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    Earthling Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 05-2008 |
Savio, can you point to where Billy answers that? I haven't been able to find anything. Also by 'legend', does he mean fiction or fact or some exaggerated mixture? | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 606 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Earthling It is easy  Goto the top of page, select [Search], type in ["Montauk Project"], find the answer within [The Mission: "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier: Your Questions to Billy Meier--Answered: ....]. By [legend], I think Billy means something without proof...hearsay.... Happy searching. Savio | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 324 Registered: 03-2003 |
It's my opinion that the Montauk Project is likely more a cover story for something else. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 05-2008 |
Thanks Savio & Ts | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 326 Registered: 10-2005 |
The people involved in the Montauk Time Travel Project, have no real proof. They show a bunch of capacitors for a 30 meter or 60 meter antennea that supposedly Duncan Cameron sat in front of dreaming of times in history which the adventurers would go forward or back in time with... Mind control via drugs is a more likely scenario... Duncan Cameron and Al Bielek are supposedly brothers but even though Al was born a year after Duncan they traveled from 1941 from the USS Eldridge to 1981 Norfolk VA. there is a forty year difference between them Al is older by 40 years. Very good story. It is a true story... in other words: a story, they've used the "Hollywood" modus operandi of basing it on a "true story" in other words, it's based on a story or legend, not something that is actually real. If you ask Al Bielek or Preston Nichols about it, they "think" it happened rather than "know" it happened. In other words it was deduced... Preston claims he worked twenty four hours a day and that's how he came to the startling conclusion he was being used on secret late night top secret projects... eh eh. Sounds like drugs to me... folks... According to the story Tesla did not want to be involved although his equipment was. Tesla was a moral man. To me it sounds like a phoney story to get people to change the direction of their focus which would thus allow us to be disuaded from oil dependancy. Not a good biz decision... If we find a technology that supercedes the oil industry, those selling this vile product will promptly go out of business. You think they play fair and this is not fair? Neither is war... yet... what are we doing in Iraq? The railroad industry was before the oil industry, it ran on water... and look where it is today... downsized and running on fossil fuel again. It takes 400 years of today's sunlight to create enough plant life to be covered by tons of earth over eons... to produce enough oil for one gallon of gasoline... Not sustainable. You can fantasize about "Traveling in Time" but still have to go to work using gasoline... clever. Which do you feel is a more likely mode of travel iin your lifetime? Keep um in the dark... fantasizing rather than thinking. | ||
Joe New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2008 |
is it possible for there to be more than one time line? The reason why I'm asking is 'cause before Billy Meier was born, Jmmanuel (wrongly known as Jesus) must have lived a life without ever meeting Billy Meier which I think would be time line 1. Whereas in time line 2, Jmmanuel lived a life where he had once met Billy Meier since Billy Meier was first born, then he went back into time to meet Jmmanuel. Is this correct or have I got it all wrong? | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 05-2008 |
interesting thought/question ! My guess; he met Billy who came back from the future, no different time lines ... but great question and perhaps some who knows can answer.?? CF?? | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 319 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hello Joe in this Contact Notes many things about time travel are discussed: http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dg9wd45_137f94pp9hn the translation came from here: http://www.myspace.com/billymeiercontactreports i hope it helps by the way does anyone knows the details about the experiment with some letters that Billy mentions?: "If, however, a time traveler materializes in the past or in the future and meets himself there, then this will also occur in the future when that time comes for the time traveler because the spirit, the spirit form of the time traveler respectively, likewise materialized from the future into the past or else into the future, depending on whether the trip was from the future to the past or from the past to the future. This happened, for example, when I traveled with Asket into the past and then also to the future, and it happened again when I performed the experiment with the letters, which I took to the post office in Hinwil two days into the past before the date of preparation." take care | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 103 Registered: 10-2007 |
Billy and Asket travelled back in time in her ship and they had to walk quite a ways to get near Jeruselum. They actually brought with them another wandering earthling who was also from 1953; a devout christian so he could make up his own mind about his decietful and irrational religion too. He also witnessed Billy leave behind his flashlight in ancient France. They want far into the past and the future, Billy followed up with a very touching letter in 1964 that was written in reflection describing why he had to pursue his mission much of it based on events he had witnessed on his trips with Asket, so we could change our thinking in time. Learn German so you can read KB one, as well as all other kontakts Billy had with the Plejeran , I know a lot of people feel Tesla was honorable but he partied with others, and lots of ideas were stolen from Nathan B. Stubblefield, a bearded and private farmer in America who was very skilled with magnetics among other things, who died in 1928, and the world suddenly began putting meters on everything and lots of people began making money and aggression was accelerated. Don't feel bad about being on the bottom though, in some cases in could mean the Bafath didn't like you. As for transportation currently we could use cars that charge their own batteries, which could be easily done, I would be driving a lithium scooter or moped but they are too expensive, then again no one said it would be easy maybe i'll make my own... Corey | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 02-2008 |
From reading the archives I would like to present my understanding of time travel, which of course may not all be correct: - There is travelling to another dimension of space and time, such as to where the Plejaren are located. - There is travelling to the past or future of a particular dimension, such as staying in our dimension and travelling back to 3000 years ago. When in the past or future, a strong energy field needs to be maintained to prevent the time traveller from going back to his/her original time. It is only possible to be in the past or future for a short amount of time, because the energy required to maintain a long or permanent trip doesn't exist. By default, the time traveller's vibration and corresponding time configuration is out of sync with the target time. This generates a field of his/her own time around him/herself which appears like a diver suit. This causes the time traveller to not be seen by anyone as well as not being able to get attacked by anyone/interact with anyone. The time traveller can however see all the native people of that time. With technology, it is possible for the time traveller to sync his/her vibration and corresponding time configuration in with the target time. This enables the time traveller to be seen by native people and interact with native people of the target time. Theoretically, it is thus possible for the time traveller to be killed, however Creation does not want two spirit forms of the same lineage to share the same time, even if one is alive (currently incarnated) and the other in the beyond. Because of this, a security creative force would prevent this illogicality/paradox from happening by blocking the time travellers death/making it so the death does not occur. The Plejaren do not understand how this occurs yet. What is understood though, is that it is impossible for true illogic to occur, and theoretically if it did; the creation would automatically have never existed from the beginning. If a time traveller goes near and meets/interacts with the present incarnation of his/her spirit in the past or future, even if it is during the same incarnation of the time travellers' spirit; the different vibrational levels between the two spirits of the same lineage would cause a state of being that is not anticipated by creation (not naturally natural?) which causes creation to correct it with creative forces, however this does not happen instantaneously. The interaction can last for a short amount of time until creative forces correct the abnormal state of being, and (if I understand it correctly) the amount of time the interaction can last for depends on the level of development of the spirits. If one travels to the past, all interactions, objects left behind etc. happen/have happened also in the present's past. This means one could find something they left for themselves to find in a travel to the past (of which the actual travel to the past wouldn't have necessarily happened yet) and could get a visit from themselves or future incarnation if in the future they do that (as what would've happened to Jmmanuel). From all of what I have read about time travel, there is one thing I don't understand due to it conflicting with the information I read on creation wanting each spirit to stay in it's original time: From Scott's post #1223: "As I understand it the spirit would then continue to live its life forward from the point in time where it had its last physical life. In this case if you went back in time and died in the 1600's, you would then start your next life somewhere during that time period." I have also heard Billy say something like that from an interview he had with Randolph Winters. Anyway if there is anything I wrote which is wrong feel free to correct me, I am just getting my thoughts together on time travel because I find it interesting. By the way is there any books which explain time travel? Reece Stiller | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 388 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Reece, Nice summary. I'm not sure of this, but I think Billy or the Ps said that upon dying in the past the spirit would still be in that time but would wait until the time caught up with the spirit's before the spirit would incarnate again. i.e. traveling from 2008 back to 1600 and dying there the spirit would wait four hundred years until 2008 before the spirit would incarnate due to the spirits frequency being of the 2008 frequencies. Basically it waits until the old world catches up with it -- a long wait if going back to prehistoric times and dying there. Any clarification here? | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 02-2008 |
So unless there is also another type of time travel which does not behave like an intrusion, I don't understand how someone could die in the past and reincarnate there. It would work if the person simply dies in another dimension though (eg. Plejaren come to Earth and die), however that is not an actual travel into the past or future, it is into the present of another dimension of space and time. Reece Stiller | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 02-2008 |
I just made another post before I saw your reply pop up Cpl ^ What you say makes sense, it is just that from Hans' post on the German forum, it is suggested that it is impossible for a time traveller to die in the past or future, because of two reasons: - Creation doesn't want two spirits of the same lineage to share the same time, even if one is in the beyond (which I presume is where the time travellers' spirit would stay until time caught up to it's original present if he did actually die) and the other currently incarnated. - Creation would prevent this event/paradox from happening, thus making it impossible to occur. I would suspect that even if the time traveller went so far into the past that his spirit did not yet exist at that time the same rules would apply, because the paradox would inevitably occur in the future then when his spirit is created. So either what Billy says about someone dying in the past is purely theoretical, there is something I didn't interpret properly from what I've read, there's another type of time travel which behaves differently (which I don't is so), or there is something I am missing. Reece Stiller | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 546 Registered: 07-2004 |
I've watched the interview that Billy did with Mr. Winters and did hear Billy say it was possible to die in a travel to the past. Reece, when you say it is 'suggested that it is impossible', what do you mean exactly by that wording? This is definitely an unclear point. There are different forms of time travel and each has it's limits and intricacies based on the type of technology. Your summary is well done, thanks for your sharing. Salome, a friend in america Shawn | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 465 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Reece, i think you have made a good revision/summary of time travel process and its multiple possible scenarios. There may be some areas that cannot be described nor explained correctly, otherwise we all would be nobel prize winners in the physics category, or extraterrestrial scientists.....Anyway what you have summarized is quite accurate and enough food for thought. We do not need to now more about that topic at this point (year 2008). Billy has written at least one book about this topic "Flugreisen durch Zeit und Raum", ufology and hints to science are part of the teachings, but what really matters is the relation of Man towards the universe (The Creation) and Man's understanding of how Creation manifests itself through the "Laws and Commandments of Creation". You mentioned one of those laws...The Creation needs logic, coherence, absence of absurdity, absence of paradoxes, absence of undetermination in order to survive. Anything which is incomplete/relative (not absolute) and has not reached perfection yet (unlike the Laws and Commandments, which are just perfect and infallible) cannot be integrated/fused with The Creation. According to my interpretation, Creation and its manifestations are 100% unfallible, logic, unchangeable, perfect and absolute. Best regards | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 02-2008 |
My German is currently not very good, but the specific part of Hans' post which made me think it is impossible to die in the past is this sentence: "Das bedeutet, dass ich zwar theoretisch - weil ich materiell in einer anderen Zeit vorhanden bin auch getötet werden könnte, dieser Vorgang einer Tötung jedoch durch die Schöpfung selbst verunmöglicht wird." Anyway thanks for your replies Shawn and Hector. Reece Stiller | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 380 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hallo, The book "Flugreisen durch Zeit und Raum" was written by Guido Moosbrugger, not Billy. He has been an almost lifelong friend so... he is aligned with him... I disagree that Creation needs "absence of paradoxes" sounds somewhat anthropomorphic (human-like)do you have a source for that information? Am also interested in where the German language comment about how it is impossible to die in another time came from... Happy Holidays | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 02-2008 |
I have one last thing to say regarding dying in the past or future: Apart from it being impossible according to Hans' post, the logic of dying in the past could only apply to the past, which further makes me think being able to die in the past is purely theoretical: If someone were to apparently die in the past and their spirit stay there until time caught up with it's original present, that could not happen if they died in the future, because it is already ahead of the present. Due to this illogic, I further doubt this from being possible as I do not see logic in an exclusive law for being able to die in the past. (hmm.. I sounded a bit serious) Reece Stiller | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 467 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Rarena i wrote "according to my interpretation"...so what i wrote is just a personal elucubration. No dogma, it is my point of view, my own, reduced understanding of the entity we call "creation". For me, absence of paradoxes means absence of contradiction in the Laws and Commandments of Creation. From my point of view, in the Laws and Commandments there is no place for incompletion, incoherence, illogic, conflict, discrepancy, doubtance, incertainty etc etc...In my opinion, the essence of what composes those creational processes does not tolerate incompletion and imperfection. This is just what I interpret and extract from having read some of Billy's books like "Existentes Leben im Universum" and the Contact Notes. Regards | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 553 Registered: 07-2004 |
If one travels to the past and is killed by a Woolly Mammoth trying to protect it's young, your dead. Period. If you travel to the past and meet yourself and a truck runs you over and kills you, your dead. The moral of the story is,' Don't be caught dead there'. If you can die in the past, you can live in the past. Probably this is put to simply, but what the heck do I know. Salome, a friend in america Shawn | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 218 Registered: 10-2008 |
if one travelled to the past and was killed by a wooly mammoth, than that being a past event, and him being dead, how would he have been able to be in the future to travel into the past in the first place? Paradox my friend! "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 219 Registered: 10-2008 |
Time travel has always been a paradox to me. there are simply too many illogical paradoxs that can occur and baffle the mind when trying to contemplate. I understand that there is physics involved with time and space that are beyond our understanding but common sense and logic are timeless. Logic would seem to suggest that time travel is not something that creation would accommodate because of its illogical ramifications. I know that the Plejaren and BEAM have confirmed its possibility and I am not familiar yet with these teachings, but if I am taught to apply logic to recognize creational laws and guides than I cannot understand time travel fitting into truth. if you die today you will not be in the future to come back to this day to avoid it, and if you die in the past should not the same physics apply? How could one be in the future to travel back in time to die and then have not existed in the future in the first place. These paradoxes as some would call them are mere illogic to me. IMHO And illogic is not something that I use as a guide to discovering truths. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 382 Registered: 10-2005 |
Good discussion... my favorite subject... ahhh... to travel in time... an experience I aspire to...  My understanding... feeling... is you can die in the past... Having not read Hans' post on the German forum, but having read in the contact notes that it is indeed possible (do not have an exact reference with me since I read about it too long ago before I took notes) and that event has indeed occcured. It seems logical and in line with Creation that having two entities in the same time-space would cause a tremendous natural-creative force to be apart... similarily as two singularities (black holes) within the same space-time would be... Then again... Nostradamus mentioned himself as being himself although there were many aspects of himself throughout time... He would concentrate/meditate for hours for a single minute of the future-time. We reincarnate for a reason... can you imagine if... in a previous life you were an entity whom you could not fathom in this lifetime as being palatable... yet in the previous life was you? One reason for reincarnation I think... is to wipe the slate clean, to start anew... with no preconcieved ideas, values or prejudices...in order to learn an unfettered aspect of ourselves we could not learn effectivly with the attributes we carry in this life... The people who were instrumental and valuable in our lives in this life... previously... and have passed into the great beyond... are still with us in spirit. Their being, knowledge and wisdom gleaned through a lifetime of coarse matter experience has made an impression upon our Psyche and their teachings have made an impression upon our evolution passing further... to higher levels... making life just a little bit more clear and a little bit more bearable with each and every passing life. By meeting with an more-evolved aspect of ourselves without going through the actual coarse matter experience for ourselves... takes away from the impact and value of the lesson so it makes logical sense that leaving less impact on the lesser experienced aspect of ourselves... In other words: we don't learn as well or as fully... in that artificialy induced coarse-matter-life. In the fine-matter-life, we of course... add this lesson to our fine matter knowledge and experience which makes the spiritual (fine matter)side of us become more endowed... although the coarse matter apparatus that is ourselves... misses the experience... Maybe the UFO's we've seen are indeed our future selves observing and enjoying the process we find... at this time less bearable... and saying... "Ah hah... now I see why I had to go through that experience..." Behold Creation. Nothing is gained in the coarse matter experience from easily begotten knowledge. It must be experienced, studied and practiced (experiential) in order to be fully appreciated and learned... which then becomes wisdom and eventually power. Salome: Greetings in Peace and Wisdom... |
