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    Kingman Member Post Number: 556 Registered: 07-2004 |
Pathfinder, "Paradox my friend!" The past is done. When your born, your born. That day gets left in the past. But you are now alive. Travel back to the past and get killed, your dead. You've already be born, it's in the records of the past, YOU CAN'T CHANGE THAT. You can still go back as you, the man of now, and get KILLED. No paradox. You as you will not return to the present as a live person, they may take your corpse back, but you would be DEAD! DEAD! DEAD! Am I right, can't tell for sure, but I THINK I'm pretty close. Only because I know when you die, it's not a dream, you die. There's my logic, rolled out to make a pizza pie of thin crust, extra cheese, mushrooms, green peppers, and maybe some real good pepperoni! a friend in america Shawn | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 389 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Shawn, I think Pathfinder realizes that (your post 556). I think what he finds as paradoxical is that since you've now died in the past how can you have been born in the present -- or will be born -- in the future since you died in the past and your spirit is now there. Pathfinder, in the example given: When the spirit catches up with the present (from where you went back) perhaps it will again incarnate in a body like the one previously (it cannot be exactly identical) and spirit impulses this time will prevent the future you from going back; yet you did go back and so would have to go back? (Billy has hinted somewhere that this future commitment is so, that if person A experiences person B coming back from the future then it commits person B to come back in the future as viewed from A's perspective. Obviously I'm paraphrasing here.) If you had to go back and die again there would be an endless paradoxical loop so that obviously wouldn't apply. If you just don't have to go back, that makes it difficult -- or impossible -- for the past experience to have happened so that is a very unlikely scenario. You could perhaps go back and not be killed this time? Perhaps because you were killed there before. This might suggest another time line, but it would really be two separate lives of your own one where you die in the past and one where you learn to do it right and don't die there in the past. Perhaps the commitment doesn't extend as far as having to die in the past; it may only relate to things left behind and things instigated -- if any -- that cannot be changed, like meeting someone (or like Billy's torch being left behind). If being trampled on by the dinosaur is physical enough to have to be repeated then it is something that Creation presumably would never allow to happen in the first place. Maybe you'd just be slammed back into the present, somewhat like we are sometimes slammed back from a dream in the armchair? Not that Creation is doing the latter. Chris | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 02-2008 |
To my knowledge there's only one timeline, so if someone were to actually die in the past it would be like this: Someone from 2008 travels back to the year 1008. The time traveller dies in 1008 and his spirit goes to the beyond. His spirit remains in the beyond for 1000 years until it is 2008 again (original time) and can then begin to reincarnate again. This means that in the years 1008 to 2008, there existed two spirits of the same lineage: - The native spirit of the time traveller's from 1008 to 2008 which naturally incarnated. - The future time traveller's spirit which remained in the beyond since he died in 1008 until time caught up to it's original time (2008) to then be able to reincarnate again. The above is what will happen (to my knowledge) if someone were to die in the past. The same logic cannot however be applied if someone were to die in the future, because the future is already ahead of the present thus it would be a paradox. It is unclear how it is possible to die in the past because according to Hans: - It is impossible to remain in the past or future forever (which would be so if one died in the future with the same logic applied to dying in the past). - Creation doesn't want two spirits of the same lineage to share the same time. It wants them be in their original time. - Even if one of the spirits of the same lineage is currently in the beyond and the other incarnated in the same time, that cannot happen. - There is a security creative force which prevents a time traveller from dying in the past or future. My post #50 and Hector's post #280 sums up Hans' post quite well. However, Billy in an interview with Randolph Winters has said that it is possible to die in the past, and according to Rarena there is mention in the contact notes of dying in the past being possible and that it has occurred. So there seems to be some missing information about time travel and how it is possible or impossible to die in the past or future. Reece Stiller | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 263 Registered: 08-2007 |
Pathfinder, Do you have Free Will? Yes? Then Time Travel is not paradoxical, since Effects do not necessarily have predetermined Causes. The Future affects the Past. Formative Causation, &c. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 264 Registered: 08-2007 |
Marksmanr, Where do you get the incorrect Notion that there is but 'one timeline'? The Plejaren live in another Timeline! (They live in another Space-Time-Juncture.) Salome, - Matthew | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 265 Registered: 08-2007 |
Marksmanr, Time-Travel includes travelling very swiftly and resultantly ending up far in the Future relative to the Passage of Time experienced. This has happened to many unfortunate Journeyers, Semjase informs us. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 02-2008 |
Hello Matthew, Yes I know that the Plejaren live in another dimension of space and time or space/time configuration which is travelled to via hyperspace for a fraction of a second. I know what you mean when you say the Plejaren live in another timeline, as in they live in the present of their dimension or space/time configuration. There is however no multiple timelines of a particular dimension. When I read "Time-Travel includes travelling very swiftly and resultantly ending up far in the Future relative to the Passage of Time experienced. This has happened to many unfortunate Journeyers, Semjase informs us." I was reminded by that which made me think of something interesting! Is it the present of another dimension (as in a finer or less fine space/time configuration) or into the past or future of a particular dimension the extraterrestrial people get lost in? From the information from Hans, I doubt it is the past or future the travellers get lost in because time travel acts like an intrusion and it requires a lot of energy to actually stay in the past or future, and is impossible to stay there forever due to the amount of energy required not existing. So is it then another dimension that the travellers get lost in? I remember reading somewhere that there is actually not too many different dimensions which exist, however I have no idea if that number is in the 2, 3, or 5+ digits etc. Reece Stiller | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1261 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Reece and All.... Very true: Plejarans do exist in another Time Configuration, some 2-3 seconds difference, or something. And which they do not want to make known, the details. For pure...safety precautions. Reece, but I do understand where you are going. It would be quite logical, what you stated, that the Spirit-form would reside in the Spirit Realm, till there is an compatible time level for it to reincarnate, once again. And as Scott stated. But, if you Reece would travel back into time, you still have to keep in mind, that your Spirit-form which resides in the Reece of That time, would also still exist, and you would have TWO Reeces wandering in that time frame, of existence(Spirit as well as physical). So, having TWO Spirits(old and modern) and TWO Reece(old and modern) wandering about, would indeed...create some Creational (Law/Principle) clashes, if you will. So, what Hans stated is quite logical, also. So, where lies the boundary of the paradox..... So, there is indeed, a bit of something...from everyone here, concerning this scenario. Something to ponder about, indeed! Edward. | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 11-2008 |
this thing about time travel is a little confusing... I thought that Semjase in contact report 39 had mentioned to Billy that in the Bermuda Triangle there is one dimension passage into 3 different Earth times. Does this mean that on Earth there are 3 time lines? | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 234 Registered: 10-2008 |
And how many timelines can there be? Are these timelines like jetstreams in the sky crisscrossing each other with no affect? What if i was to go into the past, have a child, then go into the future where that child has bore my grandchildren, and take one of them into the past to kill their father, and then I go into the future again just before the birth of those children and kill my child before he can preocreate. How then do the children exist to be able to go into the past to keep themselves from being born because they had killed their father? This just gets too illogical. It just doesn't seem logical to have so many possible timelines with different events affecting each other at different times. Maybe it is just my inability to comprehend, but at this point it just does not register with me as logic. It seems to stem in the affect on the individual spirit as though the one does not affect the whole, as though the fragment of creation does not affect the whole of creation. but that is not what we are taught. What if an army of hundreds of thousands travelled back in time to confront the Plejaren as they imposed religion on us to prevent what that caused here on earth? And that army was annihilated to the last man in the past. What if we took every single human back in time to that point to start over to avoid this long delay in our evolution because of religion? And we were all killed by those Plejaren. Does the entire host of our planet then wait for a hundred thousand years before we reincarnate again? And so we have a planet that has absolutely no human life on it for a hundred thousand years and no progress. I guess when we are able to time travel than that will be the goal of our fathers, to bring all of humanity to the past to confront the Plejaren with what they will cause thereby being able to avoid it ever happening in the first place. We may get stalled for a time, but that will be far better than what religion has done to our evolution. No, there is something illogical about this! I think there are creational laws that play into this that we are simply not aware of. i also think that this travelling using time slips or whatever you want to call them and exisiting in a different time dimension, is not the same as travelling back and forth in the past and future. I think past events are somehow fixed in place and unalterable, and that the future can only be what it becomes when it becomes the present. there can be no set future because there is always choice involved in designing what will be the future from the present. Logic suggests than that past and future are not accessible. if it is true that we can travel to these times, there must be some sort of laws of creation that inhibit any sort of interaction. otherwise the future selves of any intelligent being would already have returned to create course corrections in their evolution and correct mistakes, thereby having sped up their evolution perfectly. Whcih would also mean that evolution itself becomes simply a point a to point b method of time travel where the future evolved beings simply create a path to perfect evolution. there is a dilemma, paradox, use your own term, that wreaks of illogic and a piece to this puzzle is obviously missing. This is merely my humble opinion, based on my desire to learn, and not to insult or criticize anyone. These are question I ask myself out loud. please do not reply at all if you are simply going to tell me I am ranting or call me a brickwall. I seek conversation and thought with those who can do so without being insulted by my questions. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 568 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hello everyone, I would like to clear some items up on this thread. First there is only one "timeline" but several "dimensions" having their own time configuration. Time unfolds in only one direction and thus there is only one time "line." As far as different dimensions are concerned, the last thing that I read in the FIGU materials about this was that they had already discovered 20-some-odd dimensions and that there are definitely many more than that. As far as the multiple Earths are concerned, it was not very clear to me in the contact notes but it seemed that there are other "Earths" in their own dimensions but in the same spatial location. Also remember that Earth in our dimension will not still be in the same spatial location in the approximately 500-ish years from now mentioned in relation to one of those other "Earths". I do not have all of the answers on this last topic but there are some things mentioned that give one clues if they are interested and willing to think things over a bit in clear fashion... | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 569 Registered: 03-2004 |
I have been thinking a bit about the whole time travel subject and this might help some of you to understand it a little better. If you think of the present time as "reality" and you think of the past as nothing more than a recording of what reality was before now, you can get an idea of what time is possibly like. The reason that one cannot undo the effects of the past is because they (the effects) have already come into existence. BEAM states this emphatically. So if you travel into the past dimensions, you might well be able to change the "recording" but the "music" of that recording (i.e. reality as it is now) has already been played and cannot be undone. As far as going back and being prevented from killing your own grandparents before they had any children (i.e. your parents), this is nothing more than logic. If you could kill your own parents, your existence would never come to pass because all existence is preceded by idea, and if the idea in its deepest creational levels are illogical, then they will never materialize. So you see there is no magic to it, nor is there any paradox involve. A paradox only appears to those who haven't understand the underlying principles of the subject being discussed... | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 570 Registered: 03-2004 |
And sorry for the numerous typos and grammar mistakes. Just a bit too rushed in the post! Thomas | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 374 Registered: 03-2007 |
The spirit is not bound by time. This is stated in several places throughout the Meier material. Thus, if a person went back in time and died, the spiritform would NOT be trapped there waiting in some imaginary queue line and creating a paradox loop, it simply would continue where it left off in its’ original time just as if its’ body had died there. And the physical body would be left behind to decompose. No paradox. Also, the Plejarens home stars and home worlds exist in a dimension which lies to our existence level around a split second space in the future. (A fraction of a second.) p. 208, Aus den Tiefen des Weltenraums. Regards Bob | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 02-2008 |
Thanks Bob, but is the part where you say a spirit would simply continue to where it left off in it's original time something which is mentioned in the book (or somewhere else) or is it something you logically thought of yourself? The logic some other people and I thought of is exactly the same as you say, except that the spirit doesn't instantly go back to it's original time: it instead remains in the beyond in the past, unable to incarnate until time has progressed to it's original time which would be from exactly since the time traveller left the present. Cpl explained it well: "I'm not sure of this, but I think Billy or the Ps said that upon dying in the past the spirit would still be in that time but would wait until the time caught up with the spirit's before the spirit would incarnate again. i.e. traveling from 2008 back to 1600 and dying there the spirit would wait four hundred years until 2008 before the spirit would incarnate due to the spirits frequency being of the 2008 frequencies. Basically it waits until the old world catches up with it -- a long wait if going back to prehistoric times and dying there. Any clarification here?" Reece Stiller | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 375 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hi Reece From our perspective in the time/material plane it would appear as if there was “a waiting” but from the perspective of the spiritual side there is no waiting. There is no time for it to wait in. If Billy explained it like Chris wrote above, he was primarily conveying the concept that the spirit would not incarnate again in that time gap. And he meant "wait" in a figurative way but not in a literal sense. A young space traveler kisses his fresh bride good-bye and as he climbs into his spacecraft turns to her and says, “I’ll see you tomorrow.” And off he goes. After wandering the universe at incredible speeds he returns to his home planet after what for him has been a day, only to find his young bride quite old and on her deathbed. She looks up at him and whispers, “I waited for you all these years.” The bride waited, but the space traveler had not. (I know…it’s the same old story.) The anecdote above crudely illustrates the idea of time relativity and, of course, the Plejarens travel in hyperspace via hyperjumps to avoid such time dilation effects (and more recently by creating artificial dimension gates). But, the main point is that in the spiritual plane there is no time at all - null time – a fact that is capitalized on by the Plejarens in their latest communication technology. ...es den Plejadiern/Plejaren jederzeit möglich ist, zwischen den beiden Dimensionen ihre Kommunikation aufrechtzuerhalten, und zwar ohne Zeitverlust, weil ihre Kommunikationssignale auf einer künstlich-technisch nutzbar gemachten Ebene geistiger Energieträger übermittelt werden, wodurch der Übermittlungsgeschwindigkeit praktisch keine Grenzen gesetzt sind und ein Signal ein Milliarden Lichtjahre entferntes Ziel in dem Augenblick erreicht, in dem es ausgesandt wird. p.209, Aus den Tiefen des Weltenraums My rough unofficial translation: “…it is possible for the Plejadiern/Plejaren to maintain their communication any time between both dimensions, and without time delay because their communication signals are transmitted at an artificial-technically usable level of spiritual energy sources by which the transmission speed virtually has no borders and a signal reaches milliards light years away at the same moment in which it is sent." Regards Bob | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 02-2008 |
Ok, I understand it now. Thankyou Bob! Reece Stiller | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 11-2008 |
I'm not sure if I've understood the subject of time travel. Can someone please tell me if there is anything mentioned in the contact reports about there being more than one time line? The reason why I'm asking is 'cause the Plejarens had went back in time and shifted the damaged tree so that it now exists in another time line and the tree that existed in this time line had disappeard. This means that it is possible to go back in time and change certain things. | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 02-2008 |
I think what the Plejaren did was change the time configuration of the tree to make it out of sync in the present time so it doesn't exist in the present anymore. The tree would then exist in another time such as somewhere in the past, however it would be the past of this timeline because there is only one timeline. I would imagine it to have been something like this: The damaged tree's time configuration was altered to the frequency of say 5000 years ago so it would have suddenly disappeared from the present time and would exist (/have existed) in the past 5000 years ago and would live out the rest of it's life until the tree dies of old age in the past then decomposes and doesn't exist anymore. And in this case the tree would have already long since decomposed in the past. So travelling back in time and doing something or making something exist in the past is not actually changing the past, because whatever happened in the past happened and if it was caused by a time traveller then it would be pre-destined for the time traveller to make the trip into the past from the future when the time comes. Reece Stiller | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 409 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Reece and Joe, I guess they could have shifted it back in our time as you suggest, Reece, but the Plejaren use time differently from our time (line). Erra seems not to be in our past or future (on a different place in our timeline) but somehow, and I do not yet understand how or what it actually is, shifted in time frequency. The tree could probably just as easily be in the vicinity of our time but in a different time frequency or dimension -- just as the Ps are. Could that be called a timeline? Just half a second off our time would make the object disappear according to the Plejaren. If it were in our timeline though it might still be visible because it would be only a half second behind or in from of us, and since it was there then we would still see it. If a book on a table were time shifted half a second the way the Ps do it it seems it would disappear, but again if it were on our timeline there shouldn't be any change in its structure or visual appearance over just half a second and so should still be visible on our time line half a second later? A potential theory to explain how this might work? If the atomic and quantum structure of things in our reality are in tune to our time on a microscopically small time level. Meaning each sub-second has its own specific frequency and all existential matter is in tune with that and keeps in tune with it as it evolves, then if any matter were changed in its atomic or quantum frequency it would cease to exist in our reality. Whether such a thing is possible or not I have no idea. Maybe someone should ask Billy for a more detailed explanation on this, assuming he knows. Best, Chris | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 585 Registered: 03-2004 |
The tree was not moved to a different time. It was expalined that the tree's time was rolled back from now to its origin, sort of like rewinding a film. In that way, the tree was eliminated rather than moved. What has been done can never be undone, regardless of anything you may think. The tree did exist and that cannot be undone. The tree however no longer exists so the past was not undone, though its effects were neutralized (such as the memories of other people in regard to the tree's existence)... | ||
Johnboy Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 07-2008 |
Let's think of a "dimension" like we would think of our favorite radio station frequecy. There are a great number of radio stations broadcasting at the same time, but we only hear one because we tune to its specific frequency. The Plejaren take a "fraction of a second" to 'tune' to their dimension. All the rest of the dimensions continue to exist at the same time. They are just on different frequencies. The secret to this is in the ability to "tune" the matter on their beamships to the frequency of the dimension they seek. As for time travel... Time is a continuous progress at the speed of light in an existing dimension. To "travel" in time, we must have the ability to travel many times faster than the speed of light. For example, at this moment the Hubble telescope "sees" light that was generated from a galaxy 10 billion light years ago. By accelerating ourselves to a speed faster than the speed of light...let's say 10 billion times faster...then we could be at the source of the light (galaxy) the very moment that the light occurred. By doing this, we have traveled 'back in time' 10 billion years. To back less in time, we simply reduce our "speed" precisely to the date we wish to visit. Less speed (above light speed)= less time 'traveled'. The Plejaren accomplish this in their definition of "null space" and "null time". To "time travel" to a different dimension we simply do all of the above. We change to the appropriate dimension 'frequency' and adjust our speed to the specific time we want. Then we could visit Semjase and Asket in the DAL universe. Some day...  | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi I have had one area of time travel going around my head for month now and maybe someone at Figu or Mr Meier or anyone here could possible help me with. As I understand it for myself there is 2 ways (possibly many more) that time travel can happen. One is to go into hyperspace and one is to go into the changing belt of creation and then jump onto another time impulse. So in my thinking that these two are correct then i am now asking myself if my thinking of the next explination is true. When you go into hyperspace you travel in time into different dimensions. That is the different time frames that Planets are at the present. So if we travelled to the Plaiedies for example we would have to travel into time slightly to be at their present time. If we go into the changing belt then jump back onto the time impulses from creation then we travel back or forward into time. That is to same that if we like Mr Meier want to go back and meet jmmanuel we would have to time travel this way. Time travel is the subject that raises the most questions for me and my reading this forum I think many people would agree that we do not have the knowledge or experience to understand this. I would be greateful if anyone could shed some light on my thinking in this post. Thanks Asket: - The Creation is the basic foundation of life and all existence. In the force of The Creation, we fulfill our mission, which is not only of cosmic, but all-universal importance, because The Creation IS the life, and The Creation IS the existence |
