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    Phenix Member Post Number: 152 Registered: 07-2008 |
Honorable Kamerad Thiagoc, In response to your Post 4, i will say that i came across the Urantia Book, a Couple of Months ago, while gathering Information on my Path towards the Spiritual Teachings des Herrn Meier and the Mission - by the 'Wingmakers', if i am not mistaking. I however see no Grounds to draw the Conclusion you suggested or to follow the Suggestion you made. Personally, i have found myself by the Spiritual Teachings des Herrn Meier and i really would not mix up these Teachings with nothing else, which has been before or currently is - i am yet to find a Reason to rationally do so. Good Luck with your own Quest! Salome, Adam. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 105 Registered: 10-2007 |
the Nazi ships also could have never been made like the metal samples that were probed, or contained thilium. Nor could they have ever left the stratosphere to thus then allow Billy to be taken to Mars to take photographs or any of the other scientific information in which Billy wrote about first which could have only been known by a non-Nazi party who could travel in space who is interested in our planet's inhabitants to learn how to evolve: http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Flying-Saucers-German-Second/dp/1931882134/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1227883766&sr=1-1 http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash4/frhnr01.htm Corey | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1240 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Thiagoc.... Welcome to the FIGU board! I think most of the regular boardees, here....have informed you quite clearly with their insight(s) of the facts, as they are...to your questions. The Book of Urantia, is nothing more than a Cult Religious concept based on Non Sense and False concepts, as Billy and the Plejarans have stated a number of times. I my self, have read some of it in the past, due to it was quite 'in' at the time back in the 70ties; and I did not....feel attracted to its contents, and thus...never finished reading it all, which I found was a waste of my time. So, my senses did not fail me! [The parts of the puzzle in the book do not fit where they should fit! So, it is just a book with contents which was generated through someone's Fantasies, with a touch of Cult Religious Non Sense; just another Novel!] Many in my surroundings did fall for it, alas to say, but again, that is their Free Will and Self Determination...for that Out-Come. In what Billy brings to Light is NOT of the persona named - Jesus -, but we speak here of: Jmmanuel! Best for you to get that right, as first priority! And there are certainly NO comparisons with what Billy mentions, with the book of Urantia! Billy has ALL THE PROOF to back him up(Material as well as Prophecy and Prediction factors/aspects), and this...we can NOT SAY....of the book of Urantia, and others like-wise; it be litterateur or personas. Thus, you are really 'confused' in your concepts, I would say. And thus, jump to the wrong conclusions. Best you preview Billy's materials in a much more Positive Light, if you will? From your posting, it is simple and clear, that you have NOT really deepen yourself into ALL of Billy's materials, or just do not understand and comprehend: "What Is and What Is Not", and thus, can NOT grasp it as of yet...and As It IS. Please do some more reading and research, if you will. It takes Years(if not: Decades!)...for One to fully Understand and Comprehend and Grasp...what Billy is trying to get across to mankind, today; it be the Spirit(ual) Teachings and all related including past history events, etc.... "Rome was not built in one day...", as they say. Pleasant Studying.... Edward. | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 241 Registered: 08-2007 |
Thiagoc, For some Reason my earlier Post about this Matter was censored, but the stated -positive- Objects of the Illuminati (such as the N.W.O., Population Reduction and Control, World Policing, etc.) are also to be considered when one thinks that one should 'crusade' against 'the New World Order' or other such Non-Sense. The Illuminati are only in Control because the Population is so out of control, desirous of worshipful Authority Figures, victim-mentalitied, and divisive, etc. It is extremely foolish to believe that the Illuminati are just 'evil' and mischievous like Gremlins or the like. They are in CONTROL of the Planet Earth, and are not interested in fully destroying this Planet. Overpopulation is actually the World's Biggest 9-11, as in, a huge Staged Crisis created by intensional Lack of proper Control of Population Size by the Government, and promotion of Population Growth by Religions. It is also only because of Overpopulation that there is a massive White Slave Trade involving young Children who are sexually abused and murdered, which supplies the Ritual Activities of the Illuminati with a reliable Inflow of Victims. It also supplies Political Controllers with necessary Compromise. Persons like Alex Jones who imagine the Illuminati to be all evil and believe in unworkable conservative Economics are in my View criminally ignorant and irresponsible. I blame Christianity and Conservatism for their Foolishness. You are thinking very illogically about the World Situation, Scientific Facts, and the like, and should strongly reconsider your foolish Position on Billy's Mission and your simplistic, hollywood Image of the Illuminati. Further, with Reguard to 'rampant anti-semitism', you clearly have no Clue what Israel in Fact is--namely, a Collaboration between Nazis, the Vatican, certain Jews, and Tibetan Buddhists to create a New World Religion. 'Respected' Rabbis have openly deemed Hitler to be an 'Avenging Angel of God' who was eliminating the non-zionist Jews of Europe for the Good of Israel. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 242 Registered: 08-2007 |
Thiagoc, You also seem to believe in Democracy, and that any Kind of Hierachy is bad. Such a Belief System is in Fact pure Mind-Control designed to facilitate Secret Control of e.g. the USA by a Shadow Government which is not held responsible for its Actions. True Democracy can ONLY exist when nearly all Citizens are intelligent and informed. This is not the Case in any of the CIA's 'Democracies' around the World. That centralised Power and a World Police Force are necessary is in Fact partly the Consequence of the complete Breakdown of Traditional Culture which the Earth has experienced in the past few Centuries. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 128 Registered: 05-2008 |
http://meiercase.0x2a.info/meiercase/001/article.php?id=59 Does anyone know of the outcome of the above photographed painting? Did someone attribute that photo to Meier so they could accuse him of being a liar and hoaxer? | ||
Mattopenminds New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2008 |
With all the activity that's been going on around Billy, why is the evidence stemming from this, i.e., the photos, metal samples, details, etc, so skant and controversial? If all these things happened to Billy, he, and his companions should have been able to collate stacks of undeniable evidence. Examples: No photographs of the sealed jar containing the Talmud J or the scrolls themselves. I don't mean to disrespect Isa Rashid but if my life were under threat the first thing I would do is photograph the scrolls for prosperity, and then send parts of the scrolls to many different scholars for carbon dating, not spend time translating them with homicidal maniacs on my tail. No photographs of Billy entering a beamship. Not one. No photographs of the Plejaren. The ones of Semjase and friend were manipulated. The extraterrestrial holding the laser gun is always cut off from the photos available to the public, why? No evidence of Billy's meeting with Jmmanuel. I would have asked Jmmanuel for a swab, a photo, or even some of the scrolls from that time so that they wouldn't have been able to be stolen and changed in the way that they were. After all, at that time he had the best getaway vehicle in the universe and no-one but Billy and J would have known about evidence taken - giving him plenty of time to validate it at his leisure. No clear movie footage. All the footage is grainy. With all that lovely Swiss countryside and UFO visits surely there could have been at least one amazing film that shows UFOs coming from far away up to the camera very close, then landing with one of the Plejarens stepping out? No movie footage of the laser gun being fired. No further tests done on the metal samples and sound recordings which as far as my research takes me have been tested only once. This list could go on but I think I've made my point. I would love Billy's story to be true, because we so desperately need it to be true, but that doesn't mean we can ignore these types of questions and not demand scientific data to back up the story of the millennia. If what Billy is saying is true about religion being all lies then we must ensure that we start a new understanding backed to the hilt with serious evidence which i feel is missing in all this, which is such a shame. It won't stop me from reading about Billy but it will keep me questioning. Perhaps Billy has held some evidence back for prosperity, or the good stuff has been stolen, which I would understand, but I can't understand why through all of these events, better evidence is not available. Any thoughts anyone? | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 718 Registered: 10-2000 |
You might start by reading everything at http://www.theyfly.com. That includes the photo and sound analysis, comments by scientific experts, patent info on Vogel, etc. Also, the 8 films are actually in fairly good viewing condition (FIGU has them on a DVD). Read all the articles about the failed skeptical challenges, the prophetically accurate info in published books, etc. and especially read the info as to why proof positive - like just hovering over the major cities of the world, etc. - isn't offered up on a plate for people. Then you might also try yourself to duplicate Meier's evidence, since you're quick to want more and better but apparently unaware of how amazing the existing evidence really is. As I said, that would be a start. Michael Horn | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 03-2007 |
Mattopenminds, The questions you ask are valid and are questions that require a gut check. This may help. http://www.tjresearch.info/denial.htm | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 272 Registered: 10-2008 |
If the nay sayers had been able to disprove any of this they would have certainly done so. Their inability to completely disprove the Meier case only benefits its possible authenticity. However the Ufology aside, the spiritual teachings are still quite amazing. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 148 Registered: 05-2008 |
Mattopenminds - there is far far far far far x(n10) , more evidence in the 'Meier Case' than there is, nor ever was, regarding Jesus Christ, Iraq WMD, Adam & Eve, etc. Not that we want to replace one faith based, gigantic leap of faith, belief with another; which is all the mind controllers of this world attempt to do and have ever done, to keep enough humans under some sort of mind enslavement, whereby they can continue to hold power and position in this world, over their fellow humans of intrinsic equal value. Sure, it would be nice if the BBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, TASS, AJ or some other world recognized alphabet soup media organization, could get together with Billy and his Plejaren friends, to document beam ship flights, travels in time and in the universe, etc. As Michael will attest, not even Larry King will invite Billy's American Representative on his show. Billys work and mission is a threat to the cornerstone of the worlds organizations who pay the bills for any corporation who finds the balls to investigate, document and broadcast Billy's work. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 475 Registered: 04-2006 |
The plejaren say the people who are desperately seeking for evidence and physical proof are not mature enough to be confronted with the spiritual teachings. They think way too much in a material way. It's the message what really matters. People who can be really helpful to Billy and the Plejaren will analize the contents and not the envelope. People who think spiritually will ponder, think about incredible things like faster than light space travel, time travel, other human civilizations out there, the meaning of life and death, existence of "Gods" vs. The Creation etc etc and they will not give importance to evidence and physical proof since that is a minor, accessory nonessential part of the spirit teachings. If you reject such amazing information about extraordinary things like time travel, space travel, reincarnation, Gods/The Creation, Life and Death just because you are not served with evidence and physical proof, then you are not ready to think spiritually, you are still trapped in a material way of thinking. There are many things in the universe that cannot be perceived through the 5 senses and people have to begin to rely on their "sensor"/empfindung/understanding, common sense etc etc in order to enter a higher stage of their consciousness evolution. The time for convincing people about socalled "truth" using miracles, wonders, pics, vids and audio is over. Billy and The Plejaren consider now the time requires study, selfdiscipline and selfmotivation in order to advance to a higher level. Take it or leave it. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 199 Registered: 07-2008 |
Verehrte Moderators and Kameraden, salome! Anyone who can write "The Desiderata" is 'good enough' for me. Cheers! - prosit! Adam. | ||
Gib_niner Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 06-2006 |
hey folks - well for a start just to say that i'm.. pro the case! however stumbled upon something recently - that seems to be quite peculiar... and in the interest of further exploring/examining the case when sunshot photo '164' is compared to that of '174' - there appears to be missing branches with respect to photo 164! ie the following..  ok these photos are matching up very well - however there appears to be a problem insofar as in respect to 164, roughly where the black arrow is, - there should be more of that branch reaching up as is it is in regard to picture 174 - should there not?! seems to be an unusual one. admittedly the craft has moved somewhat both UP and to the LEFT i.e. looking at 174 - it has moved both up and left a bit in order to get to the position that it is in in regard to 164 - nevertheless - it seems to me that there still should be some more of that branch - seems as if a part of it at the top has somehow vanished! could the glare or overall glint of sun be strong enough to have that effect - i would say myself unlikely as most of the other banches are showing up fairly ok in spite of there being a strong glare - could there be something else i haven't thought of...? ok - like i said - curioud one - maybe something to munch on.. | ||
Gib_niner Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 06-2006 |
hey folks just another pict to further illustrate the point...  | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 06-2008 |
Gib_niner: Are you saying that 164 and 174 are the same picture? To me the # 164 is flying higher.. that's all. Look at the main tree brunch, it has shifted to the left, because the ship moved, and the sun in 164 is to the right , not on top... Salome | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 405 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Gib, Your second picture seems to show what has happened here. If you measure from the beginning of your arrow in 164 to where the lowest branch bends almost at right angles at the bottom you get a distance of 22mm. In picture 174 this is about 24mm. The ship, however, is the same size in both, 41mm. This suggests, as has often been reported, that the tree branches could be moving in the wind or breeze, especially those farther out on the limb, like the one in your initial question. If you take into account this approximate 10% difference in measurements then the branch or twig in question would come just about at the edge of the ship, as in your first montage. So it wouldn't be seen in the sky anyway. What interests me is why it isn't visible in front of or following the rising silhouette of the ship/craft when certain subtle craft tones and details are visible. Or are these branches visible in front or alongside of the craft in the better photographs? If not the skeptic would argue that the ship is in front of the tree rather than behind it; but, could it be that in making the ship visible to Billy it clears a path of vision in front of it thus making the branches seem to disappear? I haven't heard of such an effect mentioned before, and a closer examination of the original and perhaps questioning Billy on it would seem to be in order to confirm which is the case. Best, Chris | ||
Gib_niner Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 06-2006 |
hi marcela - no not saying that it is the same picture - yes the craft has moved but even with that - it would appear that still there is degree of branch(es) missing. hi cpl - ok I may as well redirect you to the page where i stumbled on this.... http://www.thebiggestsecret.org/forum-en/viewtopic.php?t=2185&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=billy+meier+financed&start=75 (scroll down to the end to see the bit about the branches) have been engaged in debating with one of the skeptics for a while - its grown to be fairly large at this stage! - in the beginning i was just aghast at his absurd conclusions and simply felt compelled to voice some counter-arguments - always wanted to stop responding but every time he would come back with something so stupid that a contrary position simply had to be offered up! I really shouldn't bother anymore - its such a waste of time - the guy is a lost cause really - mainly has been something to do at the weekends and kindof got dragged into it more and more - but i am actually sick of it at this stage - and do for a fact want to concentrate on the spiritual info. more so. anyway - usually it has been easy to counter his arguments because they mostly lack any real solid base - however - as you have rightly surmised - now this notion of missing branches - equating to the film being tampered with - equating therefore with the idea that the ship is in front of the tree..is a new focus that is being pushing.. anyway in regard to your point - hmmm - not sure - i am just confused on this issue of the missing branches - the way i see it its hard to factor in how wind would be responsible for the discrepency - anyway you get a better idea of it at that page - and indeed your very astute notion.. "why it isn't visible in front of or following the rising silhouette of the ship/craft when certain subtle craft tones and details are visible. Or are these branches visible in front or alongside of the craft in the better photographs?" is touched on.. ok Saalome | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 722 Registered: 10-2000 |
Sometimes some amazing things are staring us right in the face and we don't notice them. In this series of photos, one should notice the presence of parts of 4 - 5 barren branch trees. Now, nobody has been able to produce a model of any of the trees with leaves that the skeptics claims are model trees (and they claim that Meier used model UFOs as well)...let alone a barren branched one. Why not? Also, keep in mind that there are about five photos in the series, with the craft some distance from the trees as well as close to them.To make the hoax premise work, the trees would have to be barren branch models, placed on either side of the hill and very close to the camera, which clearly isn't the case. As a matter of fact, since the barren branches can be seen at some distance from the camera, it's obvious that these are substantially sized objects, so the UFO has to also be a large object. If someone tries to argue that it's a small model, as the foolish skeptics do, it's incumbent upon them to duplicate the photos or, at the very least, to produce such model trees...and place them in such a manner that the tops of the trees can be seen coming up from behind the hill, in addition, and relatively close, to the tree that the craft hovers next to, etc. And they should also produce a model of the same detail and workmanship as the UFOs in Meier's evidence. To date, not one photo of a model UFO next to a model tree have been presented by any of these armchair geniuses to even begin to support their premise...not one. If you read the various articles on my site about how the skeptics have failed completely you will get an idea of just how impenetrably dense and in denial they are. I think the guy you're debating with is Jean-Louis and he demonstrates a phenomenal ability to dwell in denial. It so happens that James Deardorff had recently written to me about these photos. Regarding trying to prove anything from photos, Deardorff wrote:: "A couple of those Hasenbol photos come very close, though, by showing that one or two limbs of the deciduous tree do pass in front of the craft. And the photo of that tree when in leaf is in the Elders's Vol. 1, a few years before Swiss authorities cut it down. I've posted an image from photo #175 that Jeroen Jansen once expanded into best viewing, seen now in Fig. 8b of www.tjresearch.info/hasenbol.htm . The emphasized consideration now is that a slant view of the upper surface of the craft's flange definitely does show up, because it reflects the bluer sky directly above the craft, in contrast to the white-yellow background sky near the horizon, where one's line of sight looks through a lot more smog and haze illuminated by the sun, than does an overhead line of sight. And against this pale blue one or two thin tree limbs on the far left can definitely be seen to cross over in front of it." Michael Horn | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1277 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Hector..... Yes, very well put! And to say, that the people also Fear...the Unknown. The mass will just not step over the Threshold, so to speak. And as Billy mentioned many times: it would be a Bitter Pill....for them to swallow. BITTER, it is indeed! I guess, they would rather have a sweet Kiddy Aspirin, to swallow.... Edward. | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 06-2008 |
Gib_niner: I see what you mean; in picture # 164 the branch seems to have banished, but I think that with the glare of the sun, the branches have become almost transparent, and any remain of visible branch has become invisible to the naked eye. I think it is a common effect of pictures taken against the sun. And also, if you measure how much the ship has moved, the branch has blended with the contour of the ship. This is of course my amateur analysis; Michael Horn has a very professional explanation, but thank you for the link because it is always important to clear this type of conjectures. Hector and Edward: I agree with you both. When I first saw the pictures, I said to myself…could this be real, we are seeing ships from another planet.. etc, but what convinced me, were the prophecies and predictions of Billy Meier. He was so incredibly accurate that I didn’t need to see one more picture, really. However, we still need a person that will make the professional analysis to prove skeptics of the veracity of the evidence, because it is one more way to gain people to get in touch with the case in a positive way. So thank you Michael. Salome | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 578 Registered: 10-2007 |
.... I would suggest to such skeptics = read, study, ponder, think about the true meaning of that which is given in the Contact Notes, for starters. Such ones which are only here for their own amusement, which do NO EFFORT to learn for themselves, are not worthy yet for Spiritual progress. Those which have not understood that they are responsible for themselves, cannot accept anything further of Truth. IMO, such ones are a waste of Time. It does no good to coddle such ones. You could offer them pure Honey on a Golden spoon, but they would choke on it. .... You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Gib_niner Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Michael, Wow - I had completely neglected to overly dwell on that point of it being a barren tree - therefore making it much more unlikely to be a miniature one - funny how something so obvious can go flying over someone's head at times!!! Its far too realistic to be a miniature one with those thick branches and thick tree trunk - also the other points about the other tree jutting op behind the drop. ALso O.M.G. fig. 8b is a godsend!! (or that is to say ..Creation-send)- definitly strong ammunition to say the least. I think i had seen this one ages ago somewhere but then forgot about it..usually its the other two sunshot photos that are more readily posted about the place online. So thats great - lifesaver pict.. Prob will post one or two more responses and call it quits - its too much of an annoyance to have to deal with this aggravating feller..these skeptics that have the blinkers on are a breed onto themselves! - & is no easy thing at all to have to deal with these fellers - draining lastly, still however - somewhat confused on the initial point - one wonders where those missing branches have got to! in terms of picture 164 compared to 174 - where in heavens can they be?! wind factor i suppose in the end - hmmm still not sure though...puzzling indeed.. ok cheers. gib. | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 116 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Michael, Thank you for your objective, methodical, and purely logical tips/facts every time. Salome Zhila, Thank you Billy. |
