume that Meier not only had nothing better to do than to look up various events and discoveries but that he had the vast resources to do so and then the additional time, energy, etc. to concoct stories into which he would have then inserted the info. We already know that this was not the case. Using the 5,100 year-old man information as an example, it was never broadly publicized until I put the article up on my site. As is the case with so much of the information that is within the (primarily german language) transcripts, it's usually up to someone else to stumble upon it to bring it to public attention, hardly an efficient means of drawing attention to oneself as an outstanding prophet. Further, I suggest that people read the available prophetic information and see how it correlates to what's unfolding in the world today. Of course, I only hope that all efforts towards the positive are succeeding so that we can help to prove the prophecies wrong. But too many people are looking at this from the perspective of, "Oh yeah, well now what does he have to say about this or that now...?" instead of realizing that humanity is still, overall, blisteringly stupid, the equivalent of the proverbial frog in the slowly heating water but with one exception. Humanity (we) are not only sitting in increasingly hot water, we are also the ones turning the heat up on ourselves. Michael Horn | ||
Pauljanus New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 06-2008 |
Thanks Michael that was just to make sure I didn't get involved in a conversation like this: (Me) - Hey, have you heard about that Billy Meier guy? He predicted a lot of natural and social events before they occurred. (Friend/relative/coworker) - How do you know that? (Me) - Uh... I've read it on some web page on the Internet. If you want to check this out, here's the link... Not very convincing. Much better: (Me) - I've bought this old book on eBay, printed in 1979, and here's the page regarding the riots in Paris/the Jupiter's ring, etc. Since those out-of-print books seem really hard to find though (or is anybody keeping them out of the market on purpose?), it would be even better if I could get an answer to my third question. Predicting right now a natural event that will occur in the next months should convince anyone with a minimum of judgment that this is the real deal. Salome PJ | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 637 Registered: 10-2000 |
You're welcome Pauljanus, Regarding the books, see: http://theyfly.com/products/products.htm As far as the third question goes, I would suggest studying the prophecies pertaining to these times and looking at current events and trends in the world now. For instance, the Democratic candidate seems to be saying that he would bring the troops home, no more wars, etc. And he appears to be favored over the Republican. So this seemingly could help prove the prophecies wrong, specific as they are: "Far in the West, it will be different; the United States of America will be a country of total destruction. The cause for this will be manifold. With her global conflicts which are continuously instigated by her and which will continue far into the future, America is creating enormous hatred against her, worldwide, in many countries. As a result, America will experience enormous catastrophes which will reach proportions barely imaginable to people of Earth. The destruction of the WTC, i.e., the World Trade Center, by terrorists will only be the beginning." Of course, we don't know that any politician can be trusted to keep their word; we don't even know with absolute certainty that these two people are the candidates, as certain as it looks now. We do know that no one attains the highest office in this land without being beholden to very powerful people and parties. And, so far, we haven't seen evidence that the big interests want peace. The only parties that clearly want peace are many of the citizens and a few politicians. Just look at how quickly the Democrats who won election in 2006 sold out, were bought off, blackmailed, etc. and morphed into Republicans supporting the president and the war. Therefore, we should watch carefully...and do everything we (here) can to help redirect this country's course of action. Also, part of the problem regarding specific prophecies is that so much, otherwise unthinkable, stuff has already occurred since they were first written that we may be missing the importance of this in search of novelty. Let's remember that prophecies and predictions deal mostly with negative events and we can become fascinated like moths to a flame when the purpose has been to awaken and alert us. The people in Iowa may have benefitted from knowing about the prophecies regarding floods, protecting themselves against raging rivers, etc. as in http://theyfly.com/lost/meier.prophecies.1958.htm but we can also ask ourselves - wherever we may be - what warnings are now staring us in the face that we don't recognize? As the Plejaren told Meier a few years ago, earth people simply don't learn from the prophecies and predictions. Again, maybe we can prove them wrong. BTW, does your screen name have something to do with someone named Paul being two-faced? Michael Horn | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 638 Registered: 10-2000 |
P.S. Please see what I wrote shortly after the 2006 elections: http://theyfly.com/news2005/november06/november06.htm#us Michael Horn |
