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    Howard Member Post Number: 107 Registered: 05-2003 |
Astrology is now proven dead. Scientists have studied 2000 kids growing up, all with the same sign. Nobody, NOBODY had the same personal characteristics, even those who were borned at the exact time, and hundreds of astrologers had send their profile of the sign, I believe it was pisces, but nothing had been proven to be right. It was the historys most severly studied case on this subject. Now that means Billys information is FALSE! | |||
Anonymous Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 09-2003 |
When I was in my early twenties I used to study astrology for two reasons: the first was so that I could understand the characteristics of each sign, and the second was so that I could confirm, at least to myself, that there were facial similarities between two people born under the same sign. I remember I made a long list of famous people and categorized them according to their signs. I used to watch a lot of films in those days, and was familiar with many famous faces. But it wasn’t just actors and actresses that I was interested in. It was also writers and painters and musicians, and suchlike. I didn’t do much as far as studying goes. Whenever I discovered the sign of somebody famous I simply jotted down that person’s name under the appropriate category. But as I listed them I became convinced that there were facial similarities between those under each sign, and I examined their characteristics very carefully. What I found was that there are two types of people that share the same sign. And to prove that I wasn’t fooling myself I made it my business to attempt to guess people’s signs from their facial features. To be honest, it wasn’t a complete success. But there were times when my getting it right was more than just coincidence or plain luck, such as the time when I guessed that a work colleague was a Cancer merely from his smile, or that a waitress was a Leo from her eyes. Some people can be said to be typical of their sign, such as the lead singer from Aerosmith. When I saw his face I was convinced he was a fire sign because his complexion looked as though it was burning. And I was right. But it isn’t always that straight forward. Though some are typical of their sign, others aren’t. And if you’re going to take a group of people of the same sign and try to find some similarity between them, the chances are you won’t, because no one person is the same as another in astrology. The similarities are only slight. Certainly you can say that a Virgo is fussy and meticulous. But you can’t say that all Virgos are fussy and meticulous. Some are fussier and more meticulous than others. If life was as black and white as some of us choose to see it, a Virgo would indeed be a Virgo, and a Leo would be a Leo. But there are some Virgos that are more like Geminis because they have Gemini Rising, and there are some Leos that are more like Virgos because they have Virgo Rising. There are even some Virgos that aren’t like Virgos at all because they have the Moon in Pisces, Mercury in Gemini, Mars in Sagittarius and Venus in Aries to account for their dispositions. My point is, it is futile trying to determine the accuracy of astrology through the characteristics of a group of people of the same sign. No one is born at the same time, and the planets are constantly moving, both of which have a bearing on an individual’s personality according to astrology. As for the information Billy has given concerning this subject, I think he did state somewhere that our understanding of astrology is far from complete, and that accuracy demands more than simply giving one’s time of birth. Astrology needs to be understood through the study of astrology. The scientists who chose to do this pointless exercise it seems to me were more determined to defraud astrology than understand it. | |||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 03-2003 |
No Howard, it means those scientists you speak of FAILED to take into consideration to study only those children who where born together at the exact same time, date and second. Even location of birth is a factor. Let's see now, that should mean many day's in a month and many seconds in a day. Add that to many locations on Earth as to were one can be born and then you have an unlimited number of personalities for each individual births within the same astrological sign. Now that would make Billy's information TRUE! | |||
Jay Member Post Number: 212 Registered: 01-2002 |
Truthseeker & Howard, ALL Spirit-forms are different in their evolutionary development, therefore Astrology is a useless medium which has been twisted throughout the ages and does not represent the personalities within the spirit-form in its accuracy. Saalome and BE WELL | |||
Edward Member Post Number: 344 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Howard, James and Jay... I really would Not take that "Mass" Study of Astrology so serious! Those type of research are mostly just like what is done in "Gossip" magazines and the like. Ofcourse...Astrology is Not accurate to the points. It is Not a Fortune Telling "Calculator"..as many think it is. This is where Jay is correct. Astrology has..in many ways been..Twisted to some degree. What I've learned from people that have studied this for many decades; it is just a "Possibility"...to Calculate...what One may Encounter in One's path of life. No More! So, it lets One know..what one can do, or handle, if a certain situation may occur. So, with every Human Being, of course, having their Own.."Calamities" and the like..they will encounter. As James mentioned, "the exact same time, date and second. Even location of birth is a factor. Let's see now, that should mean many day's in a month and many seconds in a day. Add that to many locations on Earth as to were one can be born..." IS...Very Important Data. So that Mass-Study...is just "Bogus" compared to a "Personal" chart being calculated. It takes Time and very much Accurate calculations to make a good and True Astrology chart of someone. Do not fall for that Mass-Study! I remember Billy describing it also in the manner I did above. But in his own words..ofcourse. Even though he may not have that much interest in Astrology. Edward. | |||
David_chance Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 03-2003 |
I seem to remember in the contact notes that a person's time of birth is from when the skullcap/head exits the womb, rather than when the body is completely exited, thus persons "borned at the exact time" (as measured by earthly scientists) is not completely accurate data since the points of measurement are different. | |||
Edward Member Post Number: 345 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi David... Yes, what you have mentioned is very correct. I remember that also. That would indeed...make a Big difference! Thus, should be taken in good consideration. Edward. | |||
Howard Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 05-2003 |
Hi, I remember from the artcle, that is found www.telegraph.co.uk, that some of them were born at nearly the exact time, and probably many of them were in the same places, since they studied so many. Billy said that one can recon his personal characteristics by finding out when he was borned, and i dont think he had the right time or location eitherway. Thats impossible for him to know. At least the time and second, I believe. At least some of the characteristics should be at least at some extent the same characteristics. It proves astrologers are fake, and dont know what personal characteristics one can have. Billy in the question area recommended a book of an astrologer, and I dont think she cared about the time and second. The second! How can one know that? | |||
Jay Member Post Number: 213 Registered: 01-2002 |
Hi All, When we have become more in tuned with our Spirit-form through higher development is when the time comes for us to even go back and remember former incarnations. The idea behind all of this is to tap in the the logs of creation for past or future information. The time travel technologies used by the PLEJARANS is one spiritual factor of an imense degree of knowledge which eventually we will need to acquire for a better tomorrow. Astrology in the sense that we are using it is totally inaccurate to say the least and false to the point where we are causing more damage to our reality and ourselves throughout the whole planet. These in my opinion are all controlling factors for the population as a whole. To distract us from ourselves is what these things were created. Saalome and BE WELL | |||
Edward Member Post Number: 346 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jay... I would Not Think that it may "causing more damage to our reality and ourselves throughout the whole planet." On the Contrary! See Astrology more as a "Prophecy" Calculator. With a "Prevention" Capability. Ofcourse, I am aware that a Plejaran as Semjase, if I am correct, mentioned for example that she was not One to want to know her future events. Which is her Right, as with any other Living Creature. But for those who wish to want to know...for instance because they are Too Unsure of their own Character etc.. this would indeed help them to cope with Situations or Calamities, and their Own character..when they are encountered. We live in a time that many many people are so Unsure of themselves, thus, this would be of very much help for them to cope with the encountered manifestations and to know themselves, and what they Can do. Of course... Higher evolved beings as the Plejarans and others, surely have no need for these Earthly Oracles. But See Astrology more as a Prophecy Tool, so that One can "Prevent" the worst from happening, whereby One can still Manipulate and Change the Path for the Betterment. Just as One would do...with any Prophecy...if the Possibility...is there..and not let it become a Prediction. Thus make Good Use...of our Freedom to "Correct...and..Perfect" our Path of Life..if and when it is possible. Thus I would see Astrology more as a Good "Adviser". But again, it is how it is utilized. Edward. | |||
Jay Member Post Number: 215 Registered: 01-2002 |
Hi Howard, Adding to the last posting, being born at the exact location/time/vicinity does not account for the spirit-forms evolution or sameness in evolution. Each spirit form contains its own evolutionary level of time. I can be born at a certain time in life and does not mean I am like the spirit-form or in the same level as the spirit-form which Einstein as an example would be. So in the case of Astrology is ALL made up information in general, it has no measurement of a humans personality and spirit. it has no validity. Saalome and BE WELL | |||
Howard Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 05-2003 |
Hi Jay, then what is the point of Astrology? I think most of the things you argumented, was pure non-sense. We are to wait for Billys answer, to get a more clear explanation. A lot of you people seem to be quite disinformed, and with alot of wrong theories. You are completely dependent to Billys answer. Well, well, this is not as important anyway. Nobody can know the evolutionary level for a person, at least the exact level. Then one have to be quite evoluted to have any use of it at all. And also I think, the personality has nothing to do with the spirit, as for each life one are born with a completely NEW personality. And what do you mean with information in general? If you look at the proof that says that Astrology is false, it can not explain nothing at all in general. | |||
Jay Member Post Number: 216 Registered: 01-2002 |
HOWARD: This of course is the case when you add and mix religion with astrology. Predictions as such cannot be taken for face value when it comes to human spirit-forms. Astrology as a tool for finding out CREATIONAL events and things which are to come by creation seems to fit more for what it may be intended. In General as I may state a gain, astrology is totally a joke on top of a joke. IT HAS NO VALIDITY in human terms or at least in our own Human spiritual evolution like everything else it has become hoaxed and polluted with too much "Misinformation". this is the reason and one of the biggest important things the Plejarans have come to us in these mad times we are living to rid of the malicious intents of all these misguided Sciences such that as is Astrology. EDWARD: Yes point well taken on the fact that many human spirits at this time are not guided or sure of themselves. It stands the reason why we as humans are not seeing the value of information which has been given to Billy Meier, we need to spread the news more and more so that things like Astrology and religion in general can be seen as a negative force which is no longer of value to us. To aquire the spirit lessons, the contact information and why the Plejarans are telling us in accurate terms where we come from is more than enough to give the world a chance to see this in a better light instead of following "our" so called astrology. Saalome and BE WELL | |||
Michael Member Post Number: 414 Registered: 10-2000 |
My own experiences regarding astrology contradict your opinions. I have a cousin who is an absolute genius with it. He has helped to find missing people, assist in a legal case (helping the attorney to prevail) and I even saw him find a missing file in my house by doing a hoarary chart. I've had other evidence as well and I can only wonder what a very good astrologer could do with the more precise information that Meier states is missing, i.e. the second of birth. Michael Horn | |||
Edward Member Post Number: 347 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jay.... I know what you mean...and understand your point of view..also. But we must take in account and in to consideration, that "The Mass" has No Acknowledgement, let alone, know.. about "The True Teachings of The Spirit" as told by Jmmanuel and our beloved Billy. Thus, as long as this is the case, Astrology Would...Indeed be a useful tool. Even though, The Mass may be Far from "The True Teachings of The Spirit and Creation", Astrology in turn.. has the ability and Can still bring them Closer to The Stars, Planets, Galaxies... Cosmic/Creational Calculations and so on; thus, Still letting them make Good Acquaintance...with Creation's Body and as Entity..but through another medium...we call Astrology. So this would be a very good medium...for those people to make "Gradual" Acquaintance and Contact with Creations Capabilities...and Creation itself. As Billy once mentioned, something like; that We should...so every now and than look up into our Starry night sky and admire what we see above us. And I fully agree with him; when we look up at our Starry night Sky...we See Creation...at Creation's Best. And that we...should Acknowledge we are part of Creation. As Astrology...is even part of Creation...but through the medium of Human Calculation. What a Great way of bringing us "Closer" to Creation and Creation's Elements...than Through...Astrology. What a Great way for Starters to get Acquainted with Creation. And I must say...Michael has given very good examples of it's Possibilities and Capabilities. This is what I meant as Astrology being a Good "Adviser". Edward. | |||
Jay Member Post Number: 217 Registered: 01-2002 |
Michael, I do agree with the fact that many out there can use Astrology in a well developed manner, what I dont agree or accept is all or most of the inaccuracies of many who claim to use it. Many I do believe are not capable spiritually to access great information. Your cousin who I would feel has a well developed spirit on the other hand if I may say so has good practice in this and I would agree that this is a good stage of development if this is applied to all of us. Astrology has become nothing but a game on all fronts for many and I am sure that there are many who do take it very seriously. Having to find the missing information before birth would be an awsome discovery for all since it will help most in getting proper spiritual development in our lives and hopefully positive feedback would be great if this is possible.  Is only in due time when our spirits here on earth can develop greatly through our incarnations where Astrology will fit in as a great medium on earth. Saalome and BE WELL to ALL 
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Howard Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 05-2003 |
Well, according to Billy, astrology can not say anything about life else than describe the personal character of a person. It seems you on this board constantly are in opposition to Billys teachings and answers, if then you havent got the answers from him. How can you trust Billys teachings when they dont fit in with reality? With Michael I have already noticed two things, the case of your experience with astrology, and the voice you heard telling about some future events that was to become reality. A schizophrenia? Especially, to me, it was a totally ridiciolus answer on the socalled Biblecode. The book of lies? It contains a h*ll of alot predictions and prophesies to read about if it does not bring ones "spiritual reality" into crisis. And by the way, Edward, I enjoy reading your postings "with my spirit".  | |||
Jay Member Post Number: 218 Registered: 01-2002 |
Howard, Opposition to The Plejaran spiritual teachings certainly I will never be. I may be in opposition to some of the things humans do including Billy as well but not hardly either. Surely I do give his spirit-form high respect for the capabilites of an alternative to this planet so far as prophet of the new age and reincarnations which enabled him to continue the GOOD fight. This is more than we ALL can say about other spiritual religions which are rightfuly erroneous in their logic which also includes THE RELIGION OF ASTROLOGY. I can't say much for our so called spiritual leaders for ALL those who may be out there, who have finally put their heads underground for fear of the madness caused here on this earth. Bad enough we had milleniums of chaos amongst the Celestial beings who created partially ALL of this. Saalome and BE WELL to ALL
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Edward Member Post Number: 349 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jay and Howard... This is a question asked to Billy by Michael_d.(Who ever he may be?) Greetings Mr. Meier, "I understand that you regard astrology as a useful discipline for assessing personality/character and for predicting future events when properly applied...." ANSWER Hi Michael, Astrology (the real one) is useful for knowing one's character, or to form one's character, etc. But for predicting the future other means are necessary: probability calculations, preview of the future (Zukunftsschau), etc. Well Howard...you have Not "Studied" Billy's Materials as you should! Please Study the materials "Better" before you give an answer! "YOU ARE NOT USING YOUR 'SPIRIT'....HOWIE!" Jay, I would Not "Define" Astrology as "Religion"! It is Far...from that! I would rather let people make acquaintance with Astrology...Than..our False Religions. Religious people still see the Heavens and Starry Sky as a "Painting"..and somewhere "in-between"...is that So-Called "Heaven"; and still "Believe"..that the World is the Center of the Universe; and No other life-forms what so ever! Whereas, One that is Studying the "Stars"... through Astrology..or even Astronomy...are more in Contact with Creation's Elements...and Creation. Our False Religions lead us even More Astray from the Stars and let us not understand what Great and Significate Role...this has in our daily life. So..for All those "Young" Spirit-forms out there in our world, "Real" Astrology... as it should be called, would be a very good medium for those who are in need for "Advice"; and Gradually...learn their Own Character..and to help form it. For the Betterment of the Character and Personality. Thus "Predicting The Future"...is also mentioned. Thus only needs more Data to further let this come into good use to be Calculated. So Howard...get an Astrology Chart made. Maybe you will even get Good "Advice" in which Direction you should lead your life! Be more "Open Minded"..than you will Learn....More! Edward. | |||
Jay Member Post Number: 220 Registered: 01-2002 |
Edward, This is exactly my point and I should have used the words Billy used which are (THE REAL ONE), lol. which describes the real circumstances of what type of Astrology should be and not this led astray one which has been practiced for many centuries now. I did make the mistake of applying it or connecting it to religion which is my word error in this case but my humaness shows quite well at times. Saalome and BE WELL to ALL
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Jay Member Post Number: 221 Registered: 01-2002 |
Edward, I read some good information on an egyptian gentleman by the name of CHIERO, he has been claimed as being a good Astrologist and one who came before the so called Edgar Cayce. He has seem to be accurate in some or most predictions of certain events in our world, including something which he considers the destruction of New York and of The California area. This very well in some ways coincides well with the San Francisco earthquake mentioned by Billy. I would definitely give some good credit to these people who may have practiced actual gifted Astrology and the likes of it. Saalome and BE WELL to ALL
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Howard Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 05-2003 |
Please Edward, when are you going to stop shouting about this darn spirit-reading? You must suffer from some delusion, you cant read anything with your spirit. I dont care about my (Comment Deleted) spirit when I am reading something, I use my intellect to understand what is written. Simple as that. You must also be living on a delusion/lie if you are considering yourself as such a high-evoluted spirit. As I recall, someone here was saying that the more evolved ones spirit are, the better one are to recognize truth, or the "true Truth" as Billy calls it. And there you fail accepting that there is no single argument that can prove astrology to be of any use, even if it is called "real". I once got an chart made on me on www.astro.com, it might be that this is not considered "real", but to me nothing seemed to be right. I even filled in which minute I was borned. So, astrology has nothing to do with the truth, it relates to strong false belief. Watch it Howard!-Moderator | |||
Pureharmony Member Post Number: 107 Registered: 08-2002 |
I thought i read somewhere that the months were off by one month in astrology, somehow over time they were changed or adjusted somehow, but the original 'science' of ancient Egypt & Sumer was somewhat preserved. So if the signs are off, then readings would be incorrect from what maybe was a working knowledge in ancient times. *pureharmony* | |||
Michael Member Post Number: 417 Registered: 10-2000 |
As an experiemnt, I went to the astrology site that Howard mentioned and entered the information that I recall applied to Billy (Feb. 3, 1937, 11:20 Am, Bulach, Switzerland) that I hope is correct. It was an interesting looking chart, even the design it created: http://www.astro.com/cgi/aclch.cgi?btyp=ack&&cid=o50fileMz4E5i-u1071366674 Michael Horn | |||
Jplagasse Member Post Number: 297 Registered: 09-2000 |
Hi all, A Lively discussion !! My 2 cents on some of this...: Astrology is secondary to our own wills & self determination. NOTHING is master to what we are, over the influence we have on this from "our own selves". If one wishes to quote, the "first bid" would do quite well... probably "others" also. Yes... there are factors from astrology which could be quite interesting if we examine these within a "proper context"... I suspect that some of those using "astrology successfully" so called, might in fact be using "other resources" in combination with astrology?? Just a thought to perhaps watch for... For what it's worth, I do enjoy Howard's participation in all this !! If "controversy" is a factor in our growth, then perhaps Howard is "one of us" !! Salome, JP | |||
Edward Member Post Number: 351 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi HOWIE! Temper...temper....temper! I would agree with the Moderator. Do Not let your "Aggression Gene" take over your "Intellect"! That is Bad... for The Health...and...SPIRIT! And we Do Not use the Language of The Beast here! This surely "Reflects"...your Religion and your Personality which is "Built" upon that. Do Not Blame me...or anyone else that you "Blundered" on our discussion on Astrology. If you had studied it better...this would not have happened. So it was only "You" to blame and No-One here on this discussion board. We've All....been Good Hearted and Good Spirited to you...and Positive. So we've been More...than Good to you. But still..your "Input" has only given me(us) more "Motivation" to explain more of Billy's Facts and Truths. Which is what I(we) Strive to let come into realization. So, it was a Good and Healthy "Exchange" of Opinions, Facts and Truths..which were worth discussing about...I would say. I will close this discussion on this subject from my own side...OK. I've said and explained enough. Pleasant Studying....and May the Force of Creation....Guide you. Edward. | |||
Jay Member Post Number: 230 Registered: 01-2002 |
Michael, I made a visit to that Astro site you gave us and I did a look up of my own birth. Found out some weird results which coincide with my personality but I took great caution not to take it too serious since these seem to be POP UPS which give a whole paragraph about a person; more like generated AUTO paragraphs of some sort. In any event I found it to be quite enjoyable and sometimes scary at the same time. I think the best way to do this is by way of having an actual person (two spirit-forms interacting) so that we can get a sense of who we really are when our Astrological sign is read. Saalome and BE WELL to ALL
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Michael Member Post Number: 418 Registered: 10-2000 |
Jay, Well, we do have Howard to thank for finding that quaint little site. I did my own chart there and it did indeed provide enough interesting info to have made the trip worth while. Regarding the pop-ups, as I understood them, these were explanations of likely charcteristics attributable (astrologically speaking) to the aspects formed by the relationshiips between the different planets. Michael Horn | |||
Jay Member Post Number: 231 Registered: 01-2002 |
Michael, I have noticed that Astrology readings for the most part are pretty much the same for all beings throughout. It seems that once I did a test with someone with very much a different sign or astrology view and I used this information on someone else and told them that this reffered to their own reading and sign (e.i. Libra, Leo, etc. etc.). The person instantaneously mentioned that the reading had many and if not all the right features for their personality. After this I informed the person that the information from the reading was someone else's date and time of birth and they were amazed to see the connection with all personalities of humans. In may the readings are the same pretty much for all humans and all spirit levels wether they were born at the same time or are the same birth dates. Saalome and BE WELL to ALL
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Michael Member Post Number: 419 Registered: 10-2000 |
Jay, What I have seen is that if the astrologer is really good, they can provide some pretty specific information not based only on the sun sign but on all the planets and their aspects to each other. Of course, considering that we are told that most terrestrial astrology is a bit inaccurate, it's remarkable when some of the information is quite specific and correct. Certainly, as you point out, there are those generalizations that can apply to anyone so when it's very precise it's quite interesting. Michael Horn | |||
Jay Member Post Number: 238 Registered: 01-2002 |
Michael, I agree on the specifics of Astrology having some quite specific information. Is a rare thing here on earth now since we need more spiritual evolvement to really pack Astrology once again to become real specific to the last dot for each individual spirit-form. I find it so amazing how the PLEJARANS using special creational symbol technology can accomplish such a good working for finding out a spirit-form's past lives or for that matter accurately fortell the traits of a spirit-form. I would certainly love to get a good understanding of their techniques. So far it seems that the site which Howard pointed out with pop ups gives us the instant information of our Astrology chart. It also points a good concept and a technique used in our new era of Technology for receiving some specifics on each individuals Astrological chart. Saalome and BE WELL to ALL
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Hunter Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2004 |
I have had some charts done by this gentleman and he is very accurate: http://www.asteroids.com | |||
Nickm New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi All, By the way, here's the basis for astrology according to my researchs. As we know, astrology is caused by fine matter radiations coming from planets and stuff. Well, fine matter appear to be what is called here "microvita", tiny lifeform that exist several levels under the subatomic level. It is said theses microvita can for example affect animals glands operations. Of course they can probably do much more since those thing are the cause for matter in the first place. Microvita are like ideas lifeforms, ectoplasms, what ghost are made of for example. So I think those microvita fit pretty much the definiion of fine matter the plejarens are hinting us at don't they? ref: http://www.home.zonnet.nl/microvita/index.htm http://microvita.org/ | |||
Phaethonsfire Moderator Post Number: 294 Registered: 01-2004 |
Nickm, The microvita does not exist, the finematter and spirit-energies dont have a consciousness or an identity, only Creation itself, pure-spiritforms, half-spiritform (Plejaren high counsel) and human spiritforms and the human material consciousness have a conscious evolutionary consciousness. Ectoplasma and Ghosts are just fine-material energies created and highly concentrated by extremely cult-religious people who believe so strongly in ghosts, devils, angels, etc that the fine-material energy is concentrated so densly that it becomes visible and even touchable in the material realm. This is done by their material consciousness and material subconsciousness, and because they are fully unaware of the truth they believe that those ghosts, guardian angels, devils, etc are real and conscious enitities, while they are not. People who undergo this are on the brink of experiencing acute shizophrenia and/or multiple personality disorder. Jakobjn Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | |||
Phaethonsfire Moderator Post Number: 295 Registered: 01-2004 |
Numerology and Astrology have both a "bad" name with the general public as being hocus pocus or fairytale magic, but that is because they dont understand the intrinsic background of both metaphysical sciences. The universe / Creation can be seen as a enormous clockwork, with many kinds of coarse and fine energies working together, much like the components of a normal clock. All those energies can be understood and calculated by the so-called cosmic mathematics, of which numerology and astrology are components. Important with starting anything in life, where it is building a house or getting married or starting a business is making sure that all conditions are in favor of such undertakings. Examples can be found in fishing, when fishermen go out on the sea they must sometimes wait for high tide or just low tide to successfully fish for certain species of fish, the thought behind that is that the circumstances must be right, the same goes for everything else in the Universe. When Creation started its evolution 46 trillion years ago, it was with absolute certainty pre-destined that it will reach its evolutionary goal at the end of this universal waking cycle. The main goal of Creation and of every human spiritform is pre-destined, for Creation it is reaching a higher level of evolution and for the human spiritforms it is reaching perfection and unification with Creation itself. However, HOW and WHICH paths are taken to reach perfection are truly infinite, for both Creation and every human spiritform. Eventhough the clockwork example gives an idea of an absolute predestined Universe, it is not, the free will of every human either in the material and spiritual realm is really endless, however, no spiritform or human will ever be possible to do such things that would undermine the structure of Creation itself. The vast amount of possibilities is infinite, and no spiritform in its entire evolution will ever be able to endevour in all of them, if that would be possible then spiritual evolution would finite and in the end the whole existence and evolution of the BEING-Absolutum would be finite aswell, and that would make the whole existence of all things impossible. Jakobjn Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | |||
Nickm New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 07-2004 |
Ok, thanks for the clarification Jakobjn. I came upon the microvita theory after seeing a website that talks about "orbs" and remembering seing one in a recent picture of mine, along with some "psychic mist". I only noticed them after seing a website that talked about it, I thought it was interesting and that maybe it was what fine matter was about. Apparently it is not, hehe, thanks | |||
Nickm New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 07-2004 |
About this determinism/indeterminism thing, I thing this supposed time-traveler John Titor had a good explanation of it that concord with what Billy said about time-travel. Titor said too that we cannot change the past. According to him, when we travel back in time, we go back to say 1950, and we "create" a new worldline in 1950 that is an almost exact copy of our own. Then in this wordline we can change anything, meet our double or kill our grand parent, all this without affecting our original worldline. Then we can go back to our original worldline "present" where nothing has changed. So the mulitple universe interpretation of quantum physic here seem to be the right one. We are always faced with a choice of multiple future alternatives, at every moment of every second, and then those choices/thoughts are submited to laws which direct us in the appropriate future. The people we meet in our life would then be like other car drivers that drive on the same road and cross us on the highway. Anyway, that's how I think of it for now, it seem to make sense, hehe Saalome, Nick | |||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello Jakobjn, By what mechanism does the number associated with a thing manifest or exhibit its’ qualities? For instance, the number 8 has a negative value. A house with the number 8 will then have a negative value. How does the number 8 pass along negative qualities or attributes to the house and how will the negative qualities or attributes manifest or exhibit themselves through the house? Michael_d May the world be free! | |||
Jplagasse Member Post Number: 323 Registered: 09-2000 |
Hi Michael_d... Through our own minds. If we associate "bad stuff" with any particular number (or any other concept or phenomena), THAT is the medium by which this stuff gets propagated and/or amplified. Our minds are the builder, or that which creates our own "realities". Whether this represents Creation (reality) or fantasy (delusion) is another matter... Now having said this, I'm sure Jakobjn (& others) would have additional or corrective info on this. Just my own thoughts/observations... is all. Regards, JP | |||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello All, Just a thought...one basis for the numbers 1, 3 and 6 having "positive" values might have a correlation with astrology. The zodiac, of course, consists of 360 degrees. The "aspects" formed by planets separated by angles defined by dividing the zodiac by the numbers 1, 3, and 6, respectively, are the "conjunction" (360 degrees), the "trine" (120 degrees) and the "sextile" (60 degrees). Planetary alignments formed by these three aspects are associated with the most positive influences or characteristics. On the other hand, the negative aspects in astrology are the "opposition" (360/2) and the "square" (360/4). Accordingly, the numbers 2 and 4 should have negative values. The number eight would correspond to 360/8 = 45 degrees, which correlates with the "semi-square" aspect. Although considered negative in value, the semi-square is not generally considered as strongly negative as the square or opposition. Like I said, just a thought...perhaps food for additional thoughts. Michael_d | |||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hello This is concerning the day on which we are born. I notice that Billy was born on the same day as Jmmanuel, which was 3rd February. Does anyone know if the same goes for his spirit's other incarnations? And does this mean that the personalities the spirit within myself incarnated into prior to my existence were also born on the same day as I was? Joseph | |||
Norm Member Post Number: 659 Registered: 02-2000 |
Joseph, Billy is a special situation. | |||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 567 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hello, If we are entering the Age of Aquarius and this is considered the Age of the Wattermann or Waterbearer, why is the sign of Aquarius considered to be an "Air" sign instead of "Water"? Maybe I have misunderstood this, but just curious. Thanks anyone? Salome Scott | |||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello Scott, An interpretation applying to nature of the symbolism of the Water Bearer is that he pours forth water to wash away the past and prepare the land for regeneration. Adapted to mankind, he is pouring forth new ideas, knowledge and the truth (all associated with air) which will eradicate the old illogical structures and beliefs of the past. The symbolism of the Water Bearer is taken from the arrangement of the stars in the Constellation Aquarius. The ancients believed they could see the outline of the Water Bearer in this constellation. The glyph representing Aquarius is parallel waves which can be interpreted as waves on the water emanating from the wind and are also associated with many other types of waves such as sound, vibration, high-frequency (radio), etc. It's interesting that many of the new "weapons of mass destruction" prophesized for upcoming wars have their origin in waves (ultrasound, microwave and laser). That would be fitting in the Age of Aquarius. | |||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 91 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi all, can anyone please give me some info or web address where I can do a good and proper astrology natal reading chart? much appreciated. phil | |||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 03-2003 |
Best site I'm aware of is www.astro.com. You need an accurate time of birth in order to get a correct chart of the houses, ascendent, mid-heaven, etc. It's about as good a computer interpretation that's available for free, however, a good astrologer could provide much greater insights. | |||
Dplotmach Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 09-2004 |
"The transistion period from the Age of Pisces to the Age of Aquarius began on: Feb 3, 1844 at 11:20 MEZ" Check out Daniel 8.14. According to an Adventist the end of these 2300 days was supposed to be something about 1843. Maybe the original messsage from "gabriel" was a prediction of the new age of Aquarius? | |||
Barbarotico New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2005 |
The better calendar to practice astrology is the 13 months calendar, And the most perfect calendar of all times is the Mayan calendar. Go to www.tortuga.org and you will see tha incredible calendar. | |||
Zefram Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 08-2005 |
Hi, The mayan calendar says that in the 2012 year will be the beginning of a new era of consciousness, is that true? will be this date the outcoming of the aquarius age?.Thanks Salome, Zefram | |||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 201 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear forum does anyone here have a comprehensive information that doesn't veer too much from billy's information about which astrologer or astrological chart that is reliable for use in determining exactly which set of cosmic forces with its particular effect each day of each month it will bring for the rest of this year? any help is much appreciated thanks | |||
Fireborn New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hello all! My name is Rodrigo and I'm new into the F.I.G.U. discussion boards. I would like to ask the following questions: 1. what is the origin behind the zodiac that most of us are familiar with? 2. what is the meaning of each of the star signs? by the way, this is a great way to interact with one another, considering that everyone has a different points of view and share our ideas through these means. I'd say: Hey! that's great, keep it up! take care, Rodrigo Peace and Truth | |||
Dplotmach Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 09-2004 |
http://www.tagnet.org/anotherviewpoint/Daniel/24.htm Check out this! Daniel probably prophecied the coming of the age of aqarius by the visit/vision of "Gabriel"! Bible-verse Daniel 8:14(1844?) | |||
Dplotmach Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 09-2004 |
Someone on astro.com have written that Eduard Meier was an SS-leader!! He is in the "VIP Astro-Twins"-section. Pure sabotage. Something should be done about it. | |||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 149 Registered: 04-2003 |
Dplotmach, I just added a note to the feedback section of that website about the offensive reference. The site’s owner, Alois Treindl, monitors the feedback section, and hopefully he will take corrective action. | |||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 04-2003 |
Dplotmach, Alois acknowledged the error. They chanaged the description. They are now calling Billy the leader of a UFO sect. Not quite accurate, but I guess it's a little better. | |||
Quantumcorporate11 New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 08-2006 |
Dear Forum: One of the most precise evaluations of the zodiac in general I know of is the "eastern" version. go to www.shellywu.com. She has compiled explanations about elemental and "sun sign" views that are very accurate. Enjoy! Robert S. Cohn c/o Quantum E3 Corporation Subterranean Housing Project quantumcorporate11@gmail.com | |||
Tjames Member Post Number: 195 Registered: 12-2004 |
You have to read what they say about astrology in And yet they fly a book published in 2001, not good things, but it is possible, however, probably not yet because we do not have sensitive enough instruments to detect the cosmic rays to account for minute discrepencies... or maybe we do and we just don't generally apply them. Nevertheless, I checked out that cite and it pretty much described my personality and I'm pretty aware. I wonder how they calculate? I didn't read the whole cite, just the quick analysis. Thanks for the link and Welcome! Tim Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | |||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 06-2006 |
What are the basics of Plejaren Astrology? When the Plejarens astrology is more accurate than Earth Astrology are they refering to Natal, Chinese or Hindu/Vedic astrology? | |||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 257 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Celestialbrother the old lyrans which are the plejaren´s and our ancestors and who lived here in Earth, created the zodiac signs that we know and that have survived through time one of the main reasons of why earth´s astrology is inaccurate is because to make a calculation it is necessary to know the exact time of birth (including seconds), and usually we only know approximations also to make proper calculations one should take in count numerous variables, you can download 10 different computer programs which produce natal charts (which use "exact" formulas and that make numerous corrections) and you will obtain 10 somehow similar but also very different results astrology is a science and as that it must work together with other sciences, in earth it has not been like that, and at some point in time science and all that is "spiritual" went through different paths during centuries astrology become only known in some circles and it was mixed with superstitions and religious ideas, also without all the advances in all other sciences it became stagnated and even lost part of what it was like in all religions, in all forms of astrology (chinese, hindu, aztec, etc) there may be some truths but they are mixed with erroneous concepts, and also it must be said that they will never be exact until the calculations are correct the human personality is very complex and it cannot be simplified in the way the horoscopes in the papers or in tv do, that is mainly charlatanry and desire for profit, a good astrologer (or a good computer program) may tell many things about yourself but it will never be 100% accurate very probably the basics of plejaren astrology are the same than ours, but it must be much more exact, with other signs corresponding to the planets, stars, constellations, etc of their home world and without superstitions take care | |||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hello Memo00, actually to my knowledge Vedic astrology is very accurate, much more than Natal. I think it is the best in the earth and still is not completely learned by any. | |||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 03-2003 |
Interesting that WWIII is only a prophecy, yet the month in which it starts is stated pretty definitively (November). I don’t mean to be alarmist, but here’s what an astrologer says about the month of November 2006. November is a very bad month; Saturn makes a square to Sun, and Saturn also makes a square to Earth during November. In November, essentially every day has at least one major bad Clash and most days have several very bad Clashes. Of course Saturn is the planet that rules war, and Billy Meier doesn’t think much of astrology other than for interpreting the qualities of one's character (not much good for predictive use). | |||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 136 Registered: 03-2003 |
Correction: Mars rules war. Saturn rules restriction, limitation, discipline, etc. | |||
String New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2006 |
Hi spaceman i agree with you, "the vedic astrology is very accurate", and if want to learn more then visit "www.vedicastro.com". | |||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 06-2006 |
String, I haven't studied Jyotisha (hindu astrology), but I have only heard and also saw it once on a discovery documentary that it is 98% of the time correct, I haven't tested it myself. It is possible that the Plejaren astrology is better, after all they are an advanced civilisation. But, my question is when Plejarens said that their astrology is more accurate that 'Earth' Astrology what did they mean Natal, Chinese, Vedic..? Beause, even in India astrologers ask for your time (exact time) of birth, place of birth, day etc. Not just your zodiac sign or anything that common among people. | |||
Meltoff New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2006 |
Hi Spaceman i dont think Plejaren's astrology is very accurate because Earth's astrology is based on the 9 planet but and in the Plejaren's planet I dont think their is 9 planet like Earth.And Spaceman and other member if you have doubt then copy and paste following link www.webonautics.com/mythology/navagraha
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Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 242 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey does anyone know what significance earth, jupiter and saturn have with one anotther in astrology, perhaps when they are alligned in whatever way? can they arrange themselvs in a fairly even triangle shape? anything on the relation between those three would be helpful. | |||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello Peter, Western (tropical) astrology as practiced today is geocentric or earth centered. Geocentric astrology is a view or charting of the solar system as seen from the perspective of the earth. Technically in this system, the relationship between Saturn, Jupiter and the Earth is always be forming a triangle except when Saturn and Jupiter are conjunct (no angle between them) or when they are in opposition (180 degrees between them). In astrology, different angular relationships (aspects) between the planets represent different “potentials”. The more significant ones are 0 degrees (conjunction, positive), 60 degrees (sextile, moderately positive), 90 degrees (square, negative), 120 degrees (trine, very positive) and 180 degrees (opposition, negative). So different potentials would be represented by Saturn sextile Jupiter, Saturn square Jupiter, Saturn Trine Jupiter, etc. You should be able to find the meanings of the various aspects by googling them. The potentials of the aspects are also modified by the zodiac sign the planets are in and by the house they are in. Here is a sample chart prepared for Friday, December 8, 2006 at 12:01 am in Chicago, IL. If you take a little time to study it, you can see the planets Saturn and Jupiter, the degree of the signs they are in, and the houses they are in (numbered 1-12). You can also calculate the angular relationship between them. Remember, the Earth is always at the center of the chart. Astro.com is a good site for preparing free charts.  | |||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 06-2006 |
Meltoff, Firstly we don't know anything about Plejaren astrology, so how can we say it is less accurate than Vedic Astrology? I am sure it is very advanced. But, of course even Vedic Astrology is accurate, I have heard and read this in many places. I don't know if Billy has much interest in Astrology, perhaps he could ask the Plejarens about information on their astrology? | |||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 243 Registered: 01-2004 |
thanks for that micheal d, so waht would it mean if jupiter was in the taurus sign and saturn was in the gemini sign? (with jupiter leaning more to the right of the taurus space, and saturn more in the middle of the gemini sign)(basically making a very equal sided triangle between earth jupiter and saturn) roughly what can you tell me about that? do the planets moons play any roles? thanks | |||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello Peter, The astrological aspects (major) that are considered meaningful are the ones formed when two planets are separated by an angle corresponding to 360 degrees divided by the whole numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 6. Minor aspects are defined by angles corresponding to 360 degrees divided by 5, 7, 8 & 9. What you describe sounds like Jupiter and Saturn separated by something like 45 degrees, which would correspond to a minor aspect (360 divided by 8 = 45 degrees) called the semi-square. You won’t find much information on the Jupiter-Saturn semi-square; most astrologers would say it’s similar to the Jupiter-Saturn square, but much weaker in effect. So here’s what a reputable book says about the Jupiter-Saturn square Planets in Aspect; Robert Pelletier. Note: This description assumes we are analyzing a natal chart so the description will relate to the character of the person whose chart is being analyzed. Jupiter Square Saturn The square from Jupiter to Saturn indicates problems in self-awareness. You tend to put yourself down when you compare your capabilities to the skills of other people. The fact is, you are trying to avoid your responsibilities to yourself and to those persons who depend on you. Parental influence played an important role in your lack of self-esteem; your early conditioning led you to believe that you were less competent than others and that you had to yield to those who were “obviously” more talented. Now your actions show that you lack the courage to persist in spite of adversity. You feel you don’t have the right to expect anything worthwhile for yourself. You have little hope for success, but this is just lazy self-indulgence and is inexcusable. Stop making comparisons with other people’s accomplishments; you have you own. You have a vast storehouse of information with which to gain your objectives, but you must formulate them yourself. Once you’ve established goals, prepare a program for achieving them, and adhere to it. Try to focus on one thing at a time and direct all your resources and energy toward that. Stop making excuses for yourself and realize that only hard work will pay you any dividends. You could become successful in such fields as law, education, physical therapy, or the ministry. The demands of these occupations may tax your endurance and cause periodic setbacks, but you must persist with great determination. It is important for you to be able to look back with satisfaction on occasional successes and realize you are capable of much more. You will encounter resistance from superiors, and you may have to endure many indignities for the sake of job security. Acquiring the credentials that attest to your competence will mark a milestone in your development. You will have to learn the hard way that accomplishment comes from a lot of hardship and self-denial. There is no easy road to victory for you. Don’t make any agreements that you can’t fulfill and don’t sign any contracts that go beyond the limits of your abilities. Give yourself the opportunity to reach your goals. Yours is a bittersweet destiny with many highs and lows, progress and reversals, but you will always move toward realization and fulfillment. Faith is your greatest ally when nothing else seems to work for you. It can sustain you through your most difficult periods and comfort you when you reach your goals with assurance that you have done your job well. Here are some descriptions that might give you additional insight. They come from the book The New A to Z Horoscope Maker & Delineator by Llewellyn George. Jupiter Jupiter rules benevolence, expansion, optimism and confidence in the meaning and purpose of life. Jupiter is hot, moist, moderate and temperate. It governs the blood, liver and thighs. It rules reason and judgment. Being a benefic, its tendency is towards opulence and success and is called the “greater fortune”. Jupiter rules promotion, growth, joviality, reasoning, calculation, philosophy. Saturn Saturn rules solidification, discrimination, reserve, delay, sorrow and the sense of hearing. Saturn is cold, hard, earthly, masculine and malefic. It governs the bones generally, knees and spleen particularly. It is grave, cautious and binding. Saturn rules form and organization. It is contractive, cohesive, adhesive, cooling and sustaining. Squares Squares produce a “fight” between planets, with each one wanting to control or direct the behavior of the other. There is always a feeling that something is right and something else is wrong. The expression of each planet is in conflict with the other. The way to resolve this conflict is to accept each planetary force on its own ground as a valid statement in and of itself and to allow the conflict to continue, if necessary, but without taking sides. Here is some information about the planets in the signs: Jupiter in Taurus Jupiter in Taurus gives love of justice. The nature is affectionate and generous, peaceful, reserved and firm. Has great love for home and not much given to change. Seldom travels except for definite purposes such as relate to health, business or learning. A patron of philanthropic movements and philosophy; fixed in religion and views generally. This location is favorable for benefit through the opposite sex, sociability, church, philosophy and matters connected with the higher attributes of the mind. Also for the things signified by the sign Taurus and ninth house affairs. If other testimonies in the chart permit, it tends to gain through gifts and legacies, investments, speculation, children, young people, marriage and partnership. If Jupiter is afflicted there will be losses through these things. Saturn in Gemini An observant, ingenious nature. Ability for scientific occupation in connection with literature, mathematics, etc. Adaptable and resourceful. Trouble and sorrow through relatives. Unfortunate legal affairs. Liable to false accusation, restraint or limitation through some of the kindred or neighbors. Interest in current and advanced thought, ability for profound intellectual attainments. Peter, if you have data for the birth time and place of the person or event in question, you might want to go to astro.com and prepare a free chart. They also offer some free chart interpretations. But by having an accurate chart, you can do all the analysis you want from readily available books. | |||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 244 Registered: 01-2004 |
thanks michael d, i will look into astro dot com. i am just slowly getting into astrology. my friend tells me i should go see a professional one after he did my natal chart, but he was no expert (according to himself). but i would'nt know where to find a good one in my town. so i'll just learn bit b y bit i guess. |
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