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Indi
Member
Post Number: 177
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 10:23 pm: | 
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Dear all
Even though it is nice to share ones personal health methods with others I think it is inappropriate to the forum goal.
I am a health practitioner, and would think it inappropriate to offer my brand of treatment or my ideas on treatment for cancer or for ingrown toenails, when this is a list about the study of the Meier material.
there are many forums about health, but this is not one of them.
I don't understand why the moderators allow this kind of information to be posted.
Call me a sour puss if you want, but if it is not to do with the Meier material.........
Please everyone, consider the point of the forum, and think about the ramifications of sharing information in this way.
in peace
Robjna |
Alan
Member
Post Number: 166
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 02:38 am: |
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Hi Robjna,
II think i have to agree with your point of view here. Although it is nice, this is really not the place to be doing it. At least not fill an entire topic section with it.
Thanks Rod, Cpl and others for the helpful advice anyway. |
Cpl
Member
Post Number: 354
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 08:48 am: |
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Alan,
Your email account is refusing my emails. So I am unable to send you the information. I found the source URLs and more. Maybe you'll have to enter my email address above into your address book first. I have PDF file to send as an attachment that is 3MB. So you'll need to have that amount of space in your email account.
Best,
cpl |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 143
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 03:05 pm: |
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Hello Robjna,
You express: >"there are many forums about health, but this is not one of them."< = SAY WHAT?...
Dear friend, I object. This forum IS specifically >>The Human Body >> Disease. Where ELSE would you suggest discussing Disease of the Body>??!!? Added with a sharing of knowledge for the treatment of these different disease conditions?!!?!
The question was asked many ages ago: "Am I My Brothers Keeper?" I will step and answer: "Yes, I am!" Where my brother needs a helping hand, I will offer mine. Where I may have knowledge and experience, I will share.
Do your "professional credentials" preclude you from sharing your wisdom freely? If so, I suggest that you burn them.
If I were to look into your eyes, I will see the spirit of Creation there. Shine forth.
Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU?
J_rod7
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Cpl
Member
Post Number: 355
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 06:04 pm: |
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It's not going through, Alan. I'm just sending email to you like to anyone else. Did you add my email to your address book? Or do you have another email account?
cpl |
Indi
Member
Post Number: 181
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 01:00 am: |
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I guess Rod, you are going to take the heading literally -- when this is not a health forum, but a forum to discuss the teachings in relation to the said topics.
Of course you can do whatever you want and whatever the moderator's allow to pass through, but as a health professional, who takes other people's health seriously, I know that giving anecdotal "I tried this and it worked" type advice on any forum even on on health, especially about disease labelled with cancer -- well frankly I think it is irresponsible!
My take on the heading of this section is that these topics discussed in relation to the teachings is what is expected.
Sharing my 'wisdom', is not the issue -- I will offer information that I have and know about, when asked, however, I will not present it on a public forum that is to be viewed by some who may take my 'wisdom' as an answer to their needs -- when it very well may be contrary to their particular needs.
That is why people train to take cases -- so that advice given is relevant to the specific case.
I am on many forums, medical treatments, brain tumor forums,psychology, herbal medicine, homoeopathic, nutritional etc...... and on those forums, we only discuss the relevant information to that forum -- which is the point of it all isn't it? I am also a member of forums on microbial nutrition, sprouting, exopolitics, energy therapies, etc....... and on each of these, we ONLY discuss the topic relevant to the type of forum.
Also, I think that giving advice on a terminal disease state, should be done by people who can bear the responsibility that comes with that advice giving.
Your personal experiences have value, but it is not the issue I was objecting to -- it is the inappropriateness of giving medical advice on this forum, no matter whether or not the words 'disease' or 'body' are included in the heading.
Give me a break Rod! You are being childish about this in my opinion.
I have the right to voice my disapproval of this kind of behaviour. And you have the right to disagree with me.
But please don't make 'holier than thou' type comments as though I am holding back on something that could help someone. That is absolutely out of line.
Robjna |
Alan
Member
Post Number: 168
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 03:33 pm: |
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Cpl the problem must be with the settings of my email book. I tried fiddling with the settings when you emailed me before but still no good. Its ok, don't worry about it. Thanks for the other stuff anyway.
(p.s. I got that other stuff with Scott's email he sent me on your behalf)
That wasn't from CPL, the name should be on the bottom of the e-mail-Scott |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 1086
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 06:51 am: |
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Hi All....
I personally, do not mind if Rod(or whom ever) posts his alternative health
methods. For me, it was just something to absorb, and to analyze, which I did
find very interesting and informative; and can learn from, even! And perhaps, it
would have benefit for Alan's buddy? And others?
But of course, it would be more in it's place with the exchange of emails, of
the both concerning, perhaps?
And if it were not in it's place, I would think the moderators would have
commented, already?
After all, this is a forum, which has a number of topics in all fields, which
will/can benefit Man, in many ways. Thus, if it bears Positive fruit, I truly
do not mind. For me, whom ever likes to, has the - Freedom - to do so.
Thus, I take a - Neutral Positive - stance, here.
Edward. |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 148
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 01:12 pm: |
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Hello Edward, Greetings to All,
Thank you for your "vote of confidence".
I intend to post what I know to be true, as I have both knowledge and experience to guide me. If what I have to offer helps even ONE person, that is sufficient. Alan has expressed that his friend is doing better now, and this is a good thing. Yes, I offered to exchange information through email, but as you see above, there are some problems making connections
The post from Robjna came from such sour grapes, that we must add a lot of sugar to make a good wine therefrom. She is also entitled to her opinion, which I am free to reject.
The important point is: any disease condition can only be truly healed by the one who has the disease. Every cell in the body is an individual life-form, with it's own consciousness and purpose. The cells in any particular organ cooperate with each other to maintain the organ's function. They also send and receive signals to and from all the other cells and organs in the body to maintain the body's function. The body's function is to be a vehicle for our spirit in this time-space material density.
While our Human spirit enlivens the body, our Human Consciousness and Will supercedes and predominates. If some of the cells experience DNA damage, they may go "rogue", as cancer, etc. When we direct our Consciousness to the problem, the body's immune response goes into higher gear. As we consciously give the body the elements, nutrients, and material to "support the troops", all the respective cells and organs respond to the "call to arms". Therefore, by our ATTENTION is the disease subdued.
Salome
Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU?
J_rod7
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Alan
Member
Post Number: 171
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 04:13 pm: |
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Hi Rod and Robjna,
I didn't want to start an arguement here.
I think you both have points and are right. |
Indi
Member
Post Number: 186
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 09:12 pm: |
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Dear Alan
There is no argument just a difference of opinion on the use of the forum -- well that is what I was discussing anyway - which is all my objection was about.
Detailed material can be sent privately which is a great way to share information. However, just names of publications would have been sufficient to lead someone in one direction for a search for treatment options.
You asked Billy a question, and he answered it.
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Alan
Member
Username: Alan
Hi Billy,
About six months ago a very close friend of mine was diagnosed with colon cancer and since then things haven't gotten much better for him with what his doctor has got him on. His now willing to give any of the natural alternative's a go, such as certain high potency vitamins, diet and so forth.
Do you know if a high potency intake of any particular vitamin would help in combating cancer to the extent that it may even cure it? If not vitamins, then do you know of any other alternative that might work, be whatever it may be. Anything.
Thanks.
Colon cancer (as well as cancer in general) cannot be cured by vitamins or other natural alternatives. What can help is an operation or chemotherapy. Vitamins may help to strenghten the immune system, but they are no cure for cancer.
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As I said before, I don't think this section or any section on this forum, was intended for discussion outside the framework of discussion of the teachings, and how they relate to all areas of our existence, including disease, and any information on treatments that are of a general nature that may have been imparted by the Plejaren that may be of use to us now.
If we take liberties with the forum, then the focus will be weakened. In the long run, this is not in the forum's best interest.
That is how I see it, and I will not go on about it any longer. It is important to remain focused, no matter what it is we are attempting to do.
in peace
Robjna} |
Alan
Member
Post Number: 172
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 04:31 pm: |
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Hi Robjna,
I see your point and once again I say I agree with you -
Alan - "Hi Robjna,
I think i have to agree with your point of view here. Although it is nice, this is really not the place to be doing it. At least not fill an entire topic section with it."
With all due respect to Rod for offering me his advice, Billy did say that Vitamins and natural products will not cure cancer. But I still passed it onto my friend, just in case it helped him anyway.
I didn't intend a dispute to erupt between Rod and yourself. I really didn't want this but I was put into a corner by Rod when he misunderstood what I said to him. I hope he understands my position and why I kept quite.
Rod - "Alan has expressed that his friend is doing better now,.."
Thats not what I said -
Alan - "Rod my friend received that book you suggested he get and he said it was very good and FEELS like its already started to make him and his condition feel better."
I didn't say his condition is better now, but that it feels like it is, referring to how a better diet makes anyone feel better.
Rod I hope you don't get offended with any of this.
Again but Billy did say Vitamins and so forth will not cure cancers.
I hope this doesn't erupt further and everyone involved understand why this discussion took the course it did. |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 150
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 02:03 pm: |
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Hello Alan,
No offense taken, and you did not start any conflict.
Billy also said: "Vitamins may help to strengthen the immune system..."
As I have posted above: The important point is: any disease condition can only be truly healed by the one who has the disease. This to each of our own responsibility.
Every cell in the body is an individual life-form, with it's own consciousness and purpose. The cells in any particular organ cooperate with each other to maintain the organ's function. They also send and receive signals to and from all the other cells and organs in the body to maintain the body's function. The body's function is to be a vehicle for our spirit in this time-space material density.
While our Human spirit enlivens the body, our Human Consciousness and Will supercedes and predominates. If some of the cells experience DNA damage, they may go "rogue", as cancer, etc.
When we direct our Consciousness to the problem, the body's immune response goes into higher gear. As we consciously give the body the elements, nutrients, and material to "support the troops", (which aligns with what Billy said) all the respective cells and organs respond to the "call to arms". Therefore, by our ATTENTION is the disease subdued.
Salome
Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU?
J_rod7
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Alan
Member
Post Number: 175
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 10:19 pm: |
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Hi Rod,
Thanks for understanding.
btw, my friend with the cancer believes that Billy is the real thing after I let him see some Meier video's. But I didn't have the heart to tell him that Billy said vitamins and natural alternatives will NOT cure cancer. I thought this was the best way. |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 1089
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 06:54 am: |
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Hi Rod....
Yes, very true. The additional Vitamins does - Stabilize - the Immune System,
and other components...etc.
And as we know, this will not heal Cancer, in general, which speak for itself,
not?
And as I once mentioned here, on the board...that Cancer should be - treated
-, thus, as Billy mentioned through - an operation or chemotherapy -, which
has been the case with friends or acquaintances of mine, in the past.
As long as the treating physician has no disagreement with the mentioned
alternative products, it can indeed benefit the patient. Thus, of course:
always in consultation.
Edward. |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 151
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 01:52 pm: |
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Hello Alan and Edward, Greetings In Peace,
Alan, you are very compassionate in your concern for your friend. You have expressed...:
> "But I didn't have the heart to tell him that Billy said vitamins and natural alternatives will NOT cure cancer."
Put the emphasis on cure, as: "will not CURE cancer." The body has an amazing ability to cure itself. But, in cancer, the body need assistance from EVERY available source. Billy DID say "vitamins may help strengthen the Immune system." My recommendations are from studies in Nutritional Science, and include far more than just vitamins.
If you recall from my post #102, Jan 28th, I have two cancers myself. I AM A CANCER SURVIVOR, having subdued the disease for the past 15-years now. I share what I have learned from study and personal experience. Some of what I have shared comes directly from the Medical Chief-of-Staff, Dr. King, and also from Dr. Quillin, both at the Cancer Treatment Center of America, Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Edward, your comments are accurate, and much appreciated...:
> "Yes, very true. The additional Vitamins does - Stabilize - the Immune System, and other components...etc.
"And as we know, this will not heal Cancer, in general, which speak for itself,
not?"
For Robjna and anyone else interested in the SCIENTIFIC BASIS for supplements and nutritional balance in the treatment of cancer, I recommend the book: "ADJUVANT NUTRITION IN CANCER TREATMENT", by authors Patrick Quillin, PhD, RD, and R. Michael Williams, MD, PhD., with contributions from 14 additional Medical Doctorates, published under the auspices of "The Cancer Research Foundation" and "The American College of Nutrition." This is not light reading, and is intended for those with current background in the sciences.
To your Good Health
Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU?
J_rod7
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Indi
Member
Post Number: 187
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 02:58 pm: |
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Rod
You have totally missed the point that I was raising it seems - I am really disappointed. And that you continue to 'point' at me as though i am the enemy -- how ridiculous -
One of my qualifications is in Clinical Nutrition but that as well, has nothing to do with my comments - I was not commenting on the evidence base of what you wrote -- very disappointing Rod it seems you are stuck in one line of thinking.
Robjna |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 153
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 04:38 pm: |
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Robjna,
It seems YOU are stuck in one line of thinking.
I pass along a recommendation for a book, and you come back with: "I am really disappointed." Yada, yada. "-- how ridiculous" - indeed.! Please consider the global aspects of what is being discussed here on this forum. If this is not to your liking, then don't go away mad, just choose an alternative.
Go in peace
Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU?
J_rod7
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Badr
Moderator
Post Number: 318
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 05:04 am: |
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Hi Robjna and Rod,
Please resolve your disagreements privately, all Robjna wanted to say is that the forum is not a place to prescribe any medication or supplement or diagnosis of any illness. Which we moderators agree on and are working to make it clear that it should be done privately.
So next time any licensed health practitioner on the forum could provide an email address so a member can get the information needed through email.
Salome, Badr |
Alan
Member
Post Number: 177
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 05:48 pm: |
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Hi Robjna,
I thought you mentioned somewhere once that you were a psychologist?
Nevermind, I must have gotten you mixed up with someone else. I know theres a couple of psychologist round here, Jacob is one. |
Alan
Member
Post Number: 178
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 06:00 pm: |
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btw, i wonder where our cancerdoc new friend/member.
I'd been meaning to ask him a couple of questions on behalf of my friend because he'd be the main man to know/advice/help.
He was a nice speaking person too. |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 155
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 06:52 pm: |
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Greeting,
'If you are not contributing to the SOLUTION, you may be contributing to the PROBLEM.'
In peace
Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU?
J_rod7
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 1092
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 12:51 am: |
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Hi Rod.....
A couple of decades ago, I did once read of Dirk Benedict's(A-Team) 'healing'
of his Prostate Cancer when he was in his mid 20ties or so, though. Just by
eating according to a Japanese diet, or something, which consisted of brown
rice and fish, vegetables, etc. So, he followed the diet given to him by the
Japanese Natural Foods physician..as I can recall.
I guess, if his story is based on truth, his Prostate Cancer was just in it's
begin stage, which was able to be remedied.
So, it is said, that if Cancer is discovered at an early stage of it's
processing it can be healed. There has been many case in the past, as I can
remember. Thus, it all depends on which Stage it is in. But still, such cases
are very exceptional, I would think.
Edward. |
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