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    Norm Member Post Number: 895 Registered: 02-2000 |
I would love Billy to give Michael some original negatives. I'm so sick of hearing about Skeptics complaining about never having access to them. My Website | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 04-2006 |
My impression about the paracast show and forum is quite simple,they dive in endless discussions and critics about the autenticity of the evidences presented to the moderators.They need physical evidence for anything,it is absolutely necessary a deterministic,"objective" validation of the evidences(Pics and movie clips).I think that`s a secondary task of any UFO researcher. Complete study of the case comes first,the search for evidences next,not the other way round. Why are people interested in UFOs? They need answers which are not available to everybody.But these guys get lost in that battle to find a "truthful contactee" by means of comparing evidences to "their" standards. No comment about religion,physics,human history,nothing.If you don`t show them a real,authentic photo,they won`t read or research anything.The Ego plays an important role there.They are always trying to find out where the trick is hidden.They cannot imagine a f***ing swiss farmer being UFO contactee Nº1.If there is no trick,they will fabricate one,anyway  I didnt come here for evidences of Extraterrestrial life.I came here for answers.Those answers are coming slowly.I don`t give a damn if Meier is cheating me.He does me no harm,and my self-control,self analysis has reached new heights since I read Meier.I still blame him for having 3 children when he urges for a solution to overpopulation,but that does not discredit his knowledge and wisdom. There is a huge amount of truth in the Meier case.Takes time and effort to get into it.Nobody said it was going to be easy.In the end,its hard to be a prophet,and it`s hard to support such a prophet.Pure logic. Many times i recall the movie Matrix,when Morpheo offers Neo two pills,one red,one blue and he has to choose.One takes him back to his fabricated sweet reality,and the other means liberation,but facing the bitter present.Meier really represents Morpheo.Free will as a human condition.After that,take charge of your own responsibility.(well Meier does not want you to save the world,that`s nice,just save yourself in a spiritual way). Would Biedny and Steinberg be in Neo`s place,they would ask for a chemical analysis of both pills,because they look "STRANGELY" similar to M&M`s or Smarties,and those pills should to be tested with laboratory pigs first. Sometimes being skeptical is a healthy exercise. And sometimes it can ruin your spiritual human side. Saalome dear friends Hi Hector, According to some of the Passive Members I have talked to in the past regarding having children the point is this: It is ok to have up to 3 children per family, provided they are raised in a wholesome environment with TWO parents who are able to provide for them mentally, emotionally and physically. In this way, hopefully you will raise children who are balanced and will not go out and repeat the mistakes of their parents. Scott | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 334 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Tim , Michael ; Those pair of casts are like lawyers . Just give them something to prosecute and they're all over it like hyenas . One of them wanted me to do a search for their "expert" credentials online , but I'm busy . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 186 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Michael, Hector and Markc, Good thing you've got your bases covered. I would have done the same thing, having a third and a fourth perspective, but lets not stop there we should get as much "evidence" as we can. Although, how much evidence will it take for the radical skeptics as raised by Hector, I fear that no amount unless it is IN YOUR FACE evidence like "look theres a UFO shooting down a fighter jet" or damn, a nuclear bomb was dropped on the largest city in America, crap, this Meier guy was right all along. It looks like I should have listened, maybe I could have reached more poeople and reached some open minds, which, is the very thing I claim to do on my talk show with my buddy David. It is sad. Luckily studying the Meier case, with a serious but critical mind allowed me to delve heavily into the most critical of evidence against Meier. I want to thank Creation, Billy, the Plejaren and all of you for being wonderful supporters. We only have eachother, but that is an immense force! Marc, seriously they do and I was thinking they do not belong as so called open minded talk show hosts, because, well they aren't as open minded as one would expect when compared to the Art Bell, Rob Simone and other respectable radio voices. I honestly thought they don't belong on the radio and they are simply there to "sensationalize" UFO's and paranormal activity and not really inspect the in-depth reality that is life. Instead they missed the whole point. May insight and openmindedness spread like wildfire, Tim Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 09-2002 |
The skeptics wouldn't believe Meier even if they were able to touch the ship. They would just say its a fake. You are not dealing with sane people folks. You are dealing with people who want fame and fortune, not the truth. By the way the prophecies alone are amazing proof Meier is for real. The pictures are the icing.. Mark Gilbo | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 07-2004 |
I've just finished with my final post at the 'parasite' forum and I suddenly feel 20 pounds lighter. My opinion is one of two things, either they are not well researched and they rely on another source for their belief Billy's a hoaxer, or they receive some type of compensation to perpetuate the idea of a hoax. It's not possible they could be that incredibly ignorant and able to create and maintain a broadcasted show. There, I feel much better. Thanks for listening a friend in america Shawn | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 04-2006 |
When they interviewed David Sereda one month ago and he mentioned Billy`s photos,classifying them as objective and real,he inmediately got a severe skeptical response,trying to doubt the autenticity of the Meier material.Very suspicious. This guys are very shortminded.Their show is some kind of laboratory where alleged UFO contactees go trying to prove their autenticity/abilities.Doesnt make sense at all.And theres just the showbusiness side what we can see in that paracast show.Absolutely no educative,instructive material.Mere squalid,impersonal,no passionate interviews.Is that the way this guys want to make Ufology popular? No comment And we have a problem when a show degenerates into some kind of circus with horrofic creatures being exposed. Their next guest,a medium called Imara...just visit her webpage to realize what a product of modern marketing she is. http://thewisdomlight.com/ A least,this case has shown us that most of the people in the western "civilization" are not going to make an effort to abandon the path of ignorance.They will reassure it. | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 06-2006 |
How many of the Plejaren women are bisexual? What about homosexual men, what is done if a child is born a homosexual? | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 06-2006 |
What is the plan of the Plejarens concerning Earth before 2012, I know human cooperation is not good and this inhibits the course of their mission, however, has everything as planned by gone properly to some extent. Is there any plan by Billy to approach international bodies, perhapes someone in figu should become a part of the media, heh? | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey Scott, What type of architecture do the plejarens adopt in the buildng of houses. How are their dwelling structures better than ours? What about their roads for short distant walks. I understand that there is a tube system of transport, but otherwise, if they have to move to meet say a neighbor? | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 114 Registered: 02-2000 |
There's interesting information in the German part of FIGU's website: Go to http://www.figu.org/de/figu/index.htm Click on "FIGU-Bulletin" and then search for FIGU-Sonder-Bulletin Nr. 25. The second article is an English translation of the first one. I think that a couple of persons won't be pleased reading it. | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 115 Registered: 02-2000 |
To Celestialbrother: Architecture: As far as I know the houses usually have a dome shape and are made of artificial material that is earthquake-proof. They don't have roads because their transport vehicles are flying. I don't know about a tube system of transport. If the want to meet a neighbour they walk on paths or fly in their flying devices. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 164 Registered: 06-2005 |
I was reading the article translated by Vivienne (+Dyson) in March 2003, titled: "The Hard language of truth", under the heading "The Plejarens and the immediate future", Billy is speaking with Ptaah asking him "what about your activity as Jshwjh for earth: is that redundant now that you have completed your task? to which Ptaah replies: That is not quite correct, for there still exist descendants of old 'gods' who will make themselves heard..... Naturally my question is: WHO are the old 'gods'? are they helping earth humans? | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 663 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Milli... I see you have not been answered yet!? I will give it a try, OK. I think your subject has been discussed some time ago, and it seemed, that to some, the question was quite 'Irrelevant'. I can not recall Billy receiving answer back from Ptaah in Contact Note format, unless someone has it to their disposal? From my own 'Intuition', I strongly would acknowledge that they(old gods) are indeed helping man in every way they can: It be Consciously or Unconsciously! In principle, this does not matter. They will Shine...Before The People with their Deeds of Goodness. They live their Earthly lives just as you and I; and have of course...the right for their own 'Privacy'! Best not to know whom they are. Again, they will be noticed by their Good Deeds and Actions! Hope this gives you a bit more insight into the matter!?? Edward. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 384 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Melli ; I hope all is well with you . In the Prophecies of Henoch which can be found at various sites like www.theyfly.com . The complete version is included in "And Still They Fly" . The Sirius Authority as it is referred to is who they mention , descendants of those that inhabited the pyramids of Egypt in the second wave . Orion people built them originally . It briefly describes their actions as being against the aggressive nations in war situations of the future ( interpretation mine) . That's all I know . Kind Regards, Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 166 Registered: 06-2005 |
Thank you Markc and Edward, AHHH, intuition never let ME down!!! I am sure many of us here have a 'burning' question sometimes and are eager to resole it before proceding to another level of understanding, so all your efforts are greatly appreciated, by me and all others too I am sure. I was asking this particular question because around me people are questioning their environment and political situation and sometimes I feel like I could give positive feedback if only I had some understanding of the issues they know nothing about and hopefully help them feel more positive, sew the seeds of curiosity... If I can't help I feel frustrated and 'boxed' so to speak. This might read strange to some but for some unknown reasons I feel like I am here to do my duty and help. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 669 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Melli... Yes, what would we human beings be without 'Intuition'... Well, One can always lend a hand to One's fellow human being, not? Christian gave a very very good example, of mentioning an excerpt from the OM. (Christian, if I may barrow your wisdom... ...) OM: canon 32, verse 253: He who keeps silent if he is kicked, is not lenient, but wretched, and he who keeps silent if he sees that his fellow-human being is maltreated, is a traitor of performing one's duty towards life. (Wer stillschweigt, wenn ihm ein Fusstritt versetzt wird, der ist nicht nachsichtig, sondern erbärmlich, und wer stillschweigt, wenn er sieht, wie der Nächste misshandelt wird, der ist ein Verräter an der Pflichterfüllung des Lebens.) So you see Melli, the above would apply to any situation One would encounter. Thus, let your intuition go its way, as you have experienced it...and do execute your Positive and Healthy Deeds to your fellow man. And if you are limited to certain knowledge, this would be nothing to be ashamed about. Just helping your fellow man with the knowledge you (already) attain/know: this is always a Positive Input for 'Destiny'! "A small bite of the cookie...is better than none at all!" Edward. | ||
Simon Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hey Edward, Where did you get verses from the OM Canon? | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 167 Registered: 06-2005 |
Simon, maybe I can help, Gaiaguys have a Well of information including OM verses. All you need to do is start on their Meier page or go directly to gaiaguys.net/OM.htm """"" /OM.K49.htm """"" /OM.K9.htm """" /OM279.htm """" /OM.52.1-63.htm | ||
Pratik11 New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hi everybody I am Pratik I dont no detail propery will you help me to understanding the mission | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 06-2006 |
Welcome to the forum Pratik, it is good you have made it till here. Cheers | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 118 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi pratik my advices to any newcomer: 1) Open your mind & set yourself free from any blind belief, religion or doctrine 2) Read as much information from the meier case as possible (and think about it, if Billy`s statements turn to be true.) www.gaiaguys.net recommended. 3) Always keep and control your feelings and thoughts in the neutral/balanced region. 4) Redefine basic concepts like God, Time, Death, Universe, Human Being, Creation, Genes,UFOs, Life, Spirit....etc Our mission? there is no special mission at all, just do the same things you do but in a more humane way, following nature`s laws and other spiritual laws.Nobody wants you to save the world on your own, but any voice criticizing exploitation and warmongering will be welcomed! | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 133 Registered: 03-2004 |
To Christian or whichever of the moderators that is presenting our questions to Billy and then posting his responses on this forum: Thank you for doing that for us. It is appreciated... Sincerely, Thomas | ||
Michael |
Scott, They are in a singular publication called Henochs Prophezeiungen which was available only in German when I picked it up in May at the meeting. It has since been translated into English but is not yet approved for wide distribution. Salome, Michael | ||
Lonnie Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Gica, In response to your recent question to Billy, that you want Semjase to know that you love her very much; I think that Semjase would be very pleased to hear this. Semjase has shown much unselfish love on a high level in making many sacrifices to devote herself more fully to the all important mission. Very few people appreciate this on the part of Semjase. She could have just thought of herself and settled down to have a family which would have taken up the majority of her time, even though she has her private reasons for remaining single. But, if she would have remarried and had children she never would have been in a position to be so instrumental in helping us through Billy. She deserves to be loved very much. There was an experience during the early contacts when Billy's young daughter gave him her teddy bear to give to Semjase. Tears came to Semjase's eyes to receive such a gift that meant so much to an Earth child. Regards, Lonnie Morton | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 425 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi Everyone, For all of you in America, please get a copy of the January 20 issue of the infamous tabloid, the Sun, and look at the two-page story (pgs. 8-9) on the Meier case and my research. The paper did a most respectable job of presenting the info with only two small typos. Here's something you can show your friends, the first respectful, positive coverage in the American press media that I know of. And, if you do like the article, may I suggest dropping the paper a line and letting them know what a good job they did. Also, those of you outside of the U.S. may be able to find the tabloid at international newspaper and magazine stands. (If this isn't the right area please post elsewhere.) Michael Horn | ||
Jeedi Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 11-2003 |
Hi Michael, Bravo!!! Best two bucks I've spent so far this year. Not only was I thrilled to learn that "UFOs are Real!", but I also really liked the "Caveman Diet" thing on page 22. On a serious note, I hope this amazing Randi guy lives up to his end of the bargain. Perhaps other people here could send nuetral-positive e-mails to help him with escrow? Here was my message: Subject: Give Billy the Money email: randi@randi.org Hello amazing Randi, I just saw today in Jan. 20th "Sun" tabloid newspaper that "UFOs are Real." I am so happy to hear this since I am a big fan of Star Wars, Star Trek, Close Encounters, Alien, Preditor, 2001, Earth Vs. Flying Saucers, Things to Come and all the rest of the great alien movies. I just knew space aliens really existed. So I am happy to learn that Swiss man Billy Meier has won your $1,000,000 Paranormal Challenge. I think this Billy guy has better pics of UFOs than George has of X-Wings and Tie Fighters. I think I've seen enough sci-fi movies to know that this guy with the beard from Switzerland has the best movies of space ships anywhere, and this includes the special effects work of the best in Hollywood. Hands down, no challege, In my experienced opinion. I will be thrilled once the mainstream press covers this Big story of you handing a big million dollar check to this Billy Meier guy; this will give much credit to the subject of extraterrestrials and UFOs. Something long, long time ago overdue. The best, Anthony | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 426 Registered: 10-2000 |
Great Letter Anthony! I'm sure Mr. Amazing will be delighted to get it...and hopefully more. For all interested parties, in case you didn't get the email announcing it, the new DVD will be coming out in Feb. and I have info for those who want to get it. Rather than post business things here, please email me and I'll send you the info: michael@andyettheyfly.com Michael Horn | ||
Jplagasse Member Post Number: 300 Registered: 09-2000 |
Hi all, I have not received a single email from UFO Updates for the last few days... For anybody who does not know, UFO Updates is an email list which most(?) UFO writers/skeptics etc. subscribe to. They have been quite critical of Meier historically, and have dis-allowed further contributions mentioning Meier, a while back. Jim Deardorff "shut this list down" at least once before. It seems Michael may now have done the same!!??? Mind you, it could just be my subscription or something... Regards, JP | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings JP, Come to think of it, some of us are wondering why you left the PAR "Plejarans Are Real" list after Dyson there gave his apologies. I almost left the list myself a few times for other reasons in the past, but later realized I had to work out the situation which of course was not easy. Mike Whelan gave an announcement in the chat room, concerning his "all new" FIGU related forum they just put up. Peace in being, James Truthseeker | ||
Jay Member Post Number: 250 Registered: 01-2002 |
Jeedi, As noted to AMAZING RANDI by Micheal "YOU EITHER PUT UP OR SHUT UP".. I guess Randi will be putting up with ALL of us at FIGU. LOL. Saalome and BE WELL to ALL
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Claes Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 07-2002 |
Michael Horn, is the interview on the radio this weekend still on? Do you know what the focus will be on, the prophecies? Hope I'm not asking too late. I am referring to the one on "The Headroom" with Rob Simone Saturday, April 24, 2:30 PM (GMT) (http://theheadroom.rolo.net) Thanks, Claes | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 03-2004 |
hello everyone while looking at some pics of "brochure of photographs" i noticed something interesting, not only the so called "star of david" which is present in many cultures worlwide, but the "OM" symbol (OMFALON MURADO / the book of truth), in this Beaver medicineman´s clothes i have noticed too, that at the begining of many books from India it is written "salaam" which means the same that "saalome" (peace), and at the end is common to write or say "AUM" which is the equivalent of "OM". "Salaam" means "peace" too among muslims (maybe because of Mohammed)    | ||
Beli Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 05-2003 |
..a very interesting thema,who could talk litle bit more about the book OM; kanon 31. regards beli | ||
Jay_q New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2005 |
Hi, Im Jay and im new here on figu. I have 2 questions for billy or someone that is qualified to answer them. 1) How come there are 300 members and the last posts on some of these threads are extremly old. (i.e. 2-17-04) 2) The other questions that is scratching my curiousity is one of Creation itself. The only thing that myself and possibly some of the newer members ask themselves is how did creation create itself... I must have an answer its driving me crazy Please help! - Peace and love (Jay) | ||
Phaethonsfire Moderator Post Number: 335 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hi Jay, 1) It's up to each forum member to post or not to post on this forum, therefore some of the forum messages are old. 2) There is a misconception about the meaning of the word Creation. The only Creation-form that can really create something out of absolutely nothing is the BEING-Absolutum, the 7th and highest form of Absolutum Creation forms, of which the Absolute Absolutum is the lowest. How a creation is possible like this is a complete mistery, and none, not one of the Creation froms of the 10(49) or the 6 Absolutum-forms can unravel this mystery of all things. Creation in which we live has created itself out of a Ur-Idea from Ur-Creation, and in this Ur-Idea (first-of-all Idea) only the very basics was included from which Creation could unfold itself and develop itself and become what it is now. So Creation started out from a Ur-Idea from Ur-Creation, so it wasn't created out of absolutely nothing, but from an already existing Ur-idea. An idea like this is concentrated in itself as purest spiritual energy. So creativity is possible for all human life and pure-spiritforms, but only in the framework of the Laws of Creation itself, and only a creation is possible when the basics in the form of knowledge and wisdom are already present, this brings us to the evolution of the spirit, in which Creation itself put in every spiritform the very basics for evolution, those basics are the fundaments of intelligence and consciousness and all the laws and commandment of Creation. I hope this helps. Salome (Peace in Wisdom) Jakobjn Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Jay_q New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2005 |
Phaeth: Thanks for the info. Also, I have so many questions but i'll try and condense them as much as I can. I don't want to make you crazy answering them all, i'll try these until next week (if i get online) where i'll decide on a couple more. 1) What were the first life-forms created by the being-absolutum and what were they called? Are they still around? 2) I read roswell as a kid and read accounts of ex-military officers stating the most common earth-known look of an alien (black eyes and ovalish head) that i'm sure u've probably seen. Who are or were these aliens and were they more advanced or less advanced then the plajarans? Any details on this is greatly appreciated. 3) --^ Relating to the same topic, a scientist whos name eludes me at the moment did research about astro-pyshics and all that stuff and claims that the roswell alien craft possibly could have been a time machine. Is this true? Thats all for now, thanks again Phaeth. | ||
Phaethonsfire Moderator Post Number: 336 Registered: 01-2004 |
1) The BEING-Absolutum is the very groundexistence of all things, of ALL universes in all of infinity, without the BEING-Absolutum there would nothing and not even that. The BEING-Absolutum created itself out of nothing and started as a simple Universe and evolved up to become THE BEING-Absolutum, how all of this happend, is beyond ANY comprehension. (notice how the word BEING is written: BEING = all existence); in the inter-universal space there is nothing but extremely fine spiritenergy generated by the Absolute Absolutum and countless Universes of different evolutionary levels. From coarse-material until extremely fine energetic density. This extremely fine spiritenergy is nourishment for the universes and they live from that, that energy is absorbed by the 7th belt, the socalled rammingbelt and edge of a Universe and transformed in cooperation with the Creation-core belt in to energy that can be used for all its lifeforms either material or spiritual. 2)The ships that crashed where piloted by andriods and they where certainly less developed then the plejarens, which have failsafe devices and reached a level of perfection in their technology where they can't crash down anymore. 3) No, it was not a time-machine as that scientist mentioned, but a beamship, every beamship could be considered a time-machine because when it travels at hyperspeed velocities it travels back in time, but in conjunction with the distance travelled and the time spend in hyperspace. Jakobjn Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Jay_q New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 01-2005 |
a mod must have canceled my post. how do the et's deal with the frustration of not knowing what made the first primary creation? thanks (please post) Hello Jay_q No, your post was not cancelled, but moved to the General/Non-FIGU/Misc section. You were attempting to discuss more than one topic within your post. Please check the other posting areas, and you may find an area that is specific to your topic. Usually a person will be warned if his post needs to be cancelled or modified before any cancellation is forthcoming. Thanks-Moderator | ||
Jay Member Post Number: 357 Registered: 01-2002 |
Hey JAY... I AM the original JAY.. lol lol. Jacob, was it not the ZETAS who actually sent down Andriods (GREYS) to our world?, this is straight from the Betty and Barney Hill if I do remember the case well. Saalome and BE WELL to ALL
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Phaethonsfire Moderator Post Number: 345 Registered: 01-2004 |
Original Jay :-) Yes, the Zeta's where the ones who send down Andriods to our world. Salome(Peace in Wisdom), Jakobjn Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Jay_q Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 01-2005 |
WHO ARE THE ZETAS?! PLEASE HELP LOLLL | ||
Jay_q Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 01-2005 |
ok thanks, yea i heard that the "GREYS" are extremely detached and lack emotion. Hmmmm, if anyone knows anymore about these SUSPICIOUS greys, let me know... | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 03-2004 |
Jay, This was Billy's answer to me when asked about the spirit forms of "The Greys" reincarnating on Earth: "The Greys were androids (artificial beings) and had, therefore, no self-evolving spirit forms that could reincarnate here on Earth or elsewhere" | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 08-2004 |
I wonder if someone could answer this: The idea that something could come from nothing seems clearly illogical (that's not to say it's not so). If through BEING and the Absolutum it is possible for something to come from nothing doesn't this suggest that they act/create beyond the logical -- within a realm of pure mystery? And how does, or can, this correlate to Creation being pure logic? | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hello Cpl This is a question I've asked myself many times - how can something come from nothing? When Creationists ask it they usually refer to the creation of the material universe: How was the world (something) created if God doesn't exist (nothing)? The something to which you refer, however, is spiritual energy, Creation itself. I think one needs only to consider the conditions under which coarse matter was created to understand how fine matter was created. Of course I'm talking about gradation. Something finer than coarse matter created the material realm, something finer than fine matter must, therefore, have created the spiritual realm. Otherwise, you are right, it is illogical for something to come from nothing. It just isn't possible. I don't accept that Creation creates beyond the logical. If it did we couldn't expect to find any logical order through the study of science. I think the more we learn scientifically, the less mysterious the universe and our spiritual evolution will appear to be. But currently there are many things that must appear to us to be within a realm of pure mystery simply because we don't understand their nature. This doesn't mean that they have no logical foundation, however. It just means that we have still a lot to understand. And it just might be that it isn't possible for us to understand every mystery of life. In which case we just have to accept that Creation will always have one over us. | ||
Nestingwave New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2005 |
Hello Hunter and all. So, if the "Greys" are artificial beings (androids), who manufactures them and sends them forth? -- and for what purpose? Any info from Billy on that? Or - does anyone care to offer any insight? Roy | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Joseph, Your many thoughts here echo my own. | ||
Jay_q Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 01-2005 |
nesting, ive been asking that for awhile and i cant find my post and billy hasnt said anything. Let's both ask him. They seem weird cause they lack emotion. We'll see.... | ||
Jay_q Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 01-2005 |
Nesting, ill ask billy when i put my post in "questions to billy". Ttyl. | ||
Mario New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hello, people, Sorry, moderator, it's been a while since the last time I logged in... but I think this is important. Of course if participants have talked about this issue, don't include my post in the forum. It seems these people are using Billy's pics without even mentioning him, for books covers. I haven't seen the books myself, but at least they don't mention Billy in their website. http://www.ufobc.ca/Store/historical-cd.htm I hope this can be fixed. Best regards | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hey Mario, I don't know if these people are simply putting any picture they find with famous names or what but Volume 2 is clearly a Plejaren craft. And as for Daniel Fry (who by the way is a complete fraud) the picture they chose to represent his case seems to be an under shot of the "wedding cake" ship or as some like to call the "trash can" photos. It seems to be Plejaren as well and without giving correct credit to the genuine contactee. Although there were a few like Betty and Barny Hill that were genuine however they are not classified as contactees under billy's classifacation but as examinations. Anyway you can write these disrespectful people at contactus@ufobc.ca but it would hardly be worth your time as i'm sure they are fully aware of their actions...but if you feel the calling, please inform them of their error. Good luck! Salome, Tim | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 158 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Tim according to Billy and the plejaren Daniel Fry was a true contactee, but the info in his book (The White Sands incident) was altered by someone take care | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi MemO, Thanks to straiten that out. It may not matter at all now due to the age of the copyright but it sure is a shame to whomever made Dr. Fry an honest man into something he wasn't. I did not study this case so I cannot quote anything but to what extent was Dr. Fry's "story" or case altered? That being something that has been done to the Meier case but in small ways... mainly debunking attempts. thanks again for the correction. Salome, Tim | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello moderators, and or people who know what I speak of... Genesis Crystal with 12-sided Vogel-cut® crystals 4 & 6 loop Niobium loops at end copper and gold windings We are aware of Marcel Vogel through his studies on LCD displays, magnetic coatings on hard-drives and him proving Meier's metal samples to be manufactured by an un-earthly cold-fusion procedure, but what some of us might not be aware of are his experiments and inventions with crystals as healing and meditative tools. Here on a website tributed to him they sell "The Genesis crystal" and many others @ http://www.vogelcrystals.net/evolutionary_technology.htm "is an accelerator of thought: a prayer accelerator. the generator winding, inspired by the designs of the modern visionary Nikola Tesla, create a magnetic field which receives vibratory information from the person holding it and focuses it to the crystal. The crystal and the resonator circuit receive the impulse and emanate it to the subtle bodies in an amplified form on a wide range of harmonic frequencies. this light based tool is a bridge between the morphogenic and physical planes. It contains the unity of opposites - Yin and Yang, right and left brain, masculine and feminine, past and future, aspiration and inspiration - as a perfect null point corresponding with the stillness at the root of polarity." HAS ANYONE HEARD OF THIS TOOL BEING USEFUL AND NOT PARTIALLY DEGENERATIVE as many things can be, or even heard pro and con... at all!! I've studied Vogel along with some of Tesla's work for a little while and they both had some AMAZING discoveries I think partially due to subtle mental boosts from our friends. If anyone knows about this device please disclose! Salome, Tim | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 07-2004 |
I havn't heard of it but am very interested. I'll try researching. Sounds plausible. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 81 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear forum memebers has anybody heard of whitley streiber who purportedly has been abducted by ETs and all kinds of procedures done to him. He appeared in numerous TV programs detailing his account of the night he got abducted Was he a true case? | ||
Dplotmach Member Post Number: 98 Registered: 09-2004 |
Hi! I just felt for telling you about what I think might be an encounter of the men in black. I witnessed UFO's, in that they were like "stars moving back and forth". I also got very interested in the Billy Meier contacts in about the year 2001. Me and a buddy were walking down the streets in Trondheim(Norway), and saw something I assume was an old black american car. I have seen it in pictures(lincoln), but since it is such a long time ago, I do not really know exactly how it looked like. The driver was dressed in a black suit I guess, of what I could see. Scary. The other one just looked like billy meier himself, and had an ugly smile. I just did the same, in that I knew something evil was going on, and did the same gesture. I remember my buddy said " awh, that man looked evil!" (in norwegian). I think he still remembers this. But the big thing is that I and a few buddys were sitting in a bar at "samfundet(.no)" to watch a football-match. I guess I was about to freak out, as I eventually did (psychotic, guess it aint no surprise). One of my friends went to the bathroom, and then suddenly, the man looking like Billy Meier asked if he could sit beside me. I said "no", because it was already taken. Then he took the seat behind me. I guess he touched my feet in a way. This was when the worst happened; I felt an extreme warmth in my body, I had to drink about 5 pints of water while sitting there. I do not know why I did not leave, but I guess I was doubting myself so much back then that I was unsure about most things, even those who were real. He was joyfully supporting the german team, i guess they were playing against the Norwegian team "Rosenborg". I also wonder if he had a swiss accent. Eventually we left, and some months after, I ran psychotic because of stress. Maybe they were influencing/attacking me back then? For an UFO-witness to become crazy must be a dream for the men in black. One get's a total lack of credibility. What do you think about this? I am serious. | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 146 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Everyone, If anyone is interested in doing a Peace meditation in either Columbus Ohio or the Chicago, Illinois area, this weekend in Chicago around 5 are meeting. If anyone is interested in starting a study group in Columbus, Ohio or attending 1-2 times a month for German study, discussion and meditation for the Chicago area please post. Salome Tim | ||
Zefram Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 08-2005 |
Hi, I´ve thinking about Semjase, where is she now? what does she do now? I read that she had an accident here on Earth and had to leave the planet to recover, do you something about? Salome, Zefram | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 307 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Zefram ; Semjase has since recovered and has visited Billy . She still lives in the Dal Universe . (Djansni Arg Lasergnoralin ). Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear All, A while ago I came across a document that was titled “Talmud Jmmanuel for Printing” when looking at the contents I found that it had English mistakes not grammatical, but I guess when who ever typed it up made some errors. Plus it didn’t include the German copy in the document. It was very disturbing to see this already happening in the life time of Billy, I would really advice any one NOT to share it in any way. And today I was checking again around and found an addition to the above title it included a new part which is “Talmud Jmmanuel for Printing [MessiahTruth.com]”, which made me even more annoyed especially when I saw the contents of the website mentioned. But I guess it will be very hard if not impossible to do any thing about it. I would just advise any one reading this message to make sure never to do such thing, because the implication in the long run might be quite messy, and would surely cause quite some confusion in the future. I know that most of you on the forum wouldn’t think of doing it but there is always a slight chance a new comer does such a foolish move. I surely hope there won’t be any thing similar or worse in the future. But I guess at some stage it will be hard to prevent it. Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 02-2006 |
A friend of mine asked me a few days ago: "How it is possible that so little is known (in public) about Billy Meier?" As a answer I show to him the Newsletter overview 2006, on Michael's theyfly.com web site... "For any of you who have not heard of the Meier case until now, and may be wondering why, you can thank the opponents of truth, i.e. the governments, religions, politicians, leaders, media – and the professional skeptics – for doing everything in their power to maintain the status quo..." Thank you Michael, but after I saw a TV show "Ten Ways to be Abducted by an Alien" on Discovery TV last night, I think the situation is even worse. Salome, Dejan | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 510 Registered: 10-2000 |
I'd like to invite members of this forum to look in on the discussion forum at www.theparacast.com, from which (at least for right now) I've been banned because I was told that my posts were too "inflammatory". Please compare them with the attacks on the case and me from the forum members there. You can listen to an interview with me on that site from June 27, and one with David Sereda from June 20, in which the Meier case is attacked without any substantiation. The attack on the case at the end of my interview was added AFTER the interview with the one host, something that I was not advised of either before or after the show was recorded and posted. A friend in China heard it and informed me. A second show was recorded and will air on july 11, in which the second host does his detailed attack on one of the photos in the case from his position as a PhotoShop expert. They are also going to post his analysis on the forum. I should add that I have gathered sufficient information from people expert in photography (the PhotoShop expert didn't say that he was also a photography expert) and I will be rebutting his argument either on that forum or on my own site. Michael Horn | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 180 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Michael and forum, I have helped you out! I went to paracast.com, listened to the interview, read through 5 or so days of postings and posted my own take on the situation. I recommend that everyboday supports Horn through this. Let these host's and more importantly the listeners realize that Meier has some support and maybe let'm know what you think by voting at http://www.theparacast.com/ click on discussions and then go to Horn's section and vote or create a username as I did and put in your piece. The time is now friends, lets make an impact that'll change the outcome of WW3! Michael will be a guest if I am correct the July eleventh 7/11/06 so go to www.theparacast.com Thank you Mike! Sincerely, Tim Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 515 Registered: 10-2000 |
Thanks Tim and Kingman, I'm glad to have the support. As you can tell, this is a typical character assassination forum where people attack the case, make their wild, unsubstantiated claims and don't want to be held at all accountable. You're all welcome to drop in and see what you think. And yes, the show was already recorded and airs on the 11th. Michael Horn | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 183 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Michael, Well, what a battle that was! I am sure there are things David ignored plentifully, but, he did seem to hold up his end of the deal, in a way. He made his claim that the light in the Green spectrum displayed a clear visible line where a double exposure existed. While you and the Meier information clearly states that Meier had no photo developing station on record nor the resources to provide manipulations of these types. Is it then possible as was the case with the manipulated photos of Asket and Nera and the ones which Kal K. Korf claims have "strings" attatched to the tops, where as I understand it from what I've read is that the people in the photo developing station literally scratched lines in the negatives giving the impression of a hoax, where Meier had his photos developed "right away". I then ask, is it possible David Biedney found something credible where through Meier's professed honesty and openness he was maligned and swindled as pictures where "stolen" from him and returned as frauds as has happened on numerous occasions? This is what I suspect if it turns out that the 1 photo Biedney claims is a double exposure. My second serious concern is that maybe we should have some more pictures examined by a literal third party? Do you guys think this is necessary? What if the picture is a fake? I read that the "men in black" were sighted early on in the Meier contacts. Whatever be the case I hope we can logically and scientifically get to the bottom of this. So that Horn and maybe a third investigator or even some official reports from the swiss Government of the 234 UFO sightings over Billy's residence for round three? Is it worth the effort I am making. You bet your rear end it is! here's a crazy thought... what if Meier get's a few new pictures or movie segments as he "comes out of the landing craft". But, this would be useless as evidence because the movie and pics would be established well after the fact of photoshop and digital enhancement capabilities, something that made Meiers photos and movies very, very credible in the first place. I seriously doubt the Plejaren would agree to this, the photo era is over, or is it? Salome Tim Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 185 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi guys, David has not posted his images, so I wonder what if anything is going on with that? I also wanted to say last post that perhaps as was the case with the movie "Contact" where they could not identify what that strange energy was around the ship which appeared to be emmiting a "force field" like energy, although the supposed "line" and "double exposure" or whatever David is now claiming I'm thinking could possibly display some evidences of genuine ET activity? Long shot maybe, but I do recall a telemeter disc whirring around in many of those night time photos, so is it then possible that he picked up on some unknown, unidentified object that could give the appearance of the photos being double exposures because as I also recall the telemeter discs have the capability of break-neck speeds, and anything traveling at that rate of speed could in fact give the appearance of a "line". But, like I said this is a long shot and another possiblity is David B. manipulated the photo. Interesting Times, Tim Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 516 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi Tim, Thanks for your and Kingman's participation there. Here's the essence of the situation as I see it, based on my conversations with three different experts who've looked at the photos, two of whom I referred to in my first rebuttal. According to one guy I know who has 50 years experience in photography and special effects. (His background includes: Special Effects, Editor, Producer, Second Unit Director, Assistant Director, Production Manager for TV and films for Disney, Warner Bros. etc.) the photo in question is actually a triple exposure and was done IN-CAMERA. He is a healthy skeptic and thinks all of the enrgy ship photos (there are eight) have to be some kind of in-camera double exposure. He is certain that they weren't out-of-camera, super-imposed images. He said that it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to tell if they were deliberately "faked" and he wouldn't bet his reputation on that. He did say that anyone who is claiming to be an expert, and who is absolutely claiming that the photo is a deliberate fake, probably utilizing a fluorescent light (the only known to him kind of light that could have been used for the object, and which Meier did have on the property) should be willing to prove that claim by...DUPLICATING the photo, with the same equipment known to belong, and be available, to Meier at the time...with NO Photoshop and/or other current technology used. And if the person claiming that they can prove it's a hoax thinks that it was a different (non-fluorescent) light then he should identify it and utilize it for his photo as well. He said that while he doesn't believe in "spaceships", and doesn't think that the object could be one, it would be incumbent upon anyone who was claiming that they PROVED that it wasn't, to actually do the duplication. Let's say that this issue is like a trial where Meier is the defendant and the prosecutor is saying that they can PROVE that Meier deliberately hoaxed the photos with the means at his disposal. A recreation, or duplication, rather than just one expert's opinion - especially since another expert, who also thinks the photo is a triple exposure, says the whole effect could be accidental - is required. This expert also said that if the accusser (DB) can't or won't do the duplication then he should withdraw his claim that he proved a deliberate hoax, though he could certainly say that it was his opinion, just not a proven fact. In other words, we have another expert, with many more years in the business than DB, and who also thinks the photo has to be a triple exposure, who won't bet his reputation on it being a deliberate fake, and who thinks that since DB claims that he's "proved" that it is (which he hasn't yet) that DB has to duplicate it to prove it, i.e. he should put up or shut up. Michael Horn | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 984 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Thomas, It is a combined effort between Billy,Christian and myself. Your welcome Regards Scott | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 696 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Leann..... For your information... It was mentioned in the 'Questions to Billy' section, previous, that "ONE" of the Viking's forefathers was a 'horned' ET. This is where the myth of the Vikings and their helmets with horns was derived from. So, even what I learned at school in my youth; mentioning that they DID have horns on their helmets, was truly FALSE based; and as I also learnt over the years...by own research. And thus, it is very positive for Billy to have Confirmed it as not being so, and the ET link. Edward. | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 12-2004 |
Salome everyone, I saw this link posted on the German Forum, and thought some might find it interesting. Look at the guidelines written on the tablet and i am sure withing the first line it will sound familiar... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones Salome, Badr | ||
Dplotmach Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 09-2004 |
I wonder why no-one of my friends and family is interested in the Billy Meier-contacts and the prophecies? I've presented it to them some times, especially the predictions, and they are never able to accept it or at least think about it. Is there something that can be done about it, or should one just let it go? Some of them even get angry if I am right... | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 275 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Dplotmach you should let them be, or you must prepare to lose (in one way or another) your friends, family, etc. i imagine you have already read it, but if not, check the article called: "Talkativeness and Performing Missionary Work" which is found in the "Short articles" section of the FIGU website it is natural that someone reacts violently (or simply ignores you) when this kind of things are presented to them, it is a "defense mechanism" that perpetuates the way they see the world, life, etc. ´cause their beliefs give them certain security, certain sense of belonging to something, etc. maybe instead of asking: why they can´t change?, you should ask yourself: why i want to change them? are you really in a position where you can "guide" others? life is much more than knowing this or that, wisdom is much more about what you do everyday in your life than about what you have in your head, and so even with their false beliefs many persons act in a more intelligent and humane way (help others, respect them, etc) than oneself the only time that one should give explanations is when the other person asks take care and remember you aren´t alone something similar happens to almost everyone here | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 409 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Dp and Memoo ; Really that's just the way it is . You can't make someone want to learn to play a musical instrument , study architecture or a foreign language . What isn't sought by individuals won't be appreciated . A few years later they may be interested in it , but not if you confront them with it . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 133 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Dplotmach I totally agree with what Memo wrote above, and would just like to add a couple of things. I too have a lot of difficulties when talking to others about Billy and the case, but you know the way I see it, the mission doesn’t only include talking about Billy directly. There are other ways to pass one what Billy said indirectly, for example most of my near family heard about Billy from me but most are not interested or don’t have the time to read about him or what he said. So what I do is share information that is similar to what he says, from just normal talk or through sharing documentaries or movies… For example I try to share things like the documentary (What the Bleep do we know) kind of lets them think about things that they might not have in the past or wouldn’t when I talk to them, recently I saw (An Inconvenient Truth/Al Gore) which is amazing and would recommend to any one to watch and pass it on and there are other interesting things around to talk about which would indirectly be what Billy talks/advices about. And maybe one day they will come to you and ask you about Billy, as in it worked with me, I didn’t force any one to listen to me. When I know the other person doesn’t want to talk about Billy then I don’t, every once in a while I mentioned something related to a specific topic saying a short sentence “Billy said this or said that about this subject and as you see someone else has confirmed it”. Because the more one talks about it to persons that are not very interested it becomes/sounds like a religious way of forcing something. Salome, Badr | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1017 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, I don't know how many of you know who Kal Korff is, but he has launched a "major" offensive against Michael Horn and the Billy Meier "Cult". Captain Korff has been around for a at least two decades and now has raised his serpetine head into the light of day again to stir the murky waters from where he resides. Please read the following link for more information: http://www.kalkorff.com/?p=14 Mr. Korff is also listed on the FIGU Website as one of the detractors of Billy and FIGU. Regards Scott | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hey Scott, maybe Billy can charge Captain Kook-a-nuts Korff royalties for the money he's earning (and the calendars he's selling) debunking the Meier case. | ||
James Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 07-2005 |
Wow this Korff guy is like a total wack job. Does he think we are morons? And what the hell...Captain in the Special Secret Services as a counter-intelligence operative?  I need not say any more Welcome to Earth! | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 200 Registered: 06-2005 |
There may be alot more interest in Billy's teachings lately naturally as people are beginning to question their existence and the current world political situation and therefore the 'powers that be' decided that the situation requires an urgent dose of confusion and disinformation to halt the progress of truth and have chosen to resurect Korf again. Can the situation become serious and worrisome for Billy/ Figu and also what about M. Horn well being? can he assured safety from malicious legal wranglings? | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 164 Registered: 04-2006 |
I think Figu does not stand for enrichment and material wealth.If they wanted to be rich, they would have translated all of Meiers books into english and also accept credit card transactions.In the 80's Meier was also offered to sell his autobiography to Hollywood, but he refused.He would have been infinitely richer and famous now doing so. A true real "professional skeptic" always shows both sides of the coin, pros and cons, and this KKK professional traitor just tries to "demonize" Meier & Horn, hiding some evidences which favour a hipothetic public "absolution" of Horn, Meier. Definitely, KKK has invented the term "sectarian skeptic" which aplies to himself. | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hector, yeah, I know FIGU does not stand for enrichment and material wealth. But Korff is co-opting Billy's IP. Then HE'S going around claiming Michael Horn is defrauding people through the books and media he's selling. I just find that ironic. By the way, I have that lame-ass book written by Kaptain Kooky Korff and would be willing to give it to anyone interested, but it's not worth the postage to send it. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 549 Registered: 10-2000 |
Regarding the Korff idiocy: Info about the threats and lawsuit from Korff: http://www.kalkorff.com/?p=14 http://www.kalkorff.com/?p=21 Here's where you can VOTE on the Meier case: http://poll.pollcode.com/9fr_result Here's where my radio debate with Kal Korff can be heard: http://www.xzone-radio.com/december2006.htm Michael Horn | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 02-2006 |
Korff and alike will in the end ultimately fail,wish they would stop and truly investigate. I have one of Korffs nice hard cover books.If you were uninformed,as well as being spiritually,week,well this book can cast doubt. However once all is taken in like his computer analysis work,model-model,work,he is easily dismantled. Wish we could have the leadership become honorable to humanity,you know laws of nature,why can't we move forward. In the 70s when Meier was told about earth humans putting our resources together and within 300 years,,,ahhh,,a sustainable living envirenment,and much more high tech. Peace and to all members,I so enjoy reading all your posts.Love from pudd. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 172 Registered: 12-2005 |
I don't think so Melli, KKK has a lot more to lose then FIGU. First, because he has no case and therefore risks being exposed to his employers and viewers as the incompetent swine he is. Secondly it has been his way to denigrate FIGU by means of smearings of the truth and even outright lies - that can be shown unequivocally! This behaviour rases numerous legal issues and can be contested in a court of law. I think its a mistake to even mention such dealings, especially in this forum - we are only helping to spread his name and the folly that follows it. Kiril | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 411 Registered: 06-2000 |
Kal isn't even his real name . It's Steve . I never worry about those who are worried about their identity . Kal El , Jor El , Kryptonians from the comic books . And they were ......... what else ? Aliens . This "Kal" does more FOR the mission , by constantly drawing attention to it . So bring it up again , genius , and make a special website for it while youre at it . Mark Campbell | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 222 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Michael, You probably know already and have thought all this through, but just in case: As Korff and those he quotes and refers to admit there is no proof to any of the photos. This, of course, also means no proof of forgery or fakery. So he is merely expressing his own belief -- so much for critical thinking and analysis -- that the photos are forged. Maccabee, whom he is so found of citing, has said that nothing can be definitively said about the photographs -- either true or false -- because originals do not exist. Lacking any proof whatsoever the case is closed. There is not the slightest proof they are different from what Meier has said they are (nor is there real proof they are what he says either); and the burden is on Korff to provide proof; innocent until proven guilty. His religious-like belief in forgeries totally disqualifies not only his case but his own now demonstrated false stance for alleged critical thinking. We, and his beloved experts that he acquiesces too, know there is no possible proof that the photographs are either fakes or genuine. The one thing Korff is not doing here is engaging in critical thinking. The guy's just shot himself in the proverbial foot. One can't help wondering whether this is a vain attempt to reign in all the Meier photos out there for cash rewards, in order to dilute the amount of possible evidence and material for consideration by the public. Isn't he then actually perpetrating consumer fraud himself? As he has no proof, he is attempting to reign in all the photos consumers have for consideration that he can under false pretenses, based purely on his own beliefs. Korff is not going to give his own money to these people for the photos. Oh, no. He is going to use the money of others, rich Middle-Easterners etc. Aren't they more interested in "getting at Meier" because of issues related to claims of Meier being a reincarnation of Mohammed? If so this has much more to do with religious fanaticism than critical thinking, and shows Korff to be at home being a pawn of religious fanaticism when it serves his own beliefs. And this man elevates himself as a leader of critical thinking? Bunkum! He has exposed himself. If you could be guilty he must also be guilty too for falsely saying the photos are faked when there is no proof; and he is attempting to have the public surrender what he just believes to be fakes but states categorically are fakes. Isn't it he that is actually lying to the public but blind as he is sees his lie in you? If his words could condemn you, they must of necessity condemn Korff himself. What a fool! Sincerely, cpl | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 385 Registered: 03-2004 |
"This 'Kal' does more FOR the mission, by constantly drawing attention to it. So bring it up again, genius, and make a special website for it while youre at it." HEAR HEAR! :-) Let us all drink to Kaptain Korff's work! Let's not forget that, for us dangerous Meier-UFO cultists, bad press is good press, particularly from a source as silly as Kal, who the mainstream ufologists promote as a source of credible information! How embarrasing for them! What are they going to do now? I'm just so sorry that KKK's promise of a 24 volume (!!!) book set about Billy, coming out next month, was evidently a delberate untruth calculated to deceive. Since Kal decided (or had decided for him) to emerge into the light again, I've started a little acknowledgement of that happy fact which can now be found @ www.gaiaguys.net/meier.whatsnew.htm It will grow. But the double-agent scenario IS compelling. With the possible exception of our dear co-worker "terraX/terrarubicon/E. Visser", few have done as much for the mission as Kal Korff. Ya gotta realise that those among us who are intellectually challenged are not going to save the planet, and only they will be fooled by Kal. Those who will ultimately be part of the solution (instead of remaining forever part of the problem) see through KKK like you can see through a pane of clear glass. Let's not forget that there would be a lot of desperately unhappy "insiders" who are frantic to get out of the corner they've painted themselves into, and ET Disclosure can take many counterintuitive forms. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Leann New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hello Edward, Thanks for the info on the horned ET. I read the Book of Enoch and saw the horns mentioned there. I have so much to learn and you guys are way ahead of me. Does anyone know if my name means anything in the book of names? I guess I should start learning German too. Thanks to all of you for being here and especially thanks to D&V for their hard work in translating. Leann | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 419 Registered: 06-2000 |
There is a statue of Moses somewhere with horns also . Mark Campbell | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 405 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Leann! Welcome aboard! And thanks for the kind words about our work, which we see as a great privilege, getting in on the ground floor, so to speak. Vivienne only started learning the language 3 and a half years ago, so it’s not impossible. (If you are here to stay (WE HOPE!) perhaps you'd like to tell us a bit about yourself?) Your name scored a happy hit on Page 240 of vol 2 of Billy’s Name Book (http://shop.figu.org/product_info.php?products_id=47 ) “LEAANA” = Die, die geliebt wird, (which means “She who will be loved”.) Enjoy the long steep learning-curve climb. You won’t regret the effort, given the priceless rewards. Cheers! Djson der Vorausschauende :-) | ||
Leann New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 08-2006 |
Thank you Djson for the warm welcome and especially for looking up my name for me. I am here to stay. I'm 51, blond and blue eyed, married 30 years (next week) and we have one daughter, Kelly Renee. I hold Billy and all of you in the highest regards and hope to meet all of you someday. I, like all of you, am trying to figure out where I fit in this picture. It feels good to know that there are others who think and act in the same way as I do. I also want to say a thank you to Michael Horn for his outstanding work and of course, with much love and respect, this most sincerest thanks of all to our beloved one Billy. Have a wonderful day all,,, Leann | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 408 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Leann, Thanks for that. I was curious if you are another Aussie. (Billy says, "Don't thank me. It's my duty. Thank Creation.") Cheers! Dyson | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 06-2006 |
* "I was curious if you are another Aussie." While reading the backlog of forum posts from the start, I couldn't help but notice the surprisingly high number of how many people here at this english forum mentioned they were from Australia. I am one too. It seems like as though a quarter of all people here at this english forum are from Oz. What could be the reason for this because it doesn't add up to the population figures? U.S. = 300 million England = 65 million Australia = 20 million | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hello Dyson, No sir, Texas girl born and bred. Too bad you are so far away, would love to buy you both dinner. I've just finished reading the most interesting of manuscripts and would love for you and others to give me your opinion on it. I found it very interesting in some of the references regarding how priests have been pedophiles since the very beginning and also it's take on the man named Jesus who was also known as Buda who the priests made into a false god. Have any of you ever read this? http://cruisenews.net/atlantis/oeralinda.html BTW, I do thank Creation and I will thank Billy, whether he likes it or not,,,,lol! Cheers to you too, Leann (and I do like the meaning of my name) | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 02-2006 |
I'm an Aussie too. If it averaged out according to 'per head of population', there should be 3 times as many British people here as Australian people, and 15 times as many U.S. American people here as Australians. That is something that is certainly not the case here at Figu's english forum. Could this have something to do with what Billy once said a while ago that went along the lines of the U.S. American people as a whole being one of the least spiritually evolved people? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 410 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, Leann, I thought you might be an Australian because your name is very popular here, as is your daughter’s, and both Texans (I spent time in San Antonio) and Australians have a similar style of happy and unaffected self-confidence. I haven’t studied Oera Linda (which I just downloaded) yet, but it reportedly (from what I’ve read about it) differs significantly from our history as presented by the Plejaren, and I’m always very suspicious of works that do that and at the same time are picked up and used by Blavatsky and the NAZIs, who are our natural enemies. These themes of Atlantis and Lemura/Mu crop up in ancient mythology because oral histories are surprisingly durable, in spite of the fact that they get garbled (and slanted) badly in the re-telling. Noah and the Great Flood go back more than a hundred thousand years. Australian Dreamtime stories go right back to Homo Erectus. Alan, funny that you should mention that about the overrepresentation of Australians here, because I did those same calculations independently this morning. There are supposedly about a billion English-speakers on this planet. My guess is that Vivienne and I can take some of the credit/blame for that, since our website is astronomically popular, getting literally millions of hits a day, and the majority of the site is non-Meier, but not at all unrelated. So those that come to learn about the current criminal manifestations of the Bafath troublemakers presumable find Billy and his logical explanations for what the heck is going on, and his practical solutions to the problem. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Alan Maybe there are enough of us to have a meeting some time in the future. I gather we are quite spread out though. I am in the South east corner of Queensland and Dyson & Vivienne are maybe a 6 hour driving distance for me --- but I know others are in Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide. Where are you? I am only aware of about 13 of us or so - but then, that is only those I am aware of. But I agree, for a small nation, we are well represented. Best to you Robjna | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 207 Registered: 06-2005 |
How exciting that so many of us in OZ are so interested in the Spiritual Teachings, maybe we could become the founders of the 'Creative group in 'OZiland'? I personally would really like it. And yet how strange that we don't know each other, HHmmmm ???? As Semjase said: "Seek, and you shall find, Knock, and it will be opened to you". | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1038 Registered: 12-1999 |
Vestri, Maybe you could sight your source for your comment regarding the US is the least spiritually evolved? It's interesting there are over 500 members on this forum, but maybe 20 or so post on an active basis. Almost all of the passive members who post on another portion of this forum which isn't visible unless you are a passive member are for the most part American's and Canadians. Interestingly, almost all of the original members of the forum in the early years were Americans...To be honest, I have found many people on this forum while having an interest in Billy Meier, haven't read or studied much of the material on this forum or have read many of the books or booklets...there are numerous people who look at the forum almost daily but do not post for various reasons?.....just some of my observations | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 173 Registered: 04-2006 |
The thing is, did you aussies know of the existence of Meier thanks to Dyson and his popular website, or due to other reasons? I also find somewhat strange that 90 % of the german and english forum members are men.... | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 08-2006 |
I have found the past timelines quite confusing to say the least. I realize the Oera Linda is probably fiction but to tell you the truth every time I read anything that references the number 7 in it so many times, I do pay closer attention. Needless to say, I did enjoy the adventure of reading it. Are the Dreamtime stories you mentioned anywhere on the web for me to read? I would love to know where all of you live and what your names mean. Please don't tell me I'm the only Texan that has found you guys.... G'day ya'll Leann | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 374 Registered: 07-2005 |
g'day hector Yeah hector, it was vivienne's article that did it, shame on her :-) :-) I am always eternally grateful and keep it in the back of my mind as always. Although I might add, my initial exposure was seeing billy's wedding cake ufo hovering above the little van before dysons's website and I must say, I was put off and didn't bother touching it fo awhile, I was a skeptic until I ran into vivienne's article which I read a number of times because as you know things like this doesn't quite get through the head as easily as a sponge soaking up water. The rest is history. cheers matt | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 06-2006 |
I didn't come across the gaiaguys site until after joining this forum. My intro to Billy was when a friend asked me if I would use my faster connection to download some things for him. I did that, and then watched them, and the rest is history. Interestingly, the friend who asked me to download them is not particularly involved in it all --- just knows about it, but has not studied it in any depth. I have a question about the Wedding cake ship. Does anyone know if there has been any witness other than billy to this particular craft? I would think that if it did land in front of the house, others may have seen it. I would like to know who else witnessed it. Of all the pics I have, the photographer is Billy. Robjna | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 02-2006 |
Scott: "Vestri, Maybe you could sight your source for your comment regarding the US is the least spiritually evolved? It's interesting there are over 500 members on this forum, but maybe 20 or so post on an active basis." Hi Scott, no I don't remember the exact source of where Billy said that comment about the US people. I was actually hoping someone else would remember where AND what the comment was exactly that Billy said. Yes, even out of the current active members that post here, there is still an unusually high number of Australians posting considering the small population of Oz. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Dyson, your website would be popular all around the world if it were getting millions of hits a day wouldn't it? I can't see the majority of all those hits coming from Australia. btw Dyson Gaiaguysnets is my second fav site after this one. Thanks and keep up the good work. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 06-2006 |
* "Where are you?" Hi Robjna, I live in Melbourne. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 418 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Alan, Sure, mate, only a very small minority come from Australia. Most seem to come from Virginia, the spook center of the universe! ;-) Cheers! Dyson | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 721 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... Angela Merkel, whom is the Bondschancellor of Germany, has with Prime Minister Prodi of Italy, summoned to make a law to ban any type of 'Swastika' symbol within the European Union. Angela Merkel has taken a conspicuous position in the EU now, and the step mentioned will be the first in a list of changes in the EU...to ban out discrimination. Knowing, that Switzerland is in the EU, there may be a 'Collision Course' in the making, when this law gets through? Those whom are familiar with the Nokodemion symbols of 'Leben im licht and Lebensdunkelheit' may wonder if these 2 symbols will fall in that same category that may be 'forbidden' in the EU? Well, if Christian and Billy are not yet up-to-date with the mentioned; now they both are informed? Perhaps another problematic situation added, here..to the Mission? Positively not, if destiny permits!? Edward. | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 137 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Edward, Regarding your statement „Knowing, that Switzerland is in the EU” Switzerland is not in the EU… but seeing how things are developing there with the propaganda to join the EU it will happen sooner or later, but till today Switzerland is not in the EU. It only joined the UN a few years ago… Salome, Badr | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 725 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Junior.... Thank you for the information. I was aware that they were in the nomination faze, but was not sure. Thank you for the confirmation. And yes, I guess Switzerland may indeed keep distance from being a part of the EU. Nothing wrong....with keeping their own Identity, not? And thus, No Problems with the Nokodemion symbols of 'Leben im licht and Lebensdunkelheit', positively. Edward. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 441 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, Before the most recent FIGU Special Bulletin surfaced, and I got caught up in another time-consuming round of translations, I mentioned that I had a little tirade underway. Please bear with me and I’ll try to be concise. Here goes. The surprise from a lot of my fellow FIGU fans about the Prophet’s recent information about the United States’ Central Intelligence Agency - not to mention the illogical persistence of anachronistic remarks on the discussion board about conspiracy “theories” - indicates that what FIGU has been trying to tell us all these years about who’s pulling the planet’s strings has not yet adequately sunk in. I read somewhere that “denial” usually takes 3 to 5 years to overcome. (Hence, I guess, the recent encouraging progress from the 9/11 Truth Campaign.)* Please let me summarise. (According to FIGU), in a nutshell: up until May, 1978, there were, for thousands of years, thousand of highly technologically advanced evil space aliens, (Bafath/Giza Intelligences) fuelled by insane revenge, hiding under the Great Pyramid of Giza (see a U.S. one dollar bill please) who organised the sacrificial torturing and eating (etc.) of our children all over the world, cloaked by weird secret religious sects and creepy secret societies who still hold the reigns and the whips tightly. They would rather die and take us all with them than give up power. This group was responsible for the intrigue and infiltration which engendered the wars between, and the ultimate total destruction of, the highly advanced (much higher than we are now) legendary civilizations of Atlantis and Lemura/Mu. Sound completely crazy? If so, they have done their psyops (psychological operation) job quite successfully. Please see www.gaiaguys.net/AYTF-Giza.htm The connection between the group known as the CIA and the Dalai Lama, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, and many others I can think of past and present, is not something which requires a Prophet to inform you about. Please see www.gaiaguys.net/kaygriggstalks.htm The various Bafath puppets communicate not through words but through supranational symbols, gestures and color-combinations, which are instantly recognised in what Billy calls "eingeweighten Kreisen" (those who are in initiated circles), or among those of us outsiders who have made the effort to learned their language. Please see: www.gaiaguys.net/symbols.htm This huge international Freemason/Zionist/homosexual/pedophile/CIA/UFO conspiracy is deliberately designed to earn any unbiased conspiracy researcher, who is brave enough to share what s/he’s discovered, the reflexive brand: paranoid schizophrenic, with concomitant derision from the deliberate truth-twisters and all their millions of brainwashed, dumbed-down sycophants. Various components of the conspiracy are described even in the participating corrupt corporate press (www.gaiaguys.net/mediacorruption.htm) in such a way that in their isolated articles act like a kind of subtle - and thus all the more effective - psychological warfare, nibbling away at the edges of the ignorant and frightened public’s psychic safety zones. But when these articles are collected back together and read in that context, the things Billy and the Plejaren Federation tell us about are there for all to see … perhaps not in such detail, but there, none the less, in broad and unmistakable brushstrokes. Please check out my friend Fred’s site, as he is one of the best there is in reassembling these scattered press clippings. www.wanttoknow.info So the surprise that is evinced from these confirmations from Billy is a symptom of a kind of dangerous narrow-mindedness, if/when we eagerly devour the bulletins and contact conversations, without also informing ourselves of the broader context which has already been well established independently of this source. Thanks for hearing me out. Salome, Dyson *while I’m at it, the original CNN footage of the second tower’s demolition, manifestly demonstrates the mind-boggling effects of the one of the “new weapons” mentioned in #251. Watch the 70-story-tall right side of the remaining steel core (erroneously referred to by the stunned commentator as the “side” of the building) simply turn to dust and blow away. THIS is the mother of all smoking guns, and WAAAAAY too far out for the technologically uninformed, for them to even believe their own EYES! (www.cheniere.org) (http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/spire/The%20Strange%20Collapse%20of%20the%20Spire.htm) | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Dyson, I may be missing something, but didn’t Billy and the Plejarans (Ptaah) say the towers were destroyed by fire caused from the explosion of fuel from the aircraft that crashed into the buildings? And didn’t he also say the “new weapons” are not yet in the possession of the USA and Russia? I cannot see anywhere that he said “new weapons” were responsible for the buildings collapse. Could it be that you are just “seeing” what you want to in the footage? I mean the guy at that chernie site claims “new weapons” were responsible for Katrinia, the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, space shuttle Challenger…and about another ten whoppers. Again, Billy and the Plejarans have said those disasters were attributed to the same causes reported by the "authorities". Just something to consider. As I'm sure you know, Billy and the Plejarans say they don't lie. Best regards and peace to all. P.S.: I know my posting here appears mainstream and conventional, but I am not wedded to any particular ideas. I'll consider any and all evidence in the matters. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 95 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Jakes, Billy didn't say that the WTC towers were brought down by the fuel in the planes. He said that it was explosives (thermite?) that were deliberately put into the planes which was responsible for bringing down the towers. Hello Billy, In answering previous questions concerning the collapse of the WTC Towers, you indicated that at high levels the US Government had awareness of the plan to crash planes into the buildings. Not only did they have awareness, they did nothing to stop it. You also indicated that explosives were aboard the planes. Therefore, we might consider that the explosives were a decisive factor in the buildings collapse. If the US Government did not carry out the acts, then we must conclude that the Arab/Muslim/terrorists who were alleged to have crashed the planes did in fact both put the explosives on the planes and crash them into the buildings (the planes were not steered via remote control). Does this scenario concur with the facts as you know them, or have I gotten some things wrong? Please correct me wherever I am wrong. Thank you. Answer "The main reason for the towers to crash down was the extreme heat that let the metal structure melt. As far as Billy knows the explosives on the plane were in liquid form, but he does not know how the explosives were brought on the planes. Yes, high levels of the US Government knew about the project, but on the one hand did not take it serious or on the other hand had the idea, that such an attack would deliver them cause to start a worldwide war against terrorism, including actions against issues that had nothing to do with terrorism. They were playing with fire." http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/6520.html?1156805049 | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1053 Registered: 12-1999 |
There is a section for postings regarding the WTC-Thanks Scott The Planet Earth » Miscellaneous » New York City Twin Towers Terrorist Hijacking | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Alan, Thanks for clarifying that. Peace and best regards | ||
Shemyaza New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hello everyone, how are you? Well, I'm a new member of the forum, from Portugal, but I really don't understand where & how can I write new posts, or replies to old posts. Can anyone help me about this? Another thing... I was told by a friend of mine that according to Billy Meier's calculations, Jmmanuel would have been born on February 3rd of the year zero. Well, in which calendar: the gregorian or the julian calendar? Thanks for your time and attention! Saalome, Shemyaza | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Shemyaza and welcome to the board. Can I ask if Shemyaza is your real name or is it that because you are going to try to make some sort of point later in relation with Billy's ET friend called Semjase? | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hey Shemyaza, Are you being disrespectful or what? It's Semjase isn't it? | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 169 Registered: 10-2005 |
Welcome Shemyaza, Is your name en la língua Portuguesa for Semjase? Plejaren calendar is 49,741 since the date of eternal peace (SB 1065). Apparently the calendar used in the U.S. (Julian?) is about four years off from the actual birth of Jmmanuel which would actually make this year 2007... 2011. Billy Meiers' birthday is indeed Feb 3, but that does not necessarily have to be the same birthday as Jmmanuels'. The spiritform that enlivens Billy Meier's body is the same spirit-form yet different body/personality that enlivened Jmmanuel. The Mayan (meaning secret or hidden) calendar stops in 2012. As to reading and assimilation of data from old and new posts it is useful to use the search function at the top of this page. You can search by subject/topic via keyword, member or date or check new messages at the top left of this page. Highlight the topics you're interested in and transfer them to your favorite word processor and type crtl P to paste print them out and read via hard copy at your leisure for less tedious assimilation of this data. | ||
Artie3000 New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hello Billy I have got so many questions to You, but I would like to put only three of them at this time. 1) What should be a proper decision of polish government about America's plan to build anti-missile shield installation in Poland? 2)Is the xylitol sweetner really good for human body? 3)What is Your opinion about Atlant's ring? (Properties and effects to human body and mind) Best Greetings to You and Your/Our Pleiadians Friends, especially to Asket, she is cute  Hello Artie, Billy does not read the forum. There is a section to post 1 Question to him, which is then given to him for answering. I would advise checking the section every few days, because it fills up quickly. At present the section is closed, but should open within the next few weeks. Please refer to the following link. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/1871.html?1167169900 Scott-Moderator | ||
Shemyaza New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hello again, Well, I didn't register in this forum to contradict Billy Meier because I didn't read much about him, *yet*. I must also say that I am a bit skeptical about what I've read already, but it isn't my purpose to create any conflicts in here: I just want to have a healthy conversation, and I give you my word that I won't cause any trouble in this forum. If the moderators consider that I'm being disrespectful, then they can ban me and I won't argue their decision. Period. Now, concerning the name Shemyaza: -> no, this is not my real name, of course. My name is Luís Gonçalves ("Der Beobachter" already knows me from other places), i'm 25 years old, and I live in Portugal. -> I've only chosen it because I have already read about it in the Ethyopian Book of Enoch, where it is given as the name of the leader of the "Fallen Angels". It's just that, and it has nothing to do with contradicting Billy Meier. I'm sorry if I gave you a wrong impression about me. Finally, i must thank Rarena for her (his?) reply. Thanks for your attention and time. Best regards, Luís Gonçalves | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 429 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hello Luis ; Welcome to the forum . I think you will find much informaton here to keep you interested at least . Thanks for your sinceridad . Enjoy it . Kind Regards, Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 170 Registered: 10-2005 |
My pleasure to help, am definately a guy, Rarena stands for Randy Arena. Henoch... it is my understanding, was also a spiritual predecessor of Billy Meier, same spiritform different body/personality according to the Plejaren. Here is the order: Nokodemjon, Henok, Henoch, Jmmanual, Mohammed and Billy. Enjoy learning about this facinating subject! Randy ô¿ô | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1061 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Rarena, Don't know if your familiar with this article or not, but you are missing a few personalities in regards to the lineage of Billy's Spirit form, during his mission on earth. Please read the following article entitled "Clarification of a Defamatory Claim" by Hans Georg Lanzendorfer. Here is the link: http://www.figu.org/us/figu/billy_meier/claim.htm Regards Scott | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 190 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Scott, Now that you mention it, you can read up on some things, etc, relating to Astro-theology which goes into detail about Jesus Christ also being a fictional character and when I say that I don't mean Jmmanuel, but rather I mean Jesus Christ as being a fictional character created from more ancient deities like Osiris and Dionysus. Peace in being, James Truthseeker | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1062 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi James, You know it would be interesting to know how Jmmanuel's brother Jacob and Paul actually came up with this name. It appears the name carries negative connotations to it, whether they knew this I am not sure. Nice to hear from you again. Regards Scott | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 191 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Scott, From what I learned from a group of Essenes once is that the name Jesus Christ is actually a name from Greek which translates into "Ya-Zeus Christos", which means "Anointed Son of Zeus" and the son of Zeus was of course "Dionysus". Good to hear from you too. Perhaps we can chat on-line again sometime. James Truthseeker | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 171 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Scott, Billy's previous incarnations mentioned in my previous post came due to limited time constraints... from this board. Although, the order appears... correct? There are probably millions of incarnations that we are unaware of. From the OM (Book of books...)C20:V95 (German Version): The human races and peoples of Earth were provided prophets from ancient days, and for this reason were sent to Earth Enoch (Henok) and Elijah (Elja), Isaiah (Jesaja), Jeremiah (Jeremja), Jmmanuel and Mohammed in direct succession and with ensuing rebirth ... ******************************************************************** (Billy being the "seventh" prophet) the seventh son of the seventh son... http://www.figu.org/us/figu/billy_meier/claim.htm You're right, as to the above reference article you've so graciously directed us to, rightly indicates: Jemmanuel was NOT the purely fictitious sectarian character Jesus Christ nor should there have been any indication that he was... as that would be more than defamatory. Please forgive me if it was, in any way, shape or form implied in my previous post to Luis (Shemyaza). Have read that article many times, thank you for bringing it to our attention. Materialistic, non spiritually motivated people who may not correctly understand this message and therefore incorrectly identify with their personality....their body... their car... their reputation... their past acomplishments etc... when... in actuality, they are far greater than any and all of those previous mentioned personality based materialistic/intellectual traits. Billy vehemently denies being a materialist as he has by his awesome and profound actions... dedicated his next 60,000,000,000 years to be with us in this incarnate cycle so we get this exact message: stop our materialistic, ego driven, power hungry ways. It is my understanding that no other spiritform has ever come back from Arahat Athersata; a highly advanced spiritual plane which takes on average about 80,000,000,000 years to achieve entrance... Again thank you for the reminder, it is necessary to remember the basics, and it is also greatly appreciated and helpful in correcting our learning process. | ||
Mqhassan Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 06-2006 |
Dear FIGU Members, I have been going through the english translation done by Dyson and Vivienne regarding the 236th and 238th contacts, and some recent corrections mentioned on the numbers regarding Nokodemion. When reading through the conversation between Billy and Ptaah regarding the ages of different celestial bodies of the universe, I think that some errors were detected. A)- According to known astrophysics, the distance between our solar system to the center of the galaxy is given as 30 thousand LY and not as Billy mentioned to Ptaah as 45 thousand LY, according to earth scientists. The correct value given by the Plejarens is 35,002 LY is actually more that our measurements and as a result the orbital period around the galaxy becomes 311 million years instead of the currently known 250 million years . B)- The Age of the galaxy is given as 810,000,000,000 whereas in a differnt contact the suns age is given as 1,4 trillion years, which doesnt make sense, unless we are talking of the solar creation happening before the creation of our Milky Way Galaxy. Salome Mqhassan } | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 238 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Scott and James, The name "Jesus Christ" is just the final English derivative, and obviously was not the original name. Before this was the early Portuguese Iesu Christos or Christo, and before that…? The “I” and “J” were somewhat interchangeable for a while, the “J” being soft. It became a hard “J” in the final English version somewhere around the Middle Ages (1500-1700?). Even in early editions of Shakespeare’s works the “J” in Jew was not a “J” but a soft “I” as Ieu or Iew, and pronounced virtually as “U” or “You”. Some have opined Immanuel's first name was Esu or Iesu. Has Billy ever confirmed or refuted this? Iesu does not look too different from "Ya-Zeus" when taking into account the immense changes names undergo once they enter another completely different language. Iesu is also almost the same as Ieu, which could be a clue as to where the interpretation “King of the Jews” came from. It has been said -- in contrast to what the Ps and FIGU material have discussed -- that the word “Christos” had associations with the light of spirit or the highest or kingly light. Whatever, it is likely the name was adopted to gain acceptance among the more religious Greeks that Paul (and others?) was working hard to convert to his particular interpretation of things. This kind of thing – titles becoming surnames -- was common. Siddartha became Gautama Buddha or Sakyamuni Buddha. Buddha meaning “the awakened one” it became used by many as a surname, which it wasn’t (and still isn’t). Gotta go. Best, Chris | ||
Fatmarley New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2007 |
Howdy all, this is my first post on this forum and I thank you for accepting my membership. I would like to state that I became interested through an interview on Coast to Coast with Michael Horn, but since researching it more I have gone from a believer to a skeptic. At first I think I really connected with the idea of Spirituality and the negativity of Religion on the development of Earth. Image the advancements we would have made if the Church had not started what we call the Dark Ages and hindered our scientific advancement for hundred of years. Anyways I have a few questions to ask. Since Randolph Winters has been labeled a fraud, how much truth or accuracy is there in his Audio Contact Notes? Secondly, I have a question concerning a picture I was viewing. (NR 829:26 Marz 1981, Sackler, Durstelen.) In this picture the large ship is hovering over top of a smaller vehicle. Why does the ship not cast a shadow over top of the car below, yet the car in the foreground and the hut in the background all cast a shadow? | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 208 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Fatmarley, there are two categories of truthbringers, the ones who seek money and profit, and the ones who don't.Randy is in the business for the money and his personal reputation, not because he shares any of the goals of the so called mission.He is using Figu Material without permission, that says it all. His audio contact notes can be a good start for a newcomer, but what i say is why should we get the copy/interpretation when whe can get the original authentic teachings?With the original Figu Contents you directly avoid any misinterpretation. 2) http://shop.figu.org/images/f0829.jpg It seems the shadow you refer to is proyected far to the left of the picture. | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 566 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Fatmarley Welcome to the forum Regarding the photo NR 829, as you can see that the ship is not hovering over the top of the smaller vehicle. In fact, the ship is hovering quite close to the camera, its shadow is on the ground close to the camera hence is not within the range of the photo. We can see that the focus is set on the smaller vehicle and the ship is out of focus because it is too close to the camera. Have a nice stay Savio | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 561 Registered: 03-2004 |
NO, dammit! Randy Winter's audio tapes CANNOT "be a good start for beginners". As I have written until my fingers hurt, Randy has mostly got it right, but adds so much cunning disinformation to the mix that, unless and until one of his victims ever make the effort to read and understand the entire German language set texts, s/he is unlikely to ever get back on the straight and narrow path of truth which ALONE leads to joy, freedom, love, peace, spiritual balance, etc. It is NOT something that can simply be outgrown as your understanding of the genuine material matures, becasue you will never identify all of Randy's lies. The same applies to Randy Arena. Please understand that the Meier material is uniquely devistatingly destructive of the staus quo and those now is power are - like their Bafath puppetmasters - trained in slimey, cunning intrigues, not just military might. Even if and when you do read all the German language publications, there will be lingering confusion and misunderstandings about some of the more prosaic details of the history of the mission, because Randy was (apparently) a sort-of deep-insider for long enough to have had some experience with some of the matters which are only presented in the later stages of the private spirit-lessons, which are never to be shared with outsiders, for the same reason that we do not tell school boys how easy it is to make high-explosives from commonly found household substances. Get this into you, people. It’s no joke. Randy is uniquely dangerous because – as I have written time and time again – some joker like Kal K. Korff is very obviously anti-Meier, so no serious student of the renewed teachings would look to him for accurate information. Randy, on the other hand, is a wolf in shepherd’s clothing. His material is so voluminous that trying to separate his disinformation (he is clearly not JUST a profit-greedy person, if you look into his military-intelligence background!) from the truth is like trying to separate a bowel movement form a bowl of punch. Go right ahead and drink deeply it if you want. It’s your choice, but don’t be surprised if you get sick, and at least make an INFORMED choice. Please see www.gaiaguys.net/randywinters.htm Fat Marley, you write, “I have gone from a believer to a skeptic.” This is a positive move, but the self-made designation “believer” indicates that you have come from a place which will not serve healthy skepticism, nor ever lead you from the “High Church of Skepticism” (which has NOTHING to do with the scientific method) to the realm of knowledge. Good luck with your search for truth. I strongly suggest you understand this: www.tjresearch.info/denial.htm Peace in wisdom, Dyson | ||
Fatmarley New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2007 |
Seems to be some disagreement over Mr Winters and how much truth we can find in his contact tapes. But to be honest to you, the easiest information out there to obtain is his contact tapes. The idea that I have to learn German in order to fully understand and appreciate the words of Billy Meier, is honestly not something I am willing to do. Many say they will, but I'm sure few have. Besides most of my energy is being put towards learning Korean. Anyways, I was looking for information on WHY the ET's that were suppose to contact the US in the year 2000 was persuaded not to come. And not knowing all the facts, isn't the mission of the Pleiadians to help shape the Spiritual Development of our planet in such away as to not directly interfere in such development. And since they knew said Aliens were coming to our planet as Prophecised, they warned them to not contact us. Hoping all my information is accurate, is this not a direct interference into our Earthly affairs and should not have been a choice they could or should have made. | ||
Mikaelmetso New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2007 |
Greetings Fatmarley (and all), I think the E.Ts have to take care of their own security as well. I'm sure many of the Earth's megalomanic agencies would be very delighted to have their dirty hands on some more extraterrestrial technology. We also have the example of the Tunguska incident, see: http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierb59.htm and http://www.gaiaguys.net/Tunguska.htm, and http://www.gaiaguys.net/fermi.htm, which relates to certain extraterrestrial people who had, some time in the history, carried the insanity of terrestrial religion to their home planets, causing much destruction. The whole matter of public contact with extraterrestrials doesn't only deal with us, and our rights, etc., but also with the rights of the extraterrestrials, whose safety needs to be taken into a consideration as well. This is really quite a multifaceted issue. I have often sighed with relief for the fact that such open, public and official contact hasn't still taken place. In my opinion, our Mankind isn't still very ready for such a contact, and should such an event come into being in the near future, it could cause some serious havoc among our people and the E.Ts themselves. By the way, what comes to the misleading information provided by some, like Randolph Winters, we seem to thirst so much (at least when we are just beginning to appreciate the "water" and recognize the need for it) that we drink easily in excess, without distinguishing too well what is good for us. It may lead to that unfortunate end which also faced the guy who was exceedingly jubilant over finding a water hole in the desert, and only after drinking his belly full discovered the lack of insects in the water and the multitude of bones. I think it is indeed very good to make the extra effort in order to drink from the unpolluted pond. | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 10-2006 |
Mikaelmetso, Welcome to the forum. You sound very much like Dyson Devine. Are you him? Peace and best regards. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 219 Registered: 07-2004 |
Fatmarley, the Plejaren are here for many reasons, some stretching back thousands of years, and it's not a difficult task to spend some time into finding the answers for your questions regarding these beings. What you could end up discovering about yourself, and the world you live in, may help your ability in clarifying truly deeper questions we all carry inside each of us. Regardless of what side of the fence you come from, the knowledge that one gains from knowing more about the real truth's of our historical past, changes the image you have of yourself. Our planet struggles because we've never been given straight answers to the questions we ask to make better decisions and improve our chances for becoming more than we've been able to become so far. Logic is the tool that can cut through the garbage we are led to believe. Evaluate what you have been told and hold it up to the fire. If your mind can differentiate between what is truly logical from what would melt if put to the test, you should have no problem discovering some amazing pieces of incredibly useful knowledge for yourself, one way or the other. Welcome to figu... a friend in america Shawn | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 194 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dyson, My own creative force is me... Know nothing about Randy Winters, have never read or listened to his stuff. Please do not mistake me for him. As to my knowledge, it is of course lacking in the subject so new to all of us on Earth. That's one good reason for discussion in places like this discussion forum. I am a beginner in this subject. If you can correct my thinking in ANY WAY it will be greatly and genuinely appreciated. Making random general statements and insinuating nonexistent affiliations does nothing but cause confusion. Like words…the clear water is best … Sectarian dogmas, such as bafath, giza and religions are not my thing... never have been. Trained in slimy, cunning intrigues... wolf in Sheppard’s' clothing... eh eh that's funny Dyson. You must be defaming another Randy... Randy does mean Wolf in ole English but it also means Protector as in the Truth. The meaning of a name is not necessarily the meaning of a person, we are not mindless puppets... Some people seek absolute truths. What you focus on grows... Abolish the human figments and let rule the highest creative spiritual forces. Whether ‘tis nobler to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune or to take arms against a sea of troubles… and thus by opposing… end them. | ||
Artie3000 Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 01-2007 |
Best Greetings to Billy, Our Plejarans Friends, FIGU Staff, FIGU FORUM Readers/Members and all Good Will People with this polish spring flower  | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 565 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Randy, You write, "As to my knowledge, it is of course lacking in the subject so new to all of us on Earth." Then PLEASE stop trying to TEACH it until you have learned it. PLEASE! That is very very simple logic. PLEASE. PLEASE stop trying to teach it until you have LEARNED it. The Meier material is not infinite, it is only voluminous and rather complex in places, but it CAN be learned. It’s not as hard as – say – radar, just that it’s in German and that is the biggest hurdle for most people. It’s not as “new to all of us on Earth” as personal computing and the Internet, and a lot of people have managed to acquire a knowledge of that which is not “lacking”. And if their knowledge of that IS lacking, then they are being grossly personally irresponsible if they make out that they can teach it, and do so publicly, and thereby mislead others about how to do it. Maybe ask questions (instead of making false statements) if you cannot find the answers you seek in your study of the material, Randy, but please please please stop trying to teach people information with which you are not adequately familiar. It is just about the mot spiritually dangerous thing that anybody can do. You must understand that. It’s for your OWN good and well as that of others. I told you again and again and again that I do not have time to correct all your many errors of fact presented as knowledge and accepted as such by other ignoramuses. This discussion forum does not have the oversight by adequately informed people necessary to correct all the errors of fact (not to mention false religious teachings posing as Billy’s true teachings!) that find their way onto it and remain forever unaddressed, which I see recycled elsewhere at fact. I do not now, nor ever have confused you with Randolph Winters, and you damn well know it, so please stop trying to highjack the agenda with your self-demeaning red herrings and snide derision. You know perfectly well that I was not confusing you two, but simply comparing your work and the evil effect it has, absolutely totally and completely independent of any motives, which are neither particularly relevant, nor within my ability to determine. Salome, Dyson | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 461 Registered: 06-2000 |
I would like to make a comment in observation of what has turned nasty here . To be fair , I will take no sides at all , but describe what I see as being useful and recommend to discard the rest . Mr. Arena has come with certain and general advice for living that may or may not harmonize with the geisteslehre ,(which is the only reason we are here on this forum ).I have always maintained that this is not a general "UFOMystery Site" , or what-have -you .It's certainly not a success motivation site either . Mr. Devine has taken the harsh word of truth avenue , which is arguably the best path to take , nonetheless , the way he has chosen to express himself . The importance of one person over the other doesn't exist , which stated seems to reflect what I've learned to be true in life as well as with the relevant study . I have read Mr. Arena's posts, which are informative and interesting , and others which seem to insinuate that some very basic things need to be taught , again , basic principles , many which have success motivation origins . Again , since we are not a group of fledgeling prophets ourselves , should for the purity of the service that this website provides , keep teachings divided and identified between what is Geisteslehre and just good old country common sense , or whatever . That way if there are simple and impressionable people who visit the site , they will not be misled. To deny someone the right to give advice is too controlling , to assume that everyone wants to be guided by a complete stranger is also extremely assumptive , to be honest. Regardless of one's life struggles, hardships and lessons learned , everyone came here to learn Mr. Meier's advice .Mr. Devine , for all his hard work and scrutiny of specific meaning in translation , has until now not really given his own personal advice , so I assume that he already knows the difference . Since there has been a sharp and forceful accent to his part of this , of course it's become personal , with some ego apparently to the front , from both parties . At the heart of the matter is the fact that the rest of us deserve to be spared from such dark exchanges therefore , a considerate dissolving of the conflict is what I suggest . Of course this is only my own personal observation, and does not reflect the geisteslehre ; and since this is exactly the case , I have identified my opinion and decided to leave the appropriate quoting of the OM or other official advice to others , if anyone cares to intercede . I felt that the exchange was going nowhere , with fault finding being the thirsty fire with no end . Teaching is a large responsibility . Until one has mastered all aspects of the concepts , would be foolish to insist . We are all helping each other with what we have learned , therefore we should respond with only wisdom , instead of self-pride in defence of our own viewpoint . One simply doesn't strongly object consistently without having some grounds for doing so , that is , the one who is objected to might take the objective view as sound advice , given sincerely in service of everyone . MC Mark Campbell | ||
Mikaelmetso New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2007 |
Jakes, No, I'm not Dyson, I'm Mikael (as one can see from my username). I was known before by the name "Jani" on this forum, though. Kindly, M | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 198 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Group, Well written with all respect... Mark. It is always nice to see your input. You appear as someone actively using Geisteslehre rather than enforceing or preaching them which may have consciously/unconsciously entered my numerous posts and will follow your example from now on. In defense of myself, my postings were always in awe of the voluminous material that Billy Meier and the Plejaren have revealed to us. It was never intended by me to do anything other than share this amazing, astounding, exciting and pertinent material; reminding those reading about a way we can all exist peacefully. When people incorrectly mention certain things my response is to correct or defend that. To me... it is paramount that the people of our planet know and practice this material correctly as to not make the same mistake of two thousand years ago in the time of Jmmanuel. After all, this is a discussion forum where we expound upon the revelations made to us with others and learn from that, is it not? That people are not peaceful due to my postings indicates some sort of change has to be taken by me. This may be Creations' way of showing me to be more humble, less arrogant and more conscious about my approach... a learning in progress. For Dyson and the rest of the group, it has always been my policy to openly accept and consider any advice from you as sound information from your objective viewpoint and keep that in mind when practicing,learning and posting these references from the Meier material. Please feel free to offer any correction, direction, thoughts or knowledge in any way and at any time... consider me as someone honestly trying to learn the Om, Geisteslehre and other materials on this natural/creational subject... am never offended, ever. Really! Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace on Earth and among all beings... | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Mikael, Thanks for clarifying that. From looking at your postings under "Jani", you haven't been here for quite some time. Just curious, what brought you back? Thanks. Peace and best regards. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 571 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Randy, Why do you, in one breath, say, "It was never intended by me to do ANYTHING than share THIS amazing, astounding, exciting and pertinent (FIGU) material...", and then go on to say,"... some sort of change has to be taken by me. This may be Creations' way of showing me to be more HUMBLE.. " ???????????????????????????????? See? You give ignorant people the idea that you are actually informed about the material and then display (to those who are) that the MOST BASIC aspects of the teachings you do not only get wrong, you get 100% backwards. Why o why o why? Humilty (Latin from humis[dirt]) is what's WRONG with this sorry planet, and is at the core of the false religious bulls--t from the Bafath, who you serve very well, whether you, or anybody else here, knows it or not. Then you say it doesn’t matter if you are wrong (even when TEACHING wrong) and insinuate that I’m merely ego-motivated. Get real, man. Share it once you’ve got it to share, and not before. OK? What do I have to do? PLEASE learn it first. I fight hard for the truth, Randy. You serially rape it. Nothing at all personal, just the hard truth. Dear Markc, My personal views are – happily – almost entirely consonant with Billy’s teachings, and largely were long before I found them, but I certainly do make my views known here, particularly when I disagree with FIGU’s particular (openly expressed) views on things like crop circles, www.gaiaguys.net/meier.puzzlesolution.htm and the Protocols of Zion. www.gaiaguys.net/protocols.htm I'm naturally happy to have any and all personal views expressed here, but NOT when they are wrongly represented as the true spiritual teachings! I will oppose that as strongly as I have to. If anybody wants to read more about what I do, please come into the front page www.gaiaguys.net. And you’ll see that Billy Meier is only a small part of our work here. We’re no shrinking violets! But if ego was our motivation, or personalities, we would not be as effective as we are. Creation does not work that way, and why would we be prepared to endure the ceaseless calumny? Cheers! Dyson | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 02-2006 |
Well said Dyson, I fully agree with everything you said there! You know a large amount of the spiritual teachings after reading all of Billys german spiritual books, and you have always been firmist on steering and keeping wayward people in line to Billys correct spiritual teachings. I don't see no ego there. There was too much corruption of the spiritual teachings in the past, lets get off on the right foot this time and stop the corruption. So I say thank you for doing that Dyson, because that can only be a good thing for the distribution and "discussions" of the true spiritual teachings. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 577 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, I’ve brought this over from http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/1180.html#POST25962 and am putting it here because more appropriate threads are locked off. Dear Vestri, Thanks for your welcome help, and I'm assuming that, when you write, "I don't see no ego there", you are using the traditional Australian double negative? :-) I hope so! Dear Jakes, you wrote, “The Soviet Union collapsed mainly because they tried, and failed, to control all information in an information age. If controlling the information on this FIGU discussion forum was so important, wouldn’t Billy, Christian or other FIGU members monitor and censor it more closely? Of course they have bigger fish to fry, so if they don’t think controlling the info here is that important, why should we?” (That is not mainly why the USSR collapsed, but that is another matter.) Could the Earth humans here please try harder to understand the critical difference between - on one hand - “controlling information” (which I’m not so stupid to think anyone can do, as our website demonstrates!), and – on the other hand – CORRECTING MISINFORMATION? It is suggested that all there are here are various opinions. An opinion is a personal view which is held with something less than certainty. A fact is a fact is a fact and can be determined through logic and very hard work. Please read www.gaiaguys.net/meier.truth.htm The renewed teachings are not my opinions, and they can be represented correctly or wrongly. When they are represented wrongly, SOMEBODY here SHOULD correct them before they spread. I’m seriously trying to figure out who to complain to because so much false religious teachings here are passed off as Billy’s, and nobody here seems to know or even CARE. Yes, indeed. Where is Jacob and Christian or some other German-reader when this sort of truth-abuse is going on? I’m talking to YOU, moderators. I have turned away from this forum on more than one occasion to see the truth (the renewed teachings) bastardized and mongrelized and abused again and again by those pretending to know it, who have NOT read it. It is NOT infinite. It is not THAT hard. Why is everybody so LAZY? Anybody would think it was magnetohydrodynamics of something. I’ve said it before. It’s GERMAN, not MARTIAN. I have NO DOUBT that there are many people who fervently desire that I lighten up and let go, but that is the wide easy (crowded) road to misery. I’ll stick doggedly to the straight, narrow, and LONELY thorny path, thank you very much, because that is the very CORE of Billy’s teachings, and the ONLY way to the joy, peace, love, wisdom, spiritual poise, etc. which I experience personally, and if you want to take a smooth easy trip to hell, you go right ahead. That is your free choice, but I will NOT countenance evil and false religious teaching being passed off as Billy’s, and if you don’t like it, don’t whine about it - just don’t read it. This English discussion board seems to be some sort of tidal pool where people think the Plejaren are cool, but are largely unwilling to learn what they are telling us, and would prefer to swallow pap. Ptaah is damn right when he says the Earth human does not want to know truth and that extends to Earth humans on this forum. If you want oil and balsam, you certainly won’t want Billy’s teachings. And If oil and balsam is demanded of me here, then the FIGU discussion board moderators had better keep the seeding weeds down themselves for a change instead of leaving the rough job to me all the time, eh? Dear Hector, You wrote, “Nobody here among the usual participants of this forum is consciously trying to sabotage/distort Billy's message.” This is a puzzling thing to say, given this board’s colorful history, and – I’d have to try to dig out the exact reference – Vivienne and I are pretty sure we read somewhere in the FIGU material that there were (disruptive) intelligence agents on this list. It would be illogical to think otherwise, what with 21 assassination attempts (and strenuous ongoing efforts elsewhere on the WWW!) trying to shut down the truth, why wouldn’t different – more subtle and cunning - methods be employed here to engender personal acrimony - to “divide and conquer”? Let me just try to reiterate for you that I do not now, nor have I ever, tried to stifle people’s personal views, nor do I (of course!) think that the only thing suitable here is the spiritual teachings. What I very strongly resist is people’s personal views being expressed in such a way that ignoramuses are deliberately given the notion that they are FIGU material, WHEN those personal views are at odds with the FIGU material. Things like the accurate succession of the lineage of prophets preceding Billy are not all that important to know, but when the information is continually wrong, and these mistakes get carried over by others, that is not right and should be acted against by people who know better. Sadly, as you know almost nobody here reads the material, and therefore relies on secondary sources which are often wrong. I certainly join with you in welcoming controversy, and have been bitterly disappointed that there has been no comment about some of the things I’ve contributed from the FIGU material - like righteousness modifying the local weather, as one example! I’m frankly disgusted with how soft and “new-agey” this board is, where all subjective “realities” are given equal “honor” and all argument is hosed down as if argument somehow equals acrimony, so healthy argument is taboo, and the much-needed debate is quashed as being uncool or frowned on as being ego-driven or unloving. Billy writes, @www.gaiaguys.net/meier.56.ratgeber.htm) “Tatsächlich ist das Gros der Menschen in ein Stadium verfallen, in dem sich das kommunizierende Sichauseinandersetzen mit dem Nächsten sowie das Diskutieren ebenso kaum oder nicht mehr finden lässt wie auch nicht das Sichauseinandersetzen mit den globalen Geschehen, denn diese Notwendigkeiten sind bereits vielen verlorengegangen.“ (Actually, the majority of humans has fallen into a state in which disputes participated in with neighbors, as well as discussions, are just as rarely or no longer to be found, as neither are quarrels with global events, because these necessities have already been mostly lost.) Since there is a crying need for people here to be better informed about the need for loving criticism, I’ve dug an article out of Sinnvolles, Würdevolles, Wertvolles entitled Kritik und Kritik which I’m going to try to make time – somehow! – to translate for the lazy, selfish and high-handed Earth humans on this list, and elsewhere, who need a big dose of bitter truth from the prophet, who I try damned hard to serve by conveying his liberating and empowering message to those who need it the most. Salome, Dyson | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 02-2006 |
Dyson: "Dear Vestri, Thanks for your welcome help, and I'm assuming that, when you write, "I don't see no ego there", you are using the traditional Australian double negative? :-) I hope so!" OOPS! Dyson, I really should start reading (checking) the previews of what I post in! That of course was supposed to read - "I see no ego there" | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 220 Registered: 07-2004 |
Dyson's tone is apparently still not strong enough if the simple message that is at the root of this discussion isn't patently clear. Our high tech civilization is still dangerously crippled from the spiritually degenerative control we have dragged with us since the start of organized religion. Our world is heading for an obvious point of assured disaster from the control of mans thinking through the altered words of a historical truth bringer. If you are of the type who has decided that the Creational info Billy compiles for the benefit of every person living and not yet born, is the most important event since the last visit of Immanuel, you could hardly not red flag anything that showed ANY sign whatsoever that the message was starting to become contaminated or altered. Dyson, You have my attention for sure. That was a simple test and I would have to hand out some low grades as some of us are trying to find middle ground for this highest priority issue. I have to say...if we allow even a small coloring of the lessons to be diplomatically buffered, we seriously risk suffering in the future from the same insanity we endure presently. The truth will be hard, as it can only be at this time. If we even have a future. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 185 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dyson, the thing is that you don't have to lighten up if you don't choose to, but you have no responsibility for teaching anyone anything (except if you have a child to whom you have a responsibility). I appreciate your translations, clarifications, etc. but you continualy imply that you have some responsibility for correcting people. You do not. If I make a mistake, then I welcome your input. Not everyone else appreciates it. If someone expresses disagreement with you and does not respond to your attempts to clarify, the you should just let go of the arguement. Do you remember "not throwing pearls before the swine"? I am not implying anyone is a pig, but that arguement with the unreceptive is not only useless, but also a waste of your time. As said before I welcome your clarifications, but you are noone's keeper on this list. I don't say these things to be inflammatory but I think you are intelligent enough to understand my meaning without emotional response (I hope). | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 210 Registered: 04-2006 |
We all fear a hypothetical falsification/distortion of the prophet of the new age renewed teachings.Since immemorial times, no prophet could remedy that his teachings were manipulated beyond recognition. We hope this time will be different, and it will, due to 2 important conditions: 1) There is no Bafath creating false realities and false experiences which distort the truth.There will be no more Fatima appearances, fake crucifixion scenes or bleeding statues. 2) The original texts are spread & kept safe all around the world, unlike in ancient times.That means some individuals may be able to distort the truth but somebody else will stamp the original text on the deceivers face. Former falsifications relied on: 1)Translation mistakes 2)Copying mistakes 3)Interpretation mistakes 4)Deliberate mistakes 5)Poor understanding of spiritual concepts.6)Readyness of the earth man to embrace religious teachings/ cults. 3)and 4) will continue wether we like it or not.If the german original is kept safe, there is no manipulation scenario.Just mistaken interpretations of the original text. I think the powers that be consider portraiting Billy as a fraud is enough measure to block the silent revolution of the truth.Stupid.Shoot the messenger strategy, while they let the message spread. I am an optimist and i suspect the Billy's teachings will succeed, but they will not bear fruit soon. And yes, there are way too many people out there who willing or unwilling periodically bastardize Billy's teachings.In my case i welcome that because they make me think when, where, how and why they got it wrong.Ya know, you can't change sectarian/delusional/religious individuals.It's their duty, not mine,to transform their degeneration into generation.I can't change them, but i can change myself in the process for the better.Swindlers, frauds, misinterpreters, irrational critics, knowitalls and deceivers are constantly reminding to me which direction i shall not take.And they tell me why too.Their hallmarks are; lies, fear, insecurity, anger, hate, egoism, illogic, fraud, irresponsibility, intolerance....since i don't praise that, those individuals teach me i shall treat them with caution. The art of turning the negative into positive.... Stay well... | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 127 Registered: 01-2006 |
Hi Hector, thats all fine what you say there but i think you are overlooking one important thing. The vast majority of people at this english speaking forum are never going to learn the german language to read Billys spirit books. So all those points you made there about the spiritual teachings (books) not being corrupted is only really good for the future generation, not this one. It is certainly good to have someone at this english Figu forum like Dyson helping to keep/guide wayward people to the prophets corrects spiritual teachings. Rarena is a good example of that. is that good to have new people coming into this forum and reading all that persons misguided false interpretations of the spirit teachings?? Thomas, I think you should look past or reread what you just posted there about your "percieved" situation of what Dyson is honestly trying to do here at this forum, and ask yourself if it is about ego, and also if it is good or bad what he doing, not only for english people at this forum but also for the mission too. Perhaps you might see what he is doing in a diferent light to how you see it now. Its obvious when looking at Dysons website that he is not driven by ego, but by truth and also the write and wrong thing to do. (Isn't that what Billy speaks of how people should be?) And thats is what is happening here and i appreciate what he is doing here. IMO the imature people don't have to read his posts if they don't like it. Keep up the good work Dyson! | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 464 Registered: 06-2000 |
Dear Dyson ; From my side has come no affront to you or Randy .My honesty comes from the same place in me as yours from you . Of course I agree with your speaking up about the matter , however I must insist on the trust that it is not a shattering crisis . I appreciate your hard work as much as anyone else . But I think you make some very basic mistakes in the references toward other forum members , as if they would be ignoramuses , which I disagree with . For example , if a Terrax type flew in and regarded Mr. Arena's advice as being the highest thought and started asking questions of him as if he was a guru , then I would say " no loss ( Terrax not being a brand name or representing a real identity , but hopefully others will get my point when reading this) . My point that most of the sincere seekers would not be threatened by anyone's advice , but treat it like I do : (1) don't jump off a cliff - I Agree. (2) Wake up every morning and throw a cup of coffee into the fire and shout " gesundheit" - I would ignore completely ; no danger to me ! (Of course , both examples being fictional .) We have smart people here . In the spirit of honesty I have to say that yes, your intentions are true , but it's beneath you as well to feel as if you have to clean up after someone . I strongly recommend introspection on this , and I have the complete right to say so , whether you think it cheeky of me to do so or not . As for being defensive about ego , the simplest of people recognize that someone who denies it and has a problem with it cannot see what everyone can see ; that just mentioning ego is taken as an affront. The serious student knows us humans of earth have a problem with our pride and self-righteousness . We're always defending ourselves and faulting others . Herein lies a lesson for all of us , I'm sure , but it was brought up by one of the most aggressive , arrogant post pugilists ever ; me . Previously on this forum I swaggered , defending Meier , yes, but had I learned how to effectively communicate on the internet with full respect and compassion for everyone who came here to seek ? No ! It took me quite a while to realize that some people are going to learn things slowly and their ignorance is not really going to slow up those at the 'front of the classroom' . So I think I have empirical knowledge about this kind of argument .Also , from what I can tell about Randy , he seems to be a totally reasonable human being , as evidenced by his responding posts , and you've demonized him just a little .... but the severity with which you emphasized it should communicate at least that your message is important , specific and attentive to the fact that every single time any of the message bringers has taught , their lessons have been maligned . Just keep in mind that when you lose your temper and especially given up of the other person as being hopeless on the matter , you've put your positive influence on that person in desrepair . This of course is just my own country sense talking , not something from the OM . Thanks for being a fighter of truth . Salome , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 129 Registered: 01-2006 |
Hector please disregard the second half of the paragraph of my prior post to you because I meant to start a new paragraph with "It is certainly...." That part was not directed to you. | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 91 Registered: 04-2006 |
"Dyson.....As said before I welcome your clarifications, but you are noone's keeper on this list." Well I think for everyones benefit that someone out of all of us lot here needs to be a keeper of the truth of the spiritual teachings. There needs to be because people are regularly going off track with their statements and views. Billy can't do it, nor Jacob, and Scott can't do it either because he doesn't know German language and read Billys books. So who's it going to be? Dyson is certainly capable of doing it, and whats more is that he has been generous enough to have been doing it for us so far too. And his been doing a very good job of it too, always referring back to Figu material whenever he corrects someone - the proper way it should be done. I'm happy to keep it that way, and I am also very glad that Dyson has somewhat unofficially taken it upon himself to kindly do that for us. I hope he continues. Kingman just posted something in another section which pretty much sums up perfectly the point of what I am trying to say here. "A ship without a captain will hardly find its planned destiny. I'm with Dyson, we are better served in our learnings when oversight is kept up and corrections are done without emotions throwing the ship off course. We all come here for our own reasons, but we were drawn here by the aroma of truth we haven't tasted in many lifetimes. Diluted truth, I'm tired of that." http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/1180.html?1174293683 Markc, I see you as being one of the more mature and wiser people at this board. Most of what you say in your posts is true and valid, but not in that post mate. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 581 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, Dear Thomas, I’m curious to read why you say that I have no responsibility to correct falsifications of the truth as they appear here. As I understand the renewed teachings, we all have a (moral) responsibility to help others in direct proportion to our abilities to do so. This specific matter highlights an interesting issue. Are your remarks, “ … you have no responsibility for teaching anyone anything … you should just let go of the argument …” an example of your own personal views, or do you consider this to be part of Billy’s philosophy? If the former, I suggest that you do not relay it in such a way that they could be misunderstood as the latter. This is the whole point, and not a trivial matter. I have a responsibility to help other people to learn (or teach if you want to put it that way) and I think it’s safe to say that most of us here want to learn, of course mostly the Meier material. And it seems logical to think that the FIGU Discussion Forum would be taken as a reliable source of accurate information about FIGU material. And if someone here did get it badly wrong, and those errors were presented as accurate FIGU information, it should be fixed by someone who can do so. I would have hoped this could have been done by one of our hard-working volunteer moderators. But we are in the horrible position now of only having Scott, who – with all the very best of intentions of course – cannot deal with all the details of this huge volume of FIGU information (and mis/dis-information), simply because he has not yet adequately learned the language. This is not his “fault”, but in a place where those who have volunteered to do the work – for whatever reason – do not do it, then it seem like the huge task falls to me, and those of us like Hector or Robjna. I could ask, “where have you been, Thomas?”, with your obvious knowledge of German (you’ve just informed us on another thread that you have read three of Billy’s German language books) but in spite of your exposure to the renewed teachings, you deny the responsibility to help. I think some explanations are called for. Yes, of course, the “pearls before swine” line from the TJ occurs to me from time to time, as well as Jmmanuel’s and Billy’s other teachings about how the truth should be spread. But, logically, that wise advice (about leaving the company of those who cannot reason and attack the truth-bearer) cannot be applied to an open public discussion forum, where the many members represent a very broad spectrum of knowledge and ability. Of course in spite of the fact that we are all equally deserving of respect as fellow creatures of Creation, these developmental differences mean that those who are not able will not understand, and attack, and not (and probably never) make a positive contribution to the Great Struggle. But those who are able to understand will also be able to contribute, and can also learn from the debate and be strengthened by the resistance/opposition. Many people may be able to profit from these exchanges for many years to come. Or, conversely, many people may be hurt by the UNCORRECTED false teachings here for many years to come. Dear MarkC, you write, ”it's beneath you as well to feel as if you have to clean up after someone”. With all the greatest respect and affection (and warm appreciation for your big fists and courageous support in the past on other lists) I think this line shows you still have some work to do on your self-described arrogance. No personal offence intended, but is it beneath you to clean up someone else’s vomit, when they clearly can’t and other don’t? Your talk of ego evinces projection, in my view, and there seems like a lot of projection on this list here. Not everybody here is a bright or street-smart as you, and employing a mindless killer-android like “TerraX” as an example of a typical naïve searcher for the truth is profoundly flawed. Anyone who loves the seacoasts knows that Creation can use the apparently random dynamics of waves on a beach to sort shells from stones from seaweed, etc., and distribute stones and pebbles according to size and so forth. In the same way, an open and inadequately moderated discussion forum will eventually attract revolting public-humiliation freaks. These disturbed people are gratified by being punished (hurt and humiliated), by their perceived authority figure, in front of others. Psychiatric literature teaches us that this consciousness-related disorder is associated with great cunning and guile. This sort of public semi-sexual perversion makes me sick to my stomach in the same way that a homosexual man flirting with me does (since I happen to be very strictly heterosexual), and it borders on the equivalent of non-consensual sexual activity, which – incidentally – is considered up there with murder by the Plejaren. So it is just one of those problems which does not have a solution. I’m not a moderator, but – I tell you what – if I was, this place would be moderated with a pitiless iron fist. The work I do to reveal the German language material to the English language world, in order to help those who want/need it, isn’t done solely for the individual addressed at the top of my contribution. It could also be seen as a resource for others who want to know what’s in the German language contact notes and the spiritual teachings, and more importantly, how they can be applied to the real world of real interpersonal relationships, current events, etc. In a specific case when I see people misled by continual important errors of fact, I do think that I have a responsibility to intercede if nobody else does, and that is consistent with my understandings of Billy’s work, that is: “Live and help other to live”. To mischaracterize this as a bloody-minded personal argument between two recalcitrant individuals is quite wrong, because it is representative of the greater – perhaps GREATEST issue, which our friend in America, Shawn, quite correctly – I think – identified, for which he naturally has my appreciation. So I take this opportunity to, naturally, thank all the others here who already have at least read the English-language material and who have let it sink in enough to know how cunningly and ruthlessly it is being attacked at this sensitive and fragile stage of our planet’s development. If the Plejaren are to be given any credence, about 4 months ago we just missed burning up in Bush's long-yearned-for 3rd world fire by a very hair-raising margin and we are still by no means out of trouble. So it is IMPORTANT to our future survival to do all we can – with our individual ability determining our individual responsibility – to selflessly, modestly and with alacrity, help others to learn who want to learn. And that includes trying as hard as we can to remove their impediments, however difficult and distasteful that task might be. Salome, Dyson | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 467 Registered: 06-2000 |
Matt ; Thanks for your sincere opinion . A couple of shots in the air to warn off the dingoes . Fair enough . I appreciate anyone in defense of the mission , that's the way I am too .The strong word is appropriate in such a matter .As for HOW strong , and to WHOM , is the reason for my intervention . My comments were in defence of Dyson also ; in the way that I perceived him , he was getting too frustrated with it ,bordering on obsession , distraction and anger. So right or wrong , I felt that I should say anything . Just to stop the shouting . Both men seem to have put it behind them by now , and everyone still has their teeth . By all means , carry on just as you do Dyson , everyone of us grows with every event and experience . About someone giving advice and the resulting objections , plenty can be misread into either side , one in suspicion of sabotage , the other accused of having an ego . I particularly disagree with attitudes that pretend that anyone doesn't have an ego . That my ego plays into anything is a given ; my opinion is going to be fueled by my sense of self , the " ego" . This doesn't mean some kind of residing maniac within .In this context it does mean however that one opinion stands higher than another's , one "self" claiming rightness in disagreement . What clearly had happened , is one forcefully putting the other in "his place" and the other not liking the severity of the putting down . We should be friendly here ; and that comes from the OM . "Enemy of the truth" .... those are fighting words , and among us they should never be spoken or written . This topic is appropriate in the FIGU . All human interactions must be thought over , and any education that comes by will come about by conflicts . I am myself no teacher , but thanks all the same for coming to class today .I've learned something as well . Kind Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1116 Registered: 12-1999 |
Dyson, I need to pull this burning thorn out of my side for a few moments... I don't have the answers you seek....as you have stated, I do not have a grasp of the German language to the extent needed to know and understand the teachings in any depth. Yes, things have been bastardized, changed, altered, slandered, distorted, falsified etc... but this is not something that has occurred overnight, but for many many centuries. To think, that mankind is going to roll over in a few decades since Billy's emergence, is highly unrealistic in my opinion...considering the damage that has been done will take some time to repair. Billy has mentioned more than once, this Mission will go on for hundreds of years into the future. Yes, this forum is flawed in the sense there are no real caretakers of the information that is released. At this point I don't see very much new information being released except through your translations as they become available. One of the former moderators, just laughs at me when I mention some of the issues that have arisen as a consequence of continually trying to keep the forum afloat. Perhaps, Dyson I can recommend a few ideas. We can have the forum shut down completely, which would force people to learn German, and then there would be no confusion of the teachings (except those who don’t have a firm grasp of German) , and we could all correspond by e-mail, of course this doesn't imply the other FIGU Groups in other countries have to do the same. In addition, this would have to be understood and accepted by over 500 forum members active and inactive. Secondly, you could go visit Switzerland and speak to Billy personally and see what his ideas are in relation to the ideas and frustrations you have with the English speaking people. Thirdly, you could become a Moderator yourself, but this may require becoming a Passive Member, but then you could take this on, and have an active role on how the teachings can be released, and crush any distortions before they arise, and then the possibility of any misinformation being released through these cyber-gates, would be obliterated into every last bit of data.. Fourth, you could open up your own discussion forum, in which you would be able to monitor the conversations and correct any inaccuracies before they are posted. This would insure the integrity of the teachings and any falsifications that may arise, but people attempting to post would be reminded that if they don't understand what they are talking about, should not be able to post until they have a firm grasp of the truth and the many ramifications if an idea or concept becomes altered or changed from its original intent. Good Evening Scott | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 472 Registered: 07-2005 |
Now Now Scott hold your horses Everybody is entitled to their opinions It doesn't necessarily mean that you have to be emotionally swayed by it. Without you moderating this forum, how will it exist and who will replace you. I think Dyson comes through quite strong in his views sometimes but I don't think he meant any offense or for that matter undermined your enormous contributions. But of course this is just my opinion. We need to be recognised sometimes for our contributions not in a way that egoism has anything to do with it but just to be appreciated sometimes and rightly FULL APPRECIATION goes to you Scott REALLY. Although its just words I hope you receive the genuine feeling based appreciation behind often substanceless and empty words thrown here and there in this day and age. Anyway those in the know contribute to the mission however big or small in their own way behind the scene. It's not something that you wanna revel in as something like this is beyond any self. Keep up the good work Scott As I said, you are also entitled to a bit of dummy spat Scott I mean we all humans in the end. cheers Matt | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 10-2006 |
Wow, Scott. That sure was one burning thorn. Excellent suggestions all. One thing that may or may not happen in the future is wider interest in Billy's case and teachings. What would happen if 10X or 100X the number of people joined the forum and began posting? Instead of 500 members, what if there were 5,000 or 50,000? Of course that would be a good thing, but then surely one person could not handle all the traffic. The forum would then have to go unmoderated. I for one would prefer an unmoderated forum to no forum at all. Peace and best regards. | ||
James Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 07-2005 |
"This sort of public semi-sexual perversion makes me sick to my stomach in the same way that a homosexual man flirting with me does (since I happen to be very strictly heterosexual), and it borders on the equivalent of non-consensual sexual activity, which – incidentally – is considered up there with murder by the Plejaren." Dyson do you mean if the other male knows you are hetro and continues to flirt with you? Welcome to Earth! | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 04-2006 |
Mark, thats ok. I knew you were mature enough to admit you learned something too at class today too, even if it was from someone the likes of little old me. The problem was people were regularly going off track with their spiritual statements and views and leading some people astray, I was one of them. Thanks again for your mature understanding Mark. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 197 Registered: 03-2004 |
Billy has said very clearly that even if we are supposed to assist others, that only each individual is responsible for himself. He has said that numerous times. I never said that you should not attempt to assist, but at times you seem to take on the appearance of one who thinks he knows much more than he actually does. What I mean to say is that you do not have the personal knowledge of the things you sometimes say, unlike Billy, who DOES have a high degree of personal knowledge about the teachings. I do not teach or correct others (with the small exception of correcting grammar or misinterpretation of small bits and pieces) because I also DO NOT MASTER the teachings yet. I am trying to progress though so I do offer opinions now and then while stating that they are only my opinions. As far as me teaching others from the german books I have read, I DO offer my personal interpretation, again while stating that they are my own interpretations, when I understand the original german passages well enough. However I do not master german and so I am unable to do the lengthy translations of high quality that you do. You have to remember that me not mastering the german language yet precludes me from responsibly posting longer translations or detailed explanations to the extent you do. I DO appreciate what you have done but you have to think of two important factors: first, you yourself have made significant errors, not so much in your translations themselves, but moreso in your explanations occassionally as I have pointed out to you once or twice on the forum. Second, when you explain something to someone and they accept it or even discuss it with you, that is a good thing. However you carry over into arguement with people at times who have no interest in having you debate with them. When that point becomes apparent to you, you are no longer assisting but only arguing. I for one appreciate your point of view but I do not always agree with you and you, like all of us here, are NOT ALWAYS CORRECT. I will let you have the last word if you like Dyson because I think we have discussed this topic enough. As I said, I do appreciate what you do, but in the end, you are only responsible for yourself... | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 584 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Scott, Thank you for your thoughtful and heart-felt message. Help is at hand. Simply apply the renewed teachings. It’s simple. Here’s how. First, pull that burning thorn out of your side once again. Now drop it to the ground, and don’t ever reinsert it. In other words: change your thinking. That’s all there is to it. Now look down to where the wound would be. No bleeding hole? That proves it was not a real wound, merely your mental construct which you are 100% in charge of, so the pain is all in your head. (If pain persists, keep thinking logically.) Logically, a person can only do tasks which are possible, and when confronted with an impossible task, no amount of effort will suffice. It is illogical for someone who does not command the German language to ether expect, or be expected by anybody else, to moderate - all by himself, and with no official assistance or support - a discussion forum where more than 95% of the information under discussion is only in German, and several of the contributors have access to that recondite information. This is simple logic. Nobody logical will hold you responsible for something beyond your responsibility, which is actually the responsibly of others. Relax, mate. Change your thinking. You are among friends, and admirers of your quixotic efforts up to this point. If your previous co-workers who speak German continue to remain AWOL, that is not your responsibility. That is ultimately THEIR responsibility, and – as has been described by others here – this most recent melodrama will blow over just like all the past ones have. Nobody dies. The sun comes up again every morning. The enemies of truth reveal themselves, the controversy is needed and the friends of truth are strengthened by their opposition. No big deal. Life goes on. :-) But for the sake of thoroughness, and your assumed sincerity, I’ll try to do justice to your comments and ideas in the order in which they are offered. Of course the attacks on the truth did not start on your watch. Actually, I can think of a couple of sly contributors who disappeared from here, for good, a couple of years ago, only to reinvent themselves as open Meier-antagonists elsewhere. One now moderates a high-profile Meier-“debunk” forum. I think that mankind WILL roll over in a few decades. I’ve read the Eliah and Jeremiah prophecies carefully (coming in the next TJ in English) and don’t think that we will have to wait 800 years no matter what the Plejaren say. Regardless of how long it takes, there is no reason to not to deal with the problems for the sake of individuals now. I think we will either have a peaceful future, or – due to current weapon technology – we will have NO future, and I really do think that we turned the corner in 11/06. 9/11 failed too, and now represents a window of opportunity to peer into the terrible truth, if we can bear to look at it. No doubt religion will be a fulminating tumor on Gaia’s backside for some time to come, since it took the Plejaren 1,800 years to eradicate it completely on Erra, but any student of history knows that huge things do tend to go “snap”, like the proverbial camel’s back, so anything is possible with fickle Earth humans. We can make it happen if we care enough and get of our collective couches for a change. We Earth humans are in charge now. How about you tell us here who this former moderator is, who does all the laughing, and I’ll address him here? I would have liked to have known that the other moderators had departed. (A rebuke as a result of an action which offends against the rules of the group should be done in front of the entire group, according to what Billy wrote in the current FIGU quarterly. This precludes the factionalism engendered by a lack of absolute transparency.) First suggestion: Shut down the forum? I don’t like that idea. It seems like throwing the baby out with the bath water, don’t you think? Force people to learn German? People cannot be forced to learn anything, and we have no right to force anybody to do anything, unless it’s self-defense or authorized “enforced non-violence” (forcible forcelessness). We all correspond by email? Sorry. Count me out (I’m having a little trouble treating this seriously, but, I’ll continue to take it at face value for the sake of the exercise.) Why do over 500 mostly silently lurking forum members have to understand and accept anything? This is not a popularity contest. Why not kick out everybody, let everybody re-apply and only accept the genuine contributors? The quiet lurkers can still do their reading, as ever. Second suggestion: Dyson goes to Switzerland. (?!?) Why should I ship my aging carcass back to Europe all the way from Australia, even if I wanted to spend such a huge amount of my time doing it, which I don’t? This is the Information Revolution and any memes which need to be exchanged can be done through cyberspace at the speed of light. But why even CONSIDER bothering the living Prophet of the Golden Age of Knowledge about an internet discussion forum? He’s got much more important work on his plate and we don’t need someone of his awesome intellect to sort out the FIGU English-language Discussion Board, when it’s really Christian Frehner’s responsibility, as I understand it, anyway. Or YOU could write BEAM, Scott. You’re a FIGU member. I’m not. You could even write Christian. Third idea: I become a FIGU moderator. (?) What? If I am to maintain the freedom of movement I want in order to support FIGU from the outside then I’ll have to stay outside. Crush any distortions before they arise? This is not sarcasm, Scott, is it? At best, distortions could only be reconciled after they arose. Serious serial distorters, on the other hand, could be politely shown the exit by you instead of you leaving them to eventually be made to feel uncomfortable by yours truly. Forth idea: I open my own forum. (This is getting really silly.) Yeah, OK. I’ll do that, and you can do what I do now, because somebody’s got to do it, but I don’t think you’d want to. Do you want the 666 people on YOUR case? Alright. All kidding aside, let me make this as clear as I can, one more time … I do not have a gripe with people who do not “have a firm grasp of the truth”, nor do I have major problems with people who sometimes “don’t understand what they are talking about”. We all – me included – make mistakes. That’s how we learn. One more time … I do not have a gripe with people who do not “have a firm grasp of the truth”, nor do I have major problems with people who sometimes “don’t understand what they are talking about”. We all – me included – make mistakes. That’s how we learn. But I do have a very stubborn objection to people who continually pass off serious false religious teachings here as Billy’s, so these serious false religious teachings remain uncorrected, to mislead sincere students forever. You may have noticed that I managed to avoid getting sucked into this forum’s herbal thread where dangerous carcinogenic vegetation was recommended as medicine? I don’t want to be everywhere, Scott, but it is not part of my composition to sit back quietly and watch BILLY’S work being, to use your own words, “bastardized, changed, altered, slandered, distorted, falsified etc.” without me picking up my broadsword of truth and swinging it with whatever force the situation demands. Jmmanuel did not say, (10:43-47) “I have come to bring the pixie-wand of peace, so let’s all have a nice group hug.” He said, "Do not think that I have come to bring peace on Earth. Truly, I have not come to bring peace, but the sword of knowledge about the power of the spirit, which dwells within the human being. For I have come to bring wisdom and knowledge and to provoke mankind: son against his father, daughter against her mother, daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, servant against master, citizen against government and believer against preacher. The people's enemies will be their own housemates. The path of truth is long and the wisdom of knowledge will only penetrate slowly.” Unless somebody more worthy comes along, I’ll continue to take a leaf out of Billy’s and Jmmanuel’s books, thank you. So even if the other FIGU officers who are supposed to be up there on the bridge with you remain forever absent without official leave, and even if they are never brought to account, this list can continue to function as it has – warts and all, as we say here. And it will be business as usual, as long as people here are not unaware (as a result of false religious teachings) that it cannot be done peacefully and non-judgmentally. I remind them that not taking sides in an argument is a filthy christian dogma. Jmmanuel actually said, “Do not judge FALSELY” (7:1) And (7:19&20) “The portal is wide and the path is broad which leads to damnation, and many are those who travel thereon. And the portal is narrow and the way is slender which leads to life and knowledge, and there are only few who find it.” I’ll leave the last word to the prophet. “Wer schweigt, ist nicht nur feige und unneutral, sondern auch absolut verantwortungslos.“ - Billy, July 11th, 2006 (He who is silent is not only cowardly and not neutral, rather also absolutely irresponsible.) www.gaiaguys.net/meier.SB26.IsraelLebanon.htm Cheers! Dyson P.S. Also worth reading: www.gaiaguys.net/stronggovernweak.htm | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 585 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear James, In reply to your 42nd post: Yes, naturally. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 751 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Mark, Rarena, Scott...Dyson and All....other students of Billy Meier's Spiritual Teachings....and Beyond. I have been observing the postings on this string, and I thought best to not put any comment. I had sensed..for a while that things may get out of hand, and this sense fulfilled itself! I have noticed that some people are - Jumping out of their Skin -, as they say here! And, once again: Many Misunderstandings has arisen from Ignorance...from within MAN! I think WE should all accept each other in One's Value, and Respect each other to the Fullest! And there should be NO - Back Stabbing -! Do not forget: WE are all studying Billy's materials...at our OWN pace, and we should all respect this! WE should not try to 'Spoon feed' each other with - What Not -, remember: One can understand or Comprehend...the Teachings, and so forth, much easier...than others. WE should give each other TIME...and Patience... to absorb....what material, what ever! Dyson, please try not to 'JUMP OUT OF YOUR SKIN'...so fast! You told me in the past, when we emailed a lot, that you can NOT take STRESS that very well, or what ever! I do...Sense that you are very very STRESSED...in your postings, and it would be best for you to 'Simmer down', or have better CONTROL over yourself, and Do things CONSCIOUSLY, and NOT...from UNCONTROLLED IMPULSES. Can you remember...what I advised you back then, when we emailed, a lot!? I recommended to you: TO TAKE A BREAK! If you do not do this at certain times, you are FORCING YOUR SELF ON PEOPLE! So, Dyson: Leave the People In Their VALUE! And DO NOT FORCE THE TEACHINGS, or what ever...UPON THEM! This is the least that we can have here on the FIGU board: A PRIEST with a Christian Church-like Mentality! Do your work...much more: SUBTLE, Dyson. And when your STRESSED....TAKE A BREAK! Please give yourself...AIR to breath! And the Boardees. It can get very Stuffy, here, as many have noticed now! You are doing your best, BUT....DON'T OVER DO IT, please! So, please see this as a 'Constructive' comment....OK... The above mentioned does not only apply to Dyson, but anyone else whom does not have control over his/her OWN BEING! Pleasant Studying....you all.... PS: Scotty, you are doing an Excellent job, as well as the other Moderators! The problem is not the FIGU Discussion Board, itself, but...some individuals, whom just have NO (CONSCIOUS) Control...over themselves. One thing that Billy has taught us, in his Teachings is to HAVE (FULL - CONSCIOUS) Control over OUR BEING. So, let us all keep the FIGU Board UP....and RUNNING! Edward. | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 08-2006 |
Boys, Boys, Boys....everybody take a deep breath and remember why we are all here. If we can't get along the rest of the world doesn't have a chance. I want to be the first to stand behind Dyson. Although you may not like how he sometimes comes across, he is performing his part of this mission to the very best of his abilities and he is a human who gets upset when others don't take their part as serious as they should. I'm here to learn and I've read many distortions of the facts from many of you. The problem lies in everyone's depth of knowledge and understanding and when someone does post something inaccurate, the ones who do know and can provide the official reference should do so in order to maintain the truth of the teachings. Now, let's all kiss and make up, I have so many unanswered questions and you guys are needed. Kiss,,,, Leann | ||
Fedor New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 01-2007 |
But I do have a very stubborn objection to people who continually pass off serious false religious teachings here as Billy’s, so these serious false religious teachings remain uncorrected, to mislead sincere students forever. Forever is a long time. Sincere students, by definition, will eventually be able to distinguish the falsehoods. Even a new student like me could see the falsehoods in the above statement. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 212 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hummm....Jmmanuel spoke in parables, so will i too...This is beginning to resemble the Middle East.. Randy Arena plays Iran's/Syria role, being accused of supplying ammunition/arms to the enemy/insurgents/terrorists, and Dyson Devine plays the international US commanded coalition forces (aka coalition of the willing, coalition of the leaving). The iraqi police role is played by Scott.(The iraqi police is being pressed with "benchmarks" to improve internal security and country borders, with no remarkable result. Meanwhile, the rest of the board, representing Iraq's sovereign population, is divided in a sectarian way into Shiite (aka interventionists/active contributors) and Sunni (non interventionists/passive contributors). A few pashmerga Kurds too(the ones whose sole interest is ufology and conspiracy theories). What about the U.N and its resolutions? Humm..that part corresponds to FIGU, i imagine...  well friends, this is meant to be a satirical joke i conceived to diminish a bit the late controversy and criticism. To intervene or not to intervene.Dat is the question!Arahat Athersata & the plejaren consider that intervention and force are only justified if they are backed by creational, natural law. Stay well | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1117 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, Thank you everyone for your comments pro & con regarding this forum and the many people that make it up. Possibly a little history may be in order. The English FIGU Forum came into existence, or became publically accessible in late 1999. At that time to my knowledge there were two Moderators Christian Frehner and Andrew Cossette, a bit later Marc Juliano jumped on board. The design of the forum was a bit different at that time. There was no submitting of posts to the queue, so there was no wait time when waiting for a post to appear. In addition, most all of the categories were open, which meant you could create your own topic, just by the click of the mouse. One of the unique things was at the time Andrew was in contact with Billy fairly constantly from my understanding, which allowed for clarifications and submissions of new information by Andrew as it became available. As time went on, eventually Andrew withdrew from the forum as Moderator, and Marc took a more active role up until late 2002, early 2003. As the beginning of the Iraq war came into focus, in early 2003, it was recommended by one of the Plejarens, Zafenatpaneach whom Billy has been in contact with since May 29, 1999, that stronger security measures needed to be put in place in the advent that various security agents/agencies could use the forum to post messages to each other. This brought about the current structure of the forum, which requires registration and approval of posts before they are approved etc...During this transition time (late 2002) Marc Juliano asked me for my assistance in helping post the questions to Billy etc...At the beginning of 2004 Jacob Smits, who is also a Passive Member requested to be a Moderator. He submitted a tremendous amount of spiritual information up until mid 2006. In addition Jacob set up a Yahoo Group entitled Akasha-Chronicles (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/akasha-chronicles/) in which many of his articles can be accessed. During that time Christian Kuwolski (unsure of spelling) also submitted a request to be a moderator, but due to health reason withdrew after a short time. Christian Kuwolski is the person who helped sketch the images of Ptaah and Quetzal, although I am not sure about Asket, Sfath and Semjase. Since, my participation began in early 2003, my role has increased to the point of being the sole moderator for the most part. This I have found, believe it or not seems to work best, in the sense that too many cooks spoil the broth. The reason for this in my opinion is that communication between moderators has become scarcer, which is needed to discuss various items as they come up. As time has progressed Jacob and Marc, although Marc drops by occasionally have gone on to other projects as I understand it, and truly it is only Christian and myself presently. Christian is a core group member, but his duties entail working at the center, which doesn’t allow much time for the forum. I do consult with him from time to time, but generally most of the forum duties are left up to me. I can honestly say, my duties as moderator is a 24 hour a day job, in the sense, many times I will wake up in the middle of the night, to check the board, and during the day, during my day job. Sometimes it is hard for me to comprehend out of Billions of people on this planet, our participation in the Mission is left up to a few handful of people who are actively involved in this process. Whether this is part of the since dissolved codex, I will never know, nor does it really matter. Admittedly, I do get stressed and upset sometime at various people and situations, but I think all in all we are doing a very great service to mankind, no matter how it appears to others. Thanks for listening Scott | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 586 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, The pattern to which I take issue is starting to emerge starkly now, now that the pot is being stirred up a little, and is summed up succinctly by the prophet in our recently reworked 2005 translation @www.gaiaguys.net/specialbulletin16.htm „ ... die Wahrheit ist nicht gefragt, sondern verpönt.“ ( … the truth is not requested, rather, it is taboo.) I might add, that that evidently applies even more than I had thought, particularly to the English-language FIGU Discussion Board. I know you don’t like it, but shooting at the messenger will not make it go away. Truth is a powerful and elemental force in and of itself. Why are you here? To be soft-soaped with more of the same deadly lies which has defaced our still lovely, but sick and fevered, planet and brought her to the edge of our common doom? Our lone moderator has acknowledged that the truth which we should have presented (and defended!) here has been, to use his own words, “bastardized, changed, altered, slandered, distorted, falsified etc.”. I have read the German language material, and to the best of my imperfect understanding of it, I will try as hard as I can to apply those precious teachings in my life and try as hard as I can to reveal them to my siblings here who have come for them. If you don’t like to hear them, please go away, because there must be people here who DO want to hear them, even if you do not. They are not christian teachings. In many ways they are the opposite of these evil soft, cunning destructive traditional religious teachings, which are – sadly – by no means confined to christianity, but spread their filthy bloodstains over our entire planet. PLEASE try to be logical and understand this: these are the sly deceptions of – gotta say it! – EVIL SPACE ALIENS who have seen us all as a resource like a herd of domesticated animals. Their primary representatives even call us “cattle”, and certainly treat us that way. In a further effort to attempt to rectify this deadly situation, Vivienne has dug out some pertinent excerpts from the true teachings which we hope to be able to provide here for those who want to read them. If you don’t like the message so far, please don’t read them, because they are not soothing, and they might make you uncomfortable. Art zu Leben p. 172 number 431 (last sentence) Und es ist die Aufgabe des Menschen, aus der Geisteslehre die Wahrheit zu erlernen, um sich selbst und allen seinen Nachsten die allumfassende Nature des Geistes und des Bewusstseins sowie die Nature der Wirklichkeit und Wahrheit zu vermitteln. (And it is the task of the humans to learn the truth from the spirit teaching in order to transmit to himself and all his neighbors the all-embracing nature of the spirit and of the consciousness as well as the nature of reality and truth.) Dear Scott, Thank you very much for all that welcome clarification! As I mention to Hector, below, I also think we do pretty well, all things considered. The English-language forum is having the teething troubles of a healthy infant cutting his teeth on German, and once the language of the teachings is better understood, and more of these texts are translated, the current unfortunate misconceptions will abate. I’m a little concerned that you let this task become a round-the-clock effort, but some of us – for some strange reason – do indeed feel a strong compulsion to behave that way, which is called “positive degeneration” when it starts to have negative effects on the individual who embraces the teachings a little “too” enthusiastically, in order to try to make up for those many who don’t give a s—t about the truth or our collective future. I’m glad you, like me, do care as much as you do. I’m also a little concerned that there is no official monitoring of this vulnerable list by a German-speaking person who is quite familiar with the teachings. Can this be rectified? Zafenatpaneach must be a conspiracy theorist! ;-) I wonder if he also believes in space aliens? How can I wangle an invitation to Jacob’s Yahoo group, so I can read (but not contribute)??? Dear Randy, I respond warmly here to your fraternal reply on the translation thread to my questions I asked of you. It’s genuinely good to hear from you, and I appreciate your attitude. Thank you for revealing the sources of your FIGU-related study. Please let me suggest that you go and snag the “excellent” (Jim Deardorff’s word) copy of the TJ off of that silly website http://www.signofjonah.co.uk/lessons_14/history/history.htm (before Jim chases it away again) where is sits like a lonely petunia in an onion patch. The TJ is an excellent place to get a good grounding in the basics of the renewed teachings. And Still They Fly and Michaels DVDs are “must haves”. Similarly, the FIGU shop sells many English-language booklets, etc. which are invaluable to the serious student, and I hope you avail yourself of them as soon as you can. There is so much more than what is just on the Internet, and – although of course the vast majority is in the German language – a great deal of what is on offer is in English and other non-German tongues. Good luck on your voyage of discovery and I look forward to the day that you can do what you want to do so badly, and teach these timeless universal truths. I take this opportunity to thank you for the impetus to throw the windows open on this neglected forum to let the bracing wind of truth blow through. All the very best, Randy, and Salome. Dear Thomas, Thank you for your clarification. I think I finally understand. You state, “Billy has said very clearly that even if we are supposed to assist others, that only each individual is responsible for himself.” Yes. However, it not true that, “Billy has said very clearly that even if we are supposed to assist others, that each individual is only responsible for himself.” Do you see the difference the placement of one small word can make? And I must assume that these final words of yours, “in the end, you are only responsible for yourself...” is representative of your understanding of the renewed teachings. That most certainly is not true, and the URL I referred to in the P.S. of my last posting www.gaiaguys.net/stronggovernweak.htm should explain it. I’ve never clamed to be infallible. Far from it. But my fallibility does not mean that I cannot defend the truth (when it is plain to me) to the best of my limited ability, thus exercising my moral responsibility. And for you to continually tell people here, as if it is a truth you have won from Billy’s work, that nobody has any responsibility beyond her or himself is 100% wrong and needs correcting, regardless of how often I, or anyone else may have make other mistakes. Naturally I realize that it is not for me to change other people, but only to assist those you are trying to change themselves. Dear Edward, You wrote, “You told me in the past, when we emailed a lot, that you can NOT take STRESS that very well, or what ever!” This is quite surprising! All I can imagine is that you either misunderstood completely, or I made some sort of horrible typographical error, because quite the reverse is true! I think I actually would have told you, “I CAN take stress quite easily”, as our website should abundantly demonstrate! :-) I’ve told many many people that, who have urged me to cease and desist due to the difficult nature of our work. Let me please make the point that I can be harsh with my words without being emotionally disturbed by them, and I take seriously Billy’s teachings that emotions must never be allowed to interfere with logic. When I sometimes “raise my voice” for emphasis with upper case letters, it is also consistent with the teachings. I bellow when the situation demands it of me, but – were we ever to have the pleasure of meeting – you would not perceive me as the arm-waver you might imagine, driven by emotions. Maybe there is a cultural/geographical component here. Compared to temperate Europe, I live in the tropics, shared with the fiery Latinos. You are Dutch. And I had to chuckle about your self-reference, where you forcefully teach me that I should not forcefully teach! I take deep breaks form my long hours with profound meditation and my contributions here, regardless of how enthusiastically they are delivered, come from my head, not from my spleen. Regarding the heat here from time to time which is generated by the light, nobody has to come here and read what I write. Just skip my contributions, because the kitchen gets hot … Dear Leann, Thanks for that, but I wonder if you read the article I mentioned recently? www.gaiaguyst.net/Humandoesnotknowlove.htm and please also see www.gaiaguys.net/love.htm Love is my motivation, whether that is recognized or not, because the Earth human does not know love. As JHRH Semjase said in her 10th contact, “Love and wisdom belong together, because Creation and its laws are love and wisdom at the same time. Where there is wisdom and knowledge, there is love and cognition, and where there is cognition and love, there is Creation. Growth within love and wisdom teach the human to recognize Creation. First, however, the human learns the truth, and thereby he will gain freedom and peace, a peace which is imperishable, a power without an end.” We have been taught that without wisdom there can be no real love. Without knowledge there can be no real wisdom. Without logical study there can be no real knowledge, Without damned hard grinding relentless work interspersed with periods of quiet contemplation, there can be no real study. Without looking after your body, your psyche cannot function properly, and without looking after your psyche, your spirit cannot communicate to you. And your enlivening spirit is all there is - Creation itself, pure goodness, justice, and righteousness. Praise Creation, and give us a kiss, sweety! (SSSSSSSSMMMMAK!) :-) Dear Fedor, My poorly-chosen use of the word “forever” was – of course - an exaggeration for effect. Common sense prevails, eh? Even the bible will EVENTUALLY be corrected – no doubt not without a great struggle, but I think these words here will probably outlive all of us, so – in so far as you and I are concerned – that’s “forever”. I try to nip things in the bud instead of letting weeds go to seed, even though I know the next ice age will cover the field of weeds with snow. Dear Hector, “Dyson Devine plays the international US commanded coalition forces” Ouch! That one made my EYES water, my friend! Perhaps you either have a very different view regarding the enemy occupation of that part of the world, or a very different view of my role in the FIGU movement. And you might even have a very different view of the UN, too, by the looks of things. I sometime wonder that we all do as well as we do here, given the vast cultural/geopolitical differences among us. But I admire your guts employing the Middle East Catastrophe as a parable, even if I might question your success in making your point, given that Iran/Iraq/Syria/Lebanon/Israel and USAmerica, etc. are perhaps the best examples I can think of where nobody agrees on who are the bad guys and who are the good guys! Or if I can be pedantic: "who are the guys who do bad things, and who are the guys who do good things", judging the acts, not the perpetrating humans. Salome, Dyson | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 213 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Dyson my satire was deliberate but i hope nobody felt offended, including you.Do not want to offend anybody.I was testing (german.sondieren) your (and others) sensibility, as well as the tolerance to self criticism. Some individuals have guts and have the capacity of processing attacks and criticism while others do not.The latter just get upset.Many times it is very difficult to stay cool & neutral when one is the target of heavy critics.Denunciation/critic is fine if you know you are going to provoke a positive effect in the target person.One can almost preview that due to the law of cause & effect. Denunciation is vital in this difficult times when almost everyone is seduced by the anti-logos, false teachings, lazyness, apathy and degeneration, but denunciation and critic can also be subtle and work wonders.The goal is to make people think. We can change things not only by brute force and will, like the moron in chief GW Bush, but much better using common sense, intelligence and counsel.I mean, i also have tried Billy's receit comprised of harsh language and straight talk too, but that does not work with a minority of certain individuals.Some people lack the necessary intelligence, the insight and the honesty to process and accept criticism.They have been indoctrined, preprogrammed and they do not respond to any neutral positive impulses, just negative ones.In those cases, patience is needed.That is my opinion. I hold you in high esteem, without your help many of us wouldnt be here due, you gave us the opportunity to go deeper into the Meier case when nobody was broadcasting.Thanks to you i did not lose my interest in Meier.Your texts (Billy's) grew on me.You did your job well, now it's time for us to walk alone.The studying process is the following: Wahrnehmung-erkennen-Kenntnis-Erkenntnis-Gewissheit-Wissen. Patience my friend! | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 590 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Hector, Thanks for all that. The book-learning shows. Lucky you to have the German learning curve behind you! It makes a difference, eh? Of course I was not offended, mate! A little shocked, :-) but not offended. I suspected that you might be taking a depth sounding. I look at it like this: if someone calls me – say – fat and stupid, or compares me to US war-criminals, then that rolls right off my back, but if someone accuses me a fault that I know I actually HAVE, then I take that right to heart, and work on it, grateful for the love it takes most Earth humans to make the effort to care. I have very thick skin, but a big soft heart. I can wait as long as is needed for people to learn, but I see no need in unnecessarily prolonging the process by allowing roadblocks and detours to their progress, when the road is already hard enough. Der Vorausschauuer, nicht wahr? Page 206, OM32:632. Geheiligt ist der Mensch, der frölich warten gelernt hat. (Blessed is he who has learned to wait joyously.) Wahrnehmung (perception) has to have something to perceive, and I try to supply it to get the process started. Vivienne has just started a little translation from one of my favorites: Sinnvolles, Würdevolles, Wertvolles (roughly: Sensible, Dignified, Valuable) written in 2005. (tiny excerpt from the beginning, below) Sadly context is so important, and it’s difficult to hand things out in isolation before they can be fitted into the Big Picture. I’m glad you’re here Hector. Cheers! Dyson Kritic und Kritic (Criticism and Criticism page 364) (von Sinnvolles, Würdevolles, Wertvolles) Offene und ehrliche Kritik in positivem Rahmen muss sein, denn wird bei einem Menschen, in dessen Verhalten, in seiner Sprache oder in seinen Werken, Taten und Handlungen ein Fehler entdeckt, dann nützt es ihm nichts, wenn ihm versichert wird, dass alles in bester Ordnung sei. There must be open and honest criticism in the positive context because if a mistake is uncovered with a human in his behavior, in his speech or in his works, deeds and actions, then it is of no use to him if he is assured that everything is in the best order. Eine solche falsche Behauptung entspricht nicht der effectiven Wahrheit und macht also keinen Sinn, geschweige denn, dass dem betreffenden Menschen damit geholfen wird, wenn man ihm die Wahrheit und damit den Fehler verschweigt. One such wrong assertion does not correspond to the effective truth and therefore makes no sense, let alone that the concerned human is thereby helped when one conceals the truth, and therewith the mistake from him. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 475 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Dyson Dyson although this magic bullet wasn't fired by a lone gunman which draws our attention behind the grassy knoll and other suspected sources, before you politely say 'go back and re-read the post that started this run-away train', what specific religious infused statements and by whom else besides Randy's religious connotations have led you to such statement as quote (He who is silent is not only cowardly and not neutral, rather also absolutely irresponsible.) unquote. Such a response must surely fit the extent of the crime perpetuated that is overlooked by those whom this quote of your was intended for. If it is said those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, let them see and hear, then as the one who can see and hear what others cannot, could you please specifically draw our attention to the exact phrase, statement, sentence, post or paragraph and by whom that was the basis of your reaction Dyson. I know its a hard ask but some example would suffice. Maybe it's the ignorance on my part that prevent me from seeing the relevance of such reaction to what would be deemed a minor error of judgement by the poster in question and the corresponding response to my statement would be 'This is the reason why such measures of corrections are necessary so as to prevent those who are ignorant from being led astray and you effectively answered your own question by the ignorance you've displayed'. But could it be the case that you are making a mountain out of a mole hill, whether intentionally or not and the important lesson it thus teaches is not really relevant to the issue of why this whole discussion had started in the first place. There are a broad spectrum of spiritual teachings applicable during the discussion on the matter so far and I would hate to see even one poster being dismissed by others as irrelevant to the cause of further understanding of various interplays of idea that contribute to it but would disdain more the idea that one person has the sole authority to set boundaries that is akin to a tacit rejection of other people's ideas as being inferior and not relevant because of the subsumed ignorance based on prior judgements imposed by the dominant voice. If there is to be a collective consensus of mind to agree to disagree on the point of difference and to not dismiss such act as useless to the general mood and relevance of topic in question,those who are assumed ignorant must come to understand the necessities of such reaction by you on the issue of religious tainted words passed for Billy's spiritual teachings then we must be drawn to the specifics and the point of difference of those from the true spiritual teachings to enable clarity and to discard uncertainties. Simply put, it feels as if you are over reacting Dyson even if the eloquent reasons you've posed all makes sense as does other dear forum members perspectives. The power of truth cannot be conquered by ignorance but also it cannot be damaged by ignorance either as the implicit standards would be much higher in these circles than anywhere else although I might add, just because it's not broken doesn't mean you can't improve it but maybe to you it is more than broken and needs fixing. Anyway Dyson as you know I say these words not in opposition but as a friend who've made himself unequivocally clear of the support and admiration I have for you not as a fellow Aussie but for all the right reasons in the intervening 20 odd months. I am just trying to come to terms with further understanding through these lively discussions the important lessons it serves or is intended to serve in teaching us about what really matters in the end. There are infinite ways towards spiritual knowledge but nothing beats actually reading the available hard copies of books whether its subject to personal interpretation is irrelevant just as long as the student arduously studies and keep searching for answers, the answers will come eventually with kind regards cheers Matt | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 199 Registered: 03-2004 |
Excellent Scott. You are appreciated whether you know it or not... | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 02-2006 |
Thomas: "Excellent Scott. You are appreciated whether you know it or not..." Thomas, seeing how you've self appointed yourself the role of speaker of the house, how about you now continue with that newly self appointed job of yours and say another true statement like that there again, but now say it to somebody else here on behalf of the forum. I'd just like to get an idea of the level of spiritual maturity a person might have who has read three of Billy’s German spirit books, like you have. Thomas, I'd like to know/see if your capable of now saying - "Dyson, you are appreciated whether you know it or not..." That should be no problem at all for you to now say that to Dyson on behalf of the forum because that is just as equally true about Dyson as it was with what you just said there about Scott. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 592 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear (New Initiation) Matt, Thank you for your thoughtful but complicated and challenging posting. I’ve read your contribution slowly and carefully, and I’ll do my best to respond to your questions and ideas. I value them, and I value your contributions, Matt. As I just mentioned to Hector yesterday over on the “Religion” thread (http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/1179.html#POST26085) “Sadly context is so important, and it’s difficult to hand things out in isolation before they can be fitted into the Big Picture.” So it’s going to be tricky to evaluate the various religious flavorings in the many overcooked stews of ideologies here, in such a way that items can be identified, de-constructed and measured, so those folks here unfamiliar with the nature of foods, cooking and seasoning can easily understand the process and results. On one hand, removing isolated excerpts will eliminate the required context, and on the other hand, speaking in broad generalities will not satisfy your questions, so I’ll try to keep between those extremes. I’ll try to explain why I think I haven’t over-reacted, but I’ll also pull out quotes later. Just to refresh everybody’s memories, here’s what our moderator wrote a couple days ago, and I agree with him 100%: “I do not have a grasp of the German language to the extent needed to know and understand the teachings in any depth. Yes, things have been bastardized, changed, altered, slandered, distorted, falsified etc... but this is not something that has occurred overnight … considering the damage that has been done (it) will take some time to repair. … Yes, this forum is flawed in the sense there are no real caretakers of the information that is released. I don't see very much new information being released except through your translations … “ OK? You ask, “ … what specific religious infused statements … have led you to … quote (Billy) “He who is silent is not only cowardly and not neutral, rather also absolutely irresponsible”? I was particularly struck, in rereading the thread, how badly polluted this list is with christian and/or (fake) “newage” propaganda. I see cowardly non-judgmental humility, a turn-the-other-cheek attitude and “if the enemy tells you to carry his pack for one mile, carry it for ten”. And I see “peace at any price” when the only way to achieve real and enduring peace is to fight for it in a silent revolution of truth where arguments without personal acrimony can get to the bottom of a problem and fix it, instead of exacerbating or smothering it. Selfish “newage” egoism dominates here (“Every man and every woman is a star.”), which is just another form of materialism, and a line straight from the Book of the Law. www.gaiaguys.net/book.of.law.htm Earth humans cannot express an identification with their spirit, and are so wrapped up in their psyches that they cannot rise above petty personalities to understand that we are all so very much MORE than that. The issue at stake – our common survival – cannot afford to be divided and diluted by cheap point-scoring and personal pompous aggrandizement and agenda-pushing. Add to that the more recent (fake) “new age” puke about being cool and non-engaging, where anybody’s ignorant onanistic twaddle is revered as pearls of wisdom and independently honored as a subjective valuable “realty”. It’s just so disempowering. And all this rubbish is very evidently seen as BILLY’S teaching! So you suggest that I might be over-reacting, and to that I answer, no. If anything I haven’t reacted anywhere near enough. But of course I recognize that this IS the English language discussion board, and the problem is that only a tiny percentage of the material under discussion is actually in the English language. There is – for all intents and purposes – nobody here (including the moderator) who is anywhere near adequately familiar with the material under discussion, nor is prepared to deal with the inevitable serious and numerous misunderstandings which are naturally going to arise under these extraordinary circumstances. To further complicate the matter, the participants are also so ignorant of the WAY the material teaches us how to DEAL with this problem, that anyone who doesn’t behave like a good little christian or some cool newage air-head is vilified as not being a team player. And our stressed-out suffering team captain, who cannot cope with the result of the defective arrangement of the board, would rather leave it this way, instead of requesting some much-needed help in the kitchen (which cannot feed the starving troops) because “too many cooks spoil the broth”. The solutions on offer being: either I moderate it here, or start it up on gaiaguys.net, or it gets closed down and we all do it via email, or I go and talk face-to-face with Billy about it – are such to be seen by some here as merely Scott’s huffy sarcasm, while the other extreme fawningly extols these proposals as “excellent”. As I have stated here like a broken record, it seems obvious that the official FIGU English-language Discussion Boards should appropriately be seen as a place where people who do not understand the German language can come for an information resource of current and archived ACCURATE information about FIGU and what it produces. Since mistakes are what we all learn from, these inevitable mistakes should be fixed, and done so in keeping with the character of the renewed teachings, not the false teachings of the Bafath and their many puppets. Let me remind those who did not read, or forgot, what I wrote here. Ptaah recently said that the Bafath’s malign impulses will linger for two or three CENTURIES. And I see it as only logical that the foul consequences of those impulses will outlive even that. Add to that the “real vision” described by Guido Mossbrugger in And Still They Fly www.gaiaguys.net/andyettheyfly.htm which can do Fatima-type “alien” abductions (www.gaiaguys.net/lammer.htm), and you can start to see the difficulty we all face in getting up to the speed required to shake off our chains. So, Matt, here are three selected quotes excerpted from your current contribution, which can be seen as handy instances of the misunderstood or religiously-tainted examples you asked me for. Please note that these quotes were offered by you originally as eternal universal axioms, not personal opinions in disagreement with the renewed teachings - which is always everyone’s right especially here on the list. I’ll take them in the order in which they come. 1.) “The power of truth cannot be conquered by ignorance but also it cannot be damaged by ignorance” Perhaps this one can best be seen as a 100% false understanding of the renewed teachings, as opposed to an example of a false religious teaching, per se. Billy says, “Truth is powerless against stupidity”. The power of truth is indeed great, but so is the power of stupidity, and although you are perfectly right, Matt, that truth cannot be “conquered”, it can be very effectively suppressed (for hundreds of millennia as history shows us) by ignorance. And the most stubborn form of ignorance is what I call meta-ignorance, being when one is ignorant of ignorance – not knowing that one doensn’t know, thus believing that one DOES know, and defending against all suggestions to the contrary. This is this forum’s meta-trouble. The teachings ask, “How can a fool understand a wise person’s words when he doesn’t even understand the meaning of a single one of those words?” I try not to bang on about stupidity, because it’s such a relative concept. We’re all pretty stupid compared to the prophet and those kings and queens of wisdom. But it’s a recurring theme in their material. (“Stupidity will never die out, especially among Earth humans.”) I don’t make very much of it because that’s even worse than berating someone for being too short, for the simple reason that stupid people often stupidly believe they are not. I hasten to add that we’re all deserving of reverence as vehicles of Creation, but we all suffer from varying degrees of stupidity. Ignorance is like a kind of temporary stupidity which is curable by the sufferer. As it is written in The Book of Books, OM32:507 “Unwissen ist unbeständig, wie die vom Wind getriebene Wolke.” (Ignorance is impermanent, like clouds driven before the wind.) 2.) “There are infinite ways towards spiritual knowledge” This is the christian “There are many rooms in my fathers mansion” propaganda. Like “all roads lead to Rome”. No. This is a classic, 100% wrong, false religious teaching. There is only ONE way to where we (should) want to go, and it’s portal is small, and it is a narrow, hard, stony and thorny path, and it’s practically deserted. But the road to damnation has a wide entrance, and the way is broad and smooth and crowded with “nice guys” and happy-clappy doomed fools gaily skipping towards a shortened life of sickness and disease, hate, war and misery, and it leads away from joy, love, peace, freedom, harmony, spiritual balance, etc. This is the most fundamental of all truths, and the centermost plank in the Plejaren platform. 3.) “personal interpretation is irrelevant” 100% wrong again. We are taught that we must first find the truth and then interpret it correctly so it can be applied to our lives, eventually to fix them so we can start to share the truth. If one’s personal interpretation of the truth is flawed, then that truth can never be converted to the knowledge needed to eventually lead to wisdom/love. In that sprit, we have a pertinent translation underway, so I’ll turn to that now in the hope that I’ve provided some food for thought. It may be bit bitter and tough and under-processed for modern degenerated tastes, but it’s very nourishing. I hope to address some of the issues that I have not yet made time for regarding how information should be delivered, as soon as I can. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 200 Registered: 03-2004 |
Vestri I did tell Dyson that I appreciate him. You on the other hand seem to want to stir up trouble. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 595 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Randy, I had really hoped that you would at least give a pause to your error-mongering about the facts of the mission for a while after the your most recent round of serious rebukes, but no … I’m genuinely sorry to have to be on your back, Randy, but I’ve let it go as long as I can, and you seem to be hell-bent (well-chosen term) to ignore the work available to you in the form of English language literature available from FIGU, disregard the unofficial translations I work so hard on for people like you, (they are not done for MY benefit. I read German already) and STILL get out into cyberspace disinforming people, erroneously believing that you know more about the Plejaren teachings than even THEY do. I have asked you this question many times in the past, first privately, and then publicly, and I’ll ask it here again – what do I have to do to get you to cease and desist gratuitously publishing false information to thousands of people about the facts in the Meier case? What greets me this morning at 4AM, after a late night finishing up my most recent English translation? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Plejarens_are_real_2005/message/10682 Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:25 pm > Randy wrote: > > It is also interesting that this final (7th) > incarnation of the spirit-form of Billy Meier is > apparently the last. > Hi Randy > > I remember reading on the forum where Jacob says > that Billy's > spiritform is scheduled to reincarnate in the year > 2075. Hi Robjna, His last incarnation (seventh) as a PROPHET was what was meant. He will of course have to abide by the laws of Creation and reincarnate enduring the next sixty to eighty billion years before his and our spirit forms again resonate with consciousness level Arahat Athersata.... so great was his love for his people. Randy ô¿ô http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv6p410-413.htm Hat Nokodemion aber schon unzählige Wiedergeburten während seiner ersten 58 Milliarden Jahre umfassenden grobmateriellen Entwicklung durchgestanden, und also auch die unzähligen Wiedergeburten der letzten 12 Milliarden Jahre, dann wird er die restlichen 47- 48 Milliarden Jahre auch noch schaffen. If Nokodemion has, however, already withstood uncountable reincarnations during his first 58,000,000,000 years of comprehensive course-matter development, and therefore also the uncountable reincarnations of the last 12,000,000,000 years, then he would still accomplish the remaining 47,000,000,000 to 48,000,000,000 years. ------------------------------------------------------- You will be famous one day for this sort of thing, and all I can imagine is that you actually are motivated with a perverse desire that your name become a common noun, eventually to become a verb. Like Wrong-again Randy Arena. “Gee whiz! You sure are an arena!” “Gosh! You really arenad that one!” PLEASE stop trying to teach the public before you have learned the material. I admit that only being off by from 12,000,000,000 to 33,000,000,000 years in this instance is not going to shatter the planet if someone erroneously thinks you know what you are teaching people, but it is so symptomatic of someone who cannot or will not stop teaching before he has adequately learned the material. What do I have to do to get you to cease and desist gratuitously providing false information to people about the facts in the Meier case? This is not a rhetorical question. PLEASE stop trying to teach people before you have learned the material. The above was immediately followed by this, 23 minutes later, with a number of much more serious errors passed off gratuitously and athoritatively as fact, (along with a bit of public back-stabbing) and you don’t even believe the ET people are getting it right who coined and defined the terms you use: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:48 pm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Plejarens_are_real_2005/message/10683 In looking for truth, particularly reincarnation, talents seem obviously gleaned from previous incarnations unless of course you take into account genetics, specifically DNA memory. Which if memory serves is mentioned as possible by Billy. Most modern day scientists will tell you there is no such thing, but there are chemical memory systems out there and it stands to reason that there could be a possiblility of that as well. Talents seen in families such as Bach's family reflect this possiblity. But, to get back... how can you prove reincarnation? Remembering talents of past lives like Beethoven,Mozart or Tesla have seemed to do... help prove this point. Billy Meier is also a good proveing point and his contact with others more advanced (Plejaren types) would be a good history lesson for us as well. The fact is... it is not yet provable to our currrent society especially if they adhere to beliefs to the contrary. The CCB, a sore point with Dyson and myself... the Collective Consciousness Block which each of us has... seems to be and "area" in Dyson's mind but to me... and he really gets hot about this... but hey it's only a discussion... could it be a barrier as well? I mean... in AA we have total memory of all previous lives... right? So that means there is a place where our lives are recorded and we cannot access those things until the time is right. Sort of like learning Algebra, some things don't make sense when taught too early... so they are kept from us and we learn imaginary numbers before we learn how to use them. So the block is lifted at that time when we no longer need bodies to increase our consciousness or we glean information from that area... really it is semantics and probably not too important to the Mission. --------------------------------------------------------- All I can hope for is that the word will eventually get out that your teachings are not to be trusted, like with Kal Korff and “TerraX”, but since people, even on THIS list, still apparently believe that Randy Winters is OK, even though Ptaah calls him a liar and a scoundrel, I have very little hope that you will not continue to do your damage this way, thus impeding the mission and your own (and many others') spiritual progress and true happiness as long as you can. PLEASE cease and desist gratuitously publicly providing false information to people about the facts in the Meier case. PLEASE. Salome, Dyson | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 10-2006 |
Dyson, I don't want to instigate you any further, but I think the needle on your record is stuck in the same track ... over and over and over again. Cut us some slack, please? | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 470 Registered: 06-2000 |
Dear Dyson ; You post a good argument , as has been the case since this started .Naturally , those who don't really know , should not have a platform to teach the Geisteslehre . The poster who makes a wrong assumption has not been given a platform to teach , just by being on the forum . However , I think there are some things that you , in your disdain for assumptions, may not be considering .I disagree with you completely that Randy A. will pollute the world with wrong assumptions ; he's only working through learning in a discussion format .He made a mistake in making it look as if he really knew what he was talking about , that's apparent , anyway. What you are objecting to , I think , is that this forum is not what you would like it to be . He's not writing books and distributing them , after all . Even still , you wrongly assume that everyone will hang on every word that Randy Arena posts here and then go and conduct their lives according to anything the've read .It's just not realistic . Don't worry about those that you call "ignoramuses" getting mislead , they only came here for the photographs . This forum was never intended to be a lecture zone with a master present who strikes down any who dare to get the concepts wrong .It's for discussion , which is a workbench for anyone to learn by getting it right the first time , OR making mistakes and having to be corrected with quotes and logic that prove the point otherwise . Getting angry weakens the argument of even a person who is completely right , in the minds of SOME others .Something like that MAY be in the OM , or not , but I learned that from my horse . Of course with your following of fans , you can do no wrong ( Vote for Dyson in 2007) and it becomes a popularity contest . And here I am , appreciating your translation work just like everyone else does , yet with an opinion , which is my due . At the same time , I welcome anyone who can correct a wrong concept . Processes of thought will bring other words into play in such a forum , words that can easily be construed as being off the mark of the Geisteslehre , which is a very difficult thing at least , to understand . It has been established here years before since anno 2000 that people can express their opinions , and others have the right to cringe and correct them , or at least to challenge their particular way of thinking . It seems logical to me that by getting some things wrong and posting them and having those false concepts challenged , we are in a real university forum setting , which is in my opinion a better classroom than a simple lecture and report scenario . My present demeanor of calmness and non-confrontalism took a hellofa long time to culture , so I enjoy it , even if you think there's something wrong with it . You are after all ,entitled to your opinion about anything at all . I disagree completely that Mr. Arena is doing anything near what Winters did . Do I have to even mention that Randy Arena does NOT have a 16 tape series for sale on his own version of the Meier material ? He does NOT have his own website spreading this stuff around , You are being absolutely impatient with another seeker of the truth . Which does not signify love harmony joy and peace . So let me try at least to shed some light on the situation , even in recognition of the apparent lack of possibilty that you could be wrong about anything , ever . I mean , truly , being able to read and translate German gives you the right to slice and dice to a fraction of the minutae of meaning . Please do . Even though you hate to do it , a forum environment requires that we comment on false assumptions and correct them , That is after all part of the learning process . So , to make one point from this whole post , recognize that even though you hate it , you will have to straighten out the assumptions if others don't beat you to it , and maybe you should give them a chance to . On the other hand , an assumptive post is not an NBC News Special Report , telling how it is .It's a fleeting thing , hardly noticed in the big picture . Thanks for reading the whole thing , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 214 Registered: 04-2006 |
What aptitudes and prerequisites must one possess for the fulfillment of the mission? ........"The self-control one possesses must be self-evident and can only be gained through arduous self-scrutiny, where every iota of one’s thoughts is kept completely safe and under control, regardless of outside influences. One must not allow even the minutest NEGATIVE VIBRATION of thought and EMOTION to radiate or become noticeable to others in any way. A totally neutral, unbiased attitude towards all forms of life at all times must be achieved, which, ultimately, becomes one’s second nature". Billy Meier, 20 November 1988. Everyone make his own interpretation of the above and think about it. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 599 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, It seems like the Meier material about error-correction, which Vivienne and I are still working to deliver more of now, cannot come too soon, because I see early indications that my poorly chosen expression about taking “sides” and not remaining silent could degenerate into something even more unpleasant than the “recent unpleasantness”, (which – as an aside, is the polite German’s euphemism for WWII) here on this beleaguered discussion forum. I’ll repeat: “Sadly, context is so important, and it’s difficult to hand things out in isolation before they can be fitted into the Big Picture.” So I can’t deliver it all in one hit, and delivering it any other way initially adds to the confusion. Catch-22. Billy would not want humans to start picking fights nor choosing “sides”. Rather, we should logically decide, through logical study of the available accurate material, what position we think we should take on an argument about the truth and be prepared to declare our chosen position wisely and lovingly. This is not a call for a mandatory open ballot. It is merely me telling you that the renewed teachings advise against cowardly (christian) non-judgmental “neutrality”. We need to love one another and treat one another with the respect deserved by all creatures of Creation. Anyway, I wanted to share a little of my understanding about what we are taught about how criticism is meant to be made, and how some of these techniques can run into trouble in the context of an out-of-control public discussion forum. (I won’t quote chapter and verse from the TJ, because you probably all have a nice searchable copy by now, and you can do your own verifications.) Both Jmmanuel and Billy teach us about personal exchanges with a hypothetical “neighbor”, which is really an inadequate synonym for the German language word, “nächste”, which really means “closest/nearest/next”, or the person closest/nearest/next to you. “Nachbarin” is a more literal equivalent of the English language term “neighbor”, but we stick to the tradition and translate “nächste” as “neighbor”. So the totality of the advice provided about going to your neighbor and trying to tell him privately and respectfully that he is screwing up does not quite apply on an internet discussion forum, nor does the advice about leaving the company of those of the vast majority of Earth humans who go on the attack against any who genuinely tries to help. In Jmmanuel’s parable, these humans represent the “swine”. It is a parable. Humans are not swine, but can act like swine. (OM uses this parable a lot.) So we have to adapt our approach to a public speaking platform where we all take turns expressing our individual positions to the heterogeneous group, (any of whom can choose not to listen – skip reading the post – at any time) which represents a broad socio-geo-political spectrum of individuals of varying ages, cultural, educational and economic levels, intellectual abilities, command of the languages, tastes, values, personal backgrounds and experiences, and so on and so forth. These differences must be respected, and are a wonderful opportunity to try to broaden our subjective perspective on important issues. But the sagacious advice is not to use – for instance – confusing words (and I know that many of my words have largely dropped out of modern English parlance) because the idea is to communicate, not obfuscate, and has to be seen in the light of that advice being meant for face-to-face TALK with one’s “neighbor”, not a text to a group of 500 some different people. I do talk with little words to folks who need it, but – in this instance – I do not write to the lowest common linguistic denominator, but choose to use our language more fully, not acceding to the modern deliberate dumbing-down of the language, and not crippling our problematical translation efforts any more than required by the intrinsic limitations of the language. If the German language knockers on the other thread go here: www.gaiaguys.net/translations.htm they will find the answers they seek. There are also various other explanations about “why not English?” in various other places on our site, like www.gaiaguys.net/andyettheyfly.htm where I wrote, “I think it's VERY admirable and intelligent of these highly spiritually advanced extraterrestrials to initiate contact in a secondary language, so the truth can seep gently into the English-speaking world without ignorant panic.” This www.gaiaguys.net/ET-ETHICS.htm may be worth reading too, for those who still do not understand Jim Deardorff’s webpage here www.tjresearch.info/denial.htm. Coincidentally, these two articles were independently published in the same week five years ago. Anyway, I think it’s safe to say that if there’s one thing which characterizes Earth humans, it’s an almost total lack of common sense, to the extent that some of these teachings won’t work very well if the reductionists among us fall upon them like ravenous wolves and tear them apart into their constituent parts and start using these dismembered pieces of text as anti-personnel weapons against all those who have chosen a different position, as is everybody’s universal right. Please bear that in mind when reading www.gaiaguys.net/meier.sww.kritikundkritik.htm Please take Billy’s article holistically, in the spirit and context in which it is so obviously written. Salome, Dyson P.S. Hi Jakes, Markc & Hector, (whose posts just appeared as I was contributing the above) I’ve addresses each one of the various topics recently which you’ve raised. Dear Jakes, In short, as above. Please don’t read my contributions if you don’t want to. I can understand why you don’t like them. I’m sorry. Can't be helped! :-) When you see who has posted, just skip that contribution. Dear Markc, As previously indicated, I naturally agree with most of what you write here, except some of your wrong ideas about my recently expressed motives, methods and subjective perceptions. You’ve even pinched my reminding Scott about this not being a popularity contest! Just as well, eh, big boy? ;-) And you just pre-empted my idea about not calling for a vote! :-) I gotta wake up earlier! Dear Hector, Thanks very much for that! Very useful! (Where’s the source?) OOOPS! What have I DONE! ON NO! UPPER CASE LETTERS AND EXPLANATION MARKS!!!!!!????? AND NOW LONG STRINGS OF QUESTION MARKS?????????????????? HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A DISPLAY OF EMOTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Meant as an attempt at sardonic humor) www.gaiaguys.net/meier.v1p11-20.htm 176. Lass dich nie in Rage bringen, doch schreie und brülle, wenn es die Situation erfordert, doch verliere dabei niemals deine Kontrolle über dich und tue das in dieser Form so, dass keine negativen Gefühle dich beeinträchtigen. 176. Never let yourself be enraged, yet scream and bellow if the situation demands it, yet thereby never lose control of yourself and do it in such a way that no negative feelings adversely affect you. 177. Erarbeite dir daher ein Vertrauen und die Gewissheit dessen, dass du immer die Kontrolle bewahren wirst, wobei du dich aber nicht anders geben sollst, als dies deinem Naturell entspricht, denn die Menschen sollen sehen und erkennen, dass du ein Mensch bist wie sie selbst. 177. To this end work out a trust and a certainty that you will always maintain control, whereby you should not, however, do anything other than that which corresponds to your nature, because the humans should see and recognize that you are a human as are they themselves. 178. Das aber bedeutet, dass auch du nicht ohne Fehl bist und in jeder Beziehung lernen musst. 178. That, however, means that you are also not without fault, and must learn in every respect. 179. Trotzdem sei dir geboten, Vertrauen zu dir selbst zu haben, und zwar bis zum letzten Atemzug. 179. You are advised, in spite of that, to have trust in yourself, and indeed until your last breath. Seems like good advice to all of us! Cheers! | ||
Fedor Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hector, safe to say we're all disqualified, except for Billy. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 215 Registered: 04-2006 |
The more i re-read Meier material the better i gather further understanding. I won't provide the quote since truthbringers do not need to prove their points....I'm kidding... "The answer to an unasked question" http://www.figu.org/us/figu/billy_meier/interview.htm "Other essential traits relating to one’s fulfillment of the Mission and to the personal realization of the laws and commandments of Creation, include total fearlessness, integrity, steadfastness and PATIENCE, COMPASSION and leniency, enormous TACTFULNESSS, EMPATHY, extensive inner greatness, and modesty in all areas where one has an interest. Without having these personal and characteristic qualities, it is incomprehensible for anyone to consider, even remotely, an attempt to fulfill the Mission". Quick guide for truthbringing wannabees.... Hope this helps.Regards to all of you. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 600 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Fedor, Even Billy too, if you read the material. He’s good at it, but nobody’s perfect. We’re all human, even the Plejaren Kings and Queens of Wisdom, and even the prophet, who is Older than the Oldest and Wiser than the Wisest. So we’re in good company! :-) Cheers! Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 481 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Dyson Thanks Dyson for sharing your considered thoughts. Dyson if you may, I'd like to explore this discourse further in the spirit of learning. I want to know what you and others think about my own views on this. Although it's advantageous for those of us who are less knowledgeable about the spiritual teachings to be corrected by people more knowledgeable than us where needed, it's an unavoidable fact that in an open forum, there was never a priori of expected level of understanding imposed by any set of rules or person for them to have acquired before being allowed to participate on this forum. In most instances, the purpose of this forum is an avenue for people to come together in search of knowledge that they don't know and to discuss various points of views with others irrespective of its nature or personal views. Now wouldn't it make sense for anyone in the know that free expressed opinions does not necessarily have to conform with the spiritual teachings and represent accurately it's intended meaning so long as the participant does not deliberately falsify and misrepresent what they say as the truth. So in the instances of shared point of view, because people don't know, they'll express point of views that does not necessarily conform accurately with the truth but I dare say isn't this the natural process of learning through dialogue where there are other participants with different level of knowledge and point of views who'll share their knowledge in which other participants could test their own of it's accuracy as well as it's veracity. Otherwise any imposition of strict guidelines in the presence of someone hairs breath away at any given moment to jump in to rectify and correct them denies other people their freedom and the evolutive steps they must walk on their own and from their own free judgement of the opportunities to learn. If every word we utter must conform with the exact words delivered in the spirit lessons, then this is an erroneous expectation because the potential student will use their own language as they know it in coming to grips with the spirit lessons until with further study, they revise their knowledge upon further recognition of their error. So in as much as I agree with the principles behind why its pertinent and imperative that false assumption or interpretations of various forum postings need to be corrected if it does not fall in line with spiritual facts, I cannot see how this paradox could be adequately addressed with balance. Another paradox apparent in the act of correction is when a shared opinion by a participant does not conform with the truth of the spiritual teachings, the false personal interpretation from the lesson studied will not necessarily be recognised by the participant even though it was corrected. So even with the best of intentioned act of correction will not necessarily achieve its intended aim and purpose of correcting the false assumption and interpretation of the participant if that participant cannot see or avail themselves to understanding the corrections. Another thing that most of us here are probably guilty of at one point in time is being too quick to judge and jump to unnecessarily quick conclusions based on just what is written by a forum member. Seeing as its only inevitable that with the benefit of hindsight and further clarification necessary if we are to get our point across adequately, there will always be misunderstanding due to the inadequacy of the language as well as our ability to clearly express ourselves to the point where there is no misunderstanding. Case in point The supposed universal axiom that I had expressed such as "The power of truth cannot be conquered by ignorance but also it cannot be damaged by ignorance" Your response to this was---------- Perhaps this one can best be seen as a 100% false understanding of the renewed teachings, as opposed to an example of a false religious teaching, per se. Billy says, ¡°Truth is powerless against stupidity¡±. The power of truth is indeed great, but so is the power of stupidity, and although you are perfectly right, Matt, that truth cannot be ¡°conquered¡±, it can be very effectively suppressed (for hundreds of millennia as history shows us) by ignorance. And the most stubborn form of ignorance is what I call meta-ignorance, being when one is ignorant of ignorance – not knowing that one doensn¡¯t know, thus believing that one DOES know, and defending against all suggestions to the contrary. This is this forum¡¯s meta-trouble. The teachings ask, ¡°How can a fool understand a wise person¡¯s words when he doesn¡¯t even understand the meaning of a single one of those words?¡± I try not to bang on about stupidity, because it¡¯s such a relative concept. We¡¯re all pretty stupid compared to the prophet and those kings and queens of wisdom. But it¡¯s a recurring theme in their material. (¡°Stupidity will never die out, especially among Earth humans.¡±) I don¡¯t make very much of it because that¡¯s even worse than berating someone for being too short, for the simple reason that stupid people often stupidly believe they are not. I hasten to add that we¡¯re all deserving of reverence as vehicles of Creation, but we all suffer from varying degrees of stupidity. Ignorance is like a kind of temporary stupidity which is curable by the sufferer. As it is written in The Book of Books, OM32:507 ¡°Unwissen ist unbeständig, wie die vom Wind getriebene Wolke.¡± (Ignorance is impermanent, like clouds driven before the wind.) Where I was coming from in the whole context of the preceding points I wanted to convey was, if I could borrow from samjase's ST to make a point:- 44. Thus, there is also an all-creating existence in the universe that, on the strength of its force, creates forces that constantly and unperturbedly follow and enliven the endless eons as truth, knowledge and wisdom and according to a given uniform guideline along certain creative laws. 46. And therefore, there is only one existence that rules throughout the universe- only one Creation, only one truth, one knowledge and one wisdom and that is synchronous and unchanging for all times. 47. The eternal truth is not subject to any variations and changes and its laws must never be revised and adjusted to new times. So it was on this premise which I'd simplified in my own words which I had expressed that I was hoping to convey the idea that although on this forum there are views that does not necessarily conform with the spiritual facts, since the truth is eternal and unchanging it'll always remain constant even if people's ignorance is rampant on this forum, myself included, depending on who's standard is applied, nonetheless it won't alter the facts of truth and pose enough danger whereby throes of the mass mob will be led astray in frenzy therefore what I had perceived as you being overreactive was the point I was trying to make. Although of all places and of all people here who are at least partially in the know should not help cloud the integrity of the truth nor knowingly distort it, I believe the spirit on which this forum was created by Billy, which he probably foresaw such a nature of discussion as being inevitable, was intended for participants from all walks of life to discuss various issues and freely without restriction express their views as it honestly happens. Afterall the truth would be safely in the hands of the 49 core group members for years to come. In the mean time, for those of us less evolved our task should be learning from honest mistakes and be allowed to make honest mistakes until we actually get it. I am sure nobody is expecting any miracles for it to happen overnight nor should we be forced to accelerate unnaturally the speed of which our capacity to understand isn't capable of dealing with. If I had a alternative suggestion in matters related to how the spirit lessons should be discussed its this 1) A topic for group discussion is proposed beforehand 2) There is a collective decision to focus on a specific topic eg. certain verse from certain passage available in English 3) Get people to agree to discuss on this topic until satisfactorily discussed and misunderstanding neutralized instead of just leaving the discussion topic ad hoc hoping for a response 4) Exchanging of ideas and suggestions on what to focus should be encouraged therefore facilitating creative ideas and opening up of matters not discussed before. 5) Providing chance for people to raise issues and ask questions relevant to the topic that they don't understand. 6) The spirit lessons should be the focal point of discussion although people should be free to discuss other matters they are interested in. 7) By prioritizing the spirit lesson into this format better collective understanding and co-operation could be reached instead of one person frantically trying to plug the hole of the sinking titanic. There is certainly more but you get the idea I hope I have made myself adequately clear enough without engendering more confusion inadequate as it may be. Anyway let me know what your views are Dyson even if you may have expressed yourself enough in your preceding numerous posts for some of us to get a fair idea as to what your thoughts are on the matter. Thanks Matt | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 601 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear (N.I.) Matt, Thanks for all that. I suppose the sheer volume of FIGU information I’ve delivered (as is my obligation to those who desire it) recently has buried some of my salient points, so I don’t have a problem with repeating myself, again, as long as you realize that you have actually already resolved your “paradox” within your own post, where you write, “…so long as the participant does not deliberately falsify and misrepresent what they say as the truth.” Here’s my analogy: the sun = the truth, sunlight = the power of truth. You can block out sunlight, or filter, color, reflect, refract, minimize it, etc., but nobody can extinguish the sun. As to my misunderstanding about what you were trying to convey about the power of truth, Matt, I think we have a pretty basic word-problem here, “The eternal truth is not subject to any variations and changes” because if someone changes it, then – by definition – it is no longer the truth. So as soon as it is changed, it is suddenly something OTHER than the truth. It could be a bit of temporary ignorance, a deliberate deception, intractable stupidity, a delusion and so on. But it is no longer the truth, which never ever ever ever changes at all in any way, because the truth cannot be changed and eternally remains the truth. But is CAN be quite easily hidden, by passing off the aforementioned untruth in such a way that people who do not know any better believe it. And believe me, I get people from all over the planet all the time writing Vivienne and me (and Michael Horn) with confusions about what is true simply because there are lot of people out there who like to teach the Meier material, but get it all wrong, often – mysteriously – 100% wrong almost 100% of the time. So I’m not objecting to those who don’t have a firm grasp of the truth, nor do I have major problems with people who sometimes don’t understand what they are talking about. We all – me included – make mistakes. That’s how we learn. But I object to people who continually pass off, as Billy’s, serious false religious teachings here, so these serious false religious teachings remain uncorrected, to mislead sincere students until they are corrected ... by … someone … who can do it and is prepared to. Anyway, please, everybody, let’s all freely make all the mistakes we have to about the truth as it is delivered by the prophet and his cosmic helpers - BUT - PLEASE to not make and widely distribute these errors of fact to the public in such a way that they are misunderstood to be BILLYS facts and true teachings. I seem unable to make clear enough the simple difference between those two different things. Of course I do not hate assumptions. But I do not like these assumptions –when they are untrue and serious and continual – being continually widely peddled as Billy’s teachings. The side matter of similarly numerous published errors of fact about non-FIGU material is irksome, but nowhere near as serious, because a bit of a web-search is usually all that it takes correct them, unlike with Billy’s teachings. Unfortunately, I think your 7 point plan won’t work, mate. It’s not going be to practical under the circumstances we have on this list. We’re now trying our best to produce more (articles/translations) on these topic to promote a better understanding of the challenges we’re all facing here. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 133 Registered: 01-2006 |
Well Mark, whatever way you look at it, or whatever way you feel about what Dyson is doing in regards to him helping forum/others out with clarifications and corrections of the spirit material, and wether you think its right or wrong what his doing and if he should continue, there have been a number of peoples from both sides of this viewpoint who have posted in stating that they are all for what Dyson is doing, as well as against it. So on that basis how can any side or person be right about wether its right or wrong what he is doing, and also wether or not he should continue with it? I can only put forward my opinion on the matter, which is I welcome any or all of Dyson's clarification and corrections of the Meier spirit teachings and material, because I find it helpfull and usefull, and also because I'll choose to want to learn more about what the truth is about anything posted here, then worry about (few) other people's emotions anyday. I'm here because I want to learn about truth and not because I want to worry or think about other people's emotions. I see that as being their problem, if they get offended from hearing the same thing that I came here to hear - Truth! I reckon Shawn summed it up best. "A ship without a captain will hardly find its planned destiny. I'm with Dyson, we are better served in our learnings when oversight is kept up and corrections are done without emotions throwing the ship off course. We all come here for our own reasons, but we were drawn here by the aroma of truth we haven't tasted in many lifetimes. Diluted truth, I'm tired of that." "Jakes, I'm referring to this discussion board regarding Dyson, in my last statement. Of course Billy is the most knowledgeable spiritual being here, and is by nature the one who should be guiding our planet. Billy's time is better spent in other areas of the mission than our section of the figu forum. The pure effort and diligence displayed by Dyson earns his unacknowledged position as the best person to help in our growing knowledge at THIS SITE. If you have someone with a better credential for this needed aspect we're all ears. Again, I meant just this site." http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/7182.html?1174456524 | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 474 Registered: 06-2000 |
Tony ; Many words say nothing and less , says much . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 484 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Dyson Dyson I think the momentum of the current you've set in motion has already gained force and is receding with it all of us in an uncharted territory. Some here will continue to object and resent your actions as intrusive and unrelentingly dogmatic from their own conclusions. Some here will fully support your actions as a necessary yardstick on which further progress can be obtained by the rectification received by the one that knows the most here on this forum. Some here such as myself will refrain from seeing this either as a black or white issue which does not necessary mean I am a fence sitting bat going to and fro to either side that happens to be winning, as I said earlier it's definitely not about taking sides but what is fundamentally the most crucial issue at heart. The issue with you happens to be defending in desperation, like a man witnessing his house rapidly burning down and trying to put it out, the truth and the integrity of truth as it is delivered unchanged. My criticism happens to be the method in which you go about it rather than the principle. What has been set in motion and the outcome of it, only time will tell. Maybe those of us like myself who aren't wise enough to recognise what the basis of your burning passion is on this regard that has driven you to such an extent may one day see for ourselves what you see now and come to realise why you have taken this course. But in the mean time some people here may decide to refrain from participating on this forum whilst some will be reticent to participate even if they want to whilst people like myself will continue participating in the quest for more truths. The playing field and the unspoken rule has indelibly changed. Now the dominant conversant speech from most post would likely to look like this:- "According to Billy, this is what it's said" "It is written in so and so contact number, line xxxx that....... is it true" "I think this is what it's saying on this passage of so and so book or article.......is my assumption correct" "This is my opinion only which does not necessarily represent the FIGU literature......." "This poster said so and so but I think it means this.......what is correct" "Can you give us a quote from the actual contact note, reference from which page of which book or article....." etc etc Whatever the case maybe, I am just trying to make sense of it all. I do see important merit from other forum members sentiments shared. Another issue that surfaces is the cross participatory nature of forum members here on such other forum as Plejarens_are_real_2005. Although Michael and Dr deadorff's presence assures of good governance, its nothing like the interventionist approach as yours, so what happens there. I haven't participated there for a while but I believe you've actually chose not to participate any longer yourself. Who would be the dominant voice there who share the same approach as yourself. Looks like most members there follow unwritten rule of co-operative collective self governance in good faith. Anyway all in all, the enormous contribution you put into the mission cannot be appreciated enough I just hope the end all be all approach doesn't act as a detrimental factor whereby its intended purpose is lost and with it the intended result. Kind regards Matt | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 217 Registered: 04-2006 |
We are not born equal.We all have different consciousness capabilities, different spiritual levels, gained via hard work in countless former incarnations.That means when we all come to this forum, there will be some slow learners and some fast learners. Many of us won't keep the pace, because its physically impossible.Spiritual evolution, spiritual learning takes time and we will make mistakes in the way.Then there's the german barrier too. It is not only a matter of will, but a matter of consciousness/spirit form status as well as a matter of access to vital information.Compared to Billy, neither Sfath nor Ptaah could keep the pace with him when it came to spiritual matters. Mistakes will be made, inevitabily.Look.Figu's books are always revised and re-edited prior to printing.If anyone is afraid that posts here can lead to disinformation, please remove them when detected.Just like Figu when they discover typos/ mistakes in their books.If those post are not removed, it means this forum is not so much important for the mission. But please do not excesively pressure the slow learners because that is unnatural, unnecessary and un-creational.Like a guy suffering down-syndrome cannot be miracolously transformed into an Albert Einstein, an average or religious man will not cognize/understand spiritual teachings, absolute truths too easily. A slow learner, when we set a too fast pace, he can collapse.From: Sensible, Dignified, Valuable (2005) "When, therefore, the criticism is brought forward in a too direct and brutal way, then it fails not only in its goal rather it also causes monstrous damage, which can lead to evil animosity". Tasks of the Fast Learner (As an example, Dyson): To be a guide, an example to the fellow forum members, to teach, to point out & correct mistakes in a positive way, respect the "Unwissenden" (unknowing ones), be patient, availability to assist, leadership, willingness to protect the whole forum community. Tasks of the Slow Learners (As an example, Rarena):Unlimited willingness to learn and improve, self-control, humility, self-imposing of benchmarks and qualifications, willingness to listen to counsel, caution, discipline, respect the fast learners, motivation. This is not rocket science, this is what the Plejaren teachers are currently doing with us terrestrials (slow learners).And let me finish saying that we all, good students and bad students, we all are spiritual truthseekers, and as such we are "traveling temples of creation" which deserve reverence/admiration in a world which is dominated by humans embracing anti-logos, false teachings, degenerations of all kinds and illogical thinking. Have a nice day. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1122 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Hector, Do you think the English Forum is worth keeping? How would you compare this forum to the German? Thanks for your input. Scott | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 604 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Matt,(et al), “Dogmatic”? Not me! They must be confusing that word with “pedantic”? “Didactic”? “Bombastic”? “Maybe manic”? :-) I may be a lot of things, but I’m NOT dogmatic. BILLY SAYS, “Speak little. Write much.” (And if people don’t like me quoting Billy & Co. then I ask again: why in the world are you HERE, reading the FIGU’s FIGU-Mission Discussion Forum?? Please don’t go away mad, just please go away and make room for people who do not (yet) read the German language, or for whatever other reason are not (yet) familiar with the Meier material and REALLY want to know more. There are plenty of other forums out there where the “Age of Horus” will warmly welcome you.) BEAM also says, (as you know) “He who is silent is not only cowardly and not neutral, rather also absolutely irresponsible." - July 11th, 2006 I’m utterly unapologetic for my approach – which is quite consistent with the teachings, which are not understood here due to long-uncorrected misunderstandings, but I would not say you are not wise, Matt. Both Vivienne and I are impressed with your wisdom, but you are – like the majority here – sadly ignorant of what the mission is all about and what is really on offer. We’re just trying to help, as is everyone’s duty. Has anyone read our latest translation effort? Our Jani King articles also shed some light on some of the origins of the problems here: www.gaiaguys.net/whatptaahreallysays.htm I try to describe the source of my (logic-led) “passion” with a new (coming) translation from OM, mentioned on the “Translations” thread, and Vivienne has a major article well underway which has a working title: “Love is not ‘ALL you need’. - The necessity of knowledge, order and a disciplined adherence to the truth - a letter to English speaking seekers of truth from a FIGU friend” It’s a very good one, with lots of excerpts from the FIGU texts. And my coming (very soon) OM excerpt is quite moving (to me anyway). I hope it may touch some others here in the same way it does me. If not, to each his own. We save on mounting bandwidth costs if we have fewer visits to our translations pages. The PAR list (2005?? Wakey wakey, boys!) is a ship of fools without a rudder. They don’t read what we provide for them, evidently being unable or unwilling to use search engines for the answers they claim to seek, preferring to tell each other made-up stories about the Plejarans (sic). Some years back, one of the (ex) moderators (and founder) ultimately persuaded me to sign up, and I eventually managed it after bizarre technical difficulties trying to do so, and, after posting one too many quotes from the Talmud Jmmanuel, our anonymous friend “James the Truthseeker” – without notice – threw me off for “quoting the Bible, being some sort of Christian fundamentalist, and belonging to the ‘Church of Dyson’” (Ha ha! Gotta laugh!) I was then subjected to a lengthy public beauty contest (readers’ poll) asking whether I should be reinstated, have my ban continued, or be the moderator (where have I heard that before?). I seem to remember, even with TerraX and “Linda Williams” (and a host of others) also hot on my heels, most voters wanted me to be allowed to return and be the moderator (!), but I never went back, the scales having fallen from my eyes at last. Jim keeps one eye on it and Michael contributes from time to time, (they were the sole reason I joined) but there is no real “governance” nor do the participants generally know what they are on about. There’s a little mendacious character-assassination cabal at work over there at the moment, which happens there sporadically. I’m evidently (mysteriously) banned from ALL www forums except this FIGU one. Certainly Yahoo won’t have me. Please see here: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/5786.html#POST15736 for the pertinent origins of the word “Yahoo”. For goodness sake people, don’t panic. Try to act normally. Go on about your business. I have not “changed”, but I have a growing problem with the person who tricked me into revealing a lot of deep German-language-only info in numerous long personal emails, with the premise that he had just found, and was really keen on, the FIGU stuff and couldn’t wait to get all the books, etc. He kept my emails (he publicly refers to them as, “my notes”) and then started publicly doling out corrupted versions of what I had told him, in such a way that people are tricked into believing that he has deep knowledge of Billy’s German language works. I was done like a dinner! When will I learn? He even took it upon himself to privately email Wendelle Stevens to politely inform him that Dyson Devine and Vivienne Legg of gaiaguys.net had told everyone not to read any of his material. !#$%^&*&^%$#!! That’s what prompted this: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/6730.html#POST23641 (Bear in mind that we actually have one of Wendelle’s books on line on our Meier index.) We wrote Wendelle a long clarification of Randy’s vicious lies to him, but we never got a reply, as the damage had presumably already been done. It is called “WEDGE POLITICS”, and it works. And the wedge is lubricated with oily words. There is much more in this vein. He wrote Michael Horn and told HIM that I had told him that I “didn’t believe in reincarnation”, etc, etc. But that should serve to clue you in to the sort of Earth human we nurse at our bosom here on this forum. (I say “send him packing”, Scott.) This just so you all know - in the spirit of the truth, which is the only way to enduring peace. Peace in love/wisdom, Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 605 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Hector, (et al) Thanks very much for that. Well put, IMO. (Yours just came up after I replied to Matt.) Those who read what I wrote in this last week may understand that it does not serve the truth for me to talk down to the lowest common denominator of this forum, just as Billy simply “tells it like it is” in profoundly erudite German*, and leaves it to each of us to reach for it at our own different individual speeds. If this uniquely valuable resource of FIGU information (albeit slightly tinged with dis-mis-info) is closed down, Scott, history will judge you very harshly because if there was ever a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, closing down this forum would be it and there would be victory parties all over Langley for a week. May I please suggest, as a more gentle and logical alternative, that you simply sift through the barrel from time to time and throw away the occasional bad apple? Salome, Dyson *means that some here may have to learn English first before attempting Billy’s German, which, we are told, keeps the other Figuvians running for their dictionaries. :-) | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 218 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Scott i see no reasons why this Forum shuld be shut.It's not only a vehicle to discuss Billy Meier material, but also a place where you can recolect interesting information about ufos, mysteries, world order and many more. The only difference i see is that the German Forum is moderated by 2 or 3 persons who are in direct contact with Billy (Patric Chenaux, Hans Lanzendorfer), so they are entitled to give appropiate answers to any questions related to the mission or to the spirit teachings. Many of my opinions here have been based on texts read in the german forum.To master german is an obvious advantage but to have read the material is not equal to understand it. Personally i prefer this Forum because 1) English is the "international language" nowadays, and it will remain that way at least one century.2) You learn, evolve much faster taking the hard, tough path, which is try to understand Meier material with almost no external help.(i have read only one Figu Book, "Die Wahrheit über die Plejaden").3)I really feel comfortable here and feel empathy with many of the various forum personalities. 4) Since my first post here, my life has improved to a great extent, and as compensation i would like to give some of that gratitude back. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1124 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Hector, I was just testing the waters with you, in regards to your comment about the importance of the Forum in regards to the Mission. Hi Dyson, I agree with you in spirit regarding giving the heave ho to persons, who intentionally may be trying to muck up the waters, but at times it is hard to interpret that as being intentional, or just plain ignorance of certain facts. My conflict lies in the fact, that people should be allowed to express themselves, and then deal with the consequences positive or negative. Yes, I have cancelled accounts, because it became very apparent that those individuals were hell bent on causing confusion and discourse. From reading your comments, it is more than apparent whom you are speaking of. I don't have a criteria to evaluate what this person says as being true, unless someone is able to cite specific examples (as you have done). More than anything, I at times recognize that something a person states may be up for question, but I don't have the time to dig through layers of material to do that, unless it is really blatant, or it is something I know for sure regarding the material. Perhaps that is where those who have a greater knowledge of the material need to step in. When someone steps in and corrects another person, I also benefit, because I many times then learn something also. At times I have thought of taking a vote regarding certain individuals, and then based on the general consensus, pass this on to Christian for his opinion, and then make a decision. Voting is done in the Core Group, so why not here? Everyone would be free to express their opinions, and then when this is complete, a decision would be reached.... Anyway...something to think about. Regards Scott | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 06-2006 |
I am shocked to hear that Scott of all people even asked us if it would be better if the forum should be shut down! Scott I think if you can't handle doing your position here (which I think u are doing a great job anyway) or if your in that frame of mind regarding the future of this forum, better if someone else did your job. e.g Markc was doing great in helping with mod job before. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 01-2006 |
"Tony ; Many words say nothing and less , says much . Mark" Better to seek for Truth without Emotions | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 610 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Scott, (et al), Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Why not take a leaf from Arahat Athersata, which keeps an eye on the time, so to speak? (Arahat Athersata being Sanskrit for “The Precious One Who Contemplates the Time”) Billy was recently asked whether he knew who here on this forum represented “The Fallible Ones” ordained by the ancient codex. I think he said, “I don’t know, but Arahat Athersata does.” Page 24, below, is the leaf to which I refer. (from: www.gaiaguys.net/stronggovernweak.htm) I hope you can draw inspiration from those timeless words of wisdom, and that it dovetails with your logical deductions from the information recently made available to you, so you can assume the full responsibility which your role as sole moderator, team captain, head cook, etc. grants you. :-) Salome, Dyson 47. Die Naturgesetze aber lehren, dass der Schwache sich dem Starken unterordnet und dem Starken und Begabten und mit gewissen Fähigkeiten Ausgestatteten folgt. 47. But the law of nature teaches that the weak are subordinate to the strong, and follow the strong and gifted and those equipped with certain capabilities. 48. Dem Stärkeren wird dadurch automatisch nach natürlicher Ordnung das Recht eingeräumt, dem weniger Fähigen voranzugehen, ihm den Weg in jeder Beziehung zu ebnen, ihn zu belehren und zu schützen. 48. The stronger would thereby automatically be granted the right, according to the natural order, to go on ahead of the less capable, to smooth the way for him in every respect and to teach and protect him. 49. Dies ist das Gesetz der Natur, gegeben aus der Schöpfung als eherne Ordnung. 49. This is nature’s law, provided by Creation as ironclad order. 50. Ein Gesetz, das nicht nur auf eurer Erde seine Gültigkeit hat, sondern im gesamten Universum sein Recht findet. 50. A law which not only has its validity on your Earth, but administers the entire universe. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 486 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Dyson Ah Haaaaaaaaaaa! The picture has become much clearer. Gees wouldn't it save tonnes of hours if we could actually read each others minds although you'll have to keep it safely locked up on most occasions :-). Just as I'd suspected, there is more to it than meets the eye, now I realise why what to me was an overreaction on your part, in this context actually warranted such a reaction. Look Dyson more respect to you for at least being the decent human being who've refrained from lowering yourself by sprouting off to cover yourself from criticism by revealing private conversations which could have been damning for the person in question. Creation knows what other sordid details you, in respect of the person in question, are keeping your tongue tightly tied about and its none of my business. But being the human beings with our own mistakes, I can only feel sympathy for the person in question's lack of judgement and decency but also serve to remind that forgiveness shall be the work of us humans, so I dare say, the person in question deserves our benefit of doubt which has already been shown by you Dyson. I gather that this is one of those serendipitous moments where striking poignancy of such recognition is made all the more revealing when certain details have been withheld especially for the right reasons which becomes apparent when that finally piece has been restored to give it that jolt of realisation. I would surmise that this discussion hasn't wholly evolved around the person in question but it certainly set off the impetus that has greatly aided the overall evolution of it where many stones have been turned upside down. Its inevitably a fact about the nature of any discourse is that it takes on the analogy of driving in the dark with just the headlights turned on in the remote outback. The only thing you can see is the extent of what is shone by your own headlights, as you drive on, more terrain would have been illuminated thus giving you more knowledge of its detail but you are still in the dark about what lies ahead. But no matter whether you have been given the exact map of the area, unless you drive the place and see with your two eyes, feel with your own senses and confront the landscape yourself, you will never know. So I gather that it is in this context that highlights how important clarification is to ward off any misunderstanding which may ensue from different views illumined by different sets of headlights of the different terrain all thinking that they have the most accurate description of the landscape not realising that the illumined view of the landscape seen by others is just as real. Anyhow from this I've come away 9 course meal full and bloated,I just hope I can digest it all and turn it into my flesh and blood. Thanks to you Dyson (& Vivienne), Scott, Mark, Randy, Hector, Shawn, Thomas, Alan, Jakes, Leann, Bianca, Tony, Adam, vestri, Matt (not me), Edward, James, fedor and others I haven't mentioned. Many iron chefs and many meals to go :-) cheers Matt | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 613 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear fellow FIGU friends! I feel like my conscience is finally clear, due to the fact that I finally made a clean breast here of the Randy Arena scandal. I know now that I should not have let my revulsion about this treachery keep me from exposing it here as soon as I found out about it. But, like probably most humans here, I was raised in a polite lower-middle class judeo-christian culture where if someone did something wrong, it was generally considered best to look the other way (turn the other cheek) and diplomatically try to just pretend that nothing had happened. Now add to that the renewed teachings that if your “neighbor” offends against truth and order, that he should be approached privately so he is not shamed in front of others by a non-private rebuke. But, in the current copy of Stimme der Wassermannzeit, Billy taught, as I already mentioned here, that when a group member offends against the group, a rebuke must be done in front of the entire group, and I think it’s logical to understand that this would preclude rumor-mongering and divisive factionalism. I never thought of that. I still have a lot of learning to do about where my wrong responses come from and why. I was not wise enough to just accept the confusion that I’d actually (unwittingly, due to too much faith) created. Anyway, I’m glad it’s finally out in the open and I apologize for not making that happen a long time ago. When that business with Wendelle Stevens happened, I wanted to openly name the perpetrator here, then and there, but my friend talked me out of it. Not her fault. It was my ignorance at that time about how to appropriately deal with things like this. Live and learn. Anyway, onward and upward. I typed out a long-winded reply (which I decided not to post) to a lot of the questions and concerns over on the “Pleiadians/Plejarens” thread, but Vivienne’s constantly-changing upcoming article and accompanying translations from various of Billy’s books should answer a lot of questions and confusions that that article we just translated must have caused. The link didn't work because I gave you the wrong one by accident. Sorry. It’s http://www.gaiaguys.net/meier.sww.kritikundkritik.htm Let me just say that nowhere in the teachings does it say that we all have to become numb, like Mr. Spock on Star Trek. This is how it works: just don’t let emotions cloud your logical though processes. Simple. It does not mean that we should not feel, or that we should not express what we feel. It only means that what we DO should be motivated by love/wisdom, (achieved through knowledge, achieved through logic, unclouded with emotions) not just hot-headed anger, desire, and so on. I read something in one of the older bulletins from K49 member Bernadette Brandt about what Billy is like around the centre, and she described something like him being just like everybody’s beloved grandpa who’s always there with a loving word of advice or encouragement, but sometimes the center rattles with his bellowing rebukes. Since a lot of the teachings make the point that vengeance, reprisals, grudges, score-settling, etc., are what’s wrong with this planet, and true humans never even consider such barbarism, there is very little mention of forgiveness, because there’s little need to stress it, since it is implied, once a matter is no longer outstanding. Christians have inflated the concept of forgivness to the point where pedophile priests are seen to have atoned and are utterly forgiven again and again and again as the slate is cleaned again and again and again, as they’re transferred from one parish to another to another, when that only prolongs the agony. It’s a variety of what the P’s call false humanitarianism. The renewed teachings have no tolerance for that sort of thing, and punishment must be. http://www.figu.org/us/spiritual_teaching/punishment_must_be.htm There are still some more things underway to do with the most recent forum commotion. But as I said, context is important so we can’t provide everything at once, and the first stuff requires subsequent stuff in order to make proper sense of it, but we are doing as much as we can to deliver this package of info, so don’t worry and please be patient. I like the headlights-in-the-bush analogy, but the OM excerpt here: www.gaiaguys.net/meier.truth.htm suggests that the light of reason and wisdom can effectively illuminate even the most distant surroundings in a way that the brightest headlights can’t. In the bush, when the moon is big and full, you can practically turn your lights off, and travel by the light of the moon. And you hit less wildlife. I hope you like the most recent bit from OM @ www.gaiaguys.net/meier.OM354-355.htm Cheers! Dyson | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 203 Registered: 03-2004 |
I have a kind word to say, if I may. Although I do not bow to the opinions of anyone rather than thinking for myself, I do want to reiterate that I appreciate Dyson and Vivian (hope I spelled her name correctly) in their work. Quite honestly, if I mastered German, I would do what they do in posting their translations, but unfortunately, I am not that far yet. So it is with honest sentiment, without putting them on a pedestal, that I say thank you to them both. My comments may seem combative to some at times, but honestly, I just speak what is on my mind and that can be a little abrupt I suppose. I do not agree with some of the interpretations of the material that people sometimes post here, including Dyson at times, but I do respect that everyone has their own opinion and is learning at their own pace. Think once again of Billy when he went with Asket down under the Giza pyramid and saw the false cross of "Jesus." He had been exposed to the direct teachings of Sfath and Asket for nearly his entire life up to that point, yet Asket found that Billy himself had doubts at the moment he saw the false crucifixion utensils. I think that shows, that if Billy Meier is who he says he is, then we too should be given our own right to have doubt as we search for the truth. After all, even though he is just a man like us, Billy has had far more experience and real knowledge than all the rest of us on this planet. So in closing, I just want to say that I have no hard feelings toward anyone that disagrees with me on this forum. I just hope that when I post a contradictory response toward someone else's post in the future (if I do), that it won't be taken as an assalt. All I ask is that noone puts words into my mouth, and that they quote me correctly if they refer to something that I said. Thanks everyone and have a great day! Thomas | ||
The_future Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2007 |
The Randy Arena scandal/treachery. Exactly what was that, and was he removed from the board as a result? Just asking in case I come across some of his posts in the archives. It would provide a little background to help while ferreting out the truth. Thanks. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 490 Registered: 07-2005 |
Yeah Dyson, how true To use another analogy, an experiment was done using a frog which was kept in a jar with the lid on for a duration of time and during the early phase of confinement the frog naturally try to reach as high as it could but to no avail since the tight lid was stopping it from escaping. After awhile the experimenters opened the lid to discover that the frog seized trying to escape as it has been conditioned not to. I think the life of most of us here can be explained with the OM verse. Those of us fortunate ones who are trying even without knowing it through the process of studying the spiritual truths and trying to become and apply it in our daily lives, is giving expression to an attempt at unshackling ourselves towards true freedom which we have been so deeply confined and so emersed in the thick of things that we have forgotten our ability to see and to differentiate what true being really is. Creation knows, what, of all the other people out there that are groping their way through the maze without a guide nor knowing the right direction. Anyway Dyson I had to tell it Reading your post above, a rush of sudden overwhelming sadness had consumed me to the brink of tears for some reason. Even as a fully grown man myself who is several years shy of the end of the 5th stage of the 7 year cycle, I could not help but be moved by this inexplicable emotion arising from seeing the pure childlike innocence in a 57 year old man poignantly and quite symbolically standing tall in the backdrop of the vile injustices and the sheer brutal nature of the unforgiving cruel judgement that strikes at the those who are righteous, dignified, kindhearted, decent, honourable,loving and moralistic and wise. As I was holding back the tears which as a man keeping with the tradition of maintaining the dignified self composure, albeit forced, I am thinking to myself will we truly understand. I am glad you are here mate and I say this from the bottom of my heart. Thanks for the translation D&V Oh BTW, it has occurred to me how 50% empty I feel not having spoken directly with your other precious half who more than deserves at least the due recognition of the tremendous work she does which often goes unappreciated. How could this be that we benefit so much from her work yet never really got the chance to say thanks directly in first person. Will you convince Vivienne to at least make her presence felt to the group albeit briefly. cheers Matt | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 616 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, -Thank you so much for your touching kindness, Matt. It's entirely my pleasure. It is "the yoke that does not burden". (You do heap it with a shovel at times!) Vivienne is doing the last of the formatting on her latest article and tells me she hopes to write a short introduction to it here for all of you very soon. She's the real brains of the outfit. I'm just the muscle. ;-) - Don't mention it, Thomas, and thank you for your kind words. We’re all in the same small boat on the same troubled voyage in calm weather, so we might as well all pull together, but the resistance is necessary. The upcoming article and quotes expands on this. - Dear The, it would be best for you just to read through the last few days posting about this to inform yourself. As I wrote @ http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/6450.html#POST22241 From Billy, May 1st, 1989: “Auch auf die Erdenmenschen trifft das zu, denn würde ihnen alles Wissen einfach wie Futter hingeschmissen und von ihnen gedankenlos und ohne Verarbeitung gefuttert, dann würde es keinen eigentlichen Erfolg bringen, sondern nur ein gewisses Schulwissen, während der Rest unverdaut als Exkremente wieder ausgeschieden würde.“ (It is also applicable to the Earth humans, because if all knowledge was simply tossed out to them like feed and they fed on it thoughtlessly and without processing, then it would bring no proper success, but rather only a certain school-knowledge, while the undigested remainder would be secreted as excrement again.) ”Mit anderen Worten: Es würde alles unverdaut vergessen und wäre also völlig nutzlos.“ (In other words: Everything undigested, it would be forgotten, and would therefore be completely useless.) www.gaiaguys.net/meierv5p468.htm http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/5465.html#POST15076 may also me helpful to you, Mr. Future. Salome, Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 618 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Matt and other list friends, Hello! Finally a word from me, Vivienne. Thanks for all your friendly words of encouragement. Of course, Dyson and I wouldn't be able to do our bit in sharing this information if it wasn't for the endless hard work of all those FIGU people who publish the German language books and bulletins in the first place. It has also been important to have the various comments from you list people as a guide to what we need to do. Also, Michael's great efforts with the main evidence and prophecies means that we don't need to put our attention there so much. So, many people contribute to this process. Don't forget about Jim. And the Steelmark books too. We actually would prefer it if we didn't have to make ourselves known in this work. But then the need is there to take responsibility for whatever it is we do. Anyway the point is, we feel it is our responsibility (as well as our joy) so please don't feel you need to thank us. (But I appreciate it). I'm sorry I haven't been here to say hello before but there just doesn't seem to be time, especially when Dyson is contributing. I'm also trying to improve my knowledge and my German ability as thoroughly as I can. I feel like I've been doing on-the-job training as an apprentice. (Hmmm...and I am not the brains of the operation! I'M the muscle! ;-)) Well, I still have a lot of work to do ... hopefully I'll make some opportunities to contribute more when I'm more organised. Hope the article helps. www.gaiaguys.net/loveisnotallyouneed.htm Love, Vivienne | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 220 Registered: 04-2006 |
Dyson, Vivienne, thank you both for making the Meier material more accessible to the english speaking community. I really like Vivienne's explanations and comments.Proves she has a great understanding not only of the german language, but also of the spiritual/figu contents. In these times we live in the prophet's teachings are commonly rejected, not only because they are delivered in harsh words, but also because they demand sacrifices, pain and the hard way, something which is taboo today, in our society of material pleasures and hedonism.Then there is the lack of understanding of spiritual matters of the average reader, who needs the use of explanations/ simplifications in order to gain understanding, just like Jmmanuel needed the use of parables in order to improve the disciples' spiritual cognitions. A good interpretation/comment/parable of the Meier teachings can draw the spiritual seeker's attention.A bad interpretation of them(this is what Dyson crusade tries to hinder) can lead to false teachings, manipulations, new age religions. This time, if we all join efforts, truth will prevail.As of 2007, limited to very small circles, but prevailing. Saalome | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 491 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Vivienne It's an honour to finally write to you in person Vivienne and I justed wanted to say thank you for your enormous contributions that helped so many of us here especially myself. It was due to your article that I had gained renewed interest that had drawn me here in the first place and a whole new world had opened up for me like never before. So much has changed for the better since then and I am certain that without your article I would still be doing moon walks perpetually going backwards. I gather that in your genuine modesty, you'll attribute all the good things to all those wise FIGU teachers that came before us who we should rightly thank and be appreciative of and I sincerely do but just as our planet revolves around the sun, where would our moon revolve around without the earth. I hope to one day follow your and Dyson lead and contribute much much more to the mission which you guys have exemplarily set. In the mean time I have soooooooo much to learn. I am looking forward to more exchanges in the future where your presence can be felt more often if time permits. Your resent article epitomises just how enormously wise the spiritual messages are that strikes at the core of our being but it also takes a very intelligent and wise person to put all the infinitely complex teachings together into such a comprehensive format for the would be student to understand. Much appreciated and you guys are a formidable duality in perfect unity or so I think anyway :-) kind regards Matt | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 627 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, Very well put, Hector, and thank you for your kind words. I see this list as being like a small but very vigorous sapling being bent in the foul wind of ancient error, and I do NOT want to try to straighten it before it gets any bigger. I grow trees here, so I know how it works. Dear Matt, I'm sure Vivienne will be encouraged by your kind thoughts. I appreciate it too, but it is not my motivation. I was happy to hear of your plans, and where there's a will there is a way. Vivienne is unique, and a person of many talents. She also wrote a (free, of course) ebook, www.gaiaguys.net/Dobbing_Stones_Link.htm and writes and performs (with me) music. www.gaiaguys.net/music.htm We form a powerful and fateful synergy. Lucky me! Incidentally, we just discovered that her name has been inexplicably dropped from our May religious-hate-site (against the satanists) trials in Melbourne, so even if I go to prison, she can keep the site cooking along. :-/ It's squaring up as Aquarius -v- Horus! (!!!) Cheers! Dyson | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 90 Registered: 02-2006 |
Well said Thomas, I fully agree with everything you just said there! I've changed my mind about you, Thomas. You are not a trouble maker like I had originally thought/assumed you were. I jumped the gun there, and looking back now, I feel that you were the one that was right (out of us two) in labeling me the trouble maker in that little blue we both had earlier here.  I apologize for that, and also like to take back those couple of negative things I said about you earlier here in this thread too. Your alright by me dude! Hello Vivienne, it sure is certainly nice and great to finally hear from you here in person after hearing so much about you in past threads from Dyson! I sincerely hope everything is going fine and great with you! I very much look forward to hearing a lot more of you in future here at this forum too! | ||
Mikaelmetso New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2007 |
Jakes, I wasn't very active on this forum after I felt the change in the atmosphere, so to speak. In addition, I've had some personal problems to take care of. FIGU and related matters always "lure" me back to them, however, which is only good. Greetings, Mikael Metso | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 205 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thank you Vestri...I appreciate that. Have a great day everyone! Thomas | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Mikael, I think I know what you mean by "change in atmosphere", but I won't say any more. Peace and best regards. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 230 Registered: 04-2003 |
Others might call it a chilling effect. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 650 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Jo_jo, 512. Die einzigen Gutgesinnten für die Propheten und sonstigen Wahrheitslehre- und Wahrheitsverkünder sind seit alters her nur jene Menschen, die der Wahrheit offen zugetan und für die dargebrachte Wahrheitslehre dankbar sind. 512. The only people well disposed towards the prophets and other truth teachers and truth announcers are, since time immemorial, only those people who are openly devoted to the truth and thankful for the delivered teachings of the truth. www.gaiaguys.net/meierv6p379.htm This universal truth has been borne out recently here on this forum. Have you read any of the translations we’ve done for you recently? If so, which ones? Did you agree with anything in them? If so what? What are your opinions about these teachings? Please don’t be shy. I wondered when you would surface again. I read in OM last night that - all there is is Creation and Creation is the truth, so all there is is truth. (And the truth must be delivered harshly.) From And Yet They Fly, “It must be clear that the truth always sounds hard to a person who finds it annoying and even offensive, so that they feel personally attacked. It also sounds hard because the mirror of their own faultiness and shortcomings is often held before their very noses, although they assess themselves as being almost faultless.” Salome, Dyson | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 231 Registered: 04-2003 |
Dyson, What ever would make you feel like I was referring to you? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 656 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Jo_jo, Your write, "What ever would make you feel like I was referring to you?" In spite of your sarcastic tone, I’ll take your question at face value. Then you could return the favor, please. It is in the context of your hostile attitude towards the truth and your snide, to very open, duplicitous personal attacks and veiled insinuations of the past towards things you didn't like or agree with here which I offered as translations, interpretations or informed opinions. You also have a bad habit of putting words in people’s mouths and operating in close tandem with Jakes – in this instance – you both jointly insinuate that Mikael left the discussion board because of my presence, which by inference, he must then find offensive. You also have a bad habit of publicly misquoting me in order to twist the truth, and I did not say the below quote on the FIGU list, nor that Russia was going to attack the USA, nor that I "'knew' there were five successful moon landings prior to the Apollo 11 hoax." ("Then I guess you didn’t 'know' after all." you tell me.) etc. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/6090.html#POST20181 More on this topic: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/2784.html#POST21498 Here’s what I mean: ----------------------- Username: Jo_jo Post Number: 146 Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 09:35 am: Dyson, I don’t think you will find any rational person that finds it “self-evident” that your pictures are of scalar manipulation of the skies. What makes you say it’s scalar? Because Bearden does? HOW DO YOU KNOW? Dyson, my eyes are open, and I see very clearly. What I see is a picture of paranoid delusion. That’s a mental disease, and it’s contagious. Please stop spreading it around. ------------------------------------------- Remarks like that, Jo_jo, regarding Ptaah’s information @ www.gaiaguys.net/meierv8p447-8.htm 74. "Die in den USA wütende Feuerwalze in bezug der brennenden Wälder, die du ansprichst, entspricht tatsächlich den Aussagen der Prophetien, doch stellen sie nur einen Teil davon dar, denn in fernerer Zeit wird noch ein sehr viel schlimmeres Feuer wüten, das sich dahin quer durch die Vereinigten Staaten bewegt und auf kriegerischen Ursprung zurückführt." (The raging rolling fire in the USA in regard to the burning forests you have mentioned, corresponds, as a matter of fact, to the statements of the prophecies, yet they establish only a part of that there, because, in the more distant time, a still much worse fire will rage, that will move there across the United States and leads back to an origin of an act of war.) Now will you reply to the respectful questions I put to you, please? And one more, if I may … why exactly are you here? If you were NOT referring to the recent period of your silence when I eventually revealed Randy's treachery, as you insinualted, to what exactly WERE you referring, when Jakes said "I think I know what you mean by change in atmosphere, but I won't say any more" and you chimed in, "Others might call it a chilling effect."? Salome, Dyson | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 232 Registered: 04-2003 |
Dyson, There is no corroboration in the FIGU material that so-called "scalar-weapons" will cause the fires mentioned in Ptaah's statement. Billy has been asked about the existence of scalar weapons and doesn't know what they are. It is very clear to me what you are doing on a multiplicity of facets, and I choose not to engage you any further. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 661 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Jo_Jo, Billy also said he didn't know what the Disclosure Project was. As it is written in The Book of Truth: OM 32:1430, "Kein Antwort ist eine klare Antwort" (No answer is a clear answer.) Now how about you choose to disengage completely? Salome, Dyson | ||
Mikaelmetso Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2007 |
Hello, I only need to say here that Dyson (Gaiaguysnet) never was the reason why I left this board. Salome, Mikael Metso | ||
Ascendant New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2007 |
I honestly don't know where its possible, I thought I saw somewhere before, but where would I go if I wanted to pose questions to Billy? Thanks | ||
Kiwiseeker Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 08-2006 |
Dear Ascendant, You are not far away from the section to post questions to Billy. Go back to "The Mission", clik on "Billy Eduard Albert Meier-Billy does not read the English Forum" and you will see what you are after. But you will have to wait until this section is open again, as I am doing; be patient. Regards, Charles. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1173 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, In the questions to Billy section someone asked about the Baawi ET's being a dwarf race, but Billy's response was they stand approximately 2.3 meters high. I asked Christian about this, and received this response today: Hi Scott, Billy said (yesterday) that the Baawi are indeed a race of rather tall human beings (some even reaching 2.5 metres). However, there is a dwarf race working with them / among them. Salome, Christian So I hope that clears up any misunderstanding. Scott | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 754 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thanks Scott & Christian, So presumably all those references to the Baavi/Baawi being small people in the contact notes and the TJ are not referring to the native Baavians, but their dwarf guest-workers? Or did they say, "The people from the planet Baavi" and I just jumped to the conclusion that they were the Baavi? Can we please learn more about these small non-Baavi people? Salome, Dyson | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1130 Registered: 02-2000 |
Dyson, You may need to ask Billy in the next round of questions. My Website | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 252 Registered: 04-2006 |
It was me who asked for that inconsistency to be solved, and well now i get a more satisfying picture of both Baawis and their dwarf friends. It seems to me that the contacts do not limit to the Plejaren only, and other races have been joining efforts here on Earth trying to help this terran mankind. Lets see if we get more details about them in the future.If not, we will always take for granted that the Baawis write great Sci-Fi novels...! | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 208 Registered: 10-2005 |
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Dave New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2007 |
Dear All I trust that everyone is very well. Having come across the FIGU some weeks back now, i am really enjoying myself going through all the questions and answers and through the rest of the dissussion area's. The Bulletins are very good and there is a great deal of information not only on this website but Micheal Horns and Giaguys websites which i constantly (on a daily basis) go through and i must say that i sincerely appreciate the hard work of the translations that you people do so that i and others like me can read, i have to admit though i find some of it or being honest most of it very hard to understand.(this i think is because i have never encountered anything like this and have got to "get my head" around it). I have a friend who you could say is a "bit of a UFO buff"- goes on about area 51,Alien abductions and the like,but had never heard of Billy Meier. He was saying that he had seen a UFO ,it was night time and it looked like a star but suddenly moved violently out of eyesight. I told him i had seen several photo,s in the day light all close ups then shown him the Billy Meier website,since then he hasn't said a word apart from they are fakes and procceded to tell me what "proper Aliens" look like and what they are doing and so on and so on, infact he wasn't intrested at all in Billy Meier's contacts. His reaction to be honest didn't suprise me for some reason. Throughout my small journey to date i have seen websites that claim that they are like Billy Meiers by claiming they are contacted and they channel there minds but they change some of the truths and facts to suit themselves,most likely from the people i have already mentioned. Other serious websites dealing with ET,s don't even mention Billy Meier which again doen't suprise me. As a "Truthseeker" as Billy suggests i am, i have learn't a great deal already and i know that i have a great future,learning more on creation,more on my future,more on humankind and more importanly more on myself. I thankyou all for your questions,comments,translations,advise and friendship. Best wishes to you all Dave | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 215 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Forum, Please forgive me for entering the last image (see above)created from the two page article called The Zeta Reticuli incident. It was written about a third grade teacher finding information about the Betty and Barney Hill case. It was meant to be in reference to a question about other life forms visiting earth. Apparently the Betty and Barney Hill case was not an authorized examination contact. Please excuse me for this mistake which may have caused others to be offended. Sincerely, Randy Arena | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 233 Registered: 03-2003 |
I wouldn't take it personally, myself I thought it was an image from a Sci-Fi movie. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 218 Registered: 10-2005 |
Thanks James, I don't take it personally. When they call me an idiot or imply stupidity because of it, that can be harmful. Every one makes mistakes and none of us humans are perfect. No one has the right to impart evil on another. Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Ancient Lyrian coded to Earth peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 08-2006 |
Dear Rarena, I have not read anything that you've posted that should warrant the response that has been generated against you. Considering how much has been written, retracted and written again it isn't hard to see why so must is misunderstood. I do not feel any evildoing on your part. As far as Dyson is concerned, he also has written false information according to Billy and no one here seems to hit him over the head with it. We are all just trying to learn and interact with others finding their way here. Some of you have been way out of line in your attacks and Billy would be very disappointed to read what's been written. Do I need to post a reference to that or does anyone else agree that some things need not be referenced as to how would I know that Billy would be disappointed. Come on people, lighten up and be happy we are still here to share this info, even if all of it isn't 100% confirmed. If anyone feels they should crucify me for my thoughts on this,,,go ahead, I'll be your huckleberry,,,lol. Saalome to all, and I truly mean it. Leann | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 10-2006 |
Leann, I second your opinion. I find it disappointing that this forum of all places would have members disparaging a fellow member the way that’s been done to Randy Arena. I too find nothing nefarious in anything he has posted. It’s like in the animal kingdom when the alpha-dog has attacked a “weaker” member of the pack, the rest of the pack just descend and devour. Are we not more than animals? And I do not feel Randy Arena is weaker than any of us, just used it for the analogy. No offense intended. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 307 Registered: 01-2004 |
hello lean, i agree with what you wrote... in my opinion,,, maybe randy is a schemer, or maybe not, but i do know a lot of people stand behind dyson like elvis fans to the so called king of rock n roll. you are right, dyson does speak false info... he has countless times mentioned the bafath impulses affecting these or those people... and lo and behold billy's latest answer about bafath impulses. i think some people take things too seriously and it causes them stress and anger. imagine feeling that you have to prove or convince every person of every little thing and nit pick all around, on a semi day to day basis, that would be nerve wrecking, and all self inflicted, not inflicted by randy arena or anyone etc. i've noticed over the short amount of years i participated at this forum, that there developed a kind of guard dog with no master, the hounds just walked up to the gates and started growling. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 256 Registered: 04-2006 |
The Rarena scandal has to do with the importance many forum members give to this english forum.Seems like many here think the destiny of mankind relies heavily on the information posted in these threads. Of course that is plain wrong.This forum is a tool at the disposal of any truthseeker, but it is/ it wont be no miracolous thing. I too will not support public lynching of ANY forum member.Lynching no, advocating & teaching yes. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 254 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Peter, I would say to have such a backing as large as Elvis' is not necessarily a terrible thing. Quality of who listens to what you say speaks volumes. Dyson makes mistakes, as do I, as does Randy. This will never be a qualifier of whether someone is worth listening to or not. It can be an early sign that one must be diligent in their use of information from a person making consistent errors in regards to what we seek here. In this sense, I always deciphered the practical use of the corrective method being used by Dyson towards other members posting, as maintaining AS CLOSE TO THE TRANSLATION as we currently are able to do, as logical. If you are agreeing with Leann as you say you do, and Leann is agreeing with Randy regarding his being " imparted with evil ", I must be out of the loop on what transpired here across several different threads. I've read very many of Randy's posts that were being presented(my opinion) as mirror reflections of Billy's information in the respect of his mission. I myself could sense that aspects of it were off centered, or wrongly worded, but I felt I wasn't learned enough to push my way to the front of the crowd and proclaim that Randy had erred or misquoted. Truly, what Randy does here and what Dyson did here, both are not easy paths to render. Each carries a certain level of ego, some healthy, some not. But the comparison should end there. The heavy load taken by a bringer of the truth will be felt by both Dyson and Randy, but lets get serious with our logical and hard fought critical thinking. If we had to choose, the choice would be obvious. Unfortunately we don't get that luxury. If suddenly we had lost all contact with Billy and the truth he brings again to mankind for the last time, were are told, who would you rather turn to in helping preserve as much of the teachings as possible, Randy or Dyson? You see all this taking sides has reason and is a part of life, but we must learn to see clearly with our positions and our desire for the real truth. If you picked the person of less knowledge and experience, the reality of cause and effect will prevail for you in this area. We're all going to the same point in the future, but some people will learn and become that which we are going to become sooner than others, though neither will be any greater than the other. They will just be in a greater/lessor position to help others in the corrected way that the Mission teaches. The idea that evil is being imparted on another stands completely by itself and needs no other explanation than,.....huh? The diversion of this discourse regarding "evil", is what I point to as being a very strange aberration of what normally can, and should be, an easily handled communication by intelligent adults. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 234 Registered: 03-2003 |
Just a comment with some thoughts on all this. Ever since I had my own conflict with Dyson last year, I too was going to leave the FIGU forum for good, however, truth be said I eventually realized I could not bring myself to do it, because of the potential truth that Billy and FIGU still presents. But not only do I see ithem as truth, but I also see it as the most reliable source of info that I've ever read. Even when Billy once commented on me at my request, I noticed that Billy can talk from a good neutral-non personal stand point, and it's a shame if other people take Billy's comments rather personally if it wasn't intended to be as such. From my observation, Dyson has been known in the past to be a somewhat justified loose cannon at times regarding a disagreement or an error that I or other people have made, however, I think we can all admit that he was the best person in doing these translations from German to English and unlike most other people doing translations, he was willing to share it openly with the rest of us, if no the world. However, that does not mean he should act like the kid on the block who has the game ball, like as if saying, "If you don't play the game by my rules them I'm taking my ball home", and unfortunately when it came to Dyson, it was hard to have a simple contrary opinion should he disagree, whether being right or wrong, where in either case such intolerance was shown in both the PAR forum and now again here in the FIGU forum. But that is just my hear say, because as far as Dyson goes, I have already stated last year that my differences with him will not continue and is not worth any further argument when I myself have much better things to do and when he could be focused more on doing translations for a planet in dire need. As everyone can tell, this Earth is still in one piece since last November and hopefully will continue to be so. Since last year I've decided that I'd avoid any further future arguments with anyone from that time on if I can help it and not just with Dyson. I'd admit, I now don't nearly feel as motivated to post here or on any forum as I once did, as a result, and Dyson since has since respected my space when I have posted here. If he now chooses to leave, OK that is his choice, but let us hope he continues with his webs site and translations and that's all the fine with me. BTW, Billy Meier is right when he says the "Protocols of Zion" is NOT any where close to the truth. Therefore I would have to agree with him, not because he says so, or because I disagree with Dyson, but because I did my own research and came to the same conclusion as Billy. Peace in being, James Truthseeker | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 148 Registered: 01-2006 |
"However, that does not mean he should act like the kid on the block who has the game ball, like as if saying, "If you don't play the game by my rules them I'm taking my ball home" Hey James, from what I hear the reason(s) was why Dyson decided to leave had to with time, and with unresearched people wasting his valuable time by posting and asking him series simple questions which they can easily find out through this website. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 564 Registered: 07-2005 |
To forum members Woe to those forum members who haven't recognised the gratitude to which you are indebted to D&V for their countless sleepless nights toiling away to bring more of Billy's teachings to us ignorant English speakers out of the sense of their own self imposed obligation. Woe to you for this shameless act of a thankless and disloyal send off. You people have a funny way of saying thank you. We are here foremost thanks to the back breaking sacrifices Billy and his supporters made. If not one article was ever translated by D&V and if Dyson with his superior knowledge and wisdom did not make himself available to us all, the inevitable conclusion is that we would be much worse off in our comprehension of Billy's teachings. Yet who among us here have not benefitted from D&V's insights, their translations, Dyson's participation here and their knowledge. Just to refresh the memories of those who partook in the dialogue in March that led to Vivienne's article 'Love is not all you need'. For whence do you think this article came about? What do you think was the reason for it which led to this article so graciously put together by Vivienne? Have you people already forgotten the circumstances leading up to it? We mankind steeped in our tendencies of slimy humility and comporting posturing have forgotten how to judge correctly hence the circumstantial opportunity presented out of the discussion which took place back in march led to this article for which Randy was inextricably involved with. So who do you think has judged falsely? Please members, lets not forget, peace, love, harmony and freedom cannot exist without the right knowledge, truth, logic, love, reverence, and respect, THE ABILITY TO JUDGE CORRECTLY and the wisdom of knowledge to enable us to follow the laws of Creation. Lets build on these highest values so that as more people work on themselves, the more we can effect positive changes to the world, it starts with one individual at a time. Members, please understand that although Dyson decided on his own volition to stop participating on this forum, in his absence he cannot defend himself, so lets stop the backbiting. cheers Matt | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 221 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Matt (Newinitiation), To me there is no them, there is only us. To me that is an attribute of unconditional Universal consciousness and love. Unconditional. True nobility is not being better than anyone else... Just being better than I used to be. Not... "I'm better and you're not..." just being better than I used to be. Have a few comments to you about judgement... please tell me if you agree: To judge, to create shame, to humiliate stems from a need to be somehow superior. Personally I gave up my need to be superior. Does finding fault in someone somehow make me better or higher than that person... really? The need to judge stems from the need to be right or to be superior. Judgeing correctly means not to judge so that I become superior. "You’re right about that …" I’ll tell ya, that just stops so many arguments you can’t believe it. Creation must be a kindly power. I deduce this from the opposite. If the all giving power of Creation had at it’s core the desire to be unkind or hurtful, then Creation itself would be impossible. Instead Creation has kind energy intending what it’s creating to flourish and grow and to be happy and fulfilled. Like growing plants in our garden. If we stomp on em are they going to flourish? Our existence is proof to me of the kindness of Creation therefore choosing to be kind is a choice to have the power of Creation active in your life. When you leave this energy behind and have an unkind thought you’ve left the field of Creation and you cannot now do what Creation does, which is create, manifest, heal... all of the things that we want for ourselves in our lives and even to be at peace. Just an unkind thought, a thought of judgment. A thought of judgment that you have toward another human being in anyway that is judgmental. It does not define the person you are judging, you call another person stupid, you call another person ignorant, you call another person distasteful, you call another person ugly, you call another person untalented… whatever it is… that you call in your mind as a judgment directed towards others… just the thought… does not define that person. You cannot define anyone on the basis of your unkind judgments. It doesn’t define them... it defines you as someone who needs to judge. Calling another person stupid does not make them stupid, calling another person ugly does not make them ugly… it defines you as someone who needs to do these things and also is someone who has left the field of Creation. And when you leave the field of Creation you take on all of those things that we call problems difficulties concerns and so on. Why does an unkind thought come from a container that I want to have representative of Creational energy. Why does an unkind thought emerge from there? Not… Why do I have an unkind thought… but how could it be that an unkind thought comes from a place of kindness, a place of perfection and you ask yourself that question and rather then being in a state of shame because of having an unkind thought, I instead say I intend to be living my life at peace. That I have that choice is a very important lesson taught by Billy. The thoughts that emanate from this container are only thoughts in harmony with creation. It’s always about strengthening that connection to Creation, our higher source... and anytime you are NOT in harmony with source is when these problems occur. It is going against Nature which is going to win every single time. Those who come CLOSE to a place of perfection as the Plejaren have… a sense of peace, kindness and respect emanate from them. Billy often commented about how it was so mellow being with the Plejaren that it was a shock coming back to Earth and meeting with all the accusatory and intimidating Earthmen. Peace, Randy | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 309 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey there kingman, good points, ofcourse i dont agree with everything leann says or thinks, but i do agree that randy is somewhat picked on (i guess you can expect all kinds of reactions in this forum) and that dyson has been and will be wrong again. for he is only human. as to the elvis thing, yes it's great to have so many people who are your friends or whatever they may be called. if billy suddenly had gone away i would choose myself, as i have chosen myself now and yesterday, as he is still alive. i think it's a mistake to think everyone here puts more confidence in billy (a man i have'nt met, all attempts struck down or ignored, someone who i cant say wether is totally honest or not et etc, the list goes on) then in themselves, and if you put more confidence in someones words than you do into your own will, that's a recipe for disaster. in my opinion. i dont know about all this evil stuff, i find it strange that anyone can call another evil, knowing a person who does something like mass murder or any other action that exhibits a lack of logic and compassion and reasoning is simply weak in will, and if being weak in will is evil, then you can consider most of human kind on earth a bunch of push overs. unless i totally mis understood the meaning of the word evil? because does'nt all wrong doing come from a lack of understanding? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1185 Registered: 12-1999 |
Please let's get back on topic | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 235 Registered: 03-2003 |
Thanks Tony for the heads up. Hey scott, if this topic area is Miscellaneous then exactly what Miscellaneous topic are we talking here? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1186 Registered: 12-1999 |
James, If you go back into the archives of this topic, you will see what I am talking about. Radio Interviews, public speaking engagements, new books, prophecies and how they pertain to the Mission currently...things like that. It seems many of the recent conversations have focused on one thing and one thing only, that the intent of this section has been lost in a sense. Regards Scott | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 238 Registered: 03-2003 |
Thanks Scott, I was thinking, even though this topic is a subtopic of the mission, if you can, you may want to re-categories the name Miscellaneous here into something more so that is reads like with the heading Miscellaneous Mission Activities, because I've often found in the past that it can be a little confusing to navigate myself through the topic tree to post under different miscellaneous topics that may appear to look somewhat related to the same thing. If you've noticed, this is not the only miscellaneous topic which falls under this category of Billy Meier and the mission. There is also this one. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/2013.html?1172962472 SO perhaps you can add to all the names of all miscellaneous topics by this means to make navigation here a little easier. Peace in being, James Truthseeker | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 565 Registered: 07-2005 |
To Randy Look Randy its best that we don't waste any more of this forum space. If you'd like to clarify things further then tell me your E-mail address and we'll sort it out, out the back. Matt | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 08-2006 |
Just one clarification, if you please, Scott. I want everyone to know that I am deeply grateful to D&V and in no way wanted him or anyone else to leave this forum. He is extremely wise and dedicated and deserves our utmost respect. I only point out that we are all human and will make mistakes and in no way should the rest of us attack the other for postings that do not appear malicious. I hope Dyson comes back, I for one already miss him, but he shouldn't feel he needs to correct every little thing here especially in light of new revelations each month. It's too much work for any one man to do. The rest of us should share the load and help when we can and live and learn. I appreciate all of your postings, right or wrong, because we are all here because of who we are and what that represents. Good day to all, Leann | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 495 Registered: 06-2000 |
Thanks Leann for your comment , I agree with everything you wrote . Kind Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 255 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Randy, Your post 221 describes the judgement of others in an encompassing negative scope. Part of Billy's Mission is to recognize a wrong living aspect and expose the errors of the people living it. Judgement, I would think, is probably one of the least understood facets Billy must deliver to humanity these days. Of course he upsets the feelings of many people and nations, but soft words are the same as untruthful ones. For each of us the challenge will be if were capable enough to comprehend a correct response to someone, or something, we witness operating in a unnatural way, and thus pointing out the fault while offering the natural, Creational way as a corrected choice. Who is truly qualified for this? We may agree or not, but if my opinion is only important to me in this respect, that fact would make me selfish and not in line with the Teachings/Mission. I do understand that both our ideas will always be part of the Teachings, but we both can't be right, or at least we may each be partially correct( if there is such a thing in a pure sense of the Mission ). Only being half right is better than being trapped in the dogma of our Earth humans ways and clearly being lost in societies fog of living But is that even worth our responding to a perceived incorrectness, that is, only being the half-right in our knowledge. It seems that this would not be altogether a true lasting value. Billy and his Mission are concerned with the proper language translations, and equally to any expounded info from within a single language re-wording. We are feeling the birth-pangs of the awkward grow cycle that is created as we step more into the spot life of truth. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 222 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Shawn, Not being an expert concerning the Mission of Billy Meier or the Plejaren... in general consider the source... also I may be wrong... this is only a discussion forum, no? IMHO incorrect judgement is a negative. Incorrect as to how or why it is used. If it is used ONLY for promoting the one making the judgements' superiority... it is incorrect, don't you agree? Using your best judgement in any situation is dealing with your OWN moral integrity, YOUR connection with the Creation. That is using your first thought from within. In other words it is thinking about one's self rather than the person you are trying to help. Which is a form of materialism. The mission is for everyone to evolve. Evolution does not occur very quickly when it is only one's self that is being considered. Or the effect another is having on the one making the judgement. My post was to promote peace using unconditional love. Before posting 221 I thought a long time about it... I sent it to two other fellow forum members who's judgement and knowledge of this subject are far superior to mine. Finally just using my first thought coupled with a dream I had the night before about a large wooden house in the attic. Am in agreement with us going through learning pains of an awkward nature but it is for the positive of all involved... the truth is harsh yet it does not have to be taught with intimidation or humiliation. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 566 Registered: 07-2005 |
To Randy Randy, like I said if you want to clarify things further give me your E-mail address and we'll try to sort things out without wasting more of this forum space. Matt | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 568 Registered: 07-2005 |
Oh by the way Randy Get a load of this http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv6p379.htm Matt | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Matt, It's like comparing apples and oranges. None of us have attained anywhere near the evolution of Mr. Meier. What's right for him and other true prophets (harsh speaking of the truth) is not necessarily right for us. I don't mean to offend anyone, but there's a lot of mistaken "truth" posted on this forum. And then to parrot it harshly just compounds the ridiculousness of the message. We all need a lot more introspection and searching for the real truth than to shout our supposed truth from the mountain top. Mr. Meier is the exception. Peace and best regards. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 569 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Jakes Well I don't know about you Jakes but speaking for myself, you get to an inevitable conclusion after much heart wrenching struggle and head twisting vexation in grappling with the kernel of truth within the erudite sentences and the composition of the eloquent but striking words of Billy's that the truth must be fought for very very very hard. This is the only way that we could conquer all manners of evil. For if the subjective experiences that fervently rings its melody within oneself in their right tone as one strives for the light at the end of the tunnel, One comes to realise that theory and practise go hand in hand and that only by applying the theory into practise thereby making it ones own flesh and blood can one honestly say that one has truly learnt the lessons. So how can one who has somewhat penetrated the thick crusty layer gathered like moss over the years through neglect contemplate sitting back 'laissez-faire' and expect positive changes to occur. Wouldn't this be like the high school kid expecting to breeze through his end of the year science exam by placing his science text book under his pillow every night and sleeping on it, thinking that by the miracles of osmosis, all knowledge inside the text book will seep through his head like sponge. As ridiculously irresponsible it would be for an indulgent parent to let their little kids play with matches and happily go about their business whilst the carpets in the living room is slowly smouldering in flames giving off toxic soup of deadly carcinogenic smoke, it would likewise be the same for a passerby who upon seeing a little kid kicking his football around in the middle of the busy street being blissfully unaware that a semi trailer is roaring towards him to rationalise to himself that the sole responsibility of the kid is nobody's business but the parent and goes on his way. Just as such situations requires the right judgement therefore the right actions, why shouldn't it apply here just because its cyberspace. I hope there really is real people behind these usernames or I am r e a l l y kidding myself. Although it doesn't take Billy's words to know what right from wrong is, nevertheless the societal norm and the atavistic beliefs in the sense of what right and wrong we have thus learnt through indoctrination is woefully inadequate and damaging. This is where Billy's & Co's teachings of truth augments, clarifies, rectifies, replaces and completes it. Now you may object by saying "You aren't Randy's parent" and yeah this is true but then, it doesn't take for someone to be someone else's parent in order to pass judgement, especially if the wrongs committed in Randy's case warrants such a judgement as they are very damaging to the mission as a whole. Verily, if we are to make some progress as individuals, we must transcend the fickle personality differences and our egoism. This includes not assuming unjustly that people like me are also guilty of it because I come across harsh and too self righteous without you guys actually knowing where I am coming from. Your allusions that for some reason I am a wannabe Billy parroting him is as woefully ignorant as it is unarguably false. Jakes please test your own logic to the situation and know why it is imperative that we must keep our stance firmly and hard for the truth, even if we have to make the harsh and unpopular judgements. Afterall this isn't some popularity contest nor is it some stupid game where each member is trying to outdo the other to prove how wise they are thereby getting some morbid kick out of it. Such silliness if it be the case does not belong in such a forum as this one. Seriously what did you get out of these articles? Have you honestly read them? Can you answer yes without guilty conscience that you have indeed read and understood them? Here it is www.gaiaguys.net/meier.sww.kritikundkritik.htm www.gaiaguys.net/loveisnotallyouneed.htm Check also in TJ about the spirit of judgement in chapter 7 verse 1-10, the error of your neighbour chapter 19 verse 14-22. PS:-These views are wholly my own and what is culled from my own studies of the teachings which is also subjected to error and amendment. If people want to add, minus, rectify, fix and disagree in any way, shape or form, they have every right to do so which I actually encourage within logic. cheers Matt | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 06-2007 |
I want to question to billy meier if he have pictures or at least drawing and description of the different extraterrestrial races that he know. I would like to know about hostile races and non-hostile races. Fo example what is the race that one time tried to conquest the galaxy?...according to the post of some peoples here in this forum I would like a constellation map that show the type of known races that inhabit the different constellation and in what planet and time/space configuration where they live. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1218 Registered: 12-1999 |
Incredible, How familiar are you with the Billy Meier material? Scott | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 06-2006 |
dear Incredible, whilst I am off researching your questions, can I bring you your slippers and the afternoon paper and maybe a drink to sip whilst you wait? :-) Robjna | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 06-2007 |
scott: well I have a book "and still they fly" and I read it. but I would like more information about the deferent races and the different constellations where they live. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1221 Registered: 12-1999 |
Incredible, There is some information in the contact notes regarding different races. You might try and check out www.theyfly.com. There are two CD's available (Message from the Pleiades 1 & 2) which are unauthorized translations, but contain conversations between Billy and the Plejarens. Regards Scott | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 03-2007 |
I'd like to know more about the black race. Plejarens say black people come from another planet but I think it's a lie, I think black race people are earthlings indigenous "eva" wich ancient Lyrans found sexually attractive. P's don't want to say that in order to avoid racist behaviour against black people. An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.REJUVANATION.COM | ||
James Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 07-2005 |
Franco, the Plejaren say almost all races on Earth are not native. Welcome to Earth! | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 236 Registered: 10-2005 |
It was my understanding the Black race is a more recent arrival on Earth. As to races, Parik brought up an intersting question at the SSSC meeting... What does a race consist of? It is more than just skin color, it may be environment or genetically determined or it may be a prejudgement. We as always... are responsible for our OWN actions. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 176 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello everyone, Lets move the discussion to for example... FIGU's Discussion Board » The Planet Earth » Races, Racism, and Rights Thanks and Salome, Badr | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 239 Registered: 10-2005 |
You betcha... thanks for providing a pathway. Am still new on this board. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1230 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, During the time when Billy was moving into his current location in Hinterschmidruti, there was much work that needed to be done, before he was able to move into the house. During the early phases of this cleanup the basement had to be pumped out. Apparently after this was done, Billy went down to inspect and noticed footprints in the mud. When these footprints were photographed and the images returned there was apparently an ET caught in the photo which wasn't visible during the time of the photograph. This quote was taken from magazine 2000 plus from Hans Georg Lanzendorfer (36), social pedagogue. "At the very beginning, just as we were taking possession of the farm, the basement was full of water which had to be pumped out. When the job was done, Billy walked down there to see whether everything had really dried. Shortly afterward he returned and said: “There are footprints down there!” Of course, I didn’t believe him and thought that it simply could be anything; but I decided to look for myself and even photographed the imprints. When I got the photos back from the store, one could see the head and neck of an extraterrestrial on one of the pictures." My question is, can anyone clearly define what would be considered the neck and head within this photo?  Thanks Scott | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 263 Registered: 07-2004 |
I can guess what they may of thought resembled a head and thus a neck. The black dot in the image of the ET would need to be the eye. From there you would assume a nose as the shorter offshoot to the left and the extreme upper protrusion maybe being a head mounted piece of equipment. I don't really see this as it is claimed. But it seems something along with the shoe print was captured in this image. Are these the same dwarf ET's that pictures of their lightship were photographed at Billy's farm sometime later. These were the photo's that the mediocre attempt at debunking Billy's case was attempted by the Paracast website mouthpieces. a friend in america Shawn | ||
James Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 07-2005 |
I thought this was a photograph of not only the head and neck but also the E.T.'s body and gear. Take a look at the And Still They Fly caption. To me it looks like it's facing the camera and holding an object(vacuum?) with its slender arms. Welcome to Earth! | ||
James Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 07-2005 |
Actually, when I look at the photo again I see that it's arms and shoulders are actually quite large. I think I mistook part of the arm for its back - like as if it was hunched over a little. Welcome to Earth! | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1231 Registered: 12-1999 |
Thanks, I can't make heads or tails of it...I'll have to study it further.. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 105 Registered: 02-2006 |
well at least we got shoe design up to date with our ET friends. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 288 Registered: 03-2004 |
One thing I read about this photo was that this race lives in the Plejares but is not the same race as what we know as the Plejarens, and also that they use a ribbon like material as part of there invisiblity technique. Supposedly this function was switched off just long enough for the film of the camera to register the ET's image. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 03-2007 |
I'm wondering if he's blocking his face with his arms as a reflex to the flash of the camera. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 03-2007 |
The photo is actually explained better in the book, And Still They Fly, page 102. What you are looking at is a helmet and shoulder piece. Bernadette Brand: "Somewhat to the left and above the center of the photo was the footprint in the cellar clay, and in the right lower corner was a somewhat blurred contour of a helmet, a type of antenna on top of the helmet, and a shoulder. <snip> Billy patiently explained that the ribbon like glimmer of the suit in the picture came from mirror-like strips in the dwarf's suit, which served the purpose of making him invisible." Billy went on to explain that that particular dwarf had made himself visible only during the exposure time needed to take the picture, and was 45-46 inches tall. Regards Bob | ||
James Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 07-2005 |
hmm, can anyone see the shoulder piece? And why does it talk about the glimmer of the suit when we're supposed to be looking at a helmet and part of a shoulder? Welcome to Earth! |
