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    Bodhran Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 08-2008 |
Oops sorry for the double post pressed the wrong button before i was finished writing. Anyway if no one has any info other than Michael's site it dosen't really matter. I don't need convincing. The spirit teachings of Billy's ring true to me which is enough for me. I would ask people to read the posts carefully though before replying to questions in this section ( or others), I'm sure most of you do but you could easily offend well meaning researchers by making stupid accusations about their motives or character, and that can only hinder the mission. Salome Tony. | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 08-2008 |
Dear Moderators, I just noticed the long time differences between post approvals, my apologies for my impatience.  Salome Tony. | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 06-2008 |
Dear Tony: I noticed that you didn’t reply to me directly; I read that you are not a skeptic and were trying to get ideas to convince your brother that there is more evidence regarding the sound of the beam. I wasn’t defending the case, I just wanted to give you ideas to discuss with your brother because I went through doubts myself and have family members that are real skeptics. Like I said in my other post and hopefully you can give some feedback, there is a sound analysis made in the 70’s and is on youtube, I can send you the URL, so you can show this to your brother. By no means I tried to impose my ideas, but if I did, I apologize and I think your brother has a legitimate point of view. Marcela | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 294 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Tony, > "Steve Ambrose: Sound engineer for Stevie Wonder, inventor of the Micro Monitor radio set and speaker that fits inside Wonder's ear, analyzed the Meier sound recordings of one of the UFO’s as it hovered above him. Not only was he unable to duplicate the sounds with synthesizers, he found they created totally unique patterns on a spectrum analyzer and on the oscilloscope. Another sound engineer named Nils Rognerud corroborated Ambrose’s findings. Think about this for just a moment, these experts, using state-of-the-art equipment, were unable to duplicate the sounds and the unique patterns they generated." < Source: http://www.theyfly.com/PDF/Scientific%20Experts.PDF I know this, in itself, would not convince your brother (friends), but is worth sharing. Salome Segnen Sie dieses Haus im Friedens J_rod7 | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 690 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Bodhran ; Your'e right about my use of a ridiculous comparison , and no , I don't doubt that your brother has those issues with the technical evidence . I apologize for trivializing your question . Also you've hit the nail on the head when you detected a sense of impatience with the same kind of approach on behalf of many site visitors . Grumpy me today ! I'm beginning to think that I've a bad attitude about these things , so I thank you for refreshing my perception of the matter . I understand that the recording contains the sounds of several different ships , possibly that was overlooked before . Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi Marcela, My apologies for not replying to you, I have actually given my brother all of the information I have on the meier case which is pretty much everything you can purchase from theyfly.com unfortunately he is of the opinion that if one piece of evidence may be faked then none of the info is trustworthy which is not something I subscribe to. Hi J_rod, Thanks for that. Hi Michael , thank you for the mail. I intend to see he follows through with his claims so he can contemplate himself the importance of this case. Salome Tony. | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi Markc, Thank you for the apology, as I said I understand peoples frustration with continually trying to answer the call of fraud but most people I know have never heard of the Meier case and naturally when introduced to it try and find out information about it. What they come across first are the most vocal debunkers, or their remnants ,stating enequivocably that the case is a fraud with "their evidence" to back it up, (dinousaurs go go dancers ect.) they don't get much further than that in looking at the case. I think any current attempts to actually logically prove or disprove the real facts of the case should actually be encouraged as Michael Horn does repeatedly and his approach is successful as far as I can see,although more press coverage of the failed attepmts to debunk Billy Meier would be nice to counteract the 30 years of vicious attacks and outright lies and concocted evidence which has shaped public opinion (those that have come across it that is )on Billy's evidence. If as the Plejarans say, that the evidence was presented in such a way as to give skeptics an out, that should apply to all the evidence. I would bet that using the methods my brother mentioned you might produce something similar but digging deeper you would find differences that cannot be explained. Eg the video of Semjase's ship in flight , yes it looks like a model swinging from a pendulum, but any idiot can see the backwash from the ship on the top of the tree, impossible to duplicate unless you had an enormous invisible hair drier pointing at the top of the tree to create that effect Soooooo you can see why I was looking for accurate info on the equipment involved in order to recreate the event. I would say to any skeptics reading this, try starting with the logical, rational anaylsis of the best evidence, the original contact photo's and videos that have been authenticated by Billy and FIGU as genuine and not tampered with,leave the rest alone until you come to a conclusion about those. Salome Tony. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 295 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hi Tony, and to All - Salome, The very first book where I found out about the Billy Meier contacts, is the book "Lightyears" by the author Gary Kinder. Mr. Kinder is an investigative reporter who fairly and accurately presented both sides of the "Skeptic-Truth" arguments. I do think that Lightyears is still available at Amazon.com My search: www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Gary+Kinder&x=13&y=20 To follow-up, I recommend for you to purchase the DVD - The Silent Revolution of Truth, and watch with your brother. This DVD is available from: http://theyfly.com/ Salome Segnen Sie dieses Haus im Friedens J_rod7 | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 03-2003 |
Tony, Beside this recording, which had many witnesses present, it also should be mentioned that there exist many other witness statements before and after this one, which strongly point to an extraterrestrial craft being the source of the sound. This because the sound suddenly occurred when Billy was either appearing from or disappearing to a contact. For example in the summer of 1977, 3 years prior to the recording , two named witnesses were camping at the Center when the typical loud whirring sound occurred. They sourced the direction as coming from somewhere above in the sky. They also checked around and saw no loudspeakers or anything else mounted in the area as potential source. Then they suddenly saw Billy walking out from the forest and into the house. What is furthermore interesting here is that after Billy had gone into the house, then the sound slowly abated and shifted in a westward direction. Thus pointing to the source coming from a flying object in motion. And furthermore Billy confirmed to them that he just came from a contact….. In the summer of 1981, one year after the recording took place, another witness states that she drove Billy to a contact. As the car stopped at the destination and they walked out, the witness then saw, in a 300 m distance, a bright and shimmering light at the edge of the woods (it was Quetzals’ beam ship). Billy then started walking towards the light source and only two minutes after he so did, the witness heard the typical loud whirring sound. It was here later explained that sometimes when Billy enters the ship, the ship’s sound shield is opened too early, which was what happened in this case thus the witness was able to hear the sound just prior to Billy entering the ship.. Statements like these should not bee overlooked as they form important supporting evidence when judging the likely source of the sound and how it could have originated.. Because when this kind of evidence is also taken into account , coupled together with the professional test analysis undertaken by the sound engineers Steve Ambrose and Nils Rognerud, it’s hard to see how this in any way or form could have been faked. All the evidence only points one way in my opinion: It is the real sound from an extraterrestrial craft Regards Kaare | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi J_rod and Kaare, thank you both for that info, I'll try and get light years and I had not read your information before Kaare. Salome Tony. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 334 Registered: 03-2007 |
NASA radio recordings of Saturn’s rings detected by the Cassini Spacecraft Radio and Plasma Wave Science Instrument: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjUf69q4Bvk&feature=related Some segments of this recording sound similar to Billy’s sound recording of the Plejaren spacecraft. I’m not sure what the significance of that is exactly, I just found it very interesting. Perhaps some of these sounds actually do originate or echo from some alien spacecraft. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 691 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hola Bodhran ; Michael works very hard at a part of the mission that he alone is probably cut out for , so far . The beamship pendulum swinging over the tree is trying very hard to look like it's on a string . That's the whole point . Let me know if you would like an explanation , or someone else may write about it . It's psychological and strategic in a far-sighted manner . MC Mark Campbell | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi Marc, Sorry If I'm not explaining myself properly I was using the beamship movie as an example of "plausible deniability" as the Plejarans intended. I'm fully aware of the concept. Thanks again. Tony Salome Tony. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 694 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Tony ; Of course , but I wrote my response for those who would read your post and not know what you knew , no offense to you . MC Mark Campbell | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi Mark, None taken.  Salome Tony. | ||
Thiagoc New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2008 |
I have a question. People focus too much into evaluating the pictures of spaceships in order to figure out if they are real or not. But that doesn't tell anything about who is piloting them. Even if the spaceships are real, how can you be sure they are "aliens"? Judging by what I have read about Billy's case it seems to be a well crafted case of deception, not by one schizophrenic person, but by a group with certain interests who chose Billy to be the frontman. And that group I think it is formed by former Nazis that somehow got hold of that spaceship technology. Why do I think they are humans from this Earth? Because of what they promote: - Depopulation of the Earth to under 500 million; - Racial ideals (inbreeding, racial purity, etc); - Hitler was a good person; - Rampant anti-semitism; - The promotion of a "New World Order", i.e., a global socialist dictatorship where the society would be organized in a pyramidal structure, with a "royalty", or global government, at the top, local governments at the middle and subjects at the base. The "subjects" would be watched, controlled and told what to do and think; - The creation of a one world religion to replace the current religions in which the prophet would be Billy Meier; This way the complete control of society would be achieved, through the traditional way: the state the the religion. The state would be a global government strong enough to impose its will (militarily speaking) and the religion would be this new one whose prophet would be Billy. What do you think? I think most of the pictures of spaceships are real. I just don't believe those are alien spaceships. | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 04-2007 |
wow...where do i start first of all the rosetta stone is unknown from billy meier or he is not informed. if he wanted new world order it would with the peoples consent not just from a few ppl on the top. he has been shot at several times as ppl attempted to kill him at i think 21 times documented. billy repeatedly countless times that spirituality can NOT be confused with religion as religion there is a powerful being, as with billys teachings talked about creation as pure energy NOT a powerful being. billy provided endless amounts of information that beats nasa and other groups like those. if billy was the frontman for the NWO then why wouldnt he be all over the news??if the elitists wanted billy to represent them he surely would be given ALOT more air time. again why the assisation attempts, from governments around the world. the government is owned by private banks, since the bankers are the elitists why would they send hits to a man that is doing them a favor? do the research. btw hitler, no one has real proof other then it was confirmed that hitler shot himself as told from countless veterans which you dont hear ofcourse. They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 151 Registered: 07-2008 |
Liebe Kameraden, Please, allow me to come out of temporary Retirement to respond to this one(from the honorable Member Thiagoc; Post 2) with a philosophical Smile. Salome, Adam. | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 320 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Thiagoc nowhere in Billy´s info it is said that Hitler was a "good" person, on the other hand it is explained that: "The Giza Intelligences (which were an evil minded ET group) influenced Hitler through the Thule Society." and also: "It was his „mission“to unite all countries on Earth to a community of nations, but in a peaceful way and not through war and madness." ................... indeed certain Nazi group have disc shaped flying machines but as it has been explained by Billy and his friends, they are incapable of interstellar flight Anyway this group isnt interested in showing their "ships" (so it would be absurd to let someone to make pictures of them) because the governments of the different countries could seize them, so in fact they have tried to murder Billy because they felt threatened because of his knowledge of them. ............................... Now there´s also nothing racist in Billy´s info, it is only explained about interbreeding : "If this happens sparsely, it’s ok. But the mixing of races in great numbers will bring degeneration because of genetic effects." And this fact is well known by many doctors, for example we mexicans (that are a result of the massive mix) are affected more than other groups by certain diseases. .......................... Well, and i could continue with each point that you mention, but the truth is that right now i have some things to do. But i´m sure than anybody with genuine interest and thirst for the real truth can find out for themselves. Take care | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 09-2007 |
Thiagoc, The hypothesis you draw is interesting, but completely laughable to anyone who is well versed in this case. What you claim the plejarens promote results from a distorted reading, and it wouldn’t be hard to contend that you are making wrong interpretations. The only exception is the population part. They do claim that the ideal population for this planet would be 500 million (not necessarily less, though). Before anything else, I would inquire you about the inclusion of depopulation in this list. What does it have to do with the Nazi domination theory that you have thought of? It would be easier to control less people, is that it? What is so inherently terrestrial (or Nazi) about the depopulation proposals? David | ||
James Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 07-2005 |
Depopulation: Earth can't adequately support billions. We're not talking about killing off people, only less breeding. Racial Ideals: I have never read about the Plejaren or Billy promote inbreeding (incest?), or "racial purity". Hitler was a good person: No. Plejaren say he had some good ideas until he was manipulated through Thule and the Giza ET's. Anti-semitism: No. NWO: FIGU do not want the "NWO" which you are describing. One world religion: No. Welcome to Earth! | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 10-2007 |
I think you are wrong, the pyrimidal society which you described, including the subjects at the bottom is actually our current innefectual and unpeaceful one, and if you turn on any newscast, or read any newspaper in the world you will not see peace in any form, just an accident like a world war three just waiting to happen. As a matter of fact, an earthling could never drive those beamships as they are not peaceful nor evolved enough to handle it. I also do not think it would be possible for another earthling besides Billy who could generate written materials which offer one a feeling of peace and evolution which I can attest to somewhat... I have read plenty of FIGU materials in which they addressed Hitler and never said he was a good person. Just a thought. Corey | ||
Thiagoc New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2008 |
Well, the 500 million number is not a Nazi thing, but it is related to the NWO. I have read they have similar plans. And Nasa is designed to keep humans out of space, not the other way around. So I wouldn't be surprised if other humans or groups have scientific information more accurate than Nasa's. This guy has some good ideas about Nasa: http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/WeeklyRadioShowArchivesSubPage.HTM . I only think that the information the Plejaren give is not enough to prove their reality. This kind of thing has been done before. Please check the Urantia book. The Urantia book is a kind of Darwinistic and Eugenistic version of the Bible, with Aryan Jesus and all. It counts the beginning of life on Earth since this planet was created by "celestial beings" billions of years ago and then chosen to host life, initially in the form of unicellular creatures and later with animal and human life through evolution. Later it tells about the many prophets and Jesus and how things "really happened". So the whole story is told. It's overwhelmingly detailed with scientific information, although it is just BS. So, please check the Urantia book in order to understand what I mean. The sheer amount and detail of information is not enough, because most of it can't be verified by us in this life time. |
